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[MathBlade]

I did read. I read where it said any questions ask in bold. So I did. Missed the addendum.

[MathBlade]

PM ing now.

[Foxbird]

Votecount 4.6

karnos

(3) - MathBlade, Nero Cain, PenguinPower

(L-2!)

Nero Cain

(1) - ironstove

Not Voting

(4) - Saru, bji, Lowell, karnos

With

8

players eligible to vote, it’s

5

to lynch!

Day 4 will end in

(expired on 2016-11-30 07:11:29).

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[MathBlade]

@Karnos when did you get the notification?

Last night. And it wasn't because arona thought he was towny (which is clear in that thread), so not sure why he said that.

Appease me...when last night?

[PenguinPower]

I don't know when he was added exactly, but his first post in the thread was at 8:24a CST.

[PenguinPower]

How is this relevant or informative?

[karnos]

@Karnos when did you get the notification?

Last night. And it wasn't because arona thought he was towny (which is clear in that thread), so not sure why he said that.

It totally was. In posts 5 & 8 he clearly says he is just trying to neighborize town. In post 20 he basically saysd 'who should I do next, karnos?' In 22 you said 'if thor flips scum add karnos'.

Sure, i'll give you that he didn't just say "karnos is obv town so i am adding him", but from the context of the thread he was obviously trying to add the most towny people and the choice to add me came from that line of reasoning.

[karnos]

I mean, what is the alternative narrative? is penguin trying to suggest that aron was recruiting someone he thought was scum, or someone he was unsure of? Why would he even do that?

[karnos]

karnos (3) - MathBlade, Nero Cain, PenguinPower

could it be?

Nero & Penguin scum team?

If town gets reckless and quick-lynches me somehow, please go and lynch Nero tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

I don't know when he was added exactly, but his first post in the thread was at 8:24a CST.

How is this relevant or informative?

It is about determining motive for who would shoot the neighborizer.
If Karnos was added at day start today then that isn't a valid motive.
But if he was added yesterday at start motive exists.

It is a matter of determining what was said in that hood that caused him to die or something out here.

Since scum had daychat that day and if they knew they were going to kill the neighborizer due to the threat of it everyone would have townread him. No reason to scumread a future dead townie.

[PenguinPower]

Fair enough...I missed 20 where he said he was "thinking karnos" and wanted some confirmation. He wasn't making any decisions solely off his own reads, so it wasn't

solely

because arona thought you were townie.

[MathBlade]

@Penguin since you outed yourself as a member when were you added?

[PenguinPower]

I was added at the start of D3.

[PenguinPower]

1 minute before the mod's first post that day.

[karnos]

Why couldn't I just be town and wrong?

vote:Karnos

his hammer to end the day and cut off discussion was scum motivated.

Anyone else notice the obvious fail here?

Nero let day 2 end in a no lynch, but apparently he thinks my early hammer on a scum is scum motivated?

[MathBlade]

Again that isn't an obvious fail.

Having an incorrect belief does not make future scumreads invalid.

So Penguin and Karnos both have motive to eliminate the neighborizer.

[MathBlade]

However if Karnos is scum it implies scum did not have knowledge FA was the tracker but killed him for a reason that was more important than a known neighborizer where as Penguin would have killed to shut it down immediately.

[PenguinPower]

Yeah, but only I had knowledge that he was the neighborizer before he died. Karnos wouldn't have known until he was killed.

[PenguinPower]

However if Karnos is scum it implies scum did not have knowledge FA was the tracker but killed him for a reason that was more important than a known neighborizer where as Penguin would have killed to shut it down immediately.

I think it's obvious scum didn't know FA was the tracker since Thor claimed Tracker. I didn't get added to the neighborhood until after FA died. Karnos didn't get added until after arona died.

[MathBlade]

Then how would Karnos make a post in it since neighborhoods are night only? Does the neighborhood have daychat?

[PenguinPower]

We can post in it at any time. Basically right now we're calling each other scum...just made my last post a few minutes ago, and karnos made some witty retort to an earlier comment about an hour ago.

[MathBlade]

The member added day two are they alive or dead?

[PenguinPower]

The only people added were FA, me, and karnos. FA is dead.

[MathBlade]

That definitely implies Karnos scum.

Karnos Thor + ? (Leaning lowell and stove is being loud) kill FA who greyIce bodyguarded since outed PR.

Karnos was added to neighborhood with FA which made doubly sure FA had to die.

It could be that with bodyguard cleared that they shot FA originally but the fact no one brought up why Thor wasn't dead makes Thor obv scum and Karnos ending the day before I could grill him makes me a bit salty.

[MathBlade]

I thought about claiming this, and I decided to do it because I don't see how it's damaging to the town.
I know I was blocked by role blocked, and not jail keep.
I know this because I was neighborized including with my action failing.

So I highly kind of doubt with what I know about setup that the person who neighborized me is also scum.
That would mean two scum targeted me night one.
which sounds highly doubtful.

This post confirmed the neighborizer as town.

FA being roleblocked means scum have a roleblocker and we know there was an encryptor.

FA I believe did not announce who the neighborizer was. This means that Karnos or Penguin Power are scum without a doubt unless they coincidentally hit one of the lurkiest players.

So it just becomes a matter of which.