Hi all!
Getting ready for work will read tonight afterward.
Hi all!
...Why the hell would you hammer a townread after announcement of a replace in?In post 1267, Lowell wrote:I'll also hammer if scum-saru gets cold feet. FTR I still don't think Thor is scum though, would have been better to get saru or lmk today.
Didn't read the link but you don't vote a scumread just because they have a viable wagon you make cases and then see who agrees with you. Mindset there isn't townie.In post 1266, karnos wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8449770 Thor/Saru were my main picks for scum. They both still are, but Thor has moved up a notch and has a viable wagon while Saru doesn't.In post 1262, PenguinPower wrote:You weren't on Thor...you were on Saru - the leading wagon. Thor also hopped on mal when he was the third smallest wagon - why would he do that if he were bussing? He also switched earlier than you.In post 1259, karnos wrote:Because the Thor wagon wasn't going anywhere, we were near deadline, Thor could have been busing, Thor could have been town... but mal's flip reinforced my opinion of Thor being scum.
If anything, your hop onto the wagon looks worse than his.
Why did mal's flip reinforce your scum!read on Thor?
As to why it solidified my scum read of Thor, re-read this page: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=750
Thor was pushing the wagon and convinced me to ignore my hesitations, such as the fact that lynching a lurker would cause us to miss out on a claim & reads.
FWIW, Nero was the one who started the wagon. Nero/Saru team isn't out of the question, but I think it's just as likely that scum!Nero might divert a wagon away from town Saru so we can misslynch Saru later. TBH if we could just lynch Thor, Nero, & Saru I'm fairly confident 2 of the 3 will flip red.
Thor is the lynch for today, it's too late to second guess.
Still it work but this is OMGUS at its worst. You are saying I am a bad player because I have a gut read on one page. If you want to vote me then vote me. Threatening to vote me doesn't scare me at all because I am town.In post 1277, Lowell wrote:That's literally the reason I'm waiting, to give you time to weigh in. I'm saying I'll hammer to avoid NL. This is.... obvious. If it's not Thor it's you, so I'll leave it to you to decide where my vote should go.In post 1272, MathBlade wrote:...Why the hell would you hammer a townread after announcement of a replace in?In post 1267, Lowell wrote:I'll also hammer if scum-saru gets cold feet. FTR I still don't think Thor is scum though, would have been better to get saru or lmk today.
If anything you would want to give a replacement time to interact with people before nightfall and a chance to see if the read on your replacement lines up.
If I think Thor is scum after I read I would also do intent to hammer but I am going to read. Wanting to know wtf is going on is not stalling.In post 1284, ironstove wrote:HAMMER. WOW. WHY ARE YOU STALLING?
Wtf is this?In post 70, Lowell wrote:Iron is town for LOLHAMMER threat, even if knighty is a better choice.
If alp is town, either knighy or penguin (both?) is trying to pocket him.
This too. Lots of terribad.In post 73, ironstove wrote:Penguin nervously unvoting because he doesn't want to see his partner who is a mafia PR getting lynched.
PenguinPower? More like PenguinPanic
Blah more terribad. Still RVS at the time of the posts/reasons given.In post 77, Knighty Knight wrote:You said your reason was a gut scum read, hating an avatar, and wanting to see how he reacted, so I know your reasons and I am just saying that there are better reasons to push someone off so early in the game.In post 47, Nero Cain wrote:If you don't know my reason(s) how do you know its good or bad?
Very strong town read here.In post 80, PenguinPower wrote:Oooh, someone was at L-1 with an intent to hammer! We must be out of RVS!
Wait, what case or serious vote was presented?
Townread here. Will be fun to play with youIn post 92, Nero Cain wrote:In post 88, LmkGuy wrote:Man its Page 2. You should have at least 7 townreads, 3 scumreads and the other 3 null by this point (/s).town
1. LmkGuy
3. Nero Cain
5. PenguinPower
10. cmitc1
12. Knighty Knight
13. Tracer
Null
2. Saru
4. karnos
7. malpascp
Scum
8. aronagrundy
6. ironstove/9. Lowell
11. AlpacaAlpaca
Am I doing it right?
Answer me this: what language(s) did you code it in? Keep in mind you are speaking to a computer programmer.In post 206, ironstove wrote:No, it's not a website, it's code I run locally on my machine and it's not user friendly at all as I wrote it for my personal use.
It is a shame Tracer replaced out and is now Thor because RVS is pretty townie will wait and see what comes up to cause Thor wagon.In post 266, Tracer wrote:Oh my blinking god.
Why were people discussing about Nero's placement of his readlist?
This is going to be one ofthosegames isn't it?
Tracer read validated. In Wake's game Thor didn't be so confrontational.In post 356, Thor665 wrote:Greetings all, read the last two pages (or a page and a half, however you care to parse it)
Unvote: AlpacaAlpaca
Vote: Karnos
Explains vote on me via claiming a townread on Iron, then tosses out that townread discussion gak. Yeah, right.
The wagon on me appears to be based on activity for a slot that eventually replaced out - the defense rests.
What else is happening right now?
Look at the last paragraph. This was in day one.In post 1300, Fire Assassin wrote:I am so lost on how you got to this.In post 1299, MathBlade wrote:304 From Lowell is horrible especially the ending. Practically screams "No one is going for mislynch candidate one let's go for mislynch candidate two. This means Fire Assassin likely town Lowell likely scum.
Saru is strong town read.In post 365, Saru wrote:In post 358, karnos wrote:I'm not sure how anyone can say that that play was similar to my refuse to share irrelevant reads in this game. I doubt saru would pull this BS as scum, because it's so easy to prove wrong, yet nevertheless he is spewing BS that makes no logical sense. I think he is just town that was sore from losing mini 1800 and wants to get me lynched so there is no chance of being fooled again. Unfortunetly, I am town this game, so he is just hurting town by pushing to lynch me.Persivul wrote:Why don't you surprise us all with a reads list?From Mini 1800. So yes, you did say this. Also, the argument that I would want to lynch you because I'm "sore" from losing to you is silly and egotistic. You didn't even do anything in 1800, that was all Math coaching you. If anything, I wouldn't be sore because I beat Math just recently as scum in my previous game, so I guess I got my revenge?Karnos wrote:Perhaps I will. I don't like giving a full road map to scum...
Also, nice strawman. I clearly said you're not scum hunting this game but are also not willing to provide town reads this game. So you're doing nothing. You're just sitting there, twiddling your thumbs, probably waiting for a town player to get wagoned to hop on.
Agreed phone posting without flashdevelop or flashbuilder sucks for code jokes. Was inside joke of if he lied I would know "in a flash".In post 1303, bji wrote:Looks like flash. Poor bracing though.In post 1297, MathBlade wrote:Answer me this: what language(s) did you code it in? Keep in mind you are speaking to a computer programmer.In post 206, ironstove wrote:No, it's not a website, it's code I run locally on my machine and it's not user friendly at all as I wrote it for my personal use.
public function determineAlignmentOfPlayer(Player player){
var response = player.askQuestionToThem();
if (response.truthful)
examineReadOnPlayer();
}
Foxbird wrote:
This needs rope so fucking hard. I can't believe I got fooled goddamn it.In post 1319, Thor665 wrote:I will note that *NEITHER* of Saru or Iron were able to provide a case (and Karnos' case...yeah, seriously now, and oh look, derp empty from Bji).
But some lackwits managed to argue that I was the one being anti town.
Claim: Tracker
FA went nowhere last night
Derpy dee everyone - let's dance in the derp stain of your terribkle play.
Karnos and Bji wagpns accepting flail votes now.
And I can't even quote the right post.In post 1329, Foxbird wrote:Fire Assassin has been killed.
He was a.Town Tracker
_ _ _
It is now Day 3.
The day will end in(expired on 2016-11-27 13:26:58).
I agree. Between that and the fact he said I was a bad player for expressing a gut scumread on him. Reads evolve but someone's skill level isn't dependent on how they read you specifically.In post 1339, Saru wrote:No, I purposely chose not to hammer because I believed Thor's claim. Which I regret now.In post 1336, aronagrundy wrote:also saru is probably scum too for saying he'll hammer and promptly disappearing
Also, Lowell said he was going to hammer if I got cold feet, but never did. That pretty much confirms scum!Lowell to me. He's after Thor.
VOTE: Thor665
That means shit. In 1800 I bussed you the entire time and practically taught you my bussing strategy so you know this is a flawed argument and you bring it up why?In post 1380, karnos wrote:are you kidding? been trying to lynch this scum since day one. not going to slowplay it and risk someone getting cold feet.In post 1378, Nero Cain wrote:@Karnos why did you feel we needed to end the day?
I still expect an answer.In post 1382, MathBlade wrote:That means shit. In 1800 I bussed you the entire time and practically taught you my bussing strategy so you know this is a flawed argument and you bring it up why?In post 1380, karnos wrote:are you kidding? been trying to lynch this scum since day one. not going to slowplay it and risk someone getting cold feet.In post 1378, Nero Cain wrote:@Karnos why did you feel we needed to end the day?
Last scum?In post 1394, ironstove wrote:I am definitely split between last scum in Sara or Lowell, it is really hard to narrow down, Lowell's play has been so poor and anti town I can't believe a real town player is responsible for it yet I can also believe I saw that stupid weak bus attempt from Saru when he built a case on thor yet at d2 he was parking his vote on lowell
If Lowell isn't scum bji is.In post 1412, bji wrote:Where did this come from? Surely not just OMGUS?
And please, for the love of god, don't say it has something to do with 1800 ...
Would you like recent games as each alignment for me?In post 1409, ironstove wrote:Like I'll admit I'm not the best at explaining why someone is a scum read because a lot of it comes down to analyzing syntax and actions in past games so it really sounds ridiculous when I say in their scum game they changed vote actions 46 times but in their town game they made 16 actions as one of the elements in their scum read, so I don't bother mentioning it all I can try to do is look for reasons in their current game to help illustrate my reads
I said earlier why I did. I had a townread on the tracer slot and when Thor replaced into it it stayed and he was different than Wake's game.In post 1400, bji wrote:This is clearly a lie because no college student gets up at 6 am. Also no college student goes a whole day without checking every possible source of information on their phone numerous times.In post 1346, Saru wrote:Thor claimed at like 6am my time (EST) when I was getting ready to head to college. I didn't see the claim until I left my class which was on my mobile 10 minutes before the deadline (I never mobile post, fwiw). I figured it would be better not to take the chance of lynching a PR, basically. Nothing more to it.
j/k It's notclearlya lie, but it's no better or more verifiable than Lowell's non-reason for not hammering. Also MathBlade ...
Why? Why did you believe Thor's claim?In post 1326, MathBlade wrote:I believe Thor's claim.
I agree that all these refusals to hammer are ... interesting.
Please don't.In post 1390, ironstove wrote:I have a long flame post I wrote while night was out I'm gonna a paste it here so I can get banned from this game
Yes sometimes I can be arrogant. Stuck up. Rude. Unwavering. I have heard it all. However usually the more resistance the more right I am. (Not always) look at the recent cancelled Theme game 4/10 scum nailed d2.In post 1399, ironstove wrote:Honestly players like you math are the most toxic element in mafia scum because you act and play like you have read all of the information to make decisions and have an impact but in reality you are like one of those ppl that get their news from Yahoo Frontpage yet you feel knowledgeable enough to argue about world issues with others and leave people like me astounded and angry and wondering where you get the idea that it is OK to open your mouth
Nero is a townread for asking this.In post 1378, Nero Cain wrote:@Karnos why did you feel we needed to end the day?
This is telling of why Karnos is scum. He had time this morning and read something that he thought scumfirmed me and didn't share it and instead just votes. Giving replace in time is standard and the blame for not hammering when they said they would goes on those who said they hammer and no one else.In post 1420, karnos wrote:I had some time this morning, so I read from MathBlade's replace.In post 1412, bji wrote:Where did this come from? Surely not just OMGUS?
And please, for the love of god, don't say it has something to do with 1800 ...
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1250
If you have time, take a look. It's very telling now that we know Thor's alignment.
Major red flag is how MathBlade chides Lowell's intent to hammer, insisting that he let MathBlade catch up first. Then MathBlade catches up, very slowly. The Lowell/MathBlade interactions first looked to me like scum MathBlade giving his partner an out, an excuse to not hammer. There is the Lowell is town scenario though, in which case I read MathBlade's post as a very defensive push to protect Thor for one more day, before pulling a full 180 based on the tracker flip.
The only thing bothering me is the number of people who failed to lynch Thor day 2 exceeds the number of possible scum. So between Nero/Lowell/Saru/MathBlade there are at least two town, possibly even three. This is why I am thinking Nero might actually be town, and through PoE I think MathBlade & Lowell are more likely scum than Saru.
Karnos is scum.In post 1308, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Lowell
I know this is a protest vote as it is too late in the day. Call me a crybaby or spoilsport but Lowell is scum IMHO.
No. just no.In post 1431, karnos wrote:I'm still pretty sure scum are among the nero:lowell:mathblade:saru pool. Lowell, assuming for the moment you are town, and mathblade is indeed confirmed IC, between nero and saru which one is most obvious scum?
In post 1433, karnos wrote:Do you have a read on penguinpower? Is he obvious town?In post 1429, MathBlade wrote:Karnos is scum.In post 1308, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Lowell
I know this is a protest vote as it is too late in the day. Call me a crybaby or spoilsport but Lowell is scum IMHO.
Here is my first crumb if anyone cares.
Scum is in Karnos,Lowell,Bji, iron stove in that order.
You were completely wrong on your Thor read, after realizing that did *any* of your other reads change or are you just assuming it was a fluke?
No. Karnos or you should be lynched today for a coordinated attack I predicted crumbed warned about and explained in meta form.In post 1437, Lowell wrote:I want to vote saru here but the fact that I've been pushing on saru for three days and am still alive makes me think that's bad.
Going to relook at penguin, karnos, bj, and nero, probably in that order. I don't see iron as scum, I think that rant last page was genuine.
I do it as both alignments. Again you know this.In post 1441, karnos wrote:you use crumbs as scum all the time, I'm not sorry for voting you when you were acting like scum.
But anyway, lets win the game. I don't really see how your reads can be such polar opposite to my reads. Especially given that of the flips since you replaced in, my read on thor was 100% spot on.
Blow its load is a strong term meant to impassioned. I have seen it done before and taught Karnos how to do it. It has all the same markers. By telling the truth I got scum to bite.In post 1442, Lowell wrote:Yeah this is dumb. I've led coordinated attacks as scum before but I've never had a coordinated scum attack that blew its load on the first three votes on a wagon.In post 1439, MathBlade wrote:No. Karnos or you should be lynched today for a coordinated attack I predicted crumbed warned about and explained in meta form.In post 1437, Lowell wrote:I want to vote saru here but the fact that I've been pushing on saru for three days and am still alive makes me think that's bad.
Going to relook at penguin, karnos, bj, and nero, probably in that order. I don't see iron as scum, I think that rant last page was genuine.
No PP is town and so is Saru.In post 1461, Nero Cain wrote:like do you really think scum would pass up the opportunity to hard bus and get town cred here?In post 1383, Foxbird wrote:Thor665 (6) - MathBlade, aronagrundy, PenguinPower, Saru, bji, karnos (LYNCH!)
There's scum within PP, Saru, BJ and Karnos.
If I were to guess it would be PP and Karnos.
I did not say that. *glares*In post 1462, Nero Cain wrote:So you think his "tomorrow is MYLO" is a slip that he knows I'll flip town.In post 1459, MathBlade wrote:You might just be scum ironstone.
Wow that post was horrible. Nero is obvtown.
Scum bussing right out of the gate is a thing too. So yeah...maybe its just Karnos + Iron.