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[gerryoat]

Ah, yes. The time when everyone votes someone random for the lol XD haha XDDD

[gerryoat]

I would post a random vote here, but instead I'll not post a random vote here.

wait aren't you from epicmafia????

[gerryoat]

VOTE: Grendel

Sounds awful

VOTE: The_Jester

I like the idea

is your avi log horizon? it's my fav anime lol

[gerryoat]

I would post a random vote here, but instead I'll not post a random vote here.

wait aren't you from epicmafia????

Yeah I've seen both of you on EM. Wanna do the study buddy thing, Gerry?

yaas

[gerryoat]

@Gerryoat I am eagerSnake on EM.

yas i think we played a few days ago in the Reverse Mafia setup. anyway glad to see you here too

[gerryoat]

Also, per policy, I won't take anything serious for the first 4 pages cause it's all bullshit every game i've played.

[gerryoat]

Also the last forum game I played that had 11 people had 3 mafia so. I don't think it's useful to even talk about how many PRs we could have, as it's kinda irrelevant. The most important thing is trying to pinpoint how many maf there prob is

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i really doubt there is a 3 man mafia team and a 3rd party in an 11 man setup tho

[gerryoat]

Why does Gamma feel like town? I feel like what he's said is basically what I've said when it comes to the setup. Also, I still think it's not needed to talk about what kinda PRs we have

[gerryoat]

why is it a serious vote now? can you explain at least?

[gerryoat]

I'm calling BS on anyone who gets a serious scumread 4 pages into a game, when most of it is just feeling out and partially random votes that have no meaning behind them. So, anyone who says they actually hard fos someone, is just someone trying actively to look like they are scumhunting, when in reality they aren't.

[gerryoat]

The page 3 stuff between Snake and Gamma is 100% fluff. I don't see how Victor can be scumreading snake for it either. Regardless I don't see it as alignment indicative.

Also a huge pet peeve of mine is when people waste too much time on setup spec. Setup spec won't win Town the game, so quit it and start posting some real content.

i think this is the worst post so far. He basically repeated what I said and then gave a read that snake and gamma was fluff when everyone has been fluff so far.

[gerryoat]

Grendel, I'll say it again, i don't see how you get all those reads in 3 pages of pretty much nullness.

[gerryoat]

I'm gonna vote RhazhBash based on what I said earlier, waiting for him to say more anyway

VOTE: RhazhBash

[gerryoat]

Wtf is up with all this meta?? Literally everyone has just been talking about meta for the last 2 pages. Focus on this game

[gerryoat]

@GerryOat

Grendel, I'll say it again, i don't see how you get all those reads in 3 pages of pretty much nullness.

If I got reads from nothing but "nullness" then that should be a reason to suspect me right?

If it is for you then push me. This game needs more clashing.

No response?

sorry, I missed this somehow. Yes, I understand that you can get reads that way, but you have to look at it from my point of view. Some guy just randomly puts out a list of reads only 3 pages into with only "reactionary" votes. It just doesn't seem legit and seems like they are trying to look townie, instead of actually worried about getting the reads correctly. Which is why I'm just weary of it right now. I never said I hard scumread you or anything for it, which is why my vote stays where it is.

[gerryoat]

Okay.
Null - Gerry (seems reasonable, but hasn't really added much yet.)

I mainly said that because he diffused everyone's getting up in arms about your reads.

I like how that's all it takes for you to change your read on me. But, I actually agree with him. I was actually going to ask you why you TR me, cause I haven't done anything so far that would warrant a townread so far.

[gerryoat]

I kinda like Grendel trying to get "conflict" in the game, which in a sense is how you get reads more. So I do slightly tr that from him. But his actions and his words are a bit off right now. He says this game needs more conflict, but he already laid out a list of reads. Why does he keep saying this game needs more conflict when he already has a list of reads 3 pages in.

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@Gren

I fos RhazhBash , hence the vote. I think you have had townie lines like i've explained. I don't see the rush in making reads when we aren't even 10 pages in yet. But, I'd be confident lynching RhazhBash the most right now

[gerryoat]

@Gerry: I think I'd like to do the same thing Grendel and Eager are doing, if that's okay with you?

Uh, ok lol. You start

[gerryoat]

Victor is something of a null read for me. His town read on Gamma bothers me, but It seems most ppl are cool with Gamma so that tr might not lead anywhere, (that is assuming Gam is scumz). His interaction with CCC is weird in a way I can't seem to pin point yet. I think the worst thing about Victor is that he hasn't pushed the person he is currently voting, Rhazbash, at all. Instead opting to have this convo with CCC that doesn't appear to be going anywhere. So a few odd things, but nothing condemning. And no, I really don't agree with you proposed case on Victor. In fact I can even see how he wasn't bought with you Gamma unvote, you dropped that scum read fast dude.

I agree with Victor not pursuing his scumread on RhazhBash, or pursuing any other scumread for that matter. Which is funny because he says this:

Well perhaps, but I'm not one to rely on scum slipping up. I'd much prefer to root them out.

Post-by-Post Analysis of VictorDeAngelo:
12 RVS vote on eagerSnake
40 Setup spec, asks eagerSnake for reads
74 States

vote on eagerSnake is now serious
90 Gives reason for vote being serious "shifts reads easily." states he "gets more bad feels" from RhazhBash's post 89, votes RhazhBash
111 Asks CCC for more examples of Jester dodging questions, now thinks Grendel is town, disagrees with Grendels scumread on Gamma
126 Asks Gamma if he finds CCC's post suspicious
137 Assumes my question isn't serious
142 Explanation of his assumption, says he won't admit to being lazy or having an ulterior motive
155 Talk about what is important D1
188 Asks gerryoat what readslists have to do with conflict, states he reads RhazhBash's 87 as defending eagerSnake from him, Asks an unsensible, and unreasonable question to CCC
199 States his answer to eagerSnake's question will be "patronising and not actually lead us anywhere towards catching scum"
200 "I'm not one to rely on scum slipping up. I'd much prefer to root them out."
204 Says eagerSnakes question is not sensible or reasonable

@Grendel will get you my read on gerryoat next

I think this is town. All of this shows genuine scumhunting and tries to find contradictions

[gerryoat]

Okay.

Manuel87

Okay, so I guess i just quote what i think about them so far.

My vote on eagerSnake is now a serious vote.

This, however, can only be a few things:
A lazy town
A scum
A town with an ulterior motive

Can you explain why you think this can be scum?

Here, I like how he tried to get more reads from eager. It felt like town trying to get more information from someone by asking them to justify their reads.

UNVOTE:

Manuel, who looks the most suspicious, in your opinion?

I would say CCC.
I didnt like the statement about math. He is already making excuses for pushing on town day 1.
Later he misreps and votes you for dodging a lot of questions. There was one question you didnt answer but gave an explanation why you wouldnt do.
It just doesnt fit into him saying he takes a mathematik aproach of the game.

When asked to give a fos, he outs one, and gives a semi good reason as to why he has this fos. It wasn't that strong, but that's to be expected that far in.

@The_Jester: What are your thoughts on Grendel so far?
@Grendel: When you made your read on eagerSnake in 102 was that considering him being your buddy or was that a serious read on his play?

Here he is trying to get more information from others to clarify and backup the reads they have about them.

Do you like/dislike anything else in 102?

I generally dont like when ppl say "there are 1-2 scum in this group of people" when the group they are talking about is exactly 50% of the players (self not included)
Which in return means he also thinks there are 1-2 scum in the other group.

@RhazhBashu: would you mind answering my question in 92

Here is answers a question, and then gives another question (to my scumread which is always good :p)

Even though he's only had 10 posts, I'd say he's been trying to get others to speak more as well. I personally have him null leaning town right now.

Can you tell me your reads on RhazhBashu, gamma?

(sorry idk how to do spoilers and stuff yet, so sorry for the big block quotes)

[gerryoat]

ngl I didn't even notice one person didn't even post yet lol

[gerryoat]

@CCC what's your opinion on RhazhBash?

[gerryoat]

Square, I still don't get how you scumread me for pushing on someone I think is scummy lol. Just because he hasn't posted as much as others, doesn't mean he's exempt from being mafia. That's stupid

[gerryoat]

@Gerry: I would like your opinion on CCC still, and would also like thoughts on Square World.

I kinda liked what he's been saying the past few pages, I don't see myself lynching him currently

[gerryoat]

@Gerry: I would like your opinion on CCC still, and would also like thoughts on Square World.

square idk, he seemed like he was trying to discredit me for pushing on my scumread, and I still don't see any reason why the person I scumread has done anything townie in his eyes. He says he's an "easy push" But, I don't see it like that.

[gerryoat]

Okay, I am starting to get a stronger TR on Grendel the more he posts. I can see logic in all his posts and I can see why he's asking the questions he's asking.

[gerryoat]

I dont like how Square world playes but its not a reason to lynch him.
What i dont like about him right now is that he mentioned how eagers analysis on RhazhBash sucks.
While i think he has a valid point that its not really an analysis but rather a summary of what said player posted that game, i dont understand why he only refers to the RhazhBash analysis and not to the ones on Victor and Gerry.

@Square: Why do you think Gerry is scum?

@RhazhBash can you elaborate what's so scummy about this post? You can't just say "___ is scum cause of this post" And not elaborate as to why. This is why I think you're mafia. Maybe if you explained your reads a bit more. I could change my mind.

[gerryoat]

Gerry, hi, I'd like to know why you don't consider my post 305 to be akin with "___ is scum cause of this post."

My town read from post 102 has evaporated. Manuel is null veering towards scum now.

I don't feel like dissecting posts 254, 259 tonight, but both rubbed me the wrong way. And I'm not seeing any thing that looks townie since my explanation on why I thought he could be town. He had a lacking presence in today's voices imo.

I didn't explain why I didn't like 254, or 259. I just said that I didn't like them, and considered it motivation to start scum reading that slot. What Rhazah did is not different from what I did. Quite similar actually. So your selectivity for this argument is quite telling given that Rhazbash is lynch bait, and I am generally town read. It'd be easy to use this on player like Rhaz, but not with me, so you

ignore what I did

that would be incriminatory based on your argument, while

throwing it on the widely scum read dude

. Its really not a stretch for you to be opportunistic scum here. If you were a tunneler then this wouldn't be so scummy, but you don't look the type.

Also your town read on me feels very forced. Explain why I'm town in a way that isn't a vague piecemeal statement.

I TR you because of what you've done all day. Whereas he hasn't done much at all day. Also this post was also townie in itself, so lol

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UNVOTE:

I like House's posts wayyyyyyyyy more than Rhaz. TY for subbing in lol.

[gerryoat]

I only reread 2 pages, but that was enough. I'll read the others and post more when I wake up, I gotta headache

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Why does Gamma feel like town? I feel like what he's said is basically what I've said when it comes to the setup. Also, I still think it's not needed to talk about what kinda PRs we have

I get a jealousy vibe from this post.

Did it bother you that Gamma got a townread for something you also did? If so, why?

/poke gerry

No, I was just doing some early questioning, I don't see how that's bad. I was trying to see if there was contradictions in his post. It doesnt make sense that one person would be town for doing something, and the other person not be town for doing the same thing

[gerryoat]

The page 3 stuff between Snake and Gamma is 100% fluff. I don't see how Victor can be scumreading snake for it either. Regardless I don't see it as alignment indicative.

Also a huge pet peeve of mine is when people waste too much time on setup spec. Setup spec won't win Town the game, so quit it and start posting some real content.

i think this is the worst post so far. He basically repeated what I said and then gave a read that snake and gamma was fluff when everyone has been fluff so far.

If Rhaz made "the worst post so far", and "repeated what you said", what does that say about what you said?

/poke gerry

Because at that point, it had already been said like 5 times. He kept repeating what others had said, it seemed like he was trying to blend in slowly by copying what others would say. It wasn't so much the content, but the situation. At the moment, it felt scummy to me, because it seemed like he was trying to just do the same.

[gerryoat]

gerryoat, are you an alt?

No, this is my only account. Like my 4th game on this site, I think. But, I play mafia elsewhere on Epicmafia, like I pointed out earlier.

[gerryoat]

I have the day two lynch identified as well when CCC flips red.

Hint: If I have my way, his name will be a misnomer

Who? (Sorry if you answered this already, I'm rereading currently and quoting posts I find interesting enough to reply to

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Your case does bring up a lot of valid points.

If his case brings up a lot of points, how come you want house to be lynched if CCC flips town? I mean, it's possible for town to mislynch someone here. Not everyone can be 100% in their reads. But, if the reads make sense, what is the problem?

[gerryoat]

Okay so

@House

Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?

[gerryoat]

Next time I post, I'll be sure to have a reads list from towniest to scummiest, I'm glad the game is picking up.

[gerryoat]

Why do you guys always post so much when I'm gone, and when I'm here, nothing gets posted. Alright I'm gonna do a reads list from towniest to scummiest

Town
Grendel
eagersnake
House
GammaEmerald
Manuel
The_Jester
CCC
VictorDeAngelo
Huntress
SquareWorld

VOTE: SquareWorld

I would prefer to lynch in my bottom 3, that's my prefrence. Nothing Square has said has really stood out to me. He tried to make a werid case on me that didn't make sense, and it seemed he backed off a bit when no one would follow. Grendel, despite fosing me, I think is town for the reasons I stated earlier, he seems like he's actually scumhunting, and trying to find mafia. He also casted doubt on me when I first gave my TR on him, which imo is a TR. I wish he'd just see that I was town too. Eager has had good posts since the beginning and has been consistent the whole time, which I really like. House has really shot up my townread since subbing in. I don't think CCC is the best vote today, but I do like his case on him. But, I also like CCC's responses, so I would prefer not to vote him.

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@Gren

I fos RhazhBash , hence the vote. I think you have had townie lines like i've explained. I don't see the rush in making reads when we aren't even 10 pages in yet. But, I'd be confident lynching RhazhBash the most right now

lol

VOTE: gerryoat

@Square World can you explain your reads in a bit more detail?

no

gerryoat, are you an alt?

(filler, trying to cast more doubt on me the 2nd time after it didn't work the first time.)

don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

(I'm thinking there is at least 1 maf in there. It might be Victor or CCC, but I'm not really sure.)

[gerryoat]

I didn't explain but i was quoting posts that I didn't like from him. And if you iso him, he's day has been garbage. he says he won't lynch eager, but that's who he is voting lmao. So, please hop on that Square wagon please

[gerryoat]

Why do you guys always post so much when I'm gone, and when I'm here, nothing gets posted. Alright I'm gonna do a reads list from towniest to scummiest

Town
Grendel
eagersnake
House
GammaEmerald
Manuel
The_Jester
CCC
VictorDeAngelo
Huntress
SquareWorld

VOTE: SquareWorld

I find it surprising that Gamma is so high in your list, and that Huntress is so low. Could I ask you to explain your reads on them a little further?

I'd say after house, things start to get more null, but I have to say that I just liked his posting so far, that's the best I can explain. I mostly just do a top 3 and bottom 3, and focus on them. You manuel jester and gamma are all lumped together in terms of nullness, but I liked his posting especially in the beginning better. In terms of Huntress it seems to me they have been coasting? I haven't seen much from them at all, and when I have, it isn't anything I can say that I agree with much. I'll try to iso her after this post.

[gerryoat]

Also what are the votes at right now? I think eager might be close to L-1. And I think Square should be L-2 or 3 right?

[gerryoat]

I'll actually give Huntress a pass for today, considering tehy had to do a lot of reading to catch up. So I'd really prefer Square here.

[gerryoat]

I'll actually give Huntress a pass for today, considering tehy had to do a lot of reading to catch up. So I'd really prefer Square here.

I'll give you a cookie if you choose eager instead.

You had "Lol." as your main reason. give a better case and maybe I'll reconsider, but I don't see him doing anything that scummy to be voted today.

[gerryoat]

page 30 question
gerryoat, you're probtown, though why give huntress a free pass?

Because she arrived late and has been mostly rereading, yet still has outed reads.

[gerryoat]

page 4
not really thinking manuel is scum anymore

gerryoat + the_jester maybe?

page 18
manuel town
gerryoat and his excuses
huntress still scum

page 30 question
gerryoat, you're probtown, though why give huntress a free pass?

i'd say scum is in huntress, the_jester and victor, though maybe i accidentally excluded one scum from this list

could consider gerryoat or manuel

VOTE: Manuel87

l-1

????????????????

All of his reads are contridiictions. He states manuel is town yet votes him here. He says I'm prob town but says he could consider voting me. He says his biggest scumreads are huntress, jester, victor, yet doesn't push on any of them, and instead goes on the opposite wagon.

Am I insane or am I the only one seeing this??

[gerryoat]

How are more people not voting Square right now? I'm literally loling right now

[gerryoat]

manuel you should claim now

[gerryoat]

manuel, you've been null, so. I wouldn't mind hammering you here. BUT, I plead to my fellow towns, please lynch square, do I have to quote all the contradictions again? I don't get why people can't see that.

[gerryoat]

I'll lynch one of eager/Gamma/Victor.

Those are my only options.

I'm not lynching eager today at least and prob not gamma either. i guess I'd be OK with a Victor vote, but idk why you tr square dude, did you even read my case on them?

[gerryoat]

wait what happened to your CCC read, house?

[gerryoat]

All of his reads are contridiictions. He states manuel is town yet votes him here. He says I'm prob town but says he could consider voting me. He says his biggest scumreads are huntress, jester, victor, yet doesn't push on any of them, and instead goes on the opposite wagon.

Am I insane or am I the only one seeing this??

Square was giving his impressions page by page there. The contradictions you're seeing appear to be the progression of his reads through the game. Although I don't see how he ends up on Manuel.

exactly, which is why I am saying, there is no possible way as town he comes up with that vote right there other than to bw on a vote that's now him

[gerryoat]

How am I refusing to work with you?

[gerryoat]

bless you, i never knew that existed. I'll do it now

[gerryoat]

How long do we have until we have to decide?

[gerryoat]

Yo, if you vote Square, we can convince others to vote him as well.

[gerryoat]

We still have enough time

[gerryoat]

manuel would you consider voting square today?

[gerryoat]

Who are your other 3?

Also to the people wanting Gamma today, can you give me your cases on Gamma?

[gerryoat]

CCC who are your other scumreads?

[gerryoat]

he's trying to ML the person who subbed in

[gerryoat]

he's trying to ML the person who subbed in

How do you know it's a ML?

because he's maf???? lol. i wouldnt try getting him lynched if i didnt think he was maf

[gerryoat]

everyone foses square but is "scared it wont happen today" how about you just vote it, and you'll see the votes pile up. manuel, ccc. if you both vote square we will have 4 votes on him

[gerryoat]

Gamma you should vote square

[gerryoat]

Wow I missed a lot lol. So, eager and square cc each other? I'm guessing eager was hammered and is claiming maf. I woulda voted wrong lmao.

[gerryoat]

Scum is still taking this game regardless.

Damn you, House. I should have flipped onto Square. I knew he was a PR when he said "Don't worry, I'm not getting lynched today." That's why I flipped off him and went for Manuel, I was as I was just going to NK him. Unlucky he turned out to be my CC. Also, that was a crumb I made up after the fact, obviously. Probably should've just claimed PR and diappeared. :fp:

Unless there is some wifom here, I believe he slipped House aren't partners. Him and Manuel are probably not partners as well. (i don't team read him with either of those regardless, so I guess it isn't much, but it's something)

[gerryoat]

I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

please explain why i'm mafia. because i tr eagersnake? like a few other people? Yes, because as mafia i'd hard buddy my GOON. especially when he was getting lynched.

[gerryoat]

I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

Everybody was wrong about Manuel, and you're wrong about gerry.

Vote the obvscum so we can finish this game please. I'd like a perfect town win on this one.

Hey, I wasn't wrong about Manuel, I was wrong about SquareWorld

Let's assume your wrong on at least one of Gamma/CCC. What's your current read on Gerry?

You even admit we had the same read on square. So what makes me mafia then? If we both had the same reads?? please explain

[gerryoat]

VOTE: victor

Unless victor explains how me having the same tr and sr as him makes me mafia, I'm lynching him today.

[gerryoat]

[quote="In post 1113

It's more than that. What made me look at you again, was the way you deflected my vote off eagersnake onto Square at the end of yesterday. If my vote stuck at the time it would made snake a viable counter wagon to manuel (who would likely be the mislynch instead). Shame for you, it didn't matter for you in the end.
I also looked over your interactions with snake again over night, and you seemed to simply townread snake early on and never wavered, nor delivered any specifics. Sure other people townread eagersnake but what I'd like to know is why you did? So what made eager so town to you?

[/quote]

>deflected?

I literally hard scumread square since mid day 1. And I was trying to get everyone to vote him instead of whoever they were voting? So wtf are you talking about. I wasn't protecting anyone. People were voting CCC, manuel, gamma and I tried to get them to vote square instead. so that read is bullshit

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"sweet omgus" beause you've outed no read for why im mafia. you literally have no reason to fos me. When others TR eager as well, and others SR square as well. You said i was deflecting votes, but I was deflecting votes off everyone, not just eager

[gerryoat]

Also, I TR eager based on his town and reads. The same reason i began to TR house as well

[gerryoat]

I believe i did the same for grendel too. so, again, your logic makes no sense once more. Because I did it to others more than eager. So please try again. Why am I mafia?

[gerryoat]

Sorry, i missed the last 24 hours or so, I'm gonna read now

[gerryoat]

>deflected?

I literally hard scumread square since mid day 1. And I was trying to get everyone to vote him instead of whoever they were voting? So wtf are you talking about. I wasn't protecting anyone. People were voting CCC, manuel, gamma and I tried to get them to vote square instead. so that read is bullshit

Yes, square was the one scumread you pushed, I won't dispute that. However you didn't try to derail the other wagons.

You liked the case on CCC although you constantly said you wouldn't vote for him, which is pretty yuck in and of itself.
You were pretty much ready to hammer to Manuel.
Not sure where Gamma was properly wagoned, though everyone suspected him.
Yet, my vote on eager was the only one you seemed to pull away.

"sweet omgus" beause you've outed no read for why im mafia. you literally have no reason to fos me. When others TR eager as well, and others SR square as well. You said i was deflecting votes, but I was deflecting votes off everyone, not just eager

You wouldn't know my reasons, because you asked for an explanation @ 20:00 and then voted 20:01 and creating a reason that isn't true.

So yeah, it gives me a lot more confidence I'm not barking up the wrong tree.

Also, I TR eager based on his town and reads. The same reason i began to TR house as well

I believe i did the same for grendel too. so, again, your logic makes no sense once more. Because I did it to others more than eager. So please try again. Why am I mafia?

1) Generic reason is generic.

2) These three players had different reads, no way you could be townreading them all for this same reason. This is just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong....

First paragraph

1.) I did say I liked the case on CCC, but I also said I liked the responses that CCC gave, so you blatantly just lied and left that part out to try and make me look scummy.
2.)Like I said, I was thinking about hammering Manuel, but I never did because I wanted square instead, so that logic is bad by you. You make it seem like I was about to hammer him.
3.4) So you're pretty much blamining me for you changing your vote from eager to square????? WHen You fos'd him too? THAT is your argument? That I made you change YOUR vote, so I am scum. Even though I appealed to EVERYONE to vote square?? That's such bad logic, which is why I am pretty sure you have to be mafia. How would town have shit logic like that??

Also, I fos'd House's slot, before he switched in, and then house was more townie than Rzarh or w/e his name was. Which is why I tr him. You're saying it's bad reasons, yet what would be the reason for me to flip my reads there if I was just bullshitting fake reads that are generic.

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Okay, out of gamma and CCC, I would much rather vote gamma. I don't like how he pushed on House, who imo has risen the the most town here. Not only with his push on eager yesterday, but his logic behind the responses he gave gamma all day. I would MUCH prefer to lynch Victor over both of them. But, when I did that yesterday, I fos'd the JOAT lol.. Since we still have so much time, I won't switch my vote.

Gamma seems to be everywhere this day. He keeps talking about useless mechanics that shouldn't matter right now. He keeps talking about how many PR there should be and how many mafia there should be. He also started to fos House of all people for a very poor reason which he then quickly tried to backtrack and unvote/fos him.

tl;dr: I'd prefer Victor > Gamma > CCC in that order.

[gerryoat]

Spoiler:

(by the way, 1290 was a reaction test. I expected you to double down on your suspicions of me if you were town and accuse me of forcing a false dichotomy... You fail the test.

But by all means, continue your assault!)

I thought the same thing. That if he was town he'd actually scumread you more for that. But, he kinda looked like he was trying to worm himself out of a lynch and then vote the opposite person rather than himself.

[gerryoat]

I preferred a Square World lynch, it was a mistake. But I don't see how that makes me buddies with eager.

hahahahaha

It's funny cause this is his

EXACT

case on me. Yet, when I said that to him, he still said I was maf

[gerryoat]

gamma, one thing. If you scumread house, why are you trying to plead to him as if you know he's town?? Also being so willing to give into what he wants, just gives off the wrong vibes.

[gerryoat]

Victor you said you TR grendel's activity. but when I said the same thing about grendel, you said that it wasn't a good enough reason.

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see, victor, the reason I think you're scum is because of all the contradictions about you. All the things you're saying I'm scummy for, I have given as responses to you. Yet you're saying the exact same thing I am. Yes, it's ok to be wrong about a read. But when you're pushing on a person for having the same reads on you. And then blame them for making YOU unvote, that's the reason people are thinking you're mafia.

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Spoiler: Gerryoat

My first thoughts on Gerryoat were not liking the start of his play this game. In particular how he refuses to consider anything before the fifth page as helpful in finding peoples alignments. He went on the restate this when I posted my analysis, (47 and 109). Then when I pointed out that me pulling reads out of what he called “nullness” would in fact be reason to suspect me. (167) He didn’t disagree, he even said that somebody posting in-depth reads using the first three pages of a mafia game is suspect, but he avoided calling me scummy for it. Instead he opted to stay on Rhazhbash because he was, “much worse”.

He then goes on to town read me while giving little back bone as to why. I later asked for more elaboration to this and his response was that he town read me because of what I had done up to that point. He does this without actually saying what I done that is townie. His town read on me is vague. Keeping me as his top town read most of D1 without directly saying what about me is town, (and no I’m not counting the” everything about you is town” thing), making that read look really contrived. It wasn’t until his read list at post 679 that he said it was mainly that my scum hunting looked genuine.

… BUT

I actually didn’t find his suspsions of Square to be bad though. Gerry could definite have been pushing that wagon with town intentions. Square read’s were riddled with contradictions. Which many people see as scummy, and can be scummy. (828 & 888). His scum read on victor today looks good too.

Looking into other games Gerry had played on site I think that he is likely town here. Looking at Machiavellian mafia I saw that Gerry is crazy good at distancing his scum buddies. TO the point that it looked like he was getting into a personal affront with his scum buddy Maria. The back an forth between Gerry and Victor at the start of the day look way too weak to be scum Gerry, and Victor. Gerry also doesn’t make sense with Gamma’s buddying yesterday. With Gerry not matching either proposed scum team I’d say he is town.

thank you for the compliment on my scum game, i'm flattered lol. But, thank you for finally realizing my reasons. This is why I don't think victor is town because my reasons for pushing on square were legit (and he did too) yet now he's trying to say that my vote on him is now the reason?? even though he voted me before i voted him lol

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Victor you said you TR grendel's activity. but when I said the same thing about grendel, you said that it wasn't a good enough reason.

When did this happen?

Gives a townread on me and Grendrl but doesn't explain. This could be an issue of default scum x-ray reads, where their reads come from their knowledge of who is who, and not any actual towntells.

I liked Grendel's early activity and the fact he got stuck in sooner than other people. In my experience, that tends to come from town. And as I said before I omitted a lot of explanations from the early game to see what reactions I get. Players asking me about my read, leads to dialogue, which leads to more interactions, etc and the game starts flowing naturally. Obviously, it was far than a set in stone at the time (although Grendel still remains a townread).

forgetful? you said it literally the page before this lol

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oops I quoted that wrong. but victor said the first paragraph, not me.

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I'm a bodyguard motherfucker.

Now what?

Die, scum.

??????????????????????

Why weren't you on JOAT?

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Nope, it's worse. I'm the town watcher. I watched you.

No one targetted House, but no way we have a Watcher/Bodyguard combo here.

Lynch House today. Or lynch me, see me flip blue and lynch House tomorrow.

Um. if you're watcher how are you blue? lol (On epicmafia we call Blue a vanilla tonwie. So if blue is just synonym for town on here, sorry)

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Also Victor's watcher claim has to be bullshit, I refuse to believe that watcher wouldn't be on claimed PR.

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You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

[gerryoat]

I know, I'm just pointing out what it looks like.

[gerryoat]

Nothing more townie than self meta clearing

/s

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Uh. This is hammered right?

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House are you always here lol

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Also WHY DIDN'T VICTOR WATCH THE CLAIMED PR???

That has much to do with why his claim wasn't believed.

Square was the obvious nk target, but he watched ME?

Who can blame anyone for scumreading that?

^^^^^

main reason I didn't believe him claim. it was possible auto win if he was on PR, that was his fault.

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Sorry but I don't see myself not voting Gamma today. As it even looked like he was trying to set up

VOTE: gamma

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

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CCC, I can't picture Gamma not killing me last night after all the shit I gave him yesterDay followed by my often repeated intent to trommel him today.

Grendel posed nowhere near the threat to Gamma that I do.

Jester is scum.

Wouldn't it be possible that he thought that at night? That if you died, he'd be the main suspect, and thus killed Grendel instead?

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I was drunk and I knew I had to post something or I'd get replaced. Popped the site, glanced over Victor's blue-pm stuff and my drunk-self decided he's 100% sure scum and it's a good idea to vote him. I didn't even know how many votes he already had on him. Hell, I haven't even followed the game cause I was at work 24/7 last week and I had like 40 pages to read up. I should've replaced out but I do it so often I'd feel like shit. Not that I'm super happy about the current situation now.

Ok and? What's your reads after catching up on the 40+ pages

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Well whatever he's doing, it's working no? You're voting his fos lol. I mean, yes jester's hammer was kinda bad in timing, but everyone agreed victor was scum for his claim and his actions around his claim. So that's why i'd rather get gamma for seemingly setting up for the next day. It's possible it's a bus though, to make him look good in future days. but I'll have to reread on huntress/CCC as I think you and manuel are town

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I assumed that meant that he wasn't happy about hammering the PR and being fos'd today

[gerryoat]

Okay house, say jester is mafia and gamma is town. who is jester's partner out of CCC/Huntress

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After a quick reread on huntress, I find it very hard to believe that they are on a team with CCC. as that's basically been their tunnel this whole game.

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I assumed that meant that he wasn't happy about hammering the PR and being fos'd today

By who? Gamma?

Why would he care about that when Gamma is the mislynch of the day?

Good point, but I think it was more of a sense that everyone was saying the hammer was bad and he was scared to be pushed on. Then again, would mafia really make a hammer that bad? From my experience I've seen mafia shy away from hammers that could make them look in a bad light.

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Huntress you've been tunneling CCC the whole time, could you expand on the fos on him specifically?

[gerryoat]

Has the scumread gotten stronger or weaker as the days gone on, if so, why?

[gerryoat]

gamma besides jester what are your reads?

[gerryoat]

Actually: Gerry Huntress Manuel Jester CCC I suggest you all do color coded reads too.

I hope I do this right lol, if i mess up the colors i'll just repost with the colors written out in words

House

Manuel

CCC

Huntress

Jester

gamma

I think I've explained most of my reads already, but if anyone has any questions, lemme know.

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@Manuel, why do you TR huntress so much? What has she even done to be townread? Am I missing something?

[gerryoat]

Still waiting for Jester, CCC and Huntress' color coded reads

[gerryoat]

Huntress TRs House manuel and me. her gut says Jester is town but she said the hammer is bad and scumreads CCC. I believe she scumreads Gamma as well. Not sure tho.

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@CCC why can't Jester and Gamma both be scum. Also why can't Huntress and Gamma both be scum.

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I can see the first one. As the reason I fos gamma more, is because it looked like he was setting up for tomorrow before the day. So for a different reason, I don't think they can be partners.

2nd one, I will have to look into more.

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At any rate, I think we should lynch Jester today since his scum read is pretty much universal and sort which of Gamma/Huntress is their buddy tomorrow.

Why not wait for his replacement? Maybe he can provide better content?

[gerryoat]

This when Jester is being fairly widely scumread.
Of the three people mentioned by Huntress here, one (myself) I know for certain sure is Town. One is very probably Town; that is House. And then there's Gamma. There are good reasons to scumread Gamma, but House has recently made a very good case for the idea that Gamma is Town.
Consider the possibility that Gamma is Town. If this is true, then Huntress just proposed a scumlist of three (out of seven) players who would all be Town. The odds of three

random

players including

zero

scum (assuming two remaining scum) are (5/7)*(4/6)*(3/5) = 2/7.
Yet a scum player has a strong incentive to suggest a scumlist that consists only of Town players. Let's say that a scum player has an 80% chance of producing an entirely-Town list of reads.
The prior probability of Huntress being scum (still assuming two remaining scum) is 2/6. Then the odds of Huntress being scum from this single piece of evidence (assuming that Gamma is Town) increase to over 50%.

I am more suspicious of CCC right now.
Yesterday Gamma was his scumread and today he considers him town in his calculation but still has him as a scumlean.
Yesterday Huntress was his 3rd highest townread and today after she got some scumreads on her she dropped into one of his mainscumreads for twisted math reasoning.
You can easily twist math the way you want it to be and thats what he is doing here.

I have read into Gammas first game a little and VI could make sense for him but i still need to read the other games to see how he developed his playstyle.

My calculation was intended to show that,

if

Gamma is Town,

then

Huntress is scum. I'm giving the "Gamma Is Town" hypothesis a good look because I think that House has a good point; leaving House alive looks a lot like trying to end up getting Gamma lynched, which suggests that it might be a mislynch.

I feel like more than House fos'd him though. Me you and Manuel all fos'd him. So, I really don't see it that way right now. I mean you could argue that House would be more aggressive in his lynch, but still.

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Actually: Gerry Huntress Manuel Jester CCC I suggest you all do color coded reads too.

I hope I do this right lol, if i mess up the colors i'll just repost with the colors written out in words

House

Manuel

CCC

Huntress

Jester

gamma

I think I've explained most of my reads already, but if anyone has any questions, lemme know.

You're sheeping your scumread... do you really expect scum is going to bus in this situation?

Sheeping my scumread..???? Unless you missed my post, which I don't think you did. I clearly stated that it looked like gamma was setting up for the next day against jester. Which is why I have gamma a different color than jester. I believe there is at least 1 mafia in them and the most likely is gamma, because of the way it looked like he set up. "If this flips town, im lynching you tomorrow" is a weird thing to say to someone that you also fos'd.

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I don't think CCC is the best vote today, but I do like his case on him. But, I also like CCC's responses, so I would prefer not to vote him.

Waffle much?

A gerry flip could be telling on CCC's alignment.

I don't get this post. He's my null read because of the fact that even though you had a good case against him, his responses were very good. I could try and quote the responses if you really think so

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don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

(I'm thinking there is at least 1 maf in there. It might be Victor or CCC, but I'm not really sure.)

I wonder why he avoided mentioning eager as possible scum in that list.

Because I said I TR Grendel you and eager. Now you're just grasping at straws. You could say the same thing about yourself. Yes, I was wrong on the eager read, but I thought he was town.

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Also what are the votes at right now? I think eager might be close to L-1. And I think Square should be L-2 or 3 right?

Where is the railing against the eager wagon? He's your second top townread (answering my above post), is he not?

Yet he's approaching L-1 and you aren't trying to stop his lynch... why?

EBWOP

I was trying to stop the eager lynch and trying to get square lynched. Did you not see me trying to get everyone to lynch square. that was Victor's ENTIRE case on me. You're just selective reading right now, which gives you the wrong impression. Reread the convo between me and victor yesterday. He fos'd me for trying to get votes off eager. And blamed me for making HIM switch.

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I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

please explain why i'm mafia. because i tr eagersnake? like a few other people? Yes, because as mafia i'd hard buddy my GOON. especially when he was getting lynched.

Okay, I believe this is a slip. He seems to

know

there is a role other than goon on the mafia team.

VOTE: gerryoat

How is this a slip? Most mafia setups have more than just a goon. My first game on this site i was mafia. The setup that I was in that had 2 maf goons and a traitor encryptor. and I was mafia goon, and I actually thought it was unbalanced. So I'm guessing the fact there is a JOAT (with RB capabilities. not to mention the watcher and the BG). There has to be a stronger role than just goon. What would be the point of the RB there with possibly 3 mafia goons?

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main reason I didn't believe him claim. it was possible auto win if he was on PR, that was his fault.

Only possible autowin if there are only two scum with a goon and scumPR setup.

If that's the case, gerry here is most likely our scumPR.

LOL how is this a slip? Do you realize that if watcher was on mafia we have 1 more confirmed mafia. THEN we have you being BG on the watcher, they couldn't kill the watcher and watcher would be on you. That it confirmed auto win with 2 scums remaining. Unless mafia also has like a RB or something, but idk.

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I assumed that meant that he wasn't happy about hammering the PR and being fos'd today

By who? Gamma?

Why would he care about that when

Gamma is the mislynch of the day?

Good point

, but I think it was more of a sense that everyone was saying the hammer was bad and he was scared to be pushed on. Then again, would mafia really make a hammer that bad? From my experience I've seen mafia shy away from hammers that could make them look in a bad light.

OMG!!

Your 'slips' are funny. I was saying that's a good point from jesters view if jester is mafia and gamma town

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VOTE: Gerryoat
That last one is not fully AI, but it all lines up.

LMAO. HOUSE. DO YOU NOT NOTICE HOW GAMMA FOLLOWS YOU EVERYWHERE AFTER BEFORE STATING HE FOS'D YOU.

Gamma, please tell me what makes me mafia. Where are your reads now? Color coded.

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If he wasn't pushing the wagon, sure it wouldn't be AI, but what town considers their top scumspect a mislynch???

I still think you're town, but your push is really bad for the reasons I just stated. Please review my responses.

[gerryoat]

Manuel

House

CCC

Jester

Huntress

Gerry

@House. Do you not see how he's just riding on your coattails. Doing whatever you do? How do you not scumread that.

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House says jump, gamma asks how high.

Gamma why do you fos me? I made responses to all of House's allegations.

I changed my mind, house. Don't respond to any of my responses right now. I want gamma to. So, gamma. Why am I mafia?

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OK. Here's why. You stated me as a mislynch while keeping your vote on me.

I just explained that it was taken out of context.

Try again.

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@Manuel Because, it doesn't make sense to? If I was mafia I would just buss the goon in that situation, rather than making myself look bad for getting votes on someone else. It doesn't make much sense to me, but then again, that's just the way I play.

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I don't think gerry ever even called me a mislynch looking back.
Huntress is back to top scumread.
VOTE: Huntress

LOL gamma. So basically you admit to only sheeping house and not really having a reason to vote me?

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Well who is scum then? Other than me.

This speaks for itself

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Hey House what are the chances you're scum?

I've been harassing the shit out of Gamma all game long, calling him scum.

Ask him if I'm scum.

I started the game accusing CCC.

Ask him if I'm scum.

I strongarmed a lynch on eager

when nobody was pushing him

on d1

.

I would tell you to ask him if I'm scum, but he flipped red.

Gamma's last few posts have been garbage. I refuse to believe you can townread him right now

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My bad, forgot the 3rd mislynch meant loss. Alright then, can be either 2 man or 3 man.

I'll ISO CCC and gerry, brb

inb4 "omg House is setting up lynches"

Pedit: that doesn't clear CCC in the least

Don't worry, gerry slipped on mass banana peels.

They're most likely getting lynched tomorrow regardless of the flip.

I already explained how it wasn't a slip, and you're being ignorant if you aren't going to read my posts. If you're town, you're saying that regardless of huntress' flip, that I would be mafia. So why wouldn't you be pushing on me harder right now? That seems a bit weird to me

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I refuse to believe you can townread him right now

I don't care what you believe, scum.

IF I AM SO SCUM, WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING ME. YOUR READS DON'T MATCH UP WITH YOUR ACTIONS. IF I WAS MAFIA TO YOU REGARDLESS OF HUNTRESS FLIP, WHY WOULDNT YOU VOTE ME TODAY???? YOUR READS AND ACTIONS DONT MATCH AT ALL.

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So why wouldn't you be pushing on me harder right now?

One day, one scum.

Plenty of time for you tomorrow.

Gamma is literally obvious scum and the fact you're probably being played by him is depressing

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I refuse to believe you can townread him right now

I don't care what you believe, scum.

IF I AM SO SCUM, WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING ME. YOUR READS DON'T MATCH UP WITH YOUR ACTIONS. IF I WAS MAFIA TO YOU REGARDLESS OF HUNTRESS FLIP, WHY WOULDNT YOU VOTE ME TODAY???? YOUR READS AND ACTIONS DONT MATCH AT ALL.

Your desperation is delicious.

Huntress HAS to be scum, because if she was town, CCC would have to be scum and that's not happening for reasons already started.

By all means, keep flailing.

HOW IS IT FLAILING WHEN IM POINTING OUT WHERE YOU DONT MAKE SENSE. VOTE GAMMA NOT HUNTRESS RIGHT NOW, I LITERALLY QUOTED WHY HE'S OBVIOUS MAFIA

[gerryoat]

If Huntress flips scum: House will be town

If Huntress flips town: House will be mafia with Gamma

I think it's possible that he hard pushed on eager day 1 to bus to seem clear.

[gerryoat]

You're trying to get me to quick hammer to a potential lylo? Nice try.

[gerryoat]

House as mafia would try and get me to quick hammer to go to probably lylo and then push on me for quick hammering tomorrow.

[gerryoat]

house the way you're playing is seriously making me think you could be mafia with gamma. I see no other reason to townread gamma for anything he's said the past few pages. He's hopped back and forth on lynches for 0 reasons, and even when grilled about those reasons, he didn't say much.

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House as mafia would try and get me to quick hammer to go to probably lylo and then push on me for quick hammering tomorrow.

Bullshit, because I straight up told you to hammer and that's quite simple to quote.

No shit. But you could simply say this if you were maf and huntress is town "as maf he took the opportunity to quick hammer a town"

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Trying to get me to quick hammer Huntress without making her claim? Nice try, I may be on board with huntress and say House could actually be mafia who bussed.

[gerryoat]

House successfully trying to use his pocket attempt day 1 on the bus to control town. You played well House, but I figured you out. Now you're nervous trying to get a hammer before I can expose you more

[gerryoat]

Actually, I don't need to. If this flips town, then that will do everything. If this flips maf, then I will admit I was wrong, and tip my hat to you.

[gerryoat]

IF you're BG who were you on yesterday? Did you not TR grendel?

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IF you're BG who were you on yesterday? Did you not TR grendel?

Sure did.

One of us were dying either way, if you wanted to be dumb enough kill him, I let you.

Here's the thing though, the time to question my claim with any credibility would have been yesterDay when Victor was pushing me.

There have been no counterclaims and me fakeclaiming something as bleh as bodyguard would have been suicide as scum.

Because I didn't think about it, I had you marked as town and was more worried about him being mafia. You still didn't out who you were on. So you protected no one? That makes no sense. If you were on grendel it was potential auto win for town. As you could have killed mafia. So that's a bullshit reasoning.

[gerryoat]

BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

[gerryoat]

So you wouldn't take a 50% chance of potential auto win? Thanks for letting us know

[gerryoat]

Wait what. BG doesn't have a 50% chance of killing mafia? Sorry that's how it works on epicmafia, so I figured it worked like that here.

Also the fact that gamma didn't correct me, knowing how the role works on EM and here, makes me even more sure he is mafia

[gerryoat]

Anyway, as mafia I would have killed the claimed BG, cause that's how I figured it worked. And would have assumed it was potential auto loss if I didn't

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Wait what. BG doesn't have a 50% chance of killing mafia? Sorry that's how it works on epicmafia, so I figured it worked like that here.

Also the fact that gamma didn't correct me, knowing how the role works on EM and here, makes me even more sure he is mafia

Non. Gamma would have killed me last night. I've been a nightmare to him.

Then explain how he didn't try and correct me, and instead wanted to make me look bad because of my flawed logic?

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BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

How is this correcting? I was saying 50/50. You know how it works on epicmafia. It's 50/50 so always isn't correcting me

[gerryoat]

On epicmafia it is 50/50. Either BG dies or mafia dies. SO when he said 'always" I was saying, 'yes, I was saying it was 50/50 wtf are you talking about' basically.

[gerryoat]

^

@mal that's why I said it twice in that situation.

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BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

I mean not all implementations.

So you wouldn't take a 50% chance of potential auto win? Thanks for letting us know

Even if you thought it was 50/50, that last post made zero sense. He told you it might not be 50/50 but you're still going with it.

I don't get what you're saying. He stated he KNEW it didn't work like epicmafia, but still didn't correct me

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Oh I see what you mean now. I thought he was trying to rationalize house not being on someone in the way I thought it worked, which is why I was saying he wouldn't take the chance?

[gerryoat]

VOTE: House

Don't see the point of there being a BP and a BG. I think House is fake in the two.

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VOTE: House

Don't see the point of there being a BP and a BG. I think House is fake in the two.

Why do you say

House

is the fake one?

Because I think him and Gamma are the team. His refusal to admit Gamma's scumminess is something I don't think he'd do as town.

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He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.

If he was scum he could have easily justified hammering Huntress and had my support tomorrow if he left me alive.

Look at Gerry's play dude. He DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ME UNTIL I DERAILED THE GAMMA WAGON AND STARTED PUSHING HUNTRESS.

His scumclaiming is all over the place, and the association with Huntress is so glaringly obvious it hurts.

BECAUSE GAMMA IS OBVIOUS MAFIA. IF YOU CANT REALIZE THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE MAFIA, YOU CANNOT BE THIS BAD AS TO TOWNREAD HIM

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Manuel is my only TR. I think CCC is being dumb town for not realizing that it was optimal for house to bus eager and take control of the town. He also made 0 sense as to why he would be on no one as BG. IF you line all these things up, you can see that House is mafia. Gamma being the obvious partner.

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What are votes at right now, btw?

Also Huntress can you out your reads please? Do you also think House and Gamma? Or are you still fixated on House and CCC. Personally I think CCC is town and being wrong here.

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Gerry, if you're town Manuel87 has to be scum.

DO NOT LET THIS GO after I'm dead because it's the only way we'll win if I'm NK'ed and you're town.

hahahahaha yeah, ok. Now you're just trying to cast doubt on the one universal TR. Nice try.

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He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.

If he was scum he could have easily justified hammering Huntress and had my support tomorrow if he left me alive.

Look at Gerry's play dude. He DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ME UNTIL I DERAILED THE GAMMA WAGON AND STARTED PUSHING HUNTRESS.

His scumclaiming is all over the place, and the association with Huntress is so glaringly obvious it hurts.

BECAUSE GAMMA IS OBVIOUS MAFIA. IF YOU CANT REALIZE THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE MAFIA, YOU CANNOT BE THIS BAD AS TO TOWNREAD HIM

IN NO WORLD EVER DOES GAMMA!SCUM LEAVE ME ALIVE AFTER D2.

Have you ever thought maybe he PR read Grendel? What you're saying can be easily answered something like that

[gerryoat]

He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.

If he was scum he could have easily justified hammering Huntress and had my support tomorrow if he left me alive.

Look at Gerry's play dude. He DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ME UNTIL I DERAILED THE GAMMA WAGON AND STARTED PUSHING HUNTRESS.

His scumclaiming is all over the place, and the association with Huntress is so glaringly obvious it hurts.

BECAUSE GAMMA IS OBVIOUS MAFIA. IF YOU CANT REALIZE THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE MAFIA, YOU CANNOT BE THIS BAD AS TO TOWNREAD HIM

IN NO WORLD EVER DOES GAMMA!SCUM LEAVE ME ALIVE AFTER D2.

Have you ever thought maybe he PR read Grendel? What you're saying can be easily answered something like that

Do you not remember House claimed BG?

Maybe you didn't believe his claim? Since he was asking for a doc on him. IDK. Im just giving one possible reason. Either way, you and House are scum and you're lucky the rest of the town are being two blind to see.

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I'm 100% confident that this is a ML right now and you are both mafia. House trying to get me to hammer Huntress and selling me on Manuel being town despite the fact that he says me and Huntress are partners makes them obvious partners.

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How much time is left in the day?

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No, I'm saying that YOU and GAMMA are partners. Stop trying to twist my words. You're trying to sell me on Manuel being mafia to cast doubt on the universal TR

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Manuel are you willing to lynch gamma today? Huntress you too?

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Oh my fuck.
If mal, Manuel, or CCC agrees to this shit charade I'm gonna replace out, because I can't watch you guys act so plainly against your own win con.

Notice how Gamma is squirming but HOUSE doesn't say ANYTHING about it. But says I'm squirming. hahahhaa, they are both obvious partners

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LMAO CCC YOU'RE SO BAD.

I SAID I'D VOTE GAMMA BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT TO, SO I'D GET HOUSE INSTEAD.

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VOTE: House

Don't see the point of there being a BP and a BG. I think House is fake in the two.

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my reasoning for voting house was not only because of the fact that House was prtecting gamma, but the fact that I don't think there would be a BP and a BG and I think House would be fake in the two. So, can you rethink and unvote CCC, I think you're mistaken.

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If I'm so devious that I sell out my own, unsuspected buddy d1 for towncred, why am I also so stupid as to fakeclaim such a shit PR as bodyguard that leaves me fielding one accusation after another about why I'm still alive?

Herp a derp.

You still haven't given me a reason as to why Huntress is mafia. All you keep saying is I'm maf with her.

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How was I chainsawing? As I said, I can't be mafia, if I was mafia I would have killed ou when you claimed BG because of how I thought BG worked.

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How was I chainsawing? As I said, I can't be mafia, if I was mafia I would have killed ou when you claimed BG because of how I thought BG worked.

1) Nice use of "if I was scum..."
2) Huntress could have swayed you towards a Grendel kill.

He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.

If he was scum he could have easily justified hammering Huntress and had my support tomorrow if he left me alive.

Look at Gerry's play dude. He DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ME UNTIL I DERAILED THE GAMMA WAGON AND STARTED PUSHING HUNTRESS.

His scumclaiming is all over the place, and the association with Huntress is so glaringly obvious it hurts.

BECAUSE GAMMA IS OBVIOUS MAFIA. IF YOU CANT REALIZE THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE MAFIA, YOU CANNOT BE THIS BAD AS TO TOWNREAD HIM

IN NO WORLD EVER DOES GAMMA!SCUM LEAVE ME ALIVE AFTER D2.

Have you ever thought maybe he PR read Grendel? What you're saying can be easily answered something like that

Do you not remember House claimed BG?

Maybe you didn't believe his claim? Since he was asking for a doc on him. IDK. Im just giving one possible reason. Either way, you and House are scum and you're lucky the rest of the town are being two blind to see.

So you are so desperate that you are now telling people what they believe?

What do I believe, gerry? Do I believe in UFO's?

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1. gerryoat
2. Gamma Emerald
4. House
5. CCC
7. Huntress
8. Manuel87
9. The_Jester

Manuel87 - cleared by scum d1
Gamma - cleared by scum n2
CCC - cleared by House

Leaving...

gerry
Huntress
mal

Gerry/mal isn't impossible, but I don't see it. Huntress HAS been lurkerscum as shit and only showed any real signs of life after it was her neck on the chopping block.

mal stating intent to hammer had me thinking he was an unlikely partner with her, but... where is it?

Gerry makes the most sense as her partner due to his ridiculously ragey white knighting when she came under heat.

I'm seriously not even mafia, and if you're town you need to unvote. But, if you aren't town then that's the only reason you'd continue to vote me.

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As I said, if I was wrong on Huntress, I'll tip my hat to you tomorrow and gladly accept a lynch. But, I think she's town.

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Manuel/mal, the fact Huntress was at L-1 for so long and unhammered should tell you she's scum.

Town has to work together at this stage in the game to lynch scum because they're in full on survival mode and won't be bussing.

So how does that = voting me?

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What happens if she flips town?

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Cause right now, I'm scared that if she is lynched and flips town I will be lynched and we lose.

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Okay, can you unvote at least while I think.

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Can someone tell me if there is always 3 mafia in this setup with this many people? or is it possible there is only 2.

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If Huntress is mafia, then I don't know who can be partner. idk if gamma would be partners with her, but I won't rule it out. I don't think Huntress and CCC are partners unless they both bussed.

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The reason I think mal is town is because what gamma said and was setting up, so

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@gerry you're a dumbass. Did you not play Mini Normal 1832?

OH RIGHT LOL. So it is possible for there to be only 2 maf.

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Gamma, if you're town, which I still doubt, but still. I've read you wrong before, so it's possible I'm wrong here. Can you unvote. Tell me why you think Huntress is maf

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@gerry you're a dumbass. Did you not play Mini Normal 1832?

OH RIGHT LOL. So it is possible for there to be only 2 maf.

And how many town PRs were there?
3.

okay, okay. as I said i you're town can you unvote and explain to me why huntress is mafia

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I still want him to explain to me why huntress is mafia

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What was bad about her day 1? She subbed in so I think she was rereading. Which is why I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

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Oh right I forgot you were a sub too. Why did you think they were scum?

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Okay, well. whatever, you guys think I was defending huntress cause she's my partner, but I thought she would be town. I didn't see mafia claiming BP as that's what maf usually claims, so I wouldn't think she'd do that. I've read gamma wrong before, so I can be wrong here as I was really confident in that game too.

VOTE: Huntress

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Huntress were you maf?

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fisovojasfoja I'm sorry, I shoulda just stuck with my reads.

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who do you fos the most?

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Manuel/mal, the fact Huntress was at L-1 for so long and unhammered should tell you she's scum.

Nope. It tells you that there is scum on my wagon.

If you're really Town - and, honestly, the fact that you're still posting as Town even after the hammer says a

lot

in favour of you being Town - then yes, everyone on your wagon will need to be re-considered.

And everyone else, as well.

I've seen scum post as town after being hammered before.

Hmmmmm. Fair enough. She hasn't actually been confirmed Town yet; and there's no action that can be taken to prevent her flip at this point.

If she flips red, then Gerryoat is still a strong probability for the final scum

- his Huntress vote could have been simple self-preservation (on the basis that if one scum is going to die, the other might as well get some towncred from it). Malpa is the other possibility. (But, interesting note; aside from Huntress herself, the only person not on the Huntress wagon is Manuel. That means that there's some bussing going on, or only to scum, or Manuel is the last scum).

If she flips green, though... then I have to give serious consideration to scum!House.

OH fuck off. I'm the one who didn't even want huntress and you forced it to be either me or her. I was eventually convinced that it was possible that she was last scum but it took a week. stop trying to put me as mafia when I outed reasons as to why I thought House and Gamma were mafia. Even when I change my mind I'm still maf? How does that even work?

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So there was actually 4 PR. wow, i actually have no clue who is mafia now.

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I'm vanilla townie as well

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Do you think house died saving someone or was killed?

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@CCC and manuel can you both claim

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ugh, i had the feeling that huntress was town and I was right. it was a mislynch either way if it was me or her.

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i'm the only one who defended huntress and when I did, I was going to be lynched for it. please tell me as scum why I would defend PR that much to a point where I was going to be lynched for it

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I think Manuel is Town for sure. I think gamma and mal are prob not a team. those are my reads, so it's possible CCC could be mafia here if there is 2 since the other two might not be teamed