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sheepIn post 2549, RadiantCowbells wrote:if mbg is scum - who is his partner?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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idk...fair pointIn post 2553, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why does Sheep push a massclaim that he knows will out his partner?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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nopeIn post 2554, mattblackguy wrote:Frogger, and LUV scum"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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because you are obviously scumIn post 2561, mattblackguy wrote:
RC it's obvious he's been doing this all of day 2. He's saying anything and everything to try and paint me as scum.In post 2558, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fro99er I'm not getting the impression that you've seriously thought through the majority of the stuff you're pushing and yet you're pushing it like you have a guilty."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I just explained this to you like 2 pages agoIn post 2564, ThinkBig wrote:Why are you confident he is scum and why are you shoving a claimed JK lynch down our throats?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I wasn't certain at all in that mason game. I was all over the place.In post 2566, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fro99er last time I remember you being this certain on something you were mason and powerlynching someone who had called out all 3 remaining scum."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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Spoiler: VCA with only confirmed + me town + uzi scum
MBG would be conftown if uzi is scum, and keyser would nearly be conftown for the wagon on uzi while jar was being lynched. I don't see scum bussing their other buddy while their first buddy was getting lynched. Then it's down to Akarin/ThinkBig, Grendel, Nancy
I really don't think it's Akarin/ThinkBig, especially for the way ThinkBig reacted to Uzi's claim...although it could be a fake dumb slip by ThinkBig, so I'm not ruling it out.
Grendel and Nancy I'll have to look more into if Uzi is scum."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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The other issue i'm having with scum!Uzi is, why wouldn't he just fakeclaim VT if he really was scum motion detector. I think his claim is probably town"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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In post 2293, mattblackguy wrote:Keyser, End of day 1 you were a townlean for me. I didn't read over your ISO more until after Vifam said you were a strong townread. And when I said you could be scum because you didn't try to counter Gerry wagon by creating a wagon of one of your scumreads (after the Grendel wagon collapsed), it was what I was honestly thinking at the time. I can see scum motivation in saying you don't agree with a lynch on a townie, but not trying to counter it with a different wagon because you don't care if the townie gets lynched. The fact that day 1 ended in 2 days though makes all of this meaningless because I will never know if you would eventually try to start a counter wagon. This is why I didn't push you for this reason, because after I said that I understood the day was too short for this to be a substantive read. I understand why you are saying my read on you was bad, but I don't understand why you keep pushing me on that bad read."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I know it's your gut, but do have an idea of what direction that's in (PR claims, MBG not having a viable partner, something else?)In post 2605, RadiantCowbells wrote:but every fiber in my gut is telling me something's wrong with the gamestate."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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Probably MBG because of how Rauth reacted to your "something with Cop in it" claim from D1 and how they reacted to clearing you at the start of D2 (not wanting to out the inno)
As far as setup spec, I'd say either is possible. A backup Cop isn't seen often, because it's pretty powerful to have a cop and a backup, but it's less powerful with a scum roleblocker/jailkeeper.
But so is town cop and town jailkeeper. It's a play on Cop/doctor, but negates the Cop power if the JK targets the cop. Scum would still need its own roleblocker as it does in Cop/doc setups, or at least some power to override the protection of a cop."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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I see what you're getting at though.
Cop backup Cop is really powerful because scum now have to kill them both, and if scum lose their JK early it's basically broken without a second scum power to negate the Cop ability."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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And scum motion detector isn't enough to negate Cop/backup Cop/BP/JK
Scum would have to have a RB'er.
Alternatively. A scum Jailer plus a second ability that can negate a cop is enough to stop Cop/backup Cop. So if Matt is scum they are halfway there."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Great point, especially because godfather isn't allowed in nornals nowIn post 2613, RadiantCowbells wrote:I question in what universe a cop with an inno says 'barring a very good argument for lynching RC'"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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Do we remember why post he posted this.In post 2011, Pine wrote:Indeed, the pansy Normal review committee has decided to make Godfathers non-Normal because it involves moderators giving inaccurate information to players. Weenies. GF used to be normal, and I consider it a fairly integral part of balancing Cops and other robust investigators.
Consider this mod-confirmation that the game qualifies as Normal, despite the thematics.
Like who was this in response to"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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Rauth could have delayed even further for Akarin to post to delay the Jar lynch, but didn't. He went ahead and voted to put Jar at L-1.
I think Occam's razor also points to town!Rauth"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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So really it comes down to LUV vs Matt for me, and a scum motion detector just isn't enough to negate Cop/Backup Cop/BP/JK
And scum!Uzi probably just claims VT instead of yet another investigative that is pretty weak in its ability to do much for town or scum."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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This would be some awfully sick newbie gambit to fakeclaim Backup CopIn post 400, Rautherdir wrote:
Let me just put it this way: This is my second game. The only game I have played so far besides this game was a Newbie which Grendel was in.In post 398, Vifam wrote:I didn't like that post either mostly because you felt the need to tell us you were gonna vote someone in RVS, which feels like a newbscum or newbtown thing, I haven't really figured it out yet
Or an even sicker gambit to pretend to be a newbie without knowing ahead of time that there would be the possibility to pull off this gambit"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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This fits a newbie backup Cop mondsetIn post 428, Rautherdir wrote:
That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not.In post 412, Cooperative Sheep wrote:In post 389, Rautherdir wrote:Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.
How come neither of you (or at least Vifam) is affected by the cop claim as far as assessing a TvS theory setup?In post 402, Vifam wrote:RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh
I would think that would tend to sharply affect your value call if you were pretty sure at least one, but not both players were scum."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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In post 571, Rautherdir wrote:I think either you or RC is scum. I have said that before. I'd rather lynch you before RC because of RC's claim."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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This is the reaction of a town backup Cop starting D2In post 766, Rautherdir wrote:Posting to say a few things:
I can't access a computer right now.
Gerry's reaction to RC's claim now makes sense.
I also now believe RC is town.
Transcend, Vifam, you didn't even let Akarin post. I mean seriously, you could have at least waited a day or so at L-1 to get a claim from Gerry.
I'm narrowing down my lynch pool to Transcend and Vifam today, barring an extremely good argument for lynching RC."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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So really it's still MBG/Uzi, and in that case I still go with MBG because scum HAVE to have a way to negate the cops and a motion detector is not a claim scum!Uzi would have made"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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Also RC.
Since you're confident you were shot, it points to scum having a blocking role. Otherwise without a blocking role they shoot the claimed backup cop"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I strongly believe MBG is scum. Not just from the claim stuff but also from his play.
The question is do we leash his JK, or lynch him today."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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Again. That would require a pretty sophisticated gambit from a newbie player.
It also doesn't explain his behavior around Jar.
It also doesn't explain the scum motivation behind clearing town!RC while RC was under heat for the fake claim (unless Rauth and RC are scum together, but Ibreally don't think RC's paranoia about Rauth scum is scum Thayer between them, given they could have had any number of lynches today already)."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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There's no way Rauth is scum.
I'm willing to stake the game on it.
I've tried fleshing it out and I can't come to a world where Rauth is scum."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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That's why Jar pushed it.
And remember, scum have daytalk.
There's NO WAY Jar pushes RC like that and that scum coach a scum!Rauth to take the heat off RC.
No no no"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I never said he is.In post 2643, nancy wrote:lol rc is never getting lynched gtfo
What are you talking about?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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He's a newbie.In post 2644, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Rautherdir
Why would Rautherdir as backup cop be at all confused if I claimed cop?
I think he might not know that there can't be godfathers in this setup. It's his first normal game ever."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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Because you claimed "a role with the word cop in it"In post 2644, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Rautherdir
Why would Rautherdir as backup cop be at all confused if I claimed cop?
Not cop"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I don't see scum motivation for you defending Rauth here for an MBG lynch.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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Especially because if MBG is scum we win anyway.
Because MBG cannot be scum with myself, Keyser, Uzi, or grendel
Scum know a scum!MBG lynch means game over"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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Yeah i really do know though.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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I am so sick of how hard it is to lynch obvscum on this site.
I say here and played RC's little game just to appease him."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
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*sat here
I went and looked at Rauth, at Uzi, at whoever the f he told me to look at.
It's all coming back to MBG
I'm sorry if y'all don't see it. that's not my fault"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
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