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Pretty much my exact thoughts.In post 183, Lowell wrote:Aron reads more newbtown than flailing scum to me.
Alpaca is either playing stupid or really is just stupid. Same goes for iron. One is probably scum though, in my experience. I'll let time tell which one it is.
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No. Were you actually confused by Nero's read list? Genuine question. Because it seemed pretty damn obvious that he just copied it from the mod.In post 198, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Am i stupid because I said I scumread you? Or something else
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The Nero reads list thing. Do you actually think he put himself in second place on purpose?In post 199, ironstove wrote:Could you go into detail on why you think are Alpaca and I are playing 'stupid'? Is there anything you can provide specifically to the table besides this post?
Also, you indicated in the post above that you believe one of us is probably scum, so why are you now voting for tracer? Do you still think this game is in RVS or are you scum reading the tracer slot? If yes on the SR, then why?
I'm voting for Tracer because they need to speak up, not because I have a SR on them. I'm curious as to who they think is scum since they want to vote so many people.
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Well he moved people based on his read of them, no? The numbers from the mod's list were still there. Notice that they are in numerical order. He's second because he is #3 and Lmk is #1 from the original list. That's all.In post 204, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Also he reorganized the list, like he didnt just psot the list he moved people around, so why not take himself out or put himself on top
As to your point about why not take himself out: this might be a good read. Consensus is, is that it's pretty much null to put yourself in a town list.Currently Playing:
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I get what your saying Alpaca. All I wanted to know is if you scum read him because of that, and it seems your answer is no. So that's fine.
Quick note though: can you type a little more clear? No offense, but no periods or commas makes it hard for me to read your posts. Thanks.Currently Playing:
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Karnos is on the scummy side of null. Hasn't posted all too much, but when he does, mainly one liners.In post 253, PenguinPower wrote:And what do you think of karnos?
That is an open question to everyone.
@Karnos: Why do you think Tracer is scum besides what iron said?
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Karnos, I remember you saying this exact thing as scum in our first game together. You say you don't have any scum reads(and clearly aren't making an effort to scum hunt) but also that you wouldn't call out who you read as town until they were wagoned. In other words, you're going to lurk and be dead weight for the town until someone you want lynched gets wagoned.In post 341, karnos wrote:Sharing town reads gives scum a road map to victory.
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In post 358, karnos wrote:I'm not sure how anyone can say that that play was similar to my refuse to share irrelevant reads in this game. I doubt saru would pull this BS as scum, because it's so easy to prove wrong, yet nevertheless he is spewing BS that makes no logical sense. I think he is just town that was sore from losing mini 1800 and wants to get me lynched so there is no chance of being fooled again. Unfortunetly, I am town this game, so he is just hurting town by pushing to lynch me.Persivul wrote:Why don't you surprise us all with a reads list?
From Mini 1800. So yes, you did say this. Also, the argument that I would want to lynch you because I'm "sore" from losing to you is silly and egotistic. You didn't even do anything in 1800, that was all Math coaching you. If anything, I wouldn't be sore because I beat Math just recently as scum in my previous game, so I guess I got my revenge?Karnos wrote:Perhaps I will. I don't like giving a full road map to scum...
Also, nice strawman. I clearly said you're not scum hunting this game but are also not willing to provide town reads this game. So you're doing nothing. You're just sitting there, twiddling your thumbs, probably waiting for a town player to get wagoned to hop on.Currently Playing:
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The bolded has nothing to do with what I've been saying, but ok?In post 372, karnos wrote:Yeah okay, you are way over-invested in this because of past games.BTW, your memory is faulty, MathBlade was trying to bus me all game, certainly didn't push to defend me in any way at all.
The fact that you mention beating Math laterproveshad something to make up for after that loss, and nailing me would be obviously #2 on that list. TBH I'm tempted right here to just throw and let town lynch me, because seeing you screw up the game would be satisfying from a personal perspective, but to play to my win condition it would be a terrible play. And then there is the edge case where scum!Saru risks it all because of a personal vendetta against me, it would be a utter fail to let you get me miss-lynched in that case.
And you are wrong. I am scum hunting, I'm sorry if you aren't observant enough to realize that. Sometimes the best way to catch scum is to dangle a bit of bait.
You have some really dumb arguments. Actually, all you're doing is discrediting me as a person, not refuting my arguments. I'm wrong about you because I have a "personal vendetta"? wtf? I don't even have anything against you. By your logic, I should never push a player who beat me as scum in future games because my judgement would be clouded? Like, what?
The only reason I mention Math is because I'm trying to prove a point that even if your argument about "vendetta" had any merit, it would be disproven by that. You brought it up first, genius.
Also, #2? wtf!? lmfao! I guess I should start seeking out Magna too to make sure I get my personal revenge on him? You really sound foolish, you're doing nothing to help the town, and just seeking to discredit me but not my arguments. You need rope. Badly.
"I have no problem saying my scum reads, but hey, here's a post where I don't put out scum reads." LOLkarnos wrote:I have no problem at all with the sharing of scum reads, by all means spill your guts: who are your scum reads, alpaca*2?Currently Playing:
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This is a terrible over-reaction, and feels fake as fuck.In post 372, karnos wrote:TBH I'm tempted right here to just throw and let town lynch me, because seeing you screw up the game would be satisfying from a personal perspective, but to play to my win condition it would be a terrible play.Currently Playing:
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You clearly don't know the difference between being coached and being bussed. Yes, Math bussed the shit out of you, but that has nothing to do with the fact that she coached your play throughout. In fact, it has nothing to do with what I've been saying. She literally would fix minute details of your posts and read lists to make them more townie-friendly. Her bussing you means nothing. That was her doing things to make herself look more townie because of site meta.In post 375, karnos wrote:Oh come one now, we aren't that stupid. "You didn't even do anything in 1800, that was all Math coaching you. " Is there some other interpretation to that other than you trying to implie that I only survived until endgame and won as scum (with a single loss of my team for that matter) was because MathBlade carried me. Yet he was busing me the whole game, so the implication in your post is an obvious lie. Yes, you are being careful to not directly lie, but instead you are making statements that are only actually relevant if you make assumptions that aren't actually true.
The dumb argument is that you think I'm pushing you because I'm mad about the loss, and you're still pushing that line of attack. That is not an argument for why you're town, but only an argument to discredit me as a person. As scum, it's in your best interest to just discredit when you don't have an argument. And I'm not using meta to call you scum. Forget for a moment that I even mentioned Mini 1800. How about what I said about your play this game with you doing nothing? You have time to respond to my posts accusing you, but can't muster up the time to scum-hunt or put out reads? I don't think so.Okay, that sounds like something worth talking about, instead of this irrelevant meta-gaming argument that I must be scum. What are my dumb arguments, from this game?
What? Are you even reading what I said? I said that your argument of personal vendetta is total nonsense and I was making a mostly jokish remark about beating Math, therefore having gotten my "revenge." It was a poke at your silly argument. See: the laughing emote at the end of that sentence.How can you be so oblivious? I brought it up without having any idea whatsover that you later "beat" MathBlade in another game. I was guessing it might be a personal vendetta, you confirmed my guess. If I brought it up and I was wrong you wouldn't have confirmed my statement by admitting that were apparently keeping score.
Yes, now this is what scum does. More attacks on character. Guess what buddy, there are things called archives. You can go back and read games from the past, surprise, I know!Magna? Wow, you memorized the whole scumteam from that game. More evidence that it apparently hit really hard when you got that loss.
So your excuse for not scum hunting is because you wouldn't be very accurate? I guess we should all just stop scum hunting then and wait until the deadline? Like, that is no excuse. No one is perfect, myself included. Yes, you might be wrong, so what? Atleast you tried. Or would you rather be a dead weight all game?Yeah, sorry I care more about quality than quantity. Your scum read of me is dead wrong, might want to fix your radar. I mean if I wanted to act like Saru I could give a handful of scum reads based on idiotic meta observations, but they wouldn't be very accurate.Currently Playing:
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If it helps your ego, then sure, you totally helped your team win the game man. Totally. Again, this discussion isn't really relevant to what I'm talking about and just serves as a distraction.In post 385, karnos wrote:Doesn't this sound ridiculous to anyone else?
MathBlade busing me meant an extra vote on me. My other scum partner was also busing me much of the game. And you STILL failed to get me lynched- in fact you decided I was a good target to recruit as a mason, and you killed yourself trying to recruit me. I guess that is why you are still sore about it.
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For the record, MathBlade didn't want me to claim Neapolitan, yet I did because I knew it was a decent play. It saved me from lynch day 1, and every day after. Apparently it fooled you too. Feel free to continue to blame the loss on MathBlade, but saying I did "nothing" that game is just pure ignorance.
It's you saying "don't listen to anything Saru has to say about me because his judgement is clouded from a previous game!" Besides that just being a flail argument, that is also an attempt to discredit me, and not arguing against my arguments. It basically tries to invalidate any point I try to make on you with a broad brush.You are really not paying attention. I thought you were town, sore about the loss. How in any way is that me discrediting you as a person?
I know for a fact you're lying here about my meta because from Mini 1800 it should be clear that the latter is more town!Saru. I literally posted like a half a page wall on Dierfire in 1800 and I didn't let down on him until he was lynched. And even when he flipped town, I didn't stop walling on people. As town, I'm pretty damn out there because as scum I'm too scared of being lynched to get into wall arguments with people. My last game as scum is a good example of that. I lurked 24/7 basically.But the way you have started obsessing over this and trying to defend your obvious lies makes me think that maybe you are scum, and you don't dare admit where you lied. Town!Saru could just say saru for the misteak, I was wrong. Scum!Saru has to won the argument, as wrong as it is, and push it until you get your miss lynch. This is looking like the later.
Can you flail a little less? Thanks. Point to a post where I said I was reading old games of you? I've not read a single old game of yours. Everything I've been saying when it comes to past things is in reference to 1800, if you haven't noticed, since that's the only game we've played together. So you're either lying or you're so scared to be lynched that you're just typing without thinking. Either way, you're scum.If it's nonsense why are you so focused on it? Why are you keeping score? Why are you re-reading old games of mine? Are you reading through old games for everyone in the game... 12 players *X games each.. where do you have the time? Or is this just a personal vendetta against me?
You need to learn how to read properly. Go look at what that "archives" point was responding to.Yes you can. My question is why just me? If you are legitimately scum hunting, you should be reading through everyone's games or no ones games. Why are you hyper focused on me?
You voted someone by sheeping another person who you thought was town. Nice scum hunting skillz. Also, scum now knows that you town read iron. Good job, you just handed them the game. /sarcasmI'm voting someone. Are you reading the tracer/thor slot as town? Why not talk about that if you have issue with my scum hunting?
Funny. What happened to my "personal vendetta?" Guess that argument of yours was BS after all lmfao.I don't think sharing town reads is pro-town. That is my stance, period. That doesn't mean I am not scum hunting, quit trying to put lies into my mouth. That is what scum does. You are quickly eroding the bias-town read I had of you and turning it into a malicious-scum read.Currently Playing:
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A positive how? This doesn't line up at all with what you've been saying about sharing town reads being a road to victory for scum. You're molding your original stance into something new to avoid being called a hypocrite. Sad.In post 414, karnos wrote:In the case of voting you and following iron's lead it was a clear case, at least to me, where sharing my town read of him was overall a positive.Currently Playing:
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No. My point is that I don't have any vendetta or bias against you. Like it just doesn't exist and there's no proof you've provided that it exists. You being the scum though, you are just love to twist my words. You keep trying to make it sound like I think your scum from some non-existent bias. Like, again, what is the bias? You're making no sense and 2 people have pointed that out now. Like, why would I have bias because I lost something? I'm clearly scum reading you because I think you're scum. You've done scummy shit. You make it sound like I didn't sleep for weeks or something after I lost 1800. Like I'm traumatized or something. It's fucking hilarious but also sad. Get a real argument besides discrediting, then respond to me.In post 418, karnos wrote:LOL, it's not about my ego. Your whole point was you didn't care about losing to me because you didn't think I did anything to cause you to lose. That is, you were trying to make it sound like you have no reason to be bias against me. After changing your story, you now have a reason to be bias. I get the obvious sarcasm, but sarcasm can just be a convenient way for you to avoid answering a hard question truthfully when you know the answer paints you as a liar.
Why do you have to act so oblivious? Clearly it wasn't a quote from you, otherwise I would have quoted the actual post, genius. It's in quotes because it's basically what you're trying to say about me. It's the idea. I apparently have a bias and clouded judgement towards you. Or is that not what you're saying and you've been BS'ing this whole time? Which one is it?What post of mine is that quote from? Don't misrepresent me, don't use quote marks if you are not actually quoting me, that is the same as lying.
I mean sure it is a flail argument, but it's one I didn't make so what is your point?
You keep talking about me making an error in my judgement of you, but then you say it's because I have a bias. If I have a bias of you no matter what, then does that mean I should never judge you this entire game? I should never town/scum read you because I'm biased? Think about what you're saying. By your logic, no matter what, you'd have to be null for me for the entire game.I'm not claiming anything about your meta. If you are town and you want to win, and you made an obvious error in an accusation, you should realize that the scum read based on an error is leading you astray. It has nothing to do with your meta, it has to do with fucking basic logic. If your initial assumptions are wrong, your result is going to come out wrong as well. The fact that you instead keep trying to twist things around and move your goalposts show that you don't see me as scum because of my refusal to share reads, but instead you just decided I was scum (or an easy miss lynch) and are making up reasons after the fact.
And what assumptions have I made that are wrong? That you're not scum hunting? That you're a hypocrite? Have you proven me wrong? No, you haven't.Currently Playing:
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wtf? So then you disproved yourself in regards to your stance of never sharing town reads, since it was clearly a benefit for you.In post 421, karnos wrote:
Let me explain it to you like you are five.In post 417, Saru wrote:
A positive how?In post 414, karnos wrote:In the case of voting you and following iron's lead it was a clear case, at least to me, where sharing my town read of him was overall a positive.
Karnos votes Thor.
Someone asks why.
Karnos says "no reason".
Karnos gets lynched, Karnos flips town.
That is a net negative, in any measure. You can try to twist my words around as much as you want, as long as the town players are smart enough to see through your misrepresentation I don't think I have anything to worry about.
Also, the above quote shows to me that you didn't actually have a reason to vote Thor, did you? You had to find one, which was sheeping iron because he was townie. In other words, you don't really think Thor is scum. Just needed a reason to hop onto the biggest wagon at the time.Currently Playing:
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Or you seem to have a consistency and hypocrisy problem. The quote that you bolded has 0 to do with you sheeping Iron because you town read him.In post 428, karnos wrote:You are Saru both seem to have a major reading comprehension problem.
"if someone was getting wagoned hard and I thought they were town, I'd speak up. And when the game progresses it'll be nice to compare reads to find the final scum by PoE, but my general philosophy is that sharing all information at all times is anti-town."
You read my post above and still believe sharing a single town read for a reason is inconsistent with it, you are scum. Saru is your partner. No other explanation.
"if someone was getting wagoned hard and I thought they were town, I'd speak up."
You weren't speaking up about a town player being wagoned, so this has nothing to do with what Thor and I are talking about.
"And when the game progresses it'll be nice to compare reads to find the final scum by PoE, but my general philosophy is that sharing all information at all times is anti-town."
And there was no need to share your read on Iron today because the game hasn't progressed yet. It's still D1, so why do it if it's anti-town? You literally just claimed to be anti-town.Currently Playing:
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Yup, you just confirmed to me your scum.In post 432, karnos wrote:That is what my stance actually was, and still is. Notice how I said I would speak up in some cases, and reveal town reads as the game progresses? That is the opposite of "never sharing town reads".
Simply put, I caught you in a lie and now you are trying to move the goal posts and change the subject. Nice try scum. Enjoy your rope.
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"if someone was getting wagoned hard and I thought they were town, I'd speak up."
But the situation your ass was caught in was sheeping Iron, who you gave a town read to. Iron wasn't being wagoned, so he didn't have to be revealed to be a town read by you. So you aren't even consistent in your own stance.
If Iron was being wagoned and you said "Nah guys chill, he's town and I town read him" then we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's not what happened. Your scum. kthxbai.Currently Playing:
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That's not at all my logic here, but, man, you're flailing hard, I see.karnos wrote:In post 433, Saru wrote:
You said:
"if someone was getting wagoned hard and I thought they were town, I'd speak up."
But the situation your ass was caught in was sheeping Iron, who you gave a town read to. Iron wasn't being wagoned, so he didn't have to be revealed to be a town read by you. So you aren't even consistent in your own stance.
If Iron was being wagoned and you said "Nah guys chill, he's town and I town read him" then we wouldn't be having this discussion. That's not what happened. Your scum. kthxbai.Spoiler: saru logic
Now back to reality, you aren't a liar because you did something you didn't say you would do. You are a liar if you do something you said you wouldn't do.
If I had said something like "I will never share a single scum read". then you might have a valid point.
If.
But if I didn't say that? (Hint: I didn't). Your argument is bullshit.
You said you didn't want to give town reads because it would give scum a road map to victory. If this is true, you had no reason to state that you town read Iron just because you wanted to vote Thor/Tracer. You could have said anything along the lines of "Tracer just feels scummy" or "Iron makes good points about her." Instead, you did that which you apparently hate doing, when you didn't need to do it at all. Which also shows you don't actually believe what you yourself are saying about town reads. You're fine with giving them when it fits your scum agenda.Currently Playing:
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Except what you did, didn't meet the exception you had laid out(340), and I've proven this already in 430. Unless you have more exceptions that you want to start making up on the spot? Be my guest.In post 470, karnos wrote:The problem being, I NEVER said that I wouldn't share a single town read. I specifically said that sharing all information was anti-town, but then I gave several examples of exceptions to that. I actually didn't think it would be necessary to spell out an exception in something I was already doing, but I guess scum can be pedantic and their arguments.
If the Karnos wagon doesn't go through, the Knight wagon also isn't too shabby. I could excuse his reasons for voting Karnos(seeing as others had pretty much the same reasons), but the fact that he tries to lay the groundwork for a Lmk lynch tomorrow is troubling. Arona makes a good point here:
@Karnos: Not sure if I missed it, but what's your view on Knight?In post 449, aronagrundy wrote:When he says he'll go after lmk tomorrow (this is all assuming a karnos lynch here) he's giving himself an excuse to post irrelevant content (if karnos flips town) or just jump on the lmk wagon (if karnos flips scum).Currently Playing:
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You don't say?In post 471, karnos wrote:So what? It's still the correct play to lynch your top scum reads, even if it's unlikely they are all scum.Currently Playing:
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Sadly, you have Karnos voting twice. His vote is still on me, IIRC.In post 505, Foxbird wrote:I am also praying to the Mafia deities that I didn't fuck up the VC this time.
I can actually see Knight for scum here. His posts have been lacking and just disappointing. I'll think about Karnos later.
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Congrats, you just figured out my town meta.In post 512, GreyICE wrote:That's not good play, and that's very emotional play.Currently Playing:
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Analytical? Not really. I mean, yes, a little, but I'm a lot more emotional. Did you not see me essentially get into a fight with my mason partner lmfao. Shit was real bad.In post 514, GreyICE wrote:Nah, no, that's not it. I modded a game with you in it, I got to read you. You posted a shitton, both in the thread and in the mason QT, and you're a hell of a lot more analytical than all that.
And you bet I tunneled hard. I took Persivul on for a while, and I basically had to be pulled away by Mecha. I spent a while calling qubixes scum and then Dier scum. All flipped town. Mostly solism on my part.
As for the rest of the game - I'd say maybe Thor taking advantage of me on Karnos? Been thinking about that ever since Karnos mentioned it. He's basically stolen what I've been saying about Karnos and presented it as his own, perhaps to get me to keep going.
Actual scum reads are Thor and Knight. Karnos is something I need to think about, but leaning town. Lowell is also creeping up my scum-dar for some shit tier posts. Not sure about you yet.
Nero hasn't done much as of late, so I'd like to see more from him. Alpaca is in narnia. Same with LMK. Arona is all over the place, but most of the votes she makes go towards Knight, so that makes me think town. malp is a non-factor.
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Oh, you bet I give a shit and care here, otherwise I wouldn't even care to fight with Karnos.In post 516, GreyICE wrote:I'm not saying it was great play, but man, you were giving a shit and caring.
Here you're telling me you parked your vote for 7 days on someone you don't even think is scum? I mean fucking seriously, you parked your vote for seven days on someone you didn't even think was a scumread, and what woke you up to this was... what? My deep and compelling arguments based on my first impressions of who I was reading?
No, I thought Karnos was scum for maybe a couple of days. But recently, I've thought about why Thor is basically taking up my argument and trying to use it against Karnos. Like I'm not ego-tistic, upon re-read, I can see me being superficial in my arguments against Karnos. I don't feel great about Karnos, but I feel even worse about Thor right now.
As for what arguments, basically everything. The part about Karnos being hypocritical based on the iron townread and the exception and all that. He's just more articulate with them.
You play somewhat of a role in my decision to vote Knight. I stated that I think Knight is scum before you came in, but you coming in with fresh eyes kind of makes me feel better about it. I'm voting the scum read that has more votes atm.
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I'm almost 100% on Thor being scum here. His push on Karnos is all kinds of bad, and I don't see how he doesn't see it. Like I get the hypocrisy that Karnos is doing(I've pointed it out like 3 times now myself), but it isn't anything damning, and it just feels really nit-picky at this point.
Also, Lowell is acting like crazy kinds of different from another game I played with him where he was town. He's isn't as...verbose? Or he just doesn't explain things as much. His lurking fits the pattern from the other game though, so I can't say much about that.
I think Fire is probably town. I can see Grey's concern about my play compared to 1800, but I've changed a bit since then, and so I don't see his tunnel on me as scum necessarily, but just really stupid. Which makes me wonder: is Grey really this stupid? ehhh...
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That's the million dollar question. I have a feeling my wagon will be pushed through simply due to time constraints, which would be unfortunate.
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I understand that I'm lacking in thoughts. Trust me, I don't dispute that. But, I don't really have ALL that much to say. Like, I gave who I thought was town and scum in a previous post and that hasn't really changed. I would argue there are players who are more lacking than me in that regard, and so it seems to be more of a meta argument against me more than anything else.In post 664, Fire Assassin wrote:
My read on you is actually because of 1800 as well.In post 662, Saru wrote:I think Fire is probably town. I can see Grey's concern about my play compared to 1800, but I've changed a bit since then, and so I don't see his tunnel on me as scum necessarily, but just really stupid. Which makes me wonder: is Grey really this stupid? ehhh...
Its a very different style of play, and you do seem to be lacking in thought in your posts.
Want to go into a bit more, just for old times?
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I guess maybe because I feel like I try to explain too hard, I'll just start walling and have them skipped over. Note what I said about walls in my link to the other game. I'm not good at being concise, but I feel it's better to get people to understand you better. Maybe I've become too concise lmfao. Pendulum swinging the other way too quickly, essentially.In post 670, Fire Assassin wrote:So I am just wondering why the change in style, if I may ask?
I thought Knight was scummy because most of his latter posts before replace out was just a bunch of obvious observational comments that seemed like filler. This one sticks out in particular:
And everything before that was just Knight replying to people who had questions for him or made comments about him rather than any real contribution, and then he points out "oh but I'm contributing more than others" which was lol.In post 342, Knighty Knight wrote:@Alpaca in response to 329.
Malpascp hasn't said anything since page 4 and what he did say wasn't very useful (fair enough given where we were at that time). He pretty much coasted through RVS and stopped posting after voting Alpaca and saying he didn't like Penguins signature which, on that topic, he has a 7-0 as scum, maybe by doing exactly what he is doing rn (unless of course that WL is faked). He hasn't called V/LA so unless he's dead irl, he is probably waiting for people to forget about him, which we did. Possible scum waiting till the iron (not the player) is hot to strike.
Saru also hasn't said anything (besides page 1 RVS) until 197 8 pages later... As for his argument in 316 he is pretty much doing the same thing, his 7 posts except for a few were asking about Iron's code. So Saru has like 2 or 3 posts that had some substance but the thing about Tracer was already an idea at that point, so more like 1 or 2 substantial posts. Still null on Saru, really just hasn't said enough to give me an opinion either way.
Lowell has said barely anything including RVS which, to be fair, he was trying to help out but after that, he went silent except for a post calling my read on Arona "opportunistic" which, after I explained he went back to being silent. Lowell also hasn't really said a whole lot, like... less than anyone else... and with less content as well. So I am going to have to sit null on Lowell as well, have nothing to base an opinion off of.
Tracer, hmmm, I guess the main issue with her is the whole 95 which everyone is already very familiar with. While she has posted a little more on who, there wasn't much why. So as I said and 311 I will be voting Tracer because she hasn't said anything explaining her choices and it is near the end of friday. If she gives me a good reason to unvote her by midnight I might unvote.
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Sure.In post 674, Fire Assassin wrote:Can you go more into transition on karnos is def scum to not liking Thor for his push?
Initially I felt Karnos was scum because of what he said about sharing town reads, which felt like an excuse to just not give town reads at all, and then he also said he didn't have any particular scum reads either. So it mainly felt he was just making excuses for not wanting to do anything. It got even worse when he revealed that he read Iron as town and was therefore willing to vote with Iron, which seemed to go against his stated views and exception to those views.
But then Thor came in and he started to make similar or pretty much the same arguments that I was getting at, which made me feel a bit paranoid that he was buddying me or taking advantage. Karnos pointed out this possibility:
And ever since then I've been somewhat paranoid about Thor. Notice how I don't really push Karnos after that. Usually my arguments are pretty emotional/bad as town, so when I see people agreeing with me, that worries me. It happened with Math buddying me onto Dierfire in 1800.In post 456, karnos wrote:There is also a fair chance that between you and Saru one is actually town just being taken advantage of by the scum, but I'm fairly confident that at least one of you is scum
And basically, now, Thor is just harping on Karnos without much thought about anyone/anything else in the game. His ISO is basically all Karnos. Upon re-read, I don't think the arguments Thor and I were pushing were really all that great, and for him to be so gung-ho about it is strange. Like, yes, Karnos might have contradicted himself, but I don't really see it being the end all reason to call Karnos scum, as Thor does.
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I wonder what Grey has to say about how fast my wagon built up. Even faster than Knight's. How scared are you now, Grey? Or is it only Knight's wagon that "scared" you?In post 594, GreyICE wrote:I believe in the Saru wagon. This one came together astonishingly fast. That's scary.
Also, lol @ Lowell calling me a lurker. He has fewer posts than some replacements. Probably scum.
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Then why is she in your lynch list? Also, why is she "probably town"?In post 785, Thor665 wrote:I'd like to lynch in here; aronagrundy, karnos, ironstove
I think Aronagrundy is probably town.
Oh yeah, totally, I "disappeared." My wagon fell apart Sunday morning sweetie. I was busy Sunday and then I come back from college on Monday to see some no-name lynched(albeit, rightfully for his shit lurking).In post 790, aronagrundy wrote:Also remember when saru disappeared after everyone hopped off his wagon? Good times.
Nothing, that's the point. He's been about tunneling Karnos since he first replaced in. It's almost as bad as Grey who had his head up his ass about wanting to lynch me. Let me ask you this: what do you think about Thor's play with Karnos and what do you think about both of them in general?aronagrundy wrote:plz respond to the bolded saru
Oh god, if this isn't a scum vote...In post 809, Lowell wrote:VOTE: saru
I don't have a strong case-based reason here, but I do have a strong feeling that the way that day ended was no accident. I recall putting saru to L-1 to avoid a no lynch, then coming back to find some random rube dead.
Atleast you admit you don't have a case. But your feelings are unfounded and it's a bit strange how you went from calling me a "lurker null read"(which makes no sense) to voting me because my wagon dissipated. What happened to the 3 or 4 other lynches you mentioned in 681. Why not talk about them, or do they not exist?
Either you're ignoring the fact that I had claimed when people started to unvote(which would imply they believed the claim or felt comfortable with it) or you're ignoring the fact that votes shifted to malp quickly because a) he was an easy target to wagon on because b) there was almost no time left in the day, even after an extension and because c) he wasn't around to defend himself. Neither would suggest my wagon falling apart because I'm scum, as you seem to imply. In fact, IME, most scum wagons in the early-game fall apart before a claim, rather than after. Scum don't want to be pinned into a claim so early in the game and so most scum partners would try to derail it halfway through, even subtly. Basically no one in the game was trying to actively or subtly derail my wagon D1.
Also, this is definitely not the town!Lowell I remember from our last game together. You've lurked 24/7(this matches up slightly), have less posts than some replacements, and have done generally nothing, even going as far as to admit to not having a case for your vote, even though you imply you have others you want to lynch more than myself. There's no reason for me to think you're town here. But if you are, thanks for being a team player lmfao.
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My main concern with Thor tunneling Karnos was that it stemmed from my feeling that he was using my arguments about Karnos' contradiction about not sharing town-reads. It's a mix between the tunneling and the feeling that I'm being buddied. Hell, you say it yourself, that Thor seems to be "quiet as to how he reads you at the moment" and "almost dismissive...about your case on him" which is basically how I feel, hence why I feel I'm being buddied. Grey was a different story in that he was tunneling me like an idiot, but just tunneling itself isn't enough for me to scum read him. Otherwise, I'd have to scum read myself for tunneling Karnos at the start, no?In post 846, aronagrundy wrote:
Ok first of all why you using tunneling as a reason for your scumread when you yourself said Grey did the same thing? Also my original bolded question was in reference to you saying that thor is using your logic. What logic? When? I mentioned before that you have been shying away from this claim.In post 811, Saru wrote: Nothing, that's the point. He's been about tunneling Karnos since he first replaced in. It's almost as bad as Grey who had his head up his ass about wanting to lynch me. Let me ask you this: what do you think about Thor's play with Karnos and what do you think about both of them in general?
I think karnos is town, mostly because I think you're scum. I don't think two scumbuddies go through an argument like you two did. While I don't like the whole deal with the hypocrisy about townreads, I don't like your move onto thor and I still don't like how you're continuing it.
As for thor, I'm leaning scum but not as strongly as you. I think he harped too much on karnos and I actually don't like the timing of his flip onto the mal wagon very much. I'm not sure how well you and him work together as a scumteam, but looking over his iso he's been very quiet as to how he reads you at the moment (I think in post 756 he implies you're null/town but who knows) and fairly quiet (almost dismissive actually) about your case on him so I don't think him trying to distance himself from you is out of the question.
I've already talked about the arguments he was using like twice during D1, so no, I haven't been shying away from any claim.
Bolded just for you.In post 519, Saru wrote: No, I thought Karnos was scum for maybe a couple of days. But recently, I've thought about why Thor is basically taking up my argument and trying to use it against Karnos. Like I'm not ego-tistic, upon re-read, I can see me being superficial in my arguments against Karnos. I don't feel great about Karnos, but I feel even worse about Thor right now.
As for what arguments, basically everything. The part about Karnos being hypocritical based on the iron townread and the exception and all that. He's just more articulate with them.
Also, if Thor and myself are distancing, like you believe, then why are you so worried about me attacking Thor? Or even the kinds of "logic" I use for my attacks on him? Your worry should be about getting both of us lynched since both of us are scum. If you believe what you say, then instead of harping on me for harping on Thor, how about you help me bus my own partner? I'm voting him, no? Or are you now going to make the excuse that I'm scum whose trying to lynch town!Thor?Currently Playing:
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So if Thor got more votes, would you vote him instead? Not sure how you can be "much more" unsure about someone, but still have someone else as your strongest scumread. Your thought process is off here, and doesn't make me feel good about you.In post 850, aronagrundy wrote:You could be trying to lynch town!thor, or trying to bus!thor, but I'm going to vote you for an empty case regardless. Like I said, I'm much more unsure about thor, but I'm going with my strongest scumread right now, which is you.
No one says he isn't responding, because he does respond to my questions for him and my accusations, for that matter. But his responses to me seem to come off as too gentle. Like he gives Karnos a hard time if Karnos accuses him of something, but I usually don't get the same treatment. It just feels wrong and slimy.In post 852, aronagrundy wrote:actually no that doesn't feel right. Clearly he would have failed at buddying you if you wanted him dead. What would being dismissive of you even accomplish? If he was so caught up on getting you to trust him, he would want to respond.
And it's also interesting to note that while the wagon on me built up, Thor never really attempted to derail it or stick up for me. For all the town read he gives me, I found it odd how Thor stayed his hand in coming to my aid. Even a simple "hey guys, Saru probably isn't scum because X Y Z" would have sufficed. Like he's low-key ok with me being lynched, although he town reads me.Currently Playing:
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I actually don't get what you take an issue with. You seem to agree that the tunnel on Karnos is foolish("[Thor] harped too much on Karnos"), but give me a hard time because I give Thor a hard time about that same exact tunnel. Forget for a second about the whole "copying me" point I brought up. Strip that away, and what's your actual issue with my take on Thor's insistence to lynch Karnos? In your own view, it should be nothing, yes? If there is (besides the copying argument), then let me know, because you've lost me now.
I just don't see how my other argument about the buddying/copying would make me scum more than it could possibly make Thor scum for a tunnel, you, yourself don't like. Like your whole thought process confuses me. Even if I had never said Thor was copying me, would you agree he's scummy for harping on Karnos?Currently Playing:
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Hey now, you said it, not me.In post 854, aronagrundy wrote:Ok let me rephrase then: I feel confident about my scumread on you. I do not feel as confident about thor. I think you're caught on the phrase "more unsure."Currently Playing:
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This wasn't much of a defense of me more than it was an attack on Grey for being inconsistent.In post 756, Thor665 wrote:So my response post is so bad as to need a call out, and Saru is scum for the brilliant case of "in general" and you're going to stick on Saru as opposed to coming at me?In post 722, Fire Assassin wrote:Like right now I am leaning invest Thor/Saru, Prot Nero/Ice, and killing any of the lurkers.
Not sure how saying to drop me out of being investigated is stopping my wagon?Thor665 wrote:Make it a kill Karnos and drop Saru for PP or Grey and I'm good with this.
Again, you're not saying "don't vote Saru" here explicitly. Note the first sentence of the Penguin quote, that's what you're referring to when you say "Then...don't?" You're more confused that Penguin is voting with people he hates agreeing with and feels icky about than confused about his voting me.In post 691, Thor665 wrote:
Then...don't?In post 669, PenguinPower wrote:Ugh...I hate agreeing with Iron and I feel icky voting with karnos.
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These examples don't really mean anything in regards to my actual wagon from D1.
No, I know you're questioning my push onto you (you're doing it right now lmfao) and that helps to take away the buddying perception I have of you. Even if I didn't have the buddying feelings that come from using the same arguments(regardless of who said what first), my main issue with you is still your push onto Karnos, which seems like it's possibly going nowhere. In fact, you summed up your case about Karnos in the post above this, so if people read it and still aren't convinced, would you be willing to stop chasing Karnos for the time being, because there isn't much you can do at that point if people won't listen, yeah?Thor665 wrote:And, while we're at it, you're complaining that I didn't question your push on me - while *still* dodging the question I asked both you and Ice - wherein I asked you to back up what thoughts I "copied" because if I copied your thoughts, then by that same definition you copied mine - which makes your push silly, and I've straight up said as much to you and you refused to engage and throw this dreck at me like it means anything.
Knowing that an experienced player like Grey was silly enough to tunnel me and still flipped town actually works in your favor. But I'd like to know if you'll ever drop Karnos if people just don't see/agree with what you're saying.Currently Playing:
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Yeah, this isn't reasoning I see town!Lowell using. This is a weak reason to vote the leading wagon. Also, you conveniently ignore my post(811) about you where I ask about your other lynches and where I point out how my wagon couldn't have dissipated because I'm scum, but because of the circumstances at hand.In post 862, Lowell wrote:@Nero, the case on saru is that we nearly lynched him yesterday as a compromise candidate, only to have a new wagon form out of nowhere on a complete lurker at the last minute. At no point during the day prior to that did I see any wagon form that fast. I admit it's circumstantial but it's also legit. Basically, what about saru's D1 play would create the urgency with which his wagon was derailed unless scum was doing it for some reason.
Oh, really? But I thought that my "buddies" were the ones who were trying to derail my wagon from D1, no? Thor never makes an attempt at this, as I pointed out previously.Lowell wrote:
Also, this from thor about saru makes me think thor is one of his buddies. Not particularly subtle deflection. Looks like they can't decided whether to bus each other.In post 861, Thor665 wrote:
I couldn't describe the Saru case for the life of me - I think the theory is that I'm his partner or something, while being accused of both buddying him, and not defending him. Your guess is better than mine. I kind of look forward to if anyone takes you up on the bulletpoint though.
Your only looking for reasons to support your scum read of me at this point, rather than having any legitimate ones. I can't see how someone like you can lurk and then come back and be like "oh I think the leading wagon is a great choice because...no case or reason...just a feeling." You have no worries or commentary about other events or players? Like you literally admit you have no case on me, but are still voting me. I'm praying for this town that you're scum, because if you're town and using this kind of reasoning, then so help us god.
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What? I'm not ducking anything or being dancy. Did you read what I said? My case for you had two parts: the Karnos tunnel and the buddying. I clearly said that if I didn't feel you were buddying me, I would still be confused why you're tunneling Karnos when there's no indication he's going to be lynched. Are you just waiting for people to magically hop on the Karnos wagon or something? Serious question.In post 867, Thor665 wrote:@Saru - you're still ducking defending your weak case and now you're acting like I *am* coming at your case, while still ducking it and then still somehow suggesting some weird issue. You weren't this dancy with Karnos, why are you poncing around me while other people are selling this derp buddy thing that you are *also* selling. It's not coming from my direction at all.Currently Playing:
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What the fuck kind of logic is this. You did me far worse? What the hell? You're railing on a person who has already had a wagon on them and then claimed VT. Like, for fucks sake, how can you even wonder why my wagon would dissipate? We were given an extension, and people took advantage of that to vote elsewhere. Why are you so keen on ignoring my post where I address all this? This is the second time you've done this. What bothers me is that you're actively ignoring what I'm saying and then acting like I shouldn't be upset or bothered.In post 869, Lowell wrote:@Saru- As the "leading wagon" you had one vote. Now you have two. Yesterday I did you far worse. That all of a sudden this bothers you says more about you than me.
Guess what, I'm voting you. I'm not coaching anyone. If I were coaching, I'd tell you to stop being so stupid, but I know that town!Lowell is more reasonable than this. lol @ "deflection." I guess then that Grey was scum who was "deflecting" when he voted malp for the sole reason of being a lurker, like yourself.Lowell wrote:Also stuff like this: "I'm praying for this town that you're scum, because if you're town and using this kind of reasoning, then so help us god," I hate more than anything. If you're town, vote who you think is scum, don't coach. At best this is a deflection so that if you get your way, and I'm lynched, you can say "oh, well, he was a terrible player anyway, so good riddance." If you lynch a "bad" player who flips town, that's your fault, not theirs.Currently Playing:
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As to your first point about bringing it up under pressure, it would seem silly for me to do that as scum given the situation. I actually was under no pressure by Grey, because Grey was only pushing me with only 1 vote on me. I couldn't feel pressure from him even if I wanted to. There was no indication I was going to be lynched when Grey was pushing on me or that his push would even lead to my lynch, so me revealing how I was feeling Thor those past couple of days couldn't possibly have anything to do with pressure. It could just be, oh, you know, my actual feelings?In post 883, aronagrundy wrote:The whole copying thing is just part of why I'm voting you. I don't get your logic but that's not good enough of a reason to vote you. It's the fact that you brought it up under pressure and refused to respond to people asking you to clarify. And then you only actually acted on your scumread of thor once a wagon on you came up. I'm seeing scum that got pushed into a corner and is trying to avoid any more pressure. (the fact that your wagon got replaced with one on a town lurker doesn't help either)
As scum in that situation, I would have just eternally kept up on Karnos (he was the leading wagon, after all) and would have either dismissed Grey or just blatantly link him as a partner to Karnos. I don't see a world in which myself as scum does what I did there given the situation at the time which was vote off Karnos and then move onto Knight/Thor. It doesn't add up, frankly.
You're asking me to clarify the arguments about Karnos, yeah? Thor was the first to bring up the iron townread contradiction(that was my mistake), but even if you take that away, I'm not a happy camper with his push on Karnos, as you also don't seem to be. So if your problem this whole time has been that, then yes, Thor did bring it up first, and I missed that. Still not ok with him though.
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Oh, and to add to that last point about the wagon going from me to malp at the last second, you were the fifth vote on the malp wagon, and so for you to say that it bothers you how that wagon switch happened makes zero sense. You literally contributed to the wagon that makes you suspicious of me. Like lol. You're kind of implicating yourself there.Currently Playing:
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And? One player strongly scum reading me would automatically result in me feeling under pressure or something? I had one vote, and so therefore, I had no real reason to feel pressure. You didn't disprove my original point.In post 888, aronagrundy wrote:Paragraph 1: I mean yeah you had one vote but so what? grey came in with you as his strongest scumread.
Paragraph 3 is me just responding to you...so I'm not sure what's being covered lol. And when I said "everything" I really just meant two things:In post 890, aronagrundy wrote:I mean I covered paragraph 3 already honestly. And honestly was it literally only the iron townread that you're claiming thor copied? You quoted yourself saying it was "everything" yesterday
It might be the "all that" that you're bothered by, which is semantics, really. It was only the iron townread and the exception argument that I felt was being copied (although now I see that wasn't the case). Nothing else, to be perfectly clear.Saru wrote:As for what arguments, basically everything.The part about Karnos being hypocritical based on the iron townread and the exception and all that.
I wasn't deflecting anything. You've asked me questions, and I've responded when I've had the chance.aronagrundy wrote:I'm going to stop posting for the night after this, but the problem is that you kept on deflected from people asking you to clarify the original foundation of your case until like literally now
Both you and Grey asked me a similar question, and I gave both of you the same response. If you felt it was vague, then you could have told me to elaborate. Grey certainly never asked, and you turned it into me deflecting somehow.
Anyways, I'm really done arguing with you about this. We've made progress with each other in some regard, so that's good, I guess. Let me know when you want to return for our next therapy session together, thanks.Currently Playing:
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Hopefully you get around to not actively avoiding my 811. That'd be great.In post 926, Lowell wrote:Going to go back and look at D1 saru wagon dissolving into mal wagon next. I think it's an either/or situation though. Either this was a scumled derailment of saru-scum wagon or this lmk/alpaca lurker-alliance. But probably not both.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all your scum reads are by association at this point, yeah?ironstove wrote:I already indicated that flipping thor provides more information than nero at this stage of the game, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this question. You have it mixed up, nero being scum is contingent on thor being scum.
What are your individual reasons for each scum read you have that don't include other people. For example, taking Nero out of the picture, why is Thor scum on his own? And then taking Thor out of the picture, why is Nero scum at all? I don't really understand either scum read of yours without the other being present, which is bleh.Currently Playing:
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Town is being apathetic at the moment, but it really wasn't D1, where Lowell was still being a scum lurk. He's kept up the behavior since D1, in fact. It'd be different if he became a lurk just recently, as that could be chalked up to apathy, but that's not the case.In post 974, Thor665 wrote:What makes Lowell scum lurk as opposed to your claim that town is being apathetic?Currently Playing:
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I never said I re-read the entire thread. I was talking about looking back at my own posts. Look at 519 again. I say "upon re-read, I can seeIn post 987, aronagrundy wrote:If he was rereading the thread, why didn't he notice that thor wasn't copying his argument? Something doesn't add up here.mebeing superficial in my arguments against Karnos."
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Or maybe I just missed it? Ever thought of that? Looking through your ISO, you first had a question for me about Thor in 589, which, yes, I didn't answer, but not because I was "dodging". I actually didn't see it until I just went into your ISO. The second time you ask me (which I thought was the first time) is in 710, but I couldn't answer because I wasn't around (explained this already). In fact, my last post from D1 is 682.In post 992, aronagrundy wrote:Unless the second bullet point was directed to me about my case on saru? The fact that I had to spend part of day 1 and the beginning of day 2 to get info that hurt his case (when he could have just responded day 1 when I first asked him about his stuff on thor) is more worrying than him just having a weak argument.
So, since I wasn't around, I couldn't have answered a question I didn't even know existed. To further prove my point about this, notice my very first post on D2 (811). Guess what? It was a reply to the question that you're claiming I was trying to dodge or something stupid.
Lastly, you really are making a superficial argument against me at this point. You're looking at action, but not motivation. There's no scum motivation for me to ignore your question one time and then answer it when you ask again. If anything, that only makes me look bad. You think that I think I can get away with straight up not responding to people or something? You make it sound like you asked me about Thor like 10 million times before I responded, when really, it was only twice. There's no dodging or avoiding anything there, otherwise, I'd just keep doing it, which, again, makes no sense from any perspective.Currently Playing:
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This is a lot of baseless speculation on your part about how I felt. You say the Karnos wagon wasn't going to last, but you can't prove that. I had no reason to move off of Karnos as scum. His wagon was going fine, and one person coming in (who never questioned the wagon btw) questioning me about my ISO being full of Karnos wouldn't be enough to make me stop as scum. No pressure existed, so you can stop acting like it did, thanks.In post 1012, aronagrundy wrote:@saru: My argument is that you felt pressure to give more scumreads after grey showed up and started yelling at you (at that point you really only were saying karnos was scum) and felt the karnos wagon wasn't going to last so you threw out thor with bad reasoning. You hopped on the knight wagon because it showed potential but once FA claimed, you switched to the only other scumread you put out that wasn't karnos, thor. You changed your reasoning to disagreeing with his push on karnos (reasoning that was already said by others) and never referred to your original reasoning, because you knew it didn't hold up.
Also, I hopped off the FA wagon because he started actually doing something with the slot he replaced into. Notice that I voted for Knight for his lacking posts, which FA made up for. How scummy of me to hop off the wagon of a slot which starts doing the opposite of what I scum read it for! :O
I also did not change my reason on the Thor push. If I knew it wouldn't hold up from D1 (as you say), I would have conveniently dropped it D1 and replaced it with something else, which is not what happened. I had a two part reason for not feeling good about Thor from D1. I would have gotten rid of the "copying" argument much earlier, according to your logic.
Except it's been established that I didn't ignore you, so you can drop that argument.aronagrundy wrote:Also yes I think that ignoring people can be a valid strategy for scum because scum benefits from not providing too much information, and sometimes people don't follow up on questions or they're just afterthoughts. Also yes I get you responded to my question right away d2 but you never actually gave examples and it took you until post 885 to actually respond which is why I was saying you were deflecting.
"People don't follow up on questions" is a rare occurrence, and by any measure, risky for scum to bet on.
The part about not providing examples is also silly, because you had asked me what I thought Thor was doing, and I pointed out that his tunnel on Karnos made it so that he was essentially doing nothing. What example would you have wanted at the time for such an answer...his whole ISO?
Your argument is a mish-mash of pretty much nothing. Something about Thor, something about pressure, something about deflecting. I feel like I'm going in a circle with you with the same arguments, and at this point, I'm actually thinking of ignoring you in regards to this argument because it isn't progressing us at all. Stop beating a dead horse.Currently Playing:
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I think that's like the fourth time you've refused to address my post talking about why your case is bollocks. Probably because you can't refute it.In post 1103, Lowell wrote:Just a reminder that saru is still scum. Also saru's latest interaction with aron looks like a distancing ploy. Still, lmk first.
Make a bad case, ignore response to it, and lurk 24/7. Yeah, no way you're not scum.
Lynch this already.Currently Playing:
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I'm sure you can read at a fine pace. You didn't have that issue in our last game together.In post 1107, Lowell wrote:Remind me, I'm a slow reader.
What's your response to 811? You admitted you have no case on me, but just a "feeling" in 809 in regards to the malp wagon, just for context.Currently Playing:
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You also haven't explained how it makes me scum, now have you?In post 1124, Lowell wrote: I saw the claim, but I don't understand what you think it means. You're saying your VT claim is so airtight that everyone just up and decided you must be town? To your points, I would say: (a) you were an even EASIER wagon since you were almost dead and claimed VT, (b) why move from a VT claim to an unknown lurker at the last minute?, and (c) who would have it in their interest to move to an unknown lurker over you (who can defend himself, as you say) at the last minute if you're town?
Basically, I don't see how the following narrative: "I almost got lynched right at deadline, claimed VT, then a powerwagon instantly formed on a lurker who can't defend himself" absolves you.
Interestingly enough, it seems you yourself don't think that the wagon forming on the lurker was done by any potential scum partners, even though you imply this over and over. You're voting for LMK, someone who wasn't even on the wagon, when you should be voting for either me or anyone who WAS on the wagon, if you're so sure I'm scum who got away D1. Care to list the people on the malp wagon who wanted to protect me from being lynched? Because I haven't seen you actually do that, rather, you've tried to implicate me using other people's actions, while not listing those people.
You also dodged my point about how no one really came to my defense while my wagon was forming. Why would my partners allow me to claim D1 (on top of that a VT claim, which is stupid for scum) instead of just offering even a LITTLE bit of resistance? Again, last thing scum wants is being pinned into a claim D1.Currently Playing:
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Your first sentence made zero sense. You're the one who's definitely not even trying anymore. But of course, you seem to love the pot calling the kettle black tactic. You did the same thing with calling me a lurker on D1 where you had like ten posts or something. You also dodged the point (again) about why my scum partners didn't come to my defense in the first place, instead of letting me even get to the claim stage.In post 1203, Lowell wrote:Your scumpartners waited for you to claim so there would be a pretense for unvoting and/or starting a new wagon, is what I'm saying. And LMK did defend you by trying to derail your wagon by casting a naked vote for someone with no chance of being lynched at deadline (me). I made this point when casting the vote. Honestly you're not even trying at this point. The main point is you had a wagon with time running out, you claimed VT, which miraculously saved you and strung up a lurker. Even the way you were talking "well, I guess I'm about to die" and all that stuff looks in hindsight like a total put-on.
Secondly, your vote on LMK doesn't match up at all with your feelings about me or the people who switched to the malp wagon. Not one bit. LMK DIDN'T defend me at all. Not in words, and not in vote, and you know this. The first person to even suggest the malp wagon was in fact Nero. LMK has had zero influence in that regard. You just needed to vote a player who was inactive to make sure you didn't get into conflict with anyone, and LMK was that guy. Everyone who was ACTUALLY on the malp wagon were either your buddies or people who were too vocal for you to have had challenged at the time.
Honestly, I feel like saying so much more but your arguments are so objectively bad and I just don't think I can keep arguing with such obvious scum. It's a real shame that we only have a couple of hours left, but I would implore people to lynch Lowell ASAP. We still have time, but, meh, maybe not enough given that his scum partners would most likely push back anyways.
This guy just literally admitted to lurking. Lynch this please. Thanks.In post 1281, Lowell wrote:Lurking doesn't make me scum, and you know it.Currently Playing:
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I guess you can.
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