First, hello to everybody and second I hope that Alt takes a serious approach to the game and is gonna participate to the fullest, else he might actually ruin the experience. But this is also not something you should use as a clear argument before everyone got to even say hello.In post 9, Anotora wrote:Hi everyone! Really excited to start playing forum mafia again!
VOTE: Obvious Alt for what she said in the Queue.
Everyone here owes it to the town to participate fully in discussion and scumhunting, and a great deal of that happens with back-and-forth argument and working off of each other's ideas. Trying to fly solo, though it may not be scummy in this one particular case, is anti-town IMO. So let's put her through some extra scrutiny by votes.In post 448, Obvious Alt wrote:/in mini
Saying this here, before role PMs go out, so saying it later is NAI. This account is experimenting with a new strategy to test its validity. I will be leaning HEAVILY on initial gut reads, and will be unlikely to respond to alternate views coming from others.
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That and also the fact that he wants us to get out of RVS which is not a Town move also.In post 16, Garmr wrote:I'm going to assume both for the answer yes. Either way I haven't seen a scum player yet suggest a no lynch so you get a very early town lean.
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That was in RVS so it shouldn't be taken that seriously. I believe Grey is talking about the No lynch for the whole Day 1.In post 15, Anotora wrote:
Yet you voted for it.In post 14, -Grey- wrote:No Lynch is never an option on d1.-
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Why so keen on believing him, a?In post 24, Garmr wrote:I believe you firebringer about being a miller.
Firebringer I guarantee I'm town this game because I lost my backstabbing knife.
Also, are you trying to buddy with everyone-
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Fake claiming is very possible with miller. It is a common tactic. Tho you do seem to be saying the truth. This probably means RC has a good chance of being scum tho.In post 48, Firebringer wrote:
I am pretty sure rc is joking,In post 45, Anotora wrote:
It's much, much likelier that one of you two is scum.In post 36, Firebringer wrote:
What if we are both miller? O_oIn post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote: Also I cc miller so powerlynch Firebringer.
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I sence that you are sweating. You have been discovered!In post 49, Srceenplay wrote:
That statement is untrue. That makes you a liar. Vote all liars.In post 43, Pepchoninga wrote:VOTE: Srceenplay
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Well, for starters its the meta on the mafiascum wiki. Its good for millers to claim with there first posts so cops don't waist there investigation at night.In post 56, Frozen Angel wrote:
ahh?!In post 54, Pepchoninga wrote:It is a common tactic
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They both seem fishy since you obviously can't fully trust fast claims like that, but Fires was first and RCa felt unnecessary and really just there to start something up.In post 60, Anotora wrote:
Pepchoninga, could you explain more specifically why you think Firebringer's claim is more credible than RC's?In post 54, Pepchoninga wrote: Fake claiming is very possible with miller. It is a common tactic. Tho you do seem to be saying the truth. This probably means RC has a good chance of being scum tho.-
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I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie. What makes you think I'm scummy?In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.-
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I see. Well, I was just acting of common sence, since usually when you start claiming the same role it's either a TvS, a SvS or in this case a RVS discussion.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:pac that meta is not true - it was true in the old days maybe
a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.-
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I look at the manual when I don't have experience with something. I haven't encountered a game (either read or played in) where there was a miller or at peast a claim for one.In post 72, RadiantCowbells wrote:
It's because you do things and look at things by the book, using the site meta as a manual. It feels either scummy or newbie but I guess it's possible that you just approach things like that?In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:
I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie. What makes you think I'm scummy?In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.-
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Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.In post 79, Garmr wrote:
What scum would want to counterclaim miller especially this early in the game. Also I know firebringer enough to know he wouldn't fakeclaim miller as scum.In post 77, Pepchoninga wrote:
I see. Well, I was just acting of common sence, since usually when you start claiming the same role it's either a TvS, a SvS or in this case a RVS discussion.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:pac that meta is not true - it was true in the old days maybe
a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.-
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It could also be provocative.In post 80, -Grey- wrote:
If you want to claim common sense, them common sense should have told you that a real cc would have been accompanied with a vote.In post 77, Pepchoninga wrote:
I see. Well, I was just acting of common sence, since usually when you start claiming the same role it's either a TvS, a SvS or in this case a RVS discussion.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote:pac that meta is not true - it was true in the old days maybe
a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.-
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Don't understand how you find any connection between the two posts. In the first one I say I'm not a complete Newbie and it is pretty insulting saying that (even if I make dumb mistakes) and in the second one I say that since I don't know you as players as well as you know each other, I cannot say if somebody would do something or not, like some of you have done till now.In post 86, -Grey- wrote:In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.
VOTE: Pepto NinjaIn post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.
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Hey now, play it nice. Also please read what I'm saying and to waht I'm replying before you actually start lynching for no reason.In post 97, -Grey- wrote:
If you're not a newbie, you don't need to know us personally to read us.In post 91, Pepchoninga wrote:
Don't understand how you find any connection between the two posts. In the first one I say I'm not a complete Newbie and it is pretty insulting saying that (even if I make dumb mistakes) and in the second one I say that since I don't know you as players as well as you know each other, I cannot say if somebody would do something or not, like some of you have done till now.In post 86, -Grey- wrote:In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.
VOTE: Pepto NinjaIn post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.
Can't have it both ways, mate.
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Grey's post on me was totally out of what I said. Don't know how you see it as productive.In post 110, Anotora wrote:
Between the two posts of mine that you quoted, Grey postedFrozen Angel wrote:In post 70, Anotora wrote:
Judging by your ISO it would seem like I'm the only one in the game you have an opinion of.In post 68, -Grey- wrote: Too early for Garmr. I think my opinion of Anotora is pretty obvious.
I like to know how these two post add up in you're mind. can you explain how someone who is picky on you has a pro town scum hunting effort?In post 89, Anotora wrote:You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on his actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.
and I mean I like to know what is your opinion about the fact that "he scum reads you for believing Not voting is a topic to be discussed later in day"
and-Grey- post #80 wrote: If you want to claim common sense, them common sense should have told you that a real cc would have been accompanied with a vote.
both of which I thought were productive. So I changed my attitude towards him.-Grey- post #86 wrote:In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.
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I will repeat the question Ano asked - why are you lynchhopping?
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Actually you seem inconsistent in what you do. You seem pretty confident in your scumread after about five pages of nonsense. Good job.In post 121, -Grey- wrote:Your question is as irrelevant as theirs was because I was going back and forth between two scumreads trying to figure out which one I wanted more.
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Has calling me a noob become a meme or something? At least don't use it in your arguments cuz it's getting on my nerves >.<In post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
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I belive in sportsmanship and this includes counting everybody as your equal in a game like that. Since the other things are disrespectful ^^In post 131, -Grey- wrote:
Letting people know it annoys you is the worst thing you can do.In post 130, Pepchoninga wrote:
Has calling me a noob become a meme or something? At least don't use it in your arguments cuz it's getting on my nerves >.<In post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
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I will agree with you on that. Tho I would still like to play without those remarks. Think whatever you wish tho.In post 133, -Grey- wrote:
I believe in sportsmanship too. Part of that is nutting up and not letting inconsequential remarks affect your mindset.In post 132, Pepchoninga wrote:
I belive in sportsmanship and this includes counting everybody as your equal in a game like that. Since the other things are disrespectful ^^In post 131, -Grey- wrote:
Letting people know it annoys you is the worst thing you can do.In post 130, Pepchoninga wrote:
Has calling me a noob become a meme or something? At least don't use it in your arguments cuz it's getting on my nerves >.<In post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
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I'm sorry was your 3rd sentence directed to me, since I didn't really understand it.In post 135, Garmr wrote:
So you expect ground breaking work in rvs and I will work at my own pace. Honestly you haven't really done that much noteworthy either. Also dislike the way you framed my view pepchininga I was pointing to light behavior I didn't understand and tried to find a reasoning to it. I was hoping to see others reaction butIn post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
That's... not a great contribution on his part.
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grey is back to null with his recent behavior. His constant attacking seems kinda forced.
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I actually completely missed your post, so sorry about that. I am admittedly newer to the more competitive ,shaw I say, forum mafia, but me not going deep into anything at the time of you making that post and even now is due to the fact I'm still forming opinions and also I am waiting on everybody to come in and catch up to the couple pages of hit and miss arguments. This is still pretty early game and we do have 2 weeks so I see no reason to rush into any non well though wagons and fire accusations with no real evidence to back it up.In post 140, Garmr wrote:
Post 74 I comment How your post early game seem a little superficial not to deep with analysis. Two reasoning I give why it might be that way is that your newish (I didn't call you a noob) and it's early game.In post 138, Pepchoninga wrote:
I'm sorry was your 3rd sentence directed to me, since I didn't really understand it.In post 135, Garmr wrote:
So you expect ground breaking work in rvs and I will work at my own pace. Honestly you haven't really done that much noteworthy either. Also dislike the way you framed my view pepchininga I was pointing to light behavior I didn't understand and tried to find a reasoning to it. I was hoping to see others reaction butIn post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
That's... not a great contribution on his part.
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grey is back to null with his recent behavior. His constant attacking seems kinda forced.
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Honestly, RCs vote seemed more RVSish then a serious one. But still we should wait for a resoonce from him.In post 142, Anotora wrote:-Grey- and Garmr both use the same talking point(!) about RC's miller counterclaim. That is, "it can't be serious; if it was, then RC would have voted Firebringer."
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Honestly I belive its normal to have a slight paranoia. This actually gives me a good slight town-read. We are early game and very little things may seem scummy. That's why I love having long days since it really helps you get beyond that paranoia and follow people's though process to get good reads and form strong arguments.In post 146, Garmr wrote:
I like this answer I'm generally saying what's in my head at this time. Still through I do have a slight paranoia about you but I can't find anything to justify it.In post 143, Pepchoninga wrote:
I actually completely missed your post, so sorry about that. I am admittedly newer to the more competitive ,shaw I say, forum mafia, but me not going deep into anything at the time of you making that post and even now is due to the fact I'm still forming opinions and also I am waiting on everybody to come in and catch up to the couple pages of hit and miss arguments. This is still pretty early game and we do have 2 weeks so I see no reason to rush into any non well though wagons and fire accusations with no real evidence to back it up.In post 140, Garmr wrote:
Post 74 I comment How your post early game seem a little superficial not to deep with analysis. Two reasoning I give why it might be that way is that your newish (I didn't call you a noob) and it's early game.In post 138, Pepchoninga wrote:
I'm sorry was your 3rd sentence directed to me, since I didn't really understand it.In post 135, Garmr wrote:
So you expect ground breaking work in rvs and I will work at my own pace. Honestly you haven't really done that much noteworthy either. Also dislike the way you framed my view pepchininga I was pointing to light behavior I didn't understand and tried to find a reasoning to it. I was hoping to see others reaction butIn post 128, Anotora wrote:So, Garmr was active in this thread for an hour and literally all he did was (jokingly or not) buddy up to Firebringer and comment on Pepchoninga's newbieness.
That's... not a great contribution on his part.
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Yeiiii, Alidick <3In post 172, Alisae wrote:Don't mind me I'm just gonna quickly skim 7 pages.-
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I know right? I could smell something from miles awayIn post 176, Alisae wrote:
Fucking disgustingIn post 49, Srceenplay wrote:
That statement is untrue. That makes you a liar. Vote all liars.In post 43, Pepchoninga wrote:VOTE: Srceenplay
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You say I'm a noob too?In post 177, Alisae wrote:
I agree with this statement 100%.In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.
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You like me, or Grey?In post 179, Alisae wrote:
You're talking to Grey. Good luck with that.In post 100, Pepchoninga wrote:
Hey now, play it nice. Also please read what I'm saying and to waht I'm replying before you actually start lynching for no reason.In post 97, -Grey- wrote:
If you're not a newbie, you don't need to know us personally to read us.In post 91, Pepchoninga wrote:
Don't understand how you find any connection between the two posts. In the first one I say I'm not a complete Newbie and it is pretty insulting saying that (even if I make dumb mistakes) and in the second one I say that since I don't know you as players as well as you know each other, I cannot say if somebody would do something or not, like some of you have done till now.In post 86, -Grey- wrote:In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.
VOTE: Pepto NinjaIn post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.
Can't have it both ways, mate.
Read between the lines, newbie.
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What the hell was that tho? Seems like Grey asked a provocative question, Alis answered with a sarcastic answer and got a passive response...is this a buddy request?In post 191, Alisae wrote:
I know right!In post 190, -Grey- wrote:
Woooow. All that from five posts.In post 188, Alisae wrote:I think I established that I really don't like Screenplay. All of their posts are mostly votes. None of them really have reasoning behind them.
I think it's moreso oppertunistic play coming from them.
Also they've done nothing to progress the game.
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I would work with you if you admit I'm your superior...you have wounded my heart enoughIn post 242, Alisae wrote:
Don't throw shade at me!In post 240, Pepchoninga wrote:
You say I'm a noob too?In post 177, Alisae wrote:
I agree with this statement 100%.In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.
Mostly because I know em.
That's why I don't like playing with ya
I wanna work with you!
Hell, you get benefits from it too!
Now, please don't go to far in my private space-
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I am your leaderIn post 246, Alisae wrote:
I don't think you are anything close to townleader if that's what you mean.In post 244, Pepchoninga wrote:
I would work with you if you admit I'm your superior...you have wounded my heart enoughIn post 242, Alisae wrote:
Don't throw shade at me!In post 240, Pepchoninga wrote:
You say I'm a noob too?In post 177, Alisae wrote:
I agree with this statement 100%.In post 63, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pepchoninga feels flat scummy but in a very newbie way. He might just be newbie.
Mostly because I know em.
That's why I don't like playing with ya
I wanna work with you!
Hell, you get benefits from it too!
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I would like and answer btw.In post 241, Pepchoninga wrote:
You like me, or Grey?In post 179, Alisae wrote:
You're talking to Grey. Good luck with that.In post 100, Pepchoninga wrote:
Hey now, play it nice. Also please read what I'm saying and to waht I'm replying before you actually start lynching for no reason.In post 97, -Grey- wrote:
If you're not a newbie, you don't need to know us personally to read us.In post 91, Pepchoninga wrote:
Don't understand how you find any connection between the two posts. In the first one I say I'm not a complete Newbie and it is pretty insulting saying that (even if I make dumb mistakes) and in the second one I say that since I don't know you as players as well as you know each other, I cannot say if somebody would do something or not, like some of you have done till now.In post 86, -Grey- wrote:In post 66, Pepchoninga wrote:I do get quite insulted when I'm called a newbie.
VOTE: Pepto NinjaIn post 82, Pepchoninga wrote:Fair enough, I haven't played with you lot, so I cannot talk about what one of you would or would not do.
Can't have it both ways, mate.
Read between the lines, newbie.
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You repeatedly saying buddy is not giving me good signsIn post 250, -Grey- wrote:
I wouldn't rule anything out as a possibility. It all depends on circumstances, buddy.In post 248, Alisae wrote:Okay Grey. Let me ask you this honestly: Would you ever buddy me?
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I will take that as a slip!In post 253, -Grey- wrote:
Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.In post 251, Pepchoninga wrote:I would like and answer btw.-
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I was joking like everyone in this conversation for the past 2 pages probably...In post 260, Alisae wrote:
No...This isn't a slip Peppy...In post 257, Pepchoninga wrote:
I will take that as a slip!In post 253, -Grey- wrote:
Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.In post 251, Pepchoninga wrote:I would like and answer btw.
I usually like to push people who push slips that aren't slips hard, but this is definitely not a slip.
But he either said that for 2 reasons.
A. He actually is trying to pocket me.
B. Sarcasm. I bet it's the 2nd one.
Either way the reasons are WIFOM-
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Why would I vote you now? You haven't done anything to me except tell me how bad I am, wich is obviously not a good sign in my book, but you also have good vibes, apart from the vote hopping from time to time.In post 261, -Grey- wrote:
Where is your vote then?In post 257, Pepchoninga wrote:
I will take that as a slip!In post 253, -Grey- wrote:
Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.In post 251, Pepchoninga wrote:I would like and answer btw.-
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I will have to reread Anotora's ISO to form a clearer opinion on him. I know you didn't ask for my opinion but hey, I guess we are all needed in the disscussion.In post 258, Garmr wrote:I Would like to point out that anotora still has dodged a majority of of the points made against him and attacks others he def deserves a bigger wagon.
I will offer my opinion on screenplay. It wouldn't surprise me if screenplay flips town but he hasn't really tried to make contributions to the game. So I can see why town would want to vote him. My gut tells me if screenplay flips town anotora would be the start of scum jumping on and the three before him are most likely town.
I have warmed up to Pepchoninga while I have had a good feeling from alisae from his entrance. Firebringer is confirmed town in my book and everyone should treat him as such. Anotora I feel like is the scum on the wagon. I would think they are scum no matter the alignment of pepchoninga flip but a town flip makes them look worse.
@firebringer I think you have a bit confirmation bias with anotora you don't have to vote but at least consider all my points and discuss them with me?-
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That's his tactic...he plays nice and jokey in the beginning then you don't fucking know wether he'll flip town or mafia.In post 264, -Grey- wrote:
Maybe I misunderestimated you.In post 260, Alisae wrote:
No...This isn't a slip Peppy...In post 257, Pepchoninga wrote:
I will take that as a slip!In post 253, -Grey- wrote:
Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.In post 251, Pepchoninga wrote:I would like and answer btw.
I usually like to push people who push slips that aren't slips hard, but this is definitely not a slip.
But he either said that for 2 reasons.
A. He actually is trying to pocket me.
B. Sarcasm. I bet it's the 2nd one.
Either way the reasons are WIFOM-
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It doesn't MAKE you scum, it just gives you a scum look. What MAKES you scum is if a cop gets an investigation on you or you flip scum after you die. You can never be 100% sure about anybody even if they slip. If you can, then you are not town.In post 266, -Grey- wrote:
If it's a slip, that makes me scum does it not?In post 263, Pepchoninga wrote:
Why would I vote you now? You haven't done anything to me except tell me how bad I am, wich is obviously not a good sign in my book, but you also have good vibes, apart from the vote hopping from time to time.In post 261, -Grey- wrote:
Where is your vote then?In post 257, Pepchoninga wrote:
I will take that as a slip!In post 253, -Grey- wrote:
Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.In post 251, Pepchoninga wrote:I would like and answer btw.-
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I don't really know what you are trying to squish out of this situation. Cuz it seems you just don't have anything better to go for. If I had a real lead on you and was sure in your lynch I would've lynched you even without a flip. Yet this is not the case, so for now I see no further use of me explaining it.In post 271, -Grey- wrote:
You advised me of slipping. Presumably, you meant making aIn post 268, Pepchoninga wrote:
It doesn't MAKE you scum, it just gives you a scum look. What MAKES you scum is if a cop gets an investigation on you or you flip scum after you die. You can never be 100% sure about anybody even if they slip. If you can, then you are not town.In post 266, -Grey- wrote:
If it's a slip, that makes me scum does it not?In post 263, Pepchoninga wrote:
Why would I vote you now? You haven't done anything to me except tell me how bad I am, wich is obviously not a good sign in my book, but you also have good vibes, apart from the vote hopping from time to time.In post 261, -Grey- wrote:
Where is your vote then?In post 257, Pepchoninga wrote:
I will take that as a slip!In post 253, -Grey- wrote:
Stop pressuring him until I get him pocketed, geez.In post 251, Pepchoninga wrote:I would like and answer btw.scumslip. Only scum can scumslip. Town can't do that. Hence,scumslip.
If I scumslipped, the proper course of action is to lynch me because I'm scum.-
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Garmr makes some really nice points here. A common thing I see is the Ano seems to be trying to hard to be involved. His posts seems kinda forced at times, also he took more time on the stupid milner ccs then needed, even tho it is widely expected that it was just some RVS messing combined with other reasons. Props to getting Screenplay into the scene, since lurkers are quite dangerous, but still this doesn't ignore my last point. I might be repeating what others have said but this is the thing that mostly stuck out in his posts and other people's cases on himIn post 139, Garmr wrote:
Hello captain obviousIn post 15, Anotora wrote:
Yet you voted for it.In post 14, -Grey- wrote:No Lynch is never an option on d1.
Answered this yet you never bothered inquiring further into why not?In post 27, Anotora wrote:Garmr, why are your posts so fixated on Firebringer?
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It's much, much likelier that one of you two is scum.In post 36, Firebringer wrote:
What if we are both miller? O_oIn post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote: Also I cc miller so powerlynch Firebringer.
I feel like your just posting this shit to make it seem like your involved. Anyone who's not new can see rc is bull shitting at this point with the lack of vote.In post 50, Anotora wrote:RC, you serious about your miller claim? Because if you are then we have at least a 50/50 chance of lynching scum Day 1 and that's a great place to start.
engage in wifom then right off your own post as wifomy what's the motivation as town to do this. It seems counter productive and just looks like something someone would post to make it look like their doing something.In post 84, Anotora wrote:
I think it's more likely for a scum to claim miller early than for scum to counterclaim miller. This is in part because of how unlikely two millers are.In post 67, Frozen Angel wrote: a scum should be idiot to claim miller. (I'm sure Fire and RC are not idiots - ) [I'm joking! I love you both] cause there is a meta to never let a miller reach mylo lylo.
If Firebringer is scum, then claiming miller was a big risk for him that could also have paid off. On the other hand, if RadiantCowbells is scum, claiming miller would be a terrible move, since at best he'd get a mislynch on Firebringer and then be confirmed scum, and at worst he'd be lynched straight off Day 1.
It almost seems to me like we should put such a bad scum move past RC and vote Firebringer, but that's WIFOMy.
I'm not doing anything either way until RC confirms that his claim was serious.
Compliments grey on his scum hunting and calls him pro town doesn't list anypoints seems like a generic make believe read.In post 89, Anotora wrote:
You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on hisIn post 81, Frozen Angel wrote:ahh let me make the case then:
@Anotora , You stated your not a fan of Grey no lynch vote, but thats a topic to discus later in day. Grey beleives you're scum for pretending/suggesting No lynch is a viable discussable option in day 1.In post 14, -Grey- wrote:No. No Lynch is never an option on d1. That you are feigning objection to it for now and keeping it open as a possibility for later if town is amenable to it gives me scum vibes.
what that makes you think about Grey and his rvs no lynch vote and then his next vote on you?actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.
Contradicts the last post by calling him out for vote hopping. If grey makes good points why are you asking him about his vote hopping and instead not try and argue against his case against you. Instead of trying to figure out why he scum reads you. You scarecrow him in a different direction.In post 96, Anotora wrote:
Could you rephrase that? I don't understand.In post 92, Frozen Angel wrote:no I asked what that particular thing I said means to you.
Why are you votehopping?-Grey- wrote:
I'm protown for scumreading you with clear posts with actual points to them?In post 89, Anotora wrote:You're asking what my read on Grey is? My very early read on him is somewhat pro-town based on his actual scumhunting effort, with clear posts with clear points to them.
Sounds like a confession if I ever heard one.
VOTE: Anotora
So it's ok early game to not say much ok.In post 112, Anotora wrote:
I mean, it was a reasonable thing for him to criticize, especially considering that was only page 1 and we didn't have a lot to go off of.In post 101, Frozen Angel wrote:and I mean I like to know what is your opinion about the fact that "he scum reads you for believing Not voting is a topic to be discussed later in day"
But grey has such good town read right you think his points on pepchoninga were good from his perspective. You don't seem fussed with his actual reasoning to vote you in the first place. Seems like your just attacking here for a possible vote.In post 115, Anotora wrote:It almost seems like you're rewarding me for townreading you, by taking your vote off of me and putting it back on Pepchoninga. That's the scummiest thing you've done so far.
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This is a strange post again. He just seems to not want to leave this RC shit alone and is just looking to squish anything he can. Seems like a desperate move to fit in and do some scumhunting imo.In post 141, Anotora wrote:
Thanks for getting us back on track. The fact that RadiantCowbells has ignored calls to double down on his miller counterclaim, is cause for action. Since ObviousAlt is here to play and doesn't seem anti-information as I worried she might, I'm going to move my vote to pressure RC.In post 137, Obvious Alt wrote:
Is this for real?In post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's time for us to gloriously VOTE: Draw.
All aboard choo choo choo.
Also I cc miller so powerlynch Firebringer.
Super unlikely.In post 36, Firebringer wrote:
What if we are both miller? O_oIn post 34, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's time for us to gloriously VOTE: Draw.
All aboard choo choo choo.
Also I cc miller so powerlynch Firebringer.
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I do understand that completely. I wouldn't acuse of a slip and not back it up with evidence and a lynch or at least start a case against you exept in this situation where I admited of joking, but I don't think you need that as a reminder.In post 275, -Grey- wrote:
My point is if you think I scumslipped you need to put your vote where your mouth is.In post 274, Pepchoninga wrote:I don't really know what you are trying to squish out of this situation.
There is no town benefit to slinging shade around without backing it up with a push.-
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Yoshi smells scum to me...In post 276, Garmr wrote:Off the top of my head and so I can remeber how I'm feeling for latter
Confirmed town
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Frozen angel- I think I have to elaborate on this one. Frozen has 30 post 8 pages in and she hasn't really put down a solid stance. Her vote is own me with no real serious reasoning for it to be there other than I voted her. I noticed that she was implying that grey was scummy but didn't jump on him in post 71. She ask for peoples opinions on players and does nothing with it. After this she is just defending herself from firebringers weak push (no offense buddy but your push on frozen seems kinda weak). Frozen angel to my memory is a paranoid player who is quick to push for reasons that puzzle me sometimes. She is not that she is not parinoid she is content with the situation she is in despite actually not hunting or anything. This is not a town frozen.
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I don't know what is wrong with the post tbh. I wanted to give an opinion on Antora. I think that he was to keen on the Fire vs RC situation and trying to make something out of nothing. This seems like a move to try and fit with town.In post 285, Alisae wrote:
Why do you think he (who the fuck is he in this case) spent more time on the miller ccs then he should have?In post 279, Pepchoninga wrote:Garmr makes some really nice points here. A common thing I see is the Ano seems to be trying to hard to be involved. His posts seems kinda forced at times, also he took more time on the stupid milner ccs then needed, even tho it is widely expected that it was just some RVS messing combined with other reasons. Props to getting Screenplay into the scene, since lurkers are quite dangerous, but still this doesn't ignore my last point. I might be repeating what others have said but this is the thing that mostly stuck out in his posts and other people's cases on him
Screenplay lurking? EHHHHHHHH Thats a stretch.
Screenplay not contributing? That sounds more about right.
It has been a mish mash tbh. Screenplay hasn't stayed for an actual disscussion so you can actually say "Yes, he is here, but he isn't contributing". Also this isn't exactly the Screenplay I know, but he might just not have anything to go for still.-
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Would you like to elaborate what you dislike about the post?In post 286, RadiantCowbells wrote:I really hate 279 as well. It feels squarely what I would expect from Pepchoninga if they were scumbuddies. Also could just be scum in general.
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Kinda don't understand what you meant by waffy, but I guess you thought my arguments were shit. I understand, it was just what popped in my head first and since people were very keen on the guy and I hadn't really gathered a good opinion troughout reading his post on the way I desided to reread his ISO and others cases to make a statement on the situation.-
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Honestly I would argue with you on that. I might of gotten some of my thoughts confused but what I was thinking was said very loud and clear. Having read Ano's ISO I have a slight SR on him.In post 295, RadiantCowbells wrote:
No, not shit. It's that they lacked direction and you didn't have a clear thought process and that's very common for scum.In post 294, Pepchoninga wrote:Kinda don't understand what you meant by waffy, but I guess you thought my arguments were shit. I understand, it was just what popped in my head first and since people were very keen on the guy and I hadn't really gathered a good opinion troughout reading his post on the way I desided to reread his ISO and others cases to make a statement on the situation.-
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Well, don't judge it that way until we have gotten into an actual state of discussion.In post 299, RadiantCowbells wrote:Doesn't feel that way. 279 feels extremely 'hey guys I need to say my buddy is scummy then start talking about other people' on top of the waffle.
Metal Sonic adapted my Annie avi at one point. He was a pretty cool dude. Are you a pretty cool dude?For some reason RC's avi reminds me of Metal Sonic. I never actually played with Metal Sonic but I heard stories about him-
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Honestly his tone has been changing throughout the game so far.In post 300, Alisae wrote:Also am I going fucking crazy, or did's Grey's tone feel like it durasticly change?-
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Good post, with actual opinion. That's a first. I am active but I'm not really going ham for reasons already explained. I would like to wait for everybody to post there first posts, so I can get my reads up. You can't start a disscussion when there are people who haven't even gotten into the game. We have 2 weeks to form opinion and to execute our game plans. Why should I rush something like that? You know if I was scum I would I want long days? I might be newish, but I'm not stupid. I want to prevent fast and unnecessary wagons until we have everybody up and running. I am getting into discussions and provoking reactions. Please reread the situation of Grey, since if you take anything in those posts seriously I think you need a doctor. As I said, if I was serious for a second about the Grey slip I would've started making a case on him and ultimately going for a lynch. In the light of that I don't see how this argument is valid. Why is post #268 so bad? And no, I won't vote you for something so little. What you did is gave you a slight scum read but this doesn't mean I would lynch you. When I see a target I am sure about you will see me attacking with full strength. I belive that lynching people is not always a good thing. It is a way of pressuring and a way of starting/continuing/finishing the action of killing. But it's also a tool that if placed wrong could get you lynched without doing anything. I belive we should deduce what people do and have discussions about it and then starting to throw pressure lynches and straight up wagon lynches. My vote on Screenplay was a RVS vote and I also have commented on the Screenplay situation.In post 353, Anotora wrote:Here's the sum up of what I think of all the active players so far, not that anyone asked.
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+ Consistently good reasons for his votes, except obviously #94 is weird from my own perspective
+ Consistent tone
+ Independent of others
Alisae
+ Points out inconsistencies in others' play
? Wagoning the lurker
- Contribution is limited beyond "I like you", "I don't like you".
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+ Believeable miller claim
? Non-substantial activity except for a few reads until the spat with Frozen Angel
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+ Asks the right questions to move discussion forward
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- Only started building his strawmannish tunnel case on me after I pressured him at #128
+ Consistent productive activity
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+ Good gut read from her single post
? Inactive
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- Lots of non-substantial activity
- Says that he has a good read on -Grey- in #254, suspects -Grey- of a scumslip in #257, "it was a joke" in #262
- Acts extremely noncommittal and tries not to get in the thick of discussion. Has repeatedly expressed he wants a long day. #268 is abysmally bad.
- In #279 he postures noncommittally so as to maybe get on my wagon in the future. I think if he were town he would have straight up voted me instead of keeping the joke vote he's had on Srceenplay since page 3. Speaking of his srceenplay vote, he hasn't said a single word about it since that wagon turned serious. Suspicious.
RadiantCowbells
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+ Productive activity
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- Lurking with non-substantial activity
- Does nothing when called out on this
- Sheeps onto wagons
I didn't realize how strong of a read I would get going through Pepchoninga's ISO, but now I find him real scummy. I think his strategy is to wait for a wagon that has a solid chance of resulting in a lynch. In the meantime, he talks a lot but really says nothing.
VOTE: Pepchoninga
While I say your post is good, you really don't give much on the other players exect pluses and minuses. Why would you even bother to comment on them if you are gonna point out how active they are.