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Nobody knows it yet
But I'm gonna solve this game
On day 1
U just take a seat and watch the pro-
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In post 16, mykonian wrote:who wants to talk to me about how gamma's last post was the scummiest in the thread so far?
QUOI??????????
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In fact, his post was better than yours since he didn't force some bullshit IC line at the end.-
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Nice avatarIn post 248, Joshz wrote:I'm josh on ps and smogon and yea smogon mafia is in circus, it's what they call the social games portion (other games are played though most are mafia).
Anyways, mykonian has always felt off to me. Call it confirmation bias but I looked at their iso and it's really... not good. Their interactions with gamma seem potentially SvS, they really aren't selling me, or TvS at the least. Really not getting a TvT vibe. His posts on me are also very weak, and his first post is a great example of long posts w.o content ;^) and most of his posts are just re: gamma or re: me
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Anyways I'm serious about solving this game
There once was a time when MariaR, kraska77, gigabyteTroubadour, and gerryoat were all town. I was town too and they didn't sheep my page 1 scum read the entire game (and list it).
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I just wanted to be your buddy!In post 250, Joshz wrote:If I was vamp I'd bite you qt
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Tbh vig thisIn post 251, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Transcend
Scum claim part 2
got 2 mafia in gerry transcend this game is easy-
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Okay guys... I'm done reading the game whewwwwww *wipes sweat off of brow* okay honestly I wanna share a few thoughts I have. Also I have a few questions for some of you that I want answered thoroughly. Okay here goes.
Maria, RK, josh, kraska, nadr, and EP are all fine members of this town in various degrees. order i listed them is pretty much my confidence in them (though at kraska and below it's basically just *~vibes~*)
not really sure if I want kyouko or mykonian dead more. kyouko's posts all feel needlessly long and don't really say much in the end. feels like newbscum IIaO to me. myko's interactions with maria and josh and lack of any interaction with kyouko are all really bugging me. plus his approach to reading people this game is kinda ick (like the color of his name) and feels disingenuous.
VOTE: Mykonian
waffling on MTD and gamma, and gerry is useless as always. think that's everyone. would expand on any of these if needed but fuck doing that unprompted yknow
kinda sad that there's no one in this game i want to be sassy about... i just compiled a pretty big folder of reaction gifs/pics that i gotta use
i need personal engagement to do shit though so let's do some of that
Kyokou- What did you find "thoughtful" about Mykonian's 12?
- wrt to 98, you should always want to lynch the person you're most suspicious of, especially D1. that's how u get shit done. caring about wagon composition/what the people you're voting with are doing is a little too big-picture thinking for early game to me at least.
- wrt to 100, I agree with your philosophy on D1 wagons, but with the information that was available at the time of your vote there was information to make a more informed vote imo. What are your reads on Gamma and Mykonian?
Mykonian- Could you answer 52? It bugged me too.
- What's your Kyouko read?
- I think I know the site where Josh plays, and what you called hypocrisy (the way he "fencesits", waiting to see what other people do but then calling out lurkers, etc.) is really typical behavior there. Does this impact your read on him?
Joshz- you're from PS! right?? wanna make sure i didn't get that wrong lmfao, i think you said something about circus but i'm under the assumption that PS! = circus = smogon so idk (i haven't been active in that community in years and someone told me that there was a forum mafia community there that i wasn't aware of so)
- wrt to 163, we typically try to genuinely lynch someone right off the bat because that's how you, again, get shit done. i'm assuming you do scumread mykonian, yeah? could you talk to me a little bit more about your read on him either way?
Kraskanumbers- Could you elaborate on your Gamma and MTD reads?
- Sheep me on Mykonian?
Road Kamelot- What felt obvtown about Kyouko's interactions with you? like i kind of get what you said but i might need to go more in-depth because i'm still scumreading him.
- Could you talk about your Gamma read?
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Him doing what you did is 100% NAI it could come from either alignment and the fact that you dismissed it as a scumtell looks really shitty. And not just a scumtell, but the scummiest post in the game?????-
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okay... im actually reading the game now.... PAGE TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS GUY IS TOWN NEVER LYNCH THIS GUY
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Hey Gamma Hi How's it going Buddy
Why did it take EP voting mykonian for u to vote mykonian?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??????
If you thought he slipped....!!!
This was a really bad vote as well, and it was awkwardly timed.In post 33, mykonian wrote:
Because it's a lot easier to make the same post, than have an idea of your own, esspecially if you have to worry about how you look. Which is what scum worry about at the start of the game. Town are swimming.In post 20, MariaR wrote:Gamma's last post is the same type of post myko made and I see no problem with making that post I was tempted to do it myself so PLEASE tell me how that null post is a scummy post when in fact you prob made the most scummy post.
And Gamma rather likes that, having other people have ideas so he can follow them. Maria speaks out, he talks along, explains his actions (ie, defending), EP makes a move (town initiative, start of page 2, yay), Gamma only then dares to make a real vote (scummy, worried about how he looks, waits and sees where people go).
bingo, you are correct. My first post was a blank, it said nothing at all. Why in the world would anyone want to copy a blank post.In post 32, MariaR wrote:
It was the same post is it was 100% useless with no value in saying any of it.In post 31, MTD wrote:I did tell you why i do not think it was the same type of post, let alone "the same exact post".Youget it, because you analyse other peoples posts. Why doesn't Gamma and mindlessly goes with the flow?
vote Gamma
Gun to head this is town.In post 36, XnadrojX wrote:Yay a game which I get to look at before it goes out of RVS.....
Hold on are we out of RVS already in Page 2!?
Dammit.
Spoiler:
And I'll look at people more closely later.
This is a pretty good vote. MTD in the townpile for now.In post 37, MTD wrote:First off: I do not think knowing who already knows who, and more specifically, who has already played with who, is entirely useless info.
That said, the way gamma jumped on that wagon was ridiculous.
VOTE: gamma
Ye this is also town.In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:Hey the Gamma wagon sucks
VOTE: mykonian
Nah i dont know you bud but nice to meetcha, sorry youre scum
For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
Calling the post where he says who he knows bc mykonian did it scum is LOL
OH MAN WAS THIS VOTE BAD OR WHAT!!!!!!!!In post 46, mykonian wrote:
actually, given that after 2 pages RK has gamma's personality pegged and has an explanation for his actions, this smells like buddying. So with that, and on top of that the apology, I feel better here:In post 42, Road Kamelot wrote:For those who dont get it what mykonian is doing is spinning Gammas actions as scummy when its just Gamma seeing something he agrees with and going w it, which is a rly standard newb thing and not even a newb thing its a thing a certian kind of person just tends to do in mafia
And its ignorng what mykonian noted himself namely Gamma being relatively new
vote Kamelot
EP NOOOOOIn post 47, Errantparabola wrote:Thought about trying to box myko in a bit more but theres no need, hes one of the townier people in the game rn
VOTE: kamelot
Sheep myko for great justice?
okay hi okay hi okay.....
No longer feel gut!town on Gamma, I actually literally already see how people think that myko/Gamma might be distancing. Myko evaded the Gamma lynch really fast tohorriblyplace a vote on Road.
SO HERE BE DA REAADSZZZZ
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Gamma has no idea how to read me, but he might be scum so it's irrelevant.
Hey guys... thoughts on my page 2 reads???????
PEDIT: I don't see how it's a scumslip??? Just really scummy, maybe, but a scumslip is a bit too much to say?-
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That reads list was based off of page 2. U hadn't even posted yet. I don't think.In post 290, Joshz wrote:y-you forgot me? b-but I thought we were buddies D:-
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I'm only on page 2. Calm the f*** down. You had a bad start. I MIGHT change my mind on you as I read further in to the game.In post 297, mykonian wrote:Transcend is coming into here with a Mission. Last catchup had 2 townreads and the rest was related to me being scum. Not a fan, in both ways you can read that.-
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HOLD ON LET ME FINISH READING THERS BEEN LIKE 5000 VOTES ON GAMMA DONT FUCKING HAMMER TIL IM DONE READING-
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In post 57, Rem wrote:
Ye Gamma gets town points for thisIn post 53, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was doing just fine defending myself
This may be a town post the more I think about it. It is one of those posts I'd imagine scum wouldn't make because of how awkward it looks.I agree, hence why he went down in my reads quite a bit.
Yeah, this is town lmfao.In post 61, Joshz wrote:I'm batman jsyk
I also like Rem and what she had to say, and I've been townreading Giga as well for what I've skimmed of this game.
Alrighty. Here goes.
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This is a genuinely awful vote as well -_-In post 89, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 69, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
If someone is town and they get called scummy for a NAI post I feel like it's in bad form to just jump on a wagon forming against the player that called you out. It looks defensive to me. It's natural to be defensive though so maybe he's just behaving normally.In post 43, Road Kamelot wrote:Lol are u bein srs because jumping on a small wagon on someone who called an innocent post of yours scummy is exactly what town should do on page fuckin 2
That being said, it's my understanding that wagons need to form to get people talking and it can only be a good thing that they're getting going. Everyone seems null still
I never implied Gamma was town in that post. I specified thatIn post 76, MTD wrote:Ok my biggest problem with that post is that heimpliesgamma to be town.
And then says everyone is null.ifGamma were town, that it would be in bad form to do what he did. I think it would be reasonable to think that Gamma is either scummy for for being overly defensive or towny for trying to get wagons (and therefore discussions) forming. This is why I clarified at the end of my post that everyone still feels null to me.
As I explained above, players need to join wagons to get discussion going. The discussion we are having now is helpful to the town. Players can see how we interact with one another, and see how other players choose to interpret the words they read. I believe scumslips are when scum interpret things differently than town do, and these discussions lead to town being able to form reads on other players based on how they think.In post 77, Road Kamelot wrote:
But its cool to join a wagon on a player because of an NAI postIn post 69, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
If someone is town and they get called scummy for a NAI post I feel like it's in bad form to just jump on a wagon forming against the player that called you out. It looks defensive to me. It's natural to be defensive though so maybe he's just behaving normally.In post 43, Road Kamelot wrote:Lol are u bein srs because jumping on a small wagon on someone who called an innocent post of yours scummy is exactly what town should do on page fuckin 2
That being said, it's my understanding that wagons need to form to get people talking and it can only be a good thing that they're getting going. Everyone seems null still
You joined the Gamma wagon but didnt agree with the case??? lol
VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko
EBWOP: misrepped* (misrepresented) First MTD, then RK misrepresented my posts. MTD realized that he made a mistake interpreting my post but even after the mistake was pointed out, RK pushed at it instead of accepting that she may have made a mistake.In post 78, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I joined the gamma wagon because a wagon has to form to move the game somewhere. I'm being misstepped right now. Will explain once I'm off phone in a few minutes
I never said that it was scummy for Gamma to join the myko wagon, but I think someone else said almost those exact words, so this is a somewhat excusable interpretation.In post 79, Road Kamelot wrote:
So then why was it scummy for Gamma to join the mykonian wagon in your opinionIn post 78, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I joined the gamma wagon because a wagon has to form to move the game somewhere. I'm being misstepped right now. Will explain once I'm off phone in a few minutes
Thats building wagons
MTD hit the nail on the head. He spotted that you were implying that I had said things that I did not say. You also dug yourself deeper and deeper into misrepresenting me when I had clearly posted above that I would explain when I got home off the phone soon.In post 87, Road Kamelot wrote:
If it was bull Kyouko would have said my intepretation was wrong and we go from thereIn post 86, MTD wrote:because your question had the baseline that he said it was scummy which is bullshit.
Instead u decide to attack my questioning of the player youre voting
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Hi,In post 113, Road Kamelot wrote:
Not answeredIn post 52, Road Kamelot wrote:mykonian why buddying and not chainsaw
When someone rushes to defend my scumread i dont normally respond by townreading the scumread
So he's town nowIn post 107, mykonian wrote:aww man, you keep trying to do what the cool kids do
stop it, you are making me itch to dislike you.
Gamma/mykonian scum calling it
MTD is ok I guess
Stuck to his guns on kyouko after all which tbh i wasnt sure if i expected
Still not sure if I believe youre actually scumreading him w how youre talkin to him but eh your logic is fine
Meanwhile
VOTE: mykonian
107 is all u need
Josh and backwards jordan town
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My answers:In post 149, Gamma Emerald wrote:RQS Time!
1) What roles do you like? What roles do you not like?
2) What is a behavior you would lynch if the person who did it was a null read?
3) Who, if town, would you trust with your vote?
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In post 158, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also: dammit XnadrojX dat sig tho
AYYYYYY I JUST!!!!! SAW THIS!!!!!!!!
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In post 325, MTD wrote:
They were just very low effort.In post 321, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:why were rem's posts scummy?
Looking back, this might be kind of unfair actually, since illness and all that, i didnt really realize that as much back then :S.
So yea, after going over it again, pretty null.
have u tried reading giga yet?
i think it's kinda shitty you're basing your read on a slot that wasn't dominant in the slot at all.
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In post 328, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao
gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?
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Okay.
Done reading I kinda got lazy and skimmed the rest.
Some thoughts.
EP and Road solid town, more sure about EP than Road, but I'm fairly sure they're both, to quote a recently banned user, "town-aligned"
Rem's only post she made was really good. I had the same thought and the post Gamma made turned my read on him back to the gut!town read I had before. I like Giga's catch-up and they questions they asked. So Giga/Rem slot pretty town.
Joshz is definitely town here as well, his play is 100% genuine. I'd be surprised as hell if they flipped scum.
Nadroj is also FAIRLY town but I'm not gonna put them too high on my reads list.
Sorry mykonian, but I don't see anythign that makes me really want to change my mind about what I saw from you earlier. Your votes don't look genuine, I don't think you're genuinely advancing through the game.
MariaR/Gerryoat has at least one scum, it might've been scum theatre, idk. Gerry usually tries a lot more as scum, but I'm not gonna hard townread him for being lazy this game. MariaR has had some towny lines, but idk her recent progression is pretty bleh. She hasn't really given much input on the whole Myko/Road/Gamma debacle and focused more on vanity wagons. This isn't an alignment tell honestly.
Kraska needs to do more, but I think she's town for right now and her play looks really town motivated.
I really liked a lot of what MTD had to say.
SSBM had a good page one, but that's it. The rest of his play gives me a sick feeling in my stomach.
Pretty sure Gamma's town after all the events that went down.
RN I feel safe with--
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this is actually a pretty bad post btw and jordan can move into the scum pile.In post 301, XnadrojX wrote:Uh ok, sorry for posting less than I wished to in the past few days,gonna post a little more soon.
As for my reads, on the scum side Gerryoat had weird reactions to votes on him, but I can't really find anyone else particularly scummy (bar Transcend trolling)
On the nullish side, Gamma and My go here their arguments look more to me like drunk Town v another drunk Town.
On the Town side, I think gigabyteTroubadour has been Townish since he subbed in. I also think I would trust MariaR when it comes down to it.
As for the rest, they're mostly very slight reads that I feel will easily sway and therefore will not post here
i think ssbm/myk both being mafia is a bit too easy and i don't see it. i knew one of my townreads was wrong it's probably this one.
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@RK
In post 319, Transcend wrote:
Hi,In post 113, Road Kamelot wrote:
Not answeredIn post 52, Road Kamelot wrote:mykonian why buddying and not chainsaw
When someone rushes to defend my scumread i dont normally respond by townreading the scumread
So he's town nowIn post 107, mykonian wrote:aww man, you keep trying to do what the cool kids do
stop it, you are making me itch to dislike you.
Gamma/mykonian scum calling it
MTD is ok I guess
Stuck to his guns on kyouko after all which tbh i wasnt sure if i expected
Still not sure if I believe youre actually scumreading him w how youre talkin to him but eh your logic is fine
Meanwhile
VOTE: mykonian
107 is all u need
Josh and backwards jordan town
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wellIn post 359, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Gonna get on computer soon to look back on why people are voting mykonian. I am still curious why you think my vote on RK was awful though. Not sure if you ignored my question intentionally or not.In post 347, Transcend wrote:Wagonomics suggest that mykonian is an infinitely better lynch than Gamma Emerald
The way I see it, RK did things that, to me, looked scummy. You see my vote as awful, so it stands to reason that you don't think her actions were scummy. What's your opinion on that interaction? I want to trust you, but I know my own alignment. Convince me RK isn't scummy.
i don't think her defense on gamma was scummy?
i think her vote on myko was pretty good, and she has some of the same thoughts as me this game.
honestly i dunno man this game is hard. you're PROBABLY town even though you're kinda scummy. idk idk.
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In post 364, Road Kamelot wrote:Transcend, Kyouko, josh, all town. Need to read everyone else and ive been posting on negative time hahaha
Time to go see yall tomorrow
Pedit I remember hating his first two votes
Sure....
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EBWOP.In post 365, Transcend wrote:I'm feeling something like mykonian and 2/3 of MariaR/gerryoat/XnadrojX.-
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3.In post 369, Joshz wrote:Fuck it w.e
SSBM: earlier you said I'm onto gamma. What did you mean by this?
Everyone else: are there likely 3 or 4 scum? I don't know how it's usually set up here-
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Who's scum with Road Kamelot?
Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.
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You're right.In post 373, MariaR wrote:Reason I'm not talking much is I feel like shit today and everything I read goes out the other ear but that's not really a good excuse.
It isn't.
Rest of your game looks bleh as well.
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can agree with you about MariaR.In post 377, mykonian wrote:
Kraska I remember as being much more involved in the game I modded with her. You (transcend) have come into this game reading the first 2 pages, then making it all about me and how you want to vote me, then skimmed the next 12 and are set on lynching, doesn't look town. Josh I still haven't seen anything from and he's getting a free pass, null leaning scum. Same for gerry but he's simply not here, less intimidating. Maria would be my blind spot scum, she got off to a good start sounding reasonable, and hasn't really been challenged along the way, they tend to trip me up. Same goes for MTD, but less pronounced. Doesn't help that I like him. I think I have gamma pegged, EP looked towniest, the rest takes time.In post 372, Transcend wrote:ho's scum with Road Kamelot?
Surely you have other scumreads besides her... tell me what you're thinking.
so you have all these scumreads or at least "non-townreads" and it took me questioning your motives to out all of these???-
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i disagree
i read people by seeing if their thought process throughout the game is genuine
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Idk this game just needs to play out a bit more, it's still early yet.
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Joshz:
How do you read for scum?
PEDIT: MariaR scumming it up more and more, page by page.
There's been some awful votes this game, but that vote on Josh was just inexcusable.
VOTE: MariaR-
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XnadrojX how confident are you that your vote is still on scum?
How was my initial trolling alignment indicative?-
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