Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)
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didn't like his questions in 34 and 40
the purpose isn't immediately clear
like if they're pointed - as in he thinks you're scum then why would he be asking about your behavior like he assumes you're posting for some specific gain, implying town
if that's him trying to get a read on you it's not as bad - but then the follow up is bad because your first response was kinda lame - and then your second response you started to push back a little bit and gave sorta a non-answer so i think the hesitance from him which essentially amounted to "need to see more" felt out of place-
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meh, i don't know why but i expected you to have some kinda soul read on zach by now cuz my impression is you've played a lot together but that's fair
i wanna say town but it's completely gut
actually got some townvibes from jaack's 13 - i mean yea if robert is legit going vla then voting him for not voting isn't great - but i think the flippancy there feels town if that makes sense
bonus points because i thought robert's entrance was awkward too
it'd be cool to know why out of everyone he thought jake was the most untrustworthy before i go more into it this though-
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oh duh, that makes robert's opening a lot less awk looking thenIn post 57, Keyser Söze wrote:Robert2424's RVS post is based on Jake from State Farm's RVS vote:-
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im not sure if you're missing the point here or what but i think it's perfectly fine to not be comfortable with commiting to stances this early on especially when it comes to erratic players like dunnstralIn post 59, xyzzy wrote:my reasoning for not committing to a specific opinion on Dunnstral so far is two-fold
and keyser sorta beat me to the punch here a bit; but what would really help is if you walked everyone through your thought process behind what initially prompted those questions and explain how if you thought that dunnstrals behavior was scummy what about his responses lead you from that to what now appears to be a null read-
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lolIn post 67, Zachstralkita wrote:our souls are actually on very different frequencies, dunn can't read my wavelength in any circumstance so he just likes to bluff like that's not how he lost his whole csgo inventory
think that makes him not immediately committing to a read on you more null then? at first i thought it looked town since when you've got a good track record reading someone or at least more than a few games under your belt and you role scum against them you're more likely to 'get it out of the way' early kinda-
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well you gotta understand that scum aren't always doing everything with the mind of "mislynch mislynch mislynch blood blood blood" at all timesIn post 71, toolenduso wrote:Pretty neutral. The posts people have been talking about do not look all that insidious to me -- this early in the game you have to weigh the possibility that people are looking for a mislynch against the possibility that people are trying to get the game going.
but ive seen people who scumhunt with this mentality and this goes against the grain in a way that feels okay to me-
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not at allIn post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:Yea, not feeling the "town vibes", but if you could explain the "flippancy" part a bit more, cheers - are you in effect saying 'the vote is too bad to be scum'?
it felt like someone trying to break the mold
someone not trying to make friends
it's a page 1 post - not strong - but there
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well your argument for ira is basically too dumb to be scum yea? and that's not a very compelling
i think if rob's rvs post was in response to jake then the wavelength aspect of my read on jack is definitely weakened unless he was oblivious to that as well
and seeing as this came after keyser cleared that up for me - im not completely sure that's the caseIn post 66, Jaack wrote:I would like to hear why robert singled out Jake as someone not to trust.
there's more than one way to look at this post - if you're like me and didn't realize that state farm was talking about his name actually being robert then the tone is just all wrong and looks a lot like scum being cautious and trying to look town earlyIn post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....
if you do realize it - then it's completely harmless
so hinging on that your point about him being stubborn with his read there could potentially be good
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why's tool scum?In post 216, Jaack wrote:I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.-
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i don't know if we can derive much from the group of people who were questioning dunn early considering how much of a spectacle he was making of himselfIn post 221, Jaack wrote:But as for tool=scum he has largely been going with what was popular at the time (early dunn questioning, my mini wagon) it's not much, but it gives me a lingering feeling he's scum.
like yea odds are there's scum within that group just like there's probably scum within any group - but was there anything you saw that sorta set tool apart in that regard?
i get the dissecting your own wagon part of the read, though, some of my most accurate towngames are games ive gotten run up in
slayers gambit
i kinda liked his thing about thinking i was town for the snowball townreads i got, though, that's a pretty out of the box thought for scum to have and i kinda thought the same thing tbh-
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town vote for town all the time, im curious if that's all there is to your read here besides you wanting heuristic to post moreIn post 226, Floof wrote:In post 192, heuristically_alone wrote:VOTE: Zachstralkita
Your first post and post 122 have been the 2 worst posts of the entire game. And in general you got more talk than game.
zach is one of my town reads so I will leave my vote here.-
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i thought that i could maybe get a read on a couple people because my reasons to me were not-obvious enough that if someone conveyed a similar enough thought process that went behind my vote they'd be more likely townIn post 281, heuristically_alone wrote:Still confused about what you meant by this. Were you assuming that we though it obvious why you voted thus?
so basically the opposite-
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i think you elaborated just fine, like to the point where it was over justifiedIn post 257, iraonavp wrote:I shouldn't have moved my vote away, I also think my reasoning for voting Bins was poorly elaborated and possibly partially imaginary.
please explain what about your reasoning now seems imaginary-
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could you clarify your bottom line here a bit moreIn post 297, Keyser Söze wrote:This feels like a manufactured sheep-dump off iraonavp's unsupported logic.
like what does this do for how you feel about their dynamic - more likely town/scum or scum/scum?-
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ight that's coolIn post 305, Keyser Söze wrote:I promise to answer these questions after iraonavp and heuristically_alone have responded to me first .
"tickles?"Zachstralkita wrote:I don't have much to say about him, except the way he uses " town-aligned " and " scum-aligned " tickles me.-
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why?
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yea but i asked you why you've moved on from that read - not to elaborate on it more lolIn post 327, iraonavp wrote:Bins says that if Dunn was scum-aligned, he would've dropped the joking front and became more serious after he was called out for it. I don't think this is true.
I think that this kind of WIFOM logic is used by scum-aligned players to justify their reads on players who are acting oddly, because they know what their alignment really is.
In this example, I was accusing Bins of knowing that Dunnstal was town-aligned, and using his erratic behavior as evidence to support this when it could support any justification, so Bins' inner bias and scum-aligned knowledge is showing.
i just think there's a bit of a jump in your thought process here that doesn't feel town
within your elaboration here even if you don't agree with a certain methodology (how bins was going about approaching how to read dunn) i think that you're forcing scum motive into something that seems like an okay thought process to have
like im following the scum probably stop being loud after getting ridden by multiple people very early on thing well enough and ive taken similar approaches before so you capping it off with a declaration of "i disagree!" and then saying it's a scum thing doesn't sit right
and you going into what you thought was imaginary about it in detail should be a thing you do pretty soon here or else im gonna have to assume that you backed down from your reasoning just because you were getting scumread for it and that ends badly for you-
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i think scum would probably distance from ha early given some of his play that ive seen; he's perpetual lynchbaitIn post 509, Dunnstral wrote:What's the correlation here?
Might want to take a look at Floof either way though tbh
like from memory i thought floofs vote was tacky-
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i guess maybe im still getting back into where the gamestate is at but the ira wagon felt easy to push to a point but then harder at about 3, 4 votes so maybe you've got a pointIn post 513, Jaack wrote:I disagree with this. After h_a's claim, ira was the most likely lynch by a decent margin. Claiming now would buy scum-ira a day (and in the very unlikely event they're scumbuddies, 2+ days)
but on the other hand ira + ha means ira outwardly hard townread a buddy day 1 and you don't really see that very often
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why did you think that was a scumslip?In post 427, Zachstralkita wrote:Largest scumslip of the entire game.-
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dude you said the things you were seeing were imaginary and i took that to mean that you no longer stood by your stance there anymoreIn post 464, iraonavp wrote:I moved on from my read because I thought Kesyer Söze was more suspicious than Bins. I think you are reading me backing down from a read or something when I just moved my vote.-
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?In post 483, Dunnstral wrote:You claiemd too early man
UNVOTE: heuristically_alone
Looks like we're all believing him-
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fuck why do i like this floof postIn post 468, Floof wrote:In post 450, Zachstralkita wrote:why is HA a better lynch than me?
Hey guys just want to say scum doesn't say this.-
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yo calm down i just want him to clarify what he meant thereIn post 535, Zachstralkita wrote:LOL That actually looks kinda slippy the boy said he claimed too early and it was like L-1
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE PRECISE REASON DUNN IS SCUM HE'S THE NEXT ON MY CRUSADE AFTER THE H_A FLIP....-
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are you talking about this?In post 486, Floof wrote:Why are we all unvoting H_A?
cuz this is the most fake-able thing ever-
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we approach this game in fundamentally different ways it seemsIn post 567, iraonavp wrote:don't mind it. I think they're the type of player who looks at every post individually in isolation and then adds up the points, so it's not like their perspective is fluctuating wildly.
i just noticed that early on he townread you which bumped up against my thought process cuz i thought you were scummy as fuck then you start catching heat and he starts transitioning into a scumread on you and it felt fake to me
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probs not buddyIn post 578, Dunnstral wrote:Bins still mafia btw, don't forget about that-
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