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Where did I say I don't really care who we lynch? I most certainly do care, I want to lynch scum. However, in case you haven't noticed, none of the people I've voted for were in any danger whatsoever of being lynched.Nudude wrote:If you don't really care who your voting for, maybe you don't really care who we lynch? That's what got me suspicous.
Yeah, I put someone at L-1 because I wasn't thinking and I was the prime suspect for scum for the rest of the game. (when I was in fact the cop)Infinitive wrote:Hey, I got L-1'd on the first page of my first game. Sometimes people just have a brain fart when they're setting the random votes. I'm still not convinced of anything.
The corollary is that I got lynched on the top of page 4, so maybe that just means that my first game was screwy.
Where am I "sticking up for" let alone even talking about/with Dark lady shaiann? I don't see where Infinitive does this either. Care to explain your statement?VampyreLord wrote:Bah, charter and Infinitive are both sticking up for DLS. Could be a link between any of them. Could be Scum, Masons or Cult. Ain't much but at least something. IGMEOY.charter wrote:Yeah, I put someone at L-1 because I wasn't thinking and I was the prime suspect for scum for the rest of the game. (when I was in fact the cop)Infinitive wrote:Hey, I got L-1'd on the first page of my first game. Sometimes people just have a brain fart when they're setting the random votes. I'm still not convinced of anything.
The corollary is that I got lynched on the top of page 4, so maybe that just means that my first game was screwy.
That's a good way of putting it. I'm trying to learn from my past mistakes. I'm not quite sure I want to vote for vampyrelord, but if his explanation isn't good I might be inclined to.Gorgon wrote:HeH also has a good point against VampyreLord. I eagerly await his explanation of why he said charter and Infinitive were 'sticking up for' DLS just because they mentioned earlier games they were in where there was a fast early bandwagon that was not scum-motivated. Looks to me like just using past experience to warn against not drawing conclusions too hastily.
I think I'll motivate VL with a vote.
Unvote
Vote: VampyreLord
I'm merely voting for SK to try and get him/her to talk. When they post something (assuming it doesn't give me a reason to keep my vote on them) I'll most likely take it off.Infinitive wrote:Be careful a bandwagon doesn't form here, people. If nothing else, it's foolish to become suspicious of someone because they haven't posted recently, and then to lynch them before they say anything about the increasing number of votes against them.
I want to hear from Shotgun Kitten, if at all possible, before we get any closer to a lynch. Right now, I'm still more suspicious of DLS, but SK does need to explain him/herself. OTOH, lunching a possible townie because of impatience is very dangerous.
It's quite difficult. We have SK and lord nikon who haven't posted in entirely too long.Infinitive wrote:Okay, I've kind of had it here. Nobody's posted for the better part of a day.
Come on, guys. Let's have a little action, hmmm?
I don't get this. You need more information about what? About who you think is scum. This sentence confuses me a lot and is unacceptable as your only post in a long time.Disciple Slayer wrote:Ho-hum. Need more information here.
I don't really see how my voting on you because it took you three posts to put up a random vote (a joking vote on you in case it wasn't obvious) makes me suspicious. Also, this all happened in the first couple of posts. I don't like how you're still clinging to that. It seems like a very weak argument to say the least.Disciple Slayer wrote:Gave Charter an FOS because I didn't like how he voted me. OMGUS voted VampyreLord. I really can't say which of the two seem more suspicious at the moment. I was waiting for Shotgun_Kitten and Lord Nikon to post before posting more.
I don't like how you vote for liamcool and then immediately make a new post after unvoting him and then voting deepthought. Personally, I would have kept my vote on liamcool and just stated the reasons why you suspect deepthought. I think its very suspicious that you are switching your vote around like this this far into day one.Hang 'em High wrote:Unvote: liamcool
Vote: deepthought
He explained after I asked him about it. After his explanation, I can understand what he did and don't find it scummy. I've done it before too.Gorgon wrote:How is this scummy exactly? I feel HeH explained his thought process adequately ... he went back and reread.charter wrote:I don't like how you vote for liamcool and then immediately make a new post after unvoting him and then voting deepthought. Personally, I would have kept my vote on liamcool and just stated the reasons why you suspect deepthought. I think its very suspicious that you are switching your vote around like this this far into day one.
So when there's a 3/4 chance she's town, you want to lynch her anyway? I can't possibly imagine you have some info that pushes this chance lower.deepthought wrote:There's a 75% chancecharter wrote:He seems fairly adament that we get rid of her by any means necessary. I think this is dumb because we have virtually no information on her, and I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that she's scum based on almost nothing. It certainly isn't enough for me to lynch someone on. All I can go by is probabilities, and there's a greater chance, she is in fact, a townie.anygiven player in the game is a townie, power roles notwithstanding.
Next.
I agree with gorgon. If you weren't scum, you would have said something like there's probably a 75% chance she's town. You however, said definitively there's a 75% chance she's town. No one in the town, other than mafia, would know this.deepthought wrote:I've modded 12-player games before, so I'm about 95% sure; unless there are a handful of third parties, 2's too few and 4's too many.Gorgon wrote: Uh oh. Major alarm bells. Sounds to me like you're saying you know for sure that there are 3 scum. Tsk tsk tsk.
You pretty much reiterated what everyone else has already deduced. Still haven't been actively looking for scum, just latching onto other people's suspicions.liamcool wrote:@laimcool.You haven't really done any scumhunting and I'd like your opinion. Who do you find most suspicious? Why?
Based off the last page or so (the new conversation), I have a fairly strong suspicion (about 60%) or so that deepthought is scum. He seems to want Shotgun Kitten to be killed rather than replaced, which is kinda suspicious. Also, he apparently knows that there are three mafia. He stated that with a lot of convinction and knowledge. For all we know, this might be a non-standard game with 2 or 4 mafia, or even a bastard mod game with screwed up roles. Highly unlikely for the second instance though.
viewtopic.php?t=5939Thanatos wrote:Charter's story bugged me..can we get a link to that game to confirm it?
How were you so positive SK was scum that you wanted her to be modkilled? She had like two posts and neither said anything. I had no inkling as to whether she was town or scum. Wouldn't you rather try and find and lynch another scum who you can be more sure about?deepthought wrote:In this game, a modkill would've eliminated a player I think may be scum. More broadly, it gives people an incentive not to lurk and play off of people's unwillingness to kill of lurkers (which otherwise ruins the game and is massively unsportsmanlike). Replacement's preferable when it can be done, but either would've worked for me.
I'm a guy, but if you make a slip I'll know why, else I'd have thought you were a very confused person.Thanatos wrote:Charter: Thanks. Seems to look good enough.
Oh, and on a side note, I hate to ask this, but are you male or female? I ask because your name reminds me of Carter, a girl, so I apply that gender to you, and It's kinda baseless, but confusing for me.
Completely agree with this.Nudude wrote:Ok, my thoughts.
deepthought, I believe everyone is aware lynching a townie D1 is not the end of the world, however we want to do everything in our power to make sure we nail scum if we can.
You've made it quite clear that it's not really a big deal to you if we lynch scum or town on the first day. Now to be fair, if a lynch turns up townie that does give us more insight into who is scum. We can better analyse the lynched townie thoughts and know for 100% that it was a townie's thoughts, and who pushed for the lynch ie. who seemd toknowthey were lynching a townie? So yes, I'm willing to concede it isn't game breaking.
This, to me, means "I'm mafia. I'm going to roleclaim to try and save myself. The fact that he was thinking of impersonating the cop is ridiculous to me. There's no possible way lynching you is the wrong course of action. In all likelyhood, you're scum, because you're doing a great job of acting like it. If you are a townie. I highly doubt you're the doctor, and you're lying to the rest of us, and you'll make the town self destruct.deepthought wrote:No it isn't. If I were scum fishing for a safe claim I'd pick miller or bulletproof.Thanatos wrote:All I can say is that Doc is one of the best claims a scum can make. I want to see what happens for now.
If it makes you feel any better, I was considering claiming cop to draw out the real one and fuck with the town but thought better of it.
I don't know about liam, if we lynch him and he turns out to be scum, then deepthought is almost certainly scum as well. If he turns out to be town, he really hasn't given us anything to go with. Deepthought, on the other hand, has said lots of his own ideas and has had interactions with many people. liamcool has had a few mediocre posts, and hasn't really clashed with anyone.Thanatos wrote:Anyways, this is my case against Liam. I think he is scumbuddies with DT. I think that, if we do not wish to risk killing the doctor tonight, a good examination of Liam is a good option, andI believe he is the way to go for today's lynch, not so much because of himself, but I feel that his interactions with DT will make for an interesting D2 discussion, if we know Liam's alignment.
At this point, I'm leaning towards both being town. I doubt scum would attract attention like that to accomplish nothing.Nudude wrote:Now the people of the hour, DLS and DS. DLS's mannerisims have seemed a bit strange, and perhaps the message she was trying to convey got misconstrued, but she's strange in a way that does not further the cause of any imaginable scum agenda. I'm leaning to her innocence at this moment.
As for you DS, I can see your point of view, I'd rather vote for a jerk than someone I got along with, and if two people are scummy, you gotta vote for one right, so why not the jerk? Perfectly reasonable logic.
To be honest, do you feel perhaps some of the things you said to be out of line, "Jerkish" perhaps? By your logic, it would encourage people to vote for you. Having said that, I also feel you are innocent.
Glad to have you guys focusing on scumhunting again
Is this just a hunch as to who you think are scum? Or would you like to explain why you voted for infinitive?deepthought wrote:If I had to snap the ball right this minute I'd say Infinitive, DS, and liamcool, so
vote Infinitive
I did. You provided your thoughts on every player, and infinitive and DS got no more mention than anyone else. You didn't seem to have a very good case against either, but still say that "infinitive and DS are scummier than an algae factory" yet you don't back this up very well. liamcool is bundled with the other lurkers and somehow you just pick him out of thin air? What happened to nikon and vampyrelord? Why don't they deserve equal suspicion?deepthought wrote:I already did. Feel free to read it whenever.charter wrote:Is this just a hunch as to who you think are scum? Or would you like to explain why you voted for infinitive?
I asked the same first question and he just dodged it, poorly, but I also want to know why infinitive over the others you find suspicious. And besides liamcool, I don't think any of your suspects are registering on anyone else's radar, so you might want to try a little harder to convince us to vote them rather than you.Disciple Slayer wrote:Can you explain why Infinitive, myself, and liamcool are your mafia suspects? Also, why did you vote Infinitive?
So you just have your "impressions" of everyone? You're not going on anything but your hunches?deepthought wrote:What exactly are you waiting for, someone to roleclaim scum? I gave you my impressions of each player and those three are the ones that looked scummiest at that point - I picked Infinitive because he hasn't said anything for a while. If you agree that liamcool looks scummy, vote him and I'll join in. Doesn't make any particular difference.charter wrote:You didn't seem to have a very good case against either, but still say that "infinitive and DS are scummier than an algae factory" yet you don't back this up very well.
Investigating DT is an utter waste. Even if the cop is sane, and finds DT is a townie or doc, the cop won't be able to convince the town DT isn't scum without blatently revealing himself, which would be stupid unless he has scum to reveal as well.Nudude wrote:The cop needs to do what they think is best. On one hand, I'd strongly recommend investigating DT if we decide to lynch someone else, even though this may waste an investigation
I'd say don't listen to you too.Nudude wrote:On the other hand, I'd say don't listen to me and make up your own mind, because if the scum know what your gonna do, then they can plan accordingly, like if they know your going to investigate DT, then they'll be forced to NK him if he is indeed the doc.
Of course DT is going to find the next most suspicious person and try and make them look as guilty as possible. He doesn't want to get lynched, and making someone look scummier than you is a good way to save yourself for a day or two. I also agree that liam hasn't helped the town, but I'd chalk most of his doings up to being a newbie or stupid. It just hasn't struck me as scummy.Infinitive wrote:I feel uncomfortable saying this (j/k), but... I agree with Deepthought for once.
Liam has been rather scummy and flew right under my radar. He seems, to me, to be about as scummy as Deepthought is. However, I'm going to stick on DT for the moment because, given that the two of them are more or less equally scummy in my eyes, there is rather more public scrutiny on DT right now.
Pretty much all my posts for the last few days have been on this. The fact that he has to decide which role to claim to try and save himself when he's created a mountain of suspicion on himself. No townie would fake a power role to save their own skin. They should do what's best for the town and just take the lynch rather than lie to the rest of the town. It also makes me not believe his claim.VampyreLord wrote:@Nudude, liamcool, Thanatos, charter and Disciple Slayer.
Could you guys all give me a post on why your voting for DT?
I can't imagine any other situation than this if we don't lynch DT today. The scum would have to be crazy to murder him when several people have said they'll lynch him tomorrow if he survives tonight.VampyreLord wrote:(hypothetical situation: DT is pro-town).If we don't lynch DT, I doubt the scum/SK? will NK him because he is so suspicous already, we'll probably lynch him tommorrow, giving the scum another townie-kill.
QFTDisciple Slayer wrote:Try expanding your case against liamcool. You're already in a bad position. I also like how you keep labeling the truckload of valid suspicions against you a "bandwagon".deepthought wrote:You seem to have avoided talking about me altogether (aside from "Thanatos is slightly scummier than DT"), and surely you realize this looks like you trying to avoid a bandwagon you know is going to turn sour at the end of the day.VampyreLord wrote:stuff
I propose a trade: you tell everyone what exactly you think of me and why, and I'll expand my case against liamcool.
How is this anything but a blatent dodge of answering his request? You do this all the time to all kinds of requests. No one else seems to pick up on it and find it to be even more suspicious of you though...deepthought wrote:Do you expect a vampire lord to uphold his end of a bargain after the fact?Disciple Slayer wrote:Try expanding your case against liamcool. You're already in a bad position. I also like how you keep labeling the truckload of valid suspicions against you a "bandwagon".
Because I don't.
I agree a lot with these two assessments, the other ones, maybe not as much. Just curious, but why did you leave me off of your list?Infinitive wrote:Okay, continuing thoughts on various people that need to be examined:
Liamcool: for all the stuff that we were talking about yesterday; we now know that DT was town, and he was MAJORLY suspicious of Liam. I think Liam deserves going over with a magnifying glass, but that's just me.
Thanatos: Thanatos kind of took over the lead on the bandwagon from HEH when he dropped into the game. From there, he posited a number of theories that turned out to be false, all of which served to make DT look scummy. I think Than deserves a very close examination
I find this disturbing. I didn't realize I was invisible like that. I'll have more time to step it up in a day or so when I finally get on break.Infinitive wrote:Uhh... Than, I think you just voted for yourself. Maybe you messed up on the vote tags? Just an observation.
And Charter, I keep neglecting to put you on lists because you somehow manage to fly under my radar no matter what you do. I think this is the third time I've had to do a double-take to realize you're even in the game. Maybe an avatar would help that some. Anyway, Charter probably deserves some examination for his participation in the bandwagon, but I honestly can't remember a thing he's done. I need to go back and read some more before I start pushing people again.
310- Votes for infinitive, thinks infinitive, DS, and liamcool are scum251- deepthought wrote:Hence the reason I decided against it. I have no beef with Num, and it wouldn't be fair to screw up his game while he's putting good effort into making it enjoyable. The rest of you, on the other hand, made it a pretty tempting idea. If more of you had moved beyond shitting on your keyboards and spell-checking the results, and started thinking about the arguments on their merits, maybe the wagon would've turned out differently. Who knows.Hang 'em High wrote:It's basically an attempt to throw the game and is terribly unsportsmanlike.
Personally I think Infinitive and Disciple Slayer are both scummier than an algae factory, and here are my thoughts:
SK / Thanatos- I'd lean town. On the one hand, he's pushed to keep the day focused on a single easy lynch target before and after the roleclaim, coming right out and saying "let's let the lurkers come and finish him off." That's potentially an effort to distance himself from the end of the wagon, force lurking townies into making themselves look more suspicious (by dropping the hammer on a townie, and a power role at that) to set up a progression of lynches, and get rid of the one person willing to accuse him.
On the other, he came right into the game blazing with a vote on shaky reasoning, and I imagine a replacement scum would more carefully consider the potential backfire (accusations of OMGUS voting, overeager play, so on and down the line). It reads to me more like a townie wondering, "how can he possibly think I'm scum whenIknow I'm confirmed town?!" than a scum looking for a strategic kill.
HeH- I'd lean town, with reservations. My initial impression was "only guy in the game that knows what he's doing", so even though I was on the fence for a while I was content to leave him be on the theory that he'd be the most fun to play against later on if he were scum. That said, he was one of two players during the asshole-wagon to explicitly slow down with, "think about what he's saying on the big-picture merits", which is a happy medium between the two scummier (and more common) arguments: "I agree with everyone else's suspicions, vote" and "guys, let's be careful we don't vote off a townie".
charter- About on par with HeH, if a little shakier. Willing to step back and examine the merits of the asshole-wagon in a very "I'm not sure how deepthought is actually aligned"-esque way, but also seems very snipey with his comments. A shot from the wings here, another there.
Lord Nikon- Probably an idiot vanilla townie that got his role, played for a few days, figured his role wasn't important enough to need to tell anyone he didn't feel like playing anymore, and took off. If he played that way as scum and I were a mod, personally I'd blacklist him from future games, but that's neither here nor there.
Nudude- I'd say overeager newbie town.
VampyreLord, liamcool, and Lord Nikon- Each deserve a big red avatar that says "PUSSY" until they grow a pair and stop lurking, but unfortunately you can't buy those here. Odds say one of them is probably scum, and I'd start with VL and liamcool.
DLS and Gorgon- Coinflips.
Disciple Slayer- During the asshole-wagon, interjects just often enough to not be lurking but not often enough to be noticed, and without any substance beyond "I need more info" or "I'm confused, check back later". Jumps on the bandwagon claiming my attitude is "pissing him off" despite the fact that he hasn't actually interacted with anyone in a meaningful way, after it's becomes clear that the wagon is a safe bet, but not before testing the waters with an FoS that he can't be held accountable for. My #2 pick.
Infinitive- Read through post #117; you couldn't make those arguments any more vague if youtried. Agrees with the suspicions posted of me but doesn't jump on the wagon, potentially afraid of being called out for it - even pre-emptively deflects suspicion by saying this is all intentional and links to some stupid "how to be a good townie" thing to allay suspicion in the opening. Hasn't offered an original thought this entire game, I don't think, despite posting more regularly than others.
Hmmm, now that I go back and reread around 430, I can't find where infinitive voted for liamcool at all. I was basing it off of DTs post 431 and infinitives 429 where I guess I just infered it from infinitive's saying he's 90% sure DT is scum and I must of assumed this meant he would be voting for DT.Infinitive wrote:Beg pardon, Charter, i just want a little clarification, because I'm not sure if I need to explain myself or not.
Are you saying that I switched over to the next bandwagon or Liamcool did? Meh, regardless, I might as well explain myself, even though I'm pretty my vote post did that pretty well.Around 430 when infinitive votes for liamcool, I think he liamcool thought that DT wasnt actually going to end up lynched, and he switched right over to liamcool when he even admitted to not finiding liamcool very suspicious. He just wanted to be on the next bandwagon early enough so as to avoid suspicion.
It makes sense, but is entirely pointless. Post something with even a sliver of content or scumhunting if you want me to take my vote off you and stop pushing for others to vote for you.liamcool wrote:Vote Count
Thanatos (2) - Gorgon, Disciple Slayer
liamcool (1) - charter
Disciple Slayer (1) - Thanatos
Not Voting (5) - Dark_Lady_Shaiann, liamcool, Infinitive, Nudude, VampyreLord
Watch the egotism, it's not nice for anyone to read, it just makes people think you're an arsehole and makes the game unpleasant for everyone.Disciple Slayer wrote:Which comment would that be?
I usually am.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:And...yeah, your right.
I'm actually pretty suprised nobody picked up on this, while it's true we need more information, this seems a little drastic.Disciple Slayer wrote:I just gave a PBPA and you FOS me for quoting the words of a dead townie? I think your reasoning is flawed. Here's a vote to pressure you into more information.
Vote: Thanatos
Now watch as DLS rushes to defend him in her next post.
Blackmail, it appears that Disciple Slayer is taking a very aggressive approach, in my view, similar to what deepthought took, which obviously led to his death. Even if it is unlikely, I hope you realise this may lead to your own demise.Disciple Slayer wrote:Post a good reply to my third and longest HeH quote and I might unvote you if you convince me. My vote was initially a pressure vote, but gut instinct tells me your reaction smells rather odd.
If this makes no sense, it's due to me not getting enough sleep recently. If you need to enquire about anything in it, feel free to ask me in about 12-14 hours from this post.
I was kind of wondering that myself. If you mean where she said she wasn't posting until everyone else posted, and then she did anyway, it was very obvious to me that it wasn't a "lie" she just had something to say and didn't feel like waiting on people like me busy with life.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:What evidence?Nudude wrote:Also, due to recent evidence:
Vote: Dark_Lady_Shaiann
His logic seemed a little flawed. I see nothing wrong with making big posts defending yourself when questioned, and I would expect anyone who is being investigated to do that to thoroughly convince the rest of us they aren't scum. I don't think it's scummy that DLS's biggest post is in her defense rather than scum hunting. I suppose I'd like everyones biggest post to be scumhunting, but don't find it suspcious if it isnt.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:Can you tell us why?charter wrote:Ooops, hadn't read page 25 when I made that last post, after reading it I do think nudude could be scum as well.
Could you at least just list them for us? If you don't want to focus on them that's fine, but someone else (myself since liamcool won't post) might want to.Nudude wrote:Now be fair, I am doing my fair share of discussion generating, and I will get around to my list of suspects, but for the moment I'd rather focus on one person at a time.
I'd say the biggest thing I don't like that you're doing is honing in on solely DLS. I suppose it's mostly because I don't think she's scum, so I feel your efforts are being wasted. However, you're making more sense in my eyes. I'm not really seeing you as very scummy anymore.Nudude wrote:I'd say that's a fair assesment. I like to think so far my questioning of DLS has been logical. If you or anyone finds a flaw in my logic, then by all means point it out so we can discuss it.
I'm trying to, but he hasn't shown up in a while and I've made all the case I can from him until he says something else. He's definately my number one suspect right now, and unless he totally changes his play, he's going to stay there.Infinitive wrote:Now, onto my question, and it's a fairly simple one. I have for some time been an advocate of examining Liamcool, and still contend that he is almost certainly scum. However, he has in a very real way ducked under the table on day 2, and as such have given us little to work with, or to provoke discussion. My question is this: Why do you find DLS or Thanatos (as you were questioning both) to be more suspicious than Liamcool? Liam was DT's prime suspect, and HEH also commented a couple of times on the troubling behavior he exhibited. I can't speak for Insurgent, as he wasn't here for long, but it seems to me that the scummiest person to survive day 1 was unquestionably Liamcool (as our suspicion of Thanatos mostly stems from the sour lynch), and I'm honestly surprised that more people aren't interested in investigating him.
You're really just building his case against you. I'm actually starting to see what he's saying, about how you don't look for scum, just defend everything said about you.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:Ok.....I had a nice little speech prepared in response to your post, but when I went back up to read it again for like the third time, I noticed something.
It's because it's a long post in defense of yourself, and if you read my post fully, you see it is NOT why I voted for you, but evidence for the reason I voted for you, which is it seems the only time you make substainsial posts is to defend yourself.I vote for you because you put lots of energy on defending yourself, and very little into scum hunting.
OK, reasons and evidence are almost the same thing. Basically you took it into account when you decided to vote me, so it's a reason, not the only reason, but it's in there somewhere. Thats a discussion DS and I had quite a few times aswell.....
I can only translate this as me defending myself didn't at first make you want to vote me, but now that your second reason is gone, it is obviously enough now. Did you ever maybe consider that defense is the greatest offense? I have never slipt up in my explinations/defenses or whatever the Hell you want to call them, but both you and DS have slipt in your attacks against me, and admitted it. I think I might be on to something here.
I just didn't check to see if I'd gotten to the end of the thread, I just stopped at the bottom of page 24. After reading 25, All I really had to add was added suspicion of nudude, which is pretty much gone now.liamcool wrote:This is a pretty idiotic and spur of the moment thing too, but I'll let it go as maybe you were rushing to make a post or something.charter wrote:Ooops, hadn't read page 25 when I made that last post, after reading it I do think nudude could be scum as well.
There's a good reason all I've done is accuse you of being scum, you're the most suspicious person and you're doing a poor job of explaining yourself. I don't really think I need to build three seperate cases at the same time, one or maybe two should suffice for today. Just because I'm not going after everyone else, doesn't mean I'm not forming opinions on what I think their role is.liamcool wrote:I think we should lean more towards people like Gorgon and charter (in terms of questioning and investigating, anyway). In this day, all they've done is accuse me of being scum, with a lot of emphasis on me and very little on anybody else (compartively). Also, charter has flown under nearly everyone's scumdar, which Infinitive commented on twice, early in the day on posts 495 and 502. Gorgon, though, I'm less suspicious of, because although he did seem to be very focused on killing me earlier, he has gone on to discuss other people.
It's needless to suspect you? Alarm bells are ringing.liamcool wrote:Charter, on the other hand, just continuously, needlessly, suspects me.
I think we already went over this...liamcool wrote:In 544, he fabricates facts based on some misunderstanding he made with not reading Infinitive's posts on day 1.(more to come later as thoughts continue to come to my head. Is double posting under these circumstances accepted or not?)charter wrote:Hmmm, now that I go back and reread around 430, I can't find where infinitive voted for liamcool at all. I was basing it off of DTs post 431 and infinitives 429 where I guess I just infered it from infinitive's saying he's 90% sure DT is scum and I must of assumed this meant he would be voting for DT.Infinitive wrote:Beg pardon, Charter, i just want a little clarification, because I'm not sure if I need to explain myself or not.
Are you saying that I switched over to the next bandwagon or Liamcool did? Meh, regardless, I might as well explain myself, even though I'm pretty my vote post did that pretty well.Around 430 when infinitive votes for liamcool, I think he liamcool thought that DT wasnt actually going to end up lynched, and he switched right over to liamcool when he even admitted to not finiding liamcool very suspicious. He just wanted to be on the next bandwagon early enough so as to avoid suspicion.
Yeah, that was incredibly stupid. Oh well, time to go off and look for scum elsewhere.VampyreLord wrote:First, I'm gonna role-claim as cop. I'm doing this because I inspected liamcool last night and he was innocent. People look like they're close on lynching him, and I don't want to lynch another town.
And Thanatos, where'd your vote move? The top of 26 says it's on DS, and it hasn't been changed since then as far as I can see...
Depending on what you have in here, and how closely it resembles what I would have done, it will probably be enough to change my vote from you to her. She is now hardcore lurking, and her refusal to do scumhunting is making her seem more like scum than you. It's like she has no interest in finding scum, whereas you are somewhat trying.Thanatos wrote:However, upon thinking about it further, I've decided a PBPA would be handy in this situation, on DLS. So, in a day or two, I'll go through and look for all her posts.
This statement screams serial killer to me. So much so that,Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:And when it comes to no-lynching, though it is an option I feel we need to treat that option just as if it was another player. Don't just throw it out there cause you think it would be a safe thing to do, we have to spend as much discussion on that just as we would any one else. Generally, I don't believe a no-lynch is a good idea, but though what Gorgon says is true, (not lynching gives us no information), the night kill(s) will. Though definetly not as desired as a lynch, it's information all the same. Besides, it's not like our previous lynch was very helpful to us. Why risk killing our own when we can have them do it for us and then increase the chances of us hitting them?
Why do I think this comes from the SK? I suppose it could be either SK or scum, but the way you said it makes me believe SK and not mafia. You start out by saying no lynching is option we need to consider. Then say it's not really a good idea. Then say our last lynch was a disastor so why not try not lynching. You've pushed for all three possibilities with not lynching (considering it, not doing it, doing it) but don't commit to any. You're testing the waters to see if anyone else will follow you with a no lynch (which I believe is bad). If you were mafia, you know you could count on at least another person, probably two, so you wouldn't need to be so hesitant to commit, because you know others will follow you. Also makes me think you aren't a mason.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:And when it comes to no-lynching, though it is an option I feel we need to treat that option just as if it was another player. Don't just throw it out there cause you think it would be a safe thing to do, we have to spend as much discussion on that just as we would any one else. Generally, I don't believe a no-lynch is a good idea, but though what Gorgon says is true, (not lynching gives us no information), the night kill(s) will. Though definetly not as desired as a lynch, it's information all the same. Besides, it's not like our previous lynch was very helpful to us. Why risk killing our own when we can have them do it for us and then increase the chances of us hitting them?
Not so sure of this. They would need to hit mafia in order to keep their chances of winning alive, but if we lynch a mafia today and they hit one tonight, the chances of us winning is really good I'd say.Thanatos wrote:Also, if the second kill is a serial killer or a vig, he/she might not kill since both would lose when the Mafia wins.
Yeah, I'd say you're not pro town. Relying on others to question people. If nudude is scum, then what? You're going to base your vote off what he wants you to, unless you're scum too and you don't mind.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:Why couldn't he have grilled some one else in the mean time anyway?
Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:Actually, I never said we needed to consider it.
Hmmmm....Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:And when it comes to no-lynching, though it is an option I feel weneedto treat that option just as if it was another player.
Strengthening my vote is you saying we didn't need to consider it, when you clearly did.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:You explained to me that it's not a very good choice, so I'm not persuing it, but then again, I never was. Basically, you voted me for being ambiguous, not for seemingly wanting a no-lynch.
I agree it's odd that nudude seems to have dropped his interogation, you still aren't questioning anybody, so I still do believe you're relying on others to do the questioning for you.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:And I'm not relying on others to question people for me, only pointing out that Nudude has vanished since he is under the impression that DS will not be back until Wed (tomorrow) and it makes me wonder why he couldn't have just skipped DS for now and gone on to some one else, or stayed around and joined in the discussion that is going on now. It makes me wonder if he really has plans to question any one else, despite the fact he said he had a few people he wanted to talk to. His absense means to me that he isn't really intrested in hearing anything else at the moment, or that Nudude is aware DS is back and hasn't finished puting his case together.
I disagreed with DS early in the game, and he was trying to escalate matters, so I just dropped it. I think that if I'd persued, it would have been me and him making the shitstorm rather than DLS, something that I didn't want, and didn't have time to argue like that. I did recently vote for thanatos, before I voted for DLS. If anything I'd say I've completely avoided Gorgon. I really can't find anything against him. I looked at the beginning of day one, but I couldn't get a strong town or scum feel.Nudude wrote:charter: Correct me if I'm wrong (and by all means do so, I couldn't help but skim some parts of this thread), but I had a very hard time finding anything you posted something that casts suspision on Thanatos or DS. Could be nothing, or it could be your trying to avoid getting a discussion going on them.
I don't know about others, but at least for me, I can't imagine VL making up the plan that someone (I forget who) suggested. Plus, it feels like he's telling the truth. That, coupled with the fact that no one has produced one shred of evidence to the contrary, makes me believe him.Dark_Lady_Shaiann wrote:I don't think VL and Liamcool should be thrown off of our scum lists just yet. Ifinitive mentioned earlier something about a powerplay, and I think that needs to be considered.