Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[Fro99er]

Everything MBG has done is scummy

[Fro99er]

if mbg is scum - who is his partner?

sheep

[Fro99er]

Why does Sheep push a massclaim that he knows will out his partner?

idk...fair point

[Fro99er]

Frogger, and LUV scum

nope

[Fro99er]

Fro99er I'm not getting the impression that you've seriously thought through the majority of the stuff you're pushing and yet you're pushing it like you have a guilty.

RC it's obvious he's been doing this all of day 2. He's saying anything and everything to try and paint me as scum.

because you are obviously scum

[Fro99er]

I've done a shit ton of legwork to show it.

I'm less positive on his partner. But I know MBG is scum.

[Fro99er]

Why are you confident he is scum and why are you shoving a claimed JK lynch down our throats?

I just explained this to you like 2 pages ago

[Fro99er]

Fro99er last time I remember you being this certain on something you were mason and powerlynching someone who had called out all 3 remaining scum.

I wasn't certain at all in that mason game. I was all over the place.

[Fro99er]

LUV's claimed actions jive with his day play.

Matt's don't.

[Fro99er]

hmm

UNVOTE:

i'm actually going to redo my vca with uzi as scum

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: VCA with only confirmed + me town + uzi scum

1.1

[L-6]

Alisae

-

gerryoat

[L-5]

Grendel - Keyser Söze, mattblackguy

[L-6]

Akarin -

Rautherdir

[L-4]

Rautherdir

-

Vifam

,

Alisae

, Transcend

[L-7]

gerryoat

-

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks

-

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Soumil07 -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-7]

Vifam

-

[L-5]

mattblackguy -

RadiantCowbells

,

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

JarJarDrinks

I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.

[L-2]

mattblackguy -

RadiantCowbells

,

Vifam

, Keyser Söze,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Transcend

Done. This was its peak.

1.2

[L-7]

Alisae

-

[L-4]

Grendel - Keyser Söze, mattblackguy, Cooperative Sheep

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir

-

Vifam

, Transcend

[L-5]

gerryoat

-

RadiantCowbells

,

Alisae

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks

-

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-7]

Vifam

-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

JarJarDrinks

,

1.3

[L-7]

Alisae

-

[L-5]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

- Transcend

[L-4]

gerryoat

-

RadiantCowbells

,

Alisae

, Grendel

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks

-

Vifam

, mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-6]

Transcend -

Rautherdir

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam

-

gerryoat

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells

-

1.4

[L-7]

Alisae

-

[L-5]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir

-

[L-2]

gerryoat

-

RadiantCowbells

,

Alisae

, Grendel,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Transcend

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks

-

Vifam

, mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam

-

gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells

-

1.5 (FINAL)

[L-7]

Alisae

-

[L-6]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir

-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

gerryoat

-

RadiantCowbells

,

Alisae

, Grendel,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Transcend,

JarJarDrinks

,

Vifam

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks

- mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam

-

gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells

-

2.1

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

-

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks

-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-5]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep

[L-5]

Cooperative Sheep - Transcend

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam

- Grendel

[L-3]

mattblackguy -

RadiantCowbells

, Keyser Söze,

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-4]

RadiantCowbells

-

JarJarDrinks

, mattblackguy

2.2

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-5]

Akarin - Vifam

[L-4]

Rautherdir

-

RadiantCowbells

, Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks

-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-3]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,

Rautherdir

,

JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-5]

Vifam

- Akarin

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze,

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells

- mattblackguy

2.3

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir

- Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks

-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,

Rautherdir

,

JarJarDrinks

,

Vifam

,

RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-4]

Vifam

- Akarin, mattblackguy

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze,

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

2.4

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

-

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks

-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert

-

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,

Rautherdir

,

JarJarDrinks

,

Vifam

,

RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-3]

Vifam

- Akarin, mattblackguy, Transcend

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze,

Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

2.5

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

-

[L-4]

JarJarDrinks

- Akarin,

RadiantCowbells

[L-5]

Lil Uzi Vert

- mattblackguy

[L-5]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam

-

[L-5]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells

- nancy

2.6

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

-

[L-1]

JarJarDrinks

- Akarin, nancy, Grendel,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert

- mattblackguy, Keyser Söze,

RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep,

JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er

-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

2.7

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

JarJarDrinks

- Akarin, Grendel,

Lil Uzi Vert

, nancy,

Rautherdir

,

Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert

- mattblackguy, Keyser Söze,

RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep,

JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er

-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

MBG would be conftown if uzi is scum, and keyser would nearly be conftown for the wagon on uzi while jar was being lynched. I don't see scum bussing their other buddy while their first buddy was getting lynched. Then it's down to Akarin/ThinkBig, Grendel, Nancy

I really don't think it's Akarin/ThinkBig, especially for the way ThinkBig reacted to Uzi's claim...although it could be a fake dumb slip by ThinkBig, so I'm not ruling it out.

Grendel and Nancy I'll have to look more into if Uzi is scum.

[Fro99er]

The other issue i'm having with scum!Uzi is, why wouldn't he just fakeclaim VT if he really was scum motion detector. I think his claim is probably town

[Fro99er]

That was the coolest thought process I've ever seen.

I mean it.

[Fro99er]

RC who do you think would be MBG's partner?

I can pretty much rule out Uzi, Keyser, and Grendel

[Fro99er]

Keyser, End of day 1 you were a townlean for me. I didn't read over your ISO more until after Vifam said you were a strong townread. And when I said you could be scum because you didn't try to counter Gerry wagon by creating a wagon of one of your scumreads (after the Grendel wagon collapsed), it was what I was honestly thinking at the time. I can see scum motivation in saying you don't agree with a lynch on a townie, but not trying to counter it with a different wagon because you don't care if the townie gets lynched. The fact that day 1 ended in 2 days though makes all of this meaningless because I will never know if you would eventually try to start a counter wagon. This is why I didn't push you for this reason, because after I said that I understood the day was too short for this to be a substantive read. I understand why you are saying my read on you was bad, but I don't understand why you keep pushing me on that bad read.

[Fro99er]

Oh wait that was 2298 before your questions in 2308

No he didn't follow up on your questions in 2308 yet

[Fro99er]

but every fiber in my gut is telling me something's wrong with the gamestate.

I know it's your gut, but do have an idea of what direction that's in (PR claims, MBG not having a viable partner, something else?)

[Fro99er]

Of who?

Rauth and MBG?

[Fro99er]

Probably MBG because of how Rauth reacted to your "something with Cop in it" claim from D1 and how they reacted to clearing you at the start of D2 (not wanting to out the inno)

As far as setup spec, I'd say either is possible. A backup Cop isn't seen often, because it's pretty powerful to have a cop and a backup, but it's less powerful with a scum roleblocker/jailkeeper.

But so is town cop and town jailkeeper. It's a play on Cop/doctor, but negates the Cop power if the JK targets the cop. Scum would still need its own roleblocker as it does in Cop/doc setups, or at least some power to override the protection of a cop.

[Fro99er]

I see what you're getting at though.

Cop backup Cop is really powerful because scum now have to kill them both, and if scum lose their JK early it's basically broken without a second scum power to negate the Cop ability.

[Fro99er]

And scum motion detector isn't enough to negate Cop/backup Cop/BP/JK

Scum would have to have a RB'er.

Alternatively. A scum Jailer plus a second ability that can negate a cop is enough to stop Cop/backup Cop. So if Matt is scum they are halfway there.

[Fro99er]

I question in what universe a cop with an inno says 'barring a very good argument for lynching RC'

Great point, especially because godfather isn't allowed in nornals now

[Fro99er]

Indeed, the pansy Normal review committee has decided to make Godfathers non-Normal because it involves moderators giving inaccurate information to players. Weenies. GF used to be normal, and I consider it a fairly integral part of balancing Cops and other robust investigators.

Consider this mod-confirmation that the game qualifies as Normal, despite the thematics.

Do we remember why post he posted this.

Like who was this in response to

[Fro99er]

*ehy Pije posted this

[Fro99er]

FML

*Why Pine posted this

[Fro99er]

Although the way d2 ended I really don't think Rauth bussed Jar

[Fro99er]

Rauth could have delayed even further for Akarin to post to delay the Jar lynch, but didn't. He went ahead and voted to put Jar at L-1.

I think Occam's razor also points to town!Rauth

[Fro99er]

So really it comes down to LUV vs Matt for me, and a scum motion detector just isn't enough to negate Cop/Backup Cop/BP/JK

And scum!Uzi probably just claims VT instead of yet another investigative that is pretty weak in its ability to do much for town or scum.

[Fro99er]

I really really think matt is scum.

I tried considering the alternatives. This isn't confbias

[Fro99er]

I didn't like that post either mostly because you felt the need to tell us you were gonna vote someone in RVS, which feels like a newbscum or newbtown thing, I haven't really figured it out yet

Let me just put it this way: This is my second game. The only game I have played so far besides this game was a Newbie which Grendel was in.

This would be some awfully sick newbie gambit to fakeclaim Backup Cop

Or an even sicker gambit to pretend to be a newbie without knowing ahead of time that there would be the possibility to pull off this gambit

[Fro99er]

Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.

RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

How come neither of you (or at least Vifam) is affected by the cop claim as far as assessing a TvS theory setup?
I would think that would tend to sharply affect your value call if you were pretty sure at least one, but not both players were scum.

That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not.

This fits a newbie backup Cop mondset

[Fro99er]

I think either you or RC is scum. I have said that before. I'd rather lynch you before RC because of RC's claim.

[Fro99er]

^was at gerry

[Fro99er]

Posting to say a few things:
I can't access a computer right now.
Gerry's reaction to RC's claim now makes sense.
I also now believe RC is town.
Transcend, Vifam, you didn't even let Akarin post. I mean seriously, you could have at least waited a day or so at L-1 to get a claim from Gerry.

I'm narrowing down my lynch pool to Transcend and Vifam today, barring an extremely good argument for lynching RC.

This is the reaction of a town backup Cop starting D2

[Fro99er]

I'm quite certain this isn't an incredible newbie gambit or a pro gambit by a guy pretending to be a newbie.

[Fro99er]

Town!Rauth makes the most sense.

Especially how they approached the Jar lynch

[Fro99er]

So really it's still MBG/Uzi, and in that case I still go with MBG because scum HAVE to have a way to negate the cops and a motion detector is not a claim scum!Uzi would have made

[Fro99er]

Also RC.

Since you're confident you were shot, it points to scum having a blocking role. Otherwise without a blocking role they shoot the claimed backup cop

[Fro99er]

I strongly believe MBG is scum. Not just from the claim stuff but also from his play.

The question is do we leash his JK, or lynch him today.

[Fro99er]

Again. That would require a pretty sophisticated gambit from a newbie player.

It also doesn't explain his behavior around Jar.

It also doesn't explain the scum motivation behind clearing town!RC while RC was under heat for the fake claim (unless Rauth and RC are scum together, but Ibreally don't think RC's paranoia about Rauth scum is scum Thayer between them, given they could have had any number of lynches today already).

[Fro99er]

There's no way Rauth is scum.

I'm willing to stake the game on it.

I've tried fleshing it out and I can't come to a world where Rauth is scum.

[Fro99er]

scum Rauth wouldn't clear a town RC there. No way.

[Fro99er]

Scum would love for an RC mislynch to go theough

[Fro99er]

That's why Jar pushed it.

And remember, scum have daytalk.

There's NO WAY Jar pushes RC like that and that scum coach a scum!Rauth to take the heat off RC.

No no no

[Fro99er]

lol rc is never getting lynched gtfo

I never said he is.

What are you talking about?

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Rautherdir

Why would Rautherdir as backup cop be at all confused if I claimed cop?

He's a newbie.

I think he might not know that there can't be godfathers in this setup. It's his first normal game ever.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Rautherdir

Why would Rautherdir as backup cop be at all confused if I claimed cop?

Because you claimed "a role with the word cop in it"

Not cop

[Fro99er]

YES NANCY EXACTLY

good thing is, I can rule out Nancy as scum with MBG now

[Fro99er]

So it's MBG plus either sheep or Akarin/Thinkbig slot

[Fro99er]

lol nice

how?

I don't see scum motivation for you defending Rauth here for an MBG lynch.

[Fro99er]

Especially because if MBG is scum we win anyway.

Because MBG cannot be scum with myself, Keyser, Uzi, or grendel

Scum know a scum!MBG lynch means game over

[Fro99er]

oh i have some dastardly ways about me tho you NEVER KNOW

pedit aw

Yeah i really do know though.

[Fro99er]

This is so dumb

[Fro99er]

VOTE: MBG

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

Mod replace me

[Fro99er]

Fine I'll stay

This is so frustrating

[Fro99er]

I am so sick of how hard it is to lynch obvscum on this site.

I say here and played RC's little game just to appease him.

[Fro99er]

*sat here

I went and looked at Rauth, at Uzi, at whoever the f he told me to look at.

It's all coming back to MBG

I'm sorry if y'all don't see it. that's not my fault

[Fro99er]

VOTE: MBG

Not moving my vote.

I'll just be prod dodging from here until a lynch happens

[Fro99er]

No it wasn't.

Thinking replaced in at post 2300 something

Pine posted that at post 2011

[Fro99er]

It doesn't really make sense that his first reaction to Gerrys flip is that RC was reaction testing. Like shouldn't he have considered that RC was scum that got caught fakeclaiming? Especially considering that he soon starting pushing RC-scum soon after.

RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.

What does this even mean? You're scumreading RC, but if RC is town, Matt is definitely scum, even though you're townreading Matt? And you have a problem with Transcend suspecting scum Matt but town RC, but your argument here is basically an argument for scum Matt, town RC?

Why should Town RC imply scum Matt?

Question JJD: if you can conceive of either of our slots being town and the either scum, then why can't you conceive of both of our slots being town?

Like if either one of our interactions could have been TvS there's no reason why they couldn't have both been and the whole situation being TvT.

I mean I don't think it's impossible for you both to be town. I just think it's ridiculous that transcend can rule BOTH of you out as scum.

That's not the argument you made though.

So why is that a ridiculous read from Transcend?

The statement from Matt is scummy regardless. I've already said that the statement could come from scum matt even if RC is scum as well. But it makes way more sense for scum matt to make it about town RC.

And as I said later, It's not impossible for for them both to be town. My statement was directed @ trans and how terrible it was for him to be townreading the both of them.

Yeah, I can see why Matt's post is scummy, but that's not what I'm asking. You said later they could both be town. But exactly as you just said, you think it was terrible for Transcend to be townreading both of them. Which means you think that if RC is town, Matt should be more likely than average to be scum.

But nothing you've said explains that. Why do you think that?

Yes, that's an argument for scum Matt.

If RC flips scum, does that make Matt's response is townier?

Yes, a little bit.

Why?

You keep hedging and repeating yourself without really explaining your logic.

Nancy I'm not sold thinkbig is the partner.

Do you think this was a bus by that slot?

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

By way of summary what was the nature of your scum-read of Transcend?

Already kinda answered this

It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.

So considering his play was anti-town and I know he's capable of much better, I lean scum on him.

So basically my vote was mainly to attempt to motivate him to start posting real content and if he didn't, I would have been happy to lynch him.

Looks like the replacement is already redeeming the slot w/ a vote on RC.


VOTE: RC

You're not actually answering the question. You weren't policy voting him, but you know he's capable of more, so you have a scum read on him and are voting for him, but didn't really want to lynch him and were just voting him to motivate him and would have moved your vote if he posted more and the replacement is town because they're trying?

That sounds exactly like a policy vote that you don't want to admit is a policy vote.

More

[Fro99er]

Akarin

- slight scumlean. I feel like a lot of her questions directed @ me are designed to get me to scumread Matt and/or townread RC. Agree w/ her vif and rauth reads though.

I wasn't trying to get you to scumread Matt. I was pointing out that your reasoning doesn't make sense. You basically logic yourself into having a scumread on Matt, but then don't actually have one, and now are scumreading me for "trying to get you to have a scumread on Matt."

I'm pointing out that by your logic, you already

should

have a scumread on Matt, but you don't, you think Matt is town and RC is scum. And regardless of Matt, who honestly I'm not sure how I feel about,

that

is scummy.

It's not real logic, it's convenient reads and then logic made up to support them.

In the meantime
VOTE: JarJarDrinks

I'm still happy with a Vifam or Rautherdir lynch, but I think I'm feeling this more right now.

More

[Fro99er]

I disagree

[Fro99er]

This reeks of one of the games where I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

[Fro99er]

This reeks of one of the games where I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

EBWOP

[Fro99er]

Matt showed up at an awfully convenient time

#JustSayin

[Fro99er]

LUV
{Frogger,Sheep}

why do you have sheep in there?

[Fro99er]

what specific reasons do you have for scumreading sheep, Matt?

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

I want matt to answer his reasons for scumreading sheep before we vote him

[Fro99er]

oh I think matt is scum. I just want his reasons

[Fro99er]

No it would be better to lynch scum here.

Answer my question

why are you putting sheep in your lynchpool? Are you scumreading him?

[Fro99er]

someone else ask matt the question. He's being 100% anti-town by refusing to answer me just because he's "scum reading" me.

[Fro99er]

If we lynch in VT. It's sheep or frogger

WHY IS IT SHEEP IF ITS NOT ME

[Fro99er]

I DID READ IT

EXPLAIN WHY. LIKE I'M FIVE YEARS OLD

[Fro99er]

The only reason I'm suspect of Sheep is because of the people he chooses to push. He only has pushed people that I'm townreading so far, and his push on Transcend/Nancy reminds me a little of RC's push on Creature in my first game.

This is all I could find with a CTRL+F of the word "sheep" and that was over a thousand posts ago

[Fro99er]

VOTE: MBG

refusal to answer is a scumclaim. he doesn't want to point out he has a really shitty shallow reason for putting sheep in the scum pool.

[Fro99er]

lol

[Fro99er]

this game

[Fro99er]

I mean

it's mbg+ either thinkbig or sheep.

pretty obviously. third option is nancy. No way I double bus and I can rule out Grendel, uzi, and keyser if MBG flips scum.

So if MBG flips scum we have it in the bag, as nancy said.

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i mean if i'm wrong i'll eat humble pie and u guys can laugh at me and all good fun but i'm not rofl

and I say the same for sheep

at least I called MBG+Jar on replace in

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Keyser is my hero this game

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Keyser that should be obvious.

We can't have those 5 town PRs unless site meta has changed to make town OP. It's unlikely Rauth is scum, and so it's either Uzi or MBG. By POE from Uzi's POV it's MBG.

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Oh, Matt's avoiding the question from keyser, who is a town read of Matt's

I'm shocked.

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TB[/v]

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TB[/v]

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motherfucker

VOTE: TB

I need sleep

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I think Nancy is right.

MBG+TB

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prodge

i'll try to post tonight, might be tomorrow. I work in NASCAR analytics so this weekend is our super bowl.

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ew nascar

I would make a joking replace out joke, but then i'd get in trouble

NASCAR is the best

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VOTE: MBG

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did anyone die yet?

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i'll post real things tomorrow. Daytona 500 today

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hi i'm here. nascar is over. who are we lynching

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Thanks for the summary bb, hella sick so

@Mod, if you haven't seen my site wide message, I'm Limated Access till I feel better.

Two questions regarding the summary.

First off doesn't a back up cop need the original cop to die before they can use their abilities.

If the first question ends up being that both you and RC can use shots, that leads me to believe MBG is a scum!blocker.

What's really fucking confusing is how there was no kill tonight and you were blocked by MBG?

Woooo!! HI GIN!!!!

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY *-*

Only slighty miffed you didn't play my game



@RC, were you shot last night? If you were shot, then that's a scum!keeper.

If not, then either MBG successfully blocked a kill or protected whom ever from being killed.


Is there a factor I'm missing here or am I caught up on the current situation, just read a couple pages back and you and Nancy are having a pissing match on what's what

These two posts make it very clear scum is either in MBG or Rauth.

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hi i'm here. nascar is over. who are we lynching

anyone but a pr

unless you like to gamble

in which case rauthedir

I gamble for a living

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RC who do you townread?

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If you don't believe 2 scum were bussing then you have to rule out a ton of pairings and there is 1 scum {mbg, Keyser}.

This is what I've said all along.

There has to be 1 scum in MBG keyser.

I don't think it's keyser.

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(assuming both scum didn't bus)

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VOTE: mbg

Can't remember who I'm voting but if we're lynchin in the PRs I'm gonna stick with my read

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^this is terrible

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the vote I mean. It's between you and MBG right now

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I think it's funny both Rauth and MBG are voting me

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Nancy what happened to your "MBG and Think Big are confscum GG I solved it"

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I like lynching my scumreads, regardless of if they are a vt or a pr

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I get the paranoia about LUV RC

I really don't think he makes that claim as scum.

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Let me know when we lynch someone

still voting MBG. nothing new to add

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Whatever

VOTE: Rauth

I don't agree with this

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Yes?

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This game is so dumb

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I have literally zero desire to win this game anymore

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VOTE: Fro99er

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VOTE: Dauth

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VOTE: RC

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VOTE: MBG

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I honestly think people are just trolling now

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@Mod: I'm sorry you have to deal with this

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GUYS, YOU ARE MAKING FROGGER CRANKY

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I haven't bounced around.

I've wanted matt and sheep since I came in.

I'm voting Rauth because this day is stupid

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Oh wait I'm voting mbg

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Waiting for their DOOM - ThinkBig, Keyser Söze, TheRealGin-N-Tonic RadiantCowbells, Grendel

HEY ALL YOU PEOPLE NOT VOTING WE HAVE ONE DAY LEFT

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VOTE: Rauth

still don't like it but IDC at this point

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In the future please announce L-1.

lmao i'm not gonna announce it

I don't care at this point

we have 24 hours left and I literally could care less. A quickhammer here doesn't matter. We've been playing this day phase for 15 days going on 16

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What? Lol Third party?

you just got reaction tested

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You guys really believe he's third party/sk

we'd have to explain 3 missing kills, including 2 on night 2.

y'all are yokels

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fro99er...

Is MGB scum?

You said either him or me MUST be scum.

If Uzi is town, which I believe he is, then yes I believe MBG is scum.

I've said all along I think MBG is scum. I have not differentiated from that.

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Read this game again.
It is so fucking obvious that MBG knew that Rauth wasn't actually roleblocked by him
He was trying to bait out the claim

And look at Coop sheep the likely scumpartner: JK claim comes out and he's immediately like wtf massclaim because he's LOOKING FOR THE COUNTERCLAIM TO HIS SCUMBUDDY.
That's why Coop has been so fucking rattled today because he's been looking for a RBer claim that doesn't exist because of Rautherdir's fakeclaim.

Now MBG in twilight is just flying out with 'OH LOOK IM OBVIOUSLY TOWN CUZ I CCED THE RBER' when it's fucking obvious that's bullshit. and the sketchy af jailkeeper claim.

see I thought both were scum because the claims made no sense but I was wrong it's just MBG and Rauth is actually VT here

Oh so it's MBG+Sheep like I called all along from my replace in

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God if I called Jar+MBG+Sheep from my replace in that would be legend

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VOTE: MBG

for tomorrow

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@Mod: I also request shortened night phase

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This is a legendary game don't fight it

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It's pages like the last few that make me weep for the metagame.

scum reaction

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It's pages like the last few that make me weep for the metagame.

scum reaction

You are so brilliant at reading me that it boggles the mind and almost looks like you can't read me at all.

I fucking nailed you in that other game

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Took you out d1 and then town went on to a perfect win

Don't even try that shit with me sheep

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It's pages like the last few that make me weep for the metagame.

scum reaction

You are so brilliant at reading me that it boggles the mind and almost looks like you can't read me at all.

I fucking nailed you in that other game

I agree that you were accurate there.
You are so inaccurate here and using the same tell logic though, that it proves to me (and will eventually to you) that you actually can't read me for shit.
So trumpet it up, then prepare to justify later. I'll be here.

what tell logic am I using here?

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I'm scum reading you based off your interactions with Jar and MBG

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And VCA

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pagetop

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I've already talked about the interactions. Also Uzi's case on you was another reason

The meta tell is a tiny part of my read on you. But you did the same thing here in that game so it just adds to the case.

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The VCA part of your case is silly, I think the only part that makes sense is the defense I had of Jar, but then you're too dense to notice that Jar was buddying me, not the other way around. So there's that, but you like to scream rather than listen, so la-di-da.

will you stop being a dick

seriously.

I'm not dense. I am a fucking good town player. Stop attacking the player, as pine said.

attack the play, not the player

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Also I expected Fro99er to run into the day phase and go absolutely berserk trying to powerlynch mBG

Sunday = NASCAR

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I'm starting to feel like Fro99er is the last scum which actually makes me kinda irritated

why?

I'm town dude

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Im jailing Frogger tonight

Just letting u know just in case he self hammers.

I can't self hammer myself when there's no votes on me

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Today's Monday.

Shit it's still Sunday for you... Well you win this time I guess.

now it's monday

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VOTE: Gin

Jail me. I'm a VT so I ain't doin shit. Scum can gambit a no-kill and that fake guilties me, but that buy us that extra mislynch with a second lack of a kill, so I don't really care.

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Guess I was wrong on LUV

isn't the first time I've been wrong in my life

just the second.

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That was all predicated on LUV being town. It's all one wrongness.

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If LUV is scum then none of that applies obv

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But I'm glad you care to point out all my wrongs.

You're wrong on me being scum, so we're even.

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Cry me a river

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why do you even care?

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Then, yes. I am.

If you need examples of all my perfect town wins, I'll go show them to you.

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One game where I nail 1 of 3 scum upon replace in doesn't make me bad.

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I know you're not bad. You're just scum this game

Oh, ok.

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Glad you still think that.

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So u base all of ur reads off of one terrible read that had barely anything to suppprt it? I can see if LUV was being super obvious Town but that didn't happen.

I know you're not bad. You're just scum this game

saving this for post game

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MBG -- goes and gives me a hard time for being wrong on a read.

then immediately posts a very very wrong read.

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aww but quickhammers are fun

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...I just really want Fro99er to be town after hard town reading him for so long.

don't worry, your read on me is good

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I REALLY don't think sheep and LUV are a team based off LUV's case on sheep. It wasn't a buddy case

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I fake innoed Coop to see the reactions of Luv/Coop because I've been tying those slots together a lot on recent readings. This kind of reads like how scum!LUV reacts when they know my claim is fake because of the inno.

So you think Sheep pushed a mass claim to get LUV to claim motion detector?

Yeah I don't think so

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UNVOTE:

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I do not want to leave town dealing with conftown Fro99er whereas conftown Cooperative Seeh seems pretty okay.

Why?

You've always said I'm pretty good as town

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@Mod vla until wednesday. I just got stung by a bark scorpion. FML

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I honestly thought scum would NK to frame me given MBG said he was gonna jail me.

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So do you think i'm town now?

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So do you think i'm town now?

Can we just end the game...

I'll take that as reluctantly admitting yes

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I would like to jail Coop and lynch outside of him today.

This makes sense actually

VOTE: ThinkBig

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So let me get this straight u guys want to lynch town today and then jail caught scum again instead of lynching and ending the game.

Am I the only person in this game that can do basic math?

No.

I actually have a Ph.D. In math.

It's possible scum no-killed because I planted it in their mind. If they did then sheep isn't confscum.

If we lynch outside of sheep, and you jail sheep again and we get yet another no-kill we can be 100% certain its sheep barring yet another no kill gambit. But you're right. At some point the no-kill gambits don't work. Doesn't mean they didn't try one. Either way, we win.

(Occam's razor says you're right tho)

VOTE: Sheep

Doesn't really matter

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That's L-1

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@Matt, who did you jail last night?
@RC, who did you track last night?

Most likely reason as to why there was no kill is because the jailkeeper jailed the last remaining scum.

RC who did you track?

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UNVOTE:

RC who did you track and what did you get.

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Lol

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Keeping that to myself for now.

I don't see any good reason to keep this to yourself

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*waits for RC to yell at me*

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UNVOTE:

RC who did you track and what did you get.

Lolwut.

What's the problem

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Oh my god.

We are not going to sit here and drag days to deadline.

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VOTE: RC

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Lololololooololololooolol

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Hahahahahahahahaha

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MATT THIS IS YIKES RVCHANCE

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This is your chance stupid phones

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RC is so easy to tilt lmao

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Oh, ok

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So you don't actually think i'm scum. This is just policy.

I can live with that.

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If you want to fight me here, fro99er, after you've literally been the scum mvp of the game attempting to powerlynch the jailkeeper and hard defending LUV, I'll bring this down to 5 way before we start solving.

BTW this is RC knowing I'm not scum.

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Why else would he be so sure it's going to 5 way?

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I already explained JJD, but that doesn't matter at this point.

I explained obvtown!LUV. I was very clearly wrong. It happens

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But it's pretty clear you know we're going to 5 way

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I wish I had looked at the playerlist before I replaced in.

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Is that your attempt to reintroduce me to the lynchpool?

Sure. If that's what you want it to be

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Just lynch me.

It's already over at this point

I'm so tired of this game and these days dragging out

Here, I'll even re-vote sheep so i can have an actual hope of getting this game over with

VOTE: Sheep

I'll see you guys in 2 RL days

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We aren't lynching Cooperative sheep today. Period. Don't anyone dare hammer.

Gee, I think it could be ThinkBig too

But then MBG says I'm dumb.

So I say then let's vote sheep. Then you say I'm dumb.

So I ask you for your result and you be all dodgy about it (I don't actually think you're scum. I'm just so pissed off at this game dragging out for no reason)

This game is so ridiculous.

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Lol actually

VOTE: ThinkBig

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I'll track Fro99er, you jailkeep Sheep. sounds good?

Sounds good to me.

@Matt, who did you jail last night?
@RC, who did you track last night?

Most likely reason as to why there was no kill is because the jailkeeper jailed the last remaining scum.

VOTE: Cooperative Sheep

Good game all.

Lololololol

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ThinkBig was MORE than happy to go along with a JK of sheep then frame sheep the next day

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Keep in mind sheep boy is scum 90%+ of the time I'm just going to do this properly.

Yeah it's one of those two.

Occam's says sheep. This is scum!frog happy to go along with a quicklynch of ether of the two obv

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If you and MBG are conftown it doesn't matter

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Tier lists are stupid with 2 conftown and 1 scum left

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VOTE: Sheep