Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[Wake1]

Ah. Green Crayons, then.

[Wake1]

night + pre-game is pretty standard

Pre-game is the part people are having a problem with I believe.

Partially right.

I want to understand why you two haven't been talking at all as Neighbors.

Also why you don't/won't quote the mod's posts since he himself said the PT was fair game.

[Wake1]

lol, wake, if you think me criticizing you're failure to articulate your questions in a manner that people can actually understand what you're getting at equates to "distracting from the discussion," then WELP sorry you're wrong.

I'm trying to find out if you were either incorrect Town, or deliberately trying to sabotage my train of thought on the Neighborhood discrepancy.

You made it sound as if I simply wanted to know if the supposed Neighbors have Daytalk.

Well, no. That's not the only reason I'm poking at this. I think you know this, or at least you should if you've been reading my posts.

[Wake1]

What date and time did the mod lock your PT?

[Wake1]

Pretty sure you have to paraphrase everything, BBT. Even stuff from QTs/PTS.

Ninja'd.

I'm surprised you can quote your QT.

From what I know, PTs are fair game. We only ban quoting of Role PMs because usually they are indiscriminate proof of one's alignment. A PT just shows us who youre talking to. It Doesnt really confirm much.

Yeah.

He says he only bans quoting of Role PMs because usually they are indiscriminate proof of one's alignment.

So, share his PT posts.

Unless, of course, they too are indiscriminate proof of your alignments, "Neighbors."

[Wake1]

It tells you nothing.

Which is why the abject hesitation is so inconspicuous.

[Wake1]

We're just learning about it being in night now.
Somethings off.

Please rephrase this.

[Wake1]

I missed them the first time. There's no need to be rude.

1. Yes, BBT is my only neighbor.
2. We do not have day chat.

What's the point here?

This doesn't answer the other prongs of my inquisition.

Besides, you could very well be Scum with Daytalk bullshitting us into thinking you're Neighbors all while our mod refuses to clarify whether Scum can BS about PT posts.

[Wake1]

Saying you don't have daychat shouldn't imply you have nightchat.

Wait a minute.

It should imply you have Nightchat if you say you don't have Daychat, because otherwise how you gonna chat? Only in the pre-game?

Explain a bit further, please, because now you've got me looking in your direction a bit, too.

[Wake1]

Please stop with the personal attacks.

[Wake1]

Some Towns are a fun blast, and others are mucky, boring, contentious gridlock. It's inducing apathy. Trying to not get lost in the messy fighting in this game is proving to be difficult.

[Wake1]

I am for sure not changing my vote, either.

Kindly quote what the mod said in your PT.

You can't, because it's alignment-indicative...

...which shouldn't be if you're Neighbors.

[Wake1]

- wake asks a bunch of questions that repeat themselves (usually tending to deal with the neighborhood mechanic), but the kid's got a good heart and is probtown, so try to look past that failing.

I will be coming for you if BBT flips Scum.

No pressure.

[Wake1]

Post #0 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:13 am
Hi guys, during night and pre game, you may talk here!

Oh?

It is easy to replicate this.

If you're allowed to quote your supposed posts, then perhaps you can screenshoot them, too.

I reckon a screenshot wouldn't be so easy to fake.

I hope he allows me to post it.

I'm going to laugh so hard.

Why did you fight so hard, and why isn't the supposed post in quote tags?

I want you to screenshot it. You're supposedly Neighbors, have already quoted the mod's supposed posts, and mod said it's ok to share those posts. Screenshot them. Soon.

[Wake1]

It would be the first pro-town thing you have done in 54 pages.

You don't get to talk about pro-Town behavior in this game. Every chance you've had you've resisted my prodding questions. You have been particularly anti-Town this game, and I am not afraid to say it like it is.

FG, DP refused to clarify that Scum can't simply quote posts from their QT/PT (with Daytalk or not) and pas it off as if from a Neighborhood.

[Wake1]

I'm not screen-shotting.

Yet again.

I will not change my vote. F*** this scummy, anti-Town crap.

[Wake1]

This would mean that one of them

must be

Town, since this is a Normal game, and

all-scum neighborhoods do not exist

.

Evidence?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_game
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

I'm not finding that assertion in the Wiki.

[Wake1]

Wake, can you explain your vote on me?

The reason I'm voting for you is manifold.


Another reason is that you ignored my post and I had to remind you in 976. And again you ignored me in 978. Only then in 980 did you clarify that his AtE felt fake. I don't understand why you dragged your feet in being forthcoming with the rest of us.

You have not been helpful, and when you do contribute it tends to be small answers. You're not making me feel as if you're willing to be transparent when you keep holding back as if you have something to hide. If you think that will make me go away in this game you are sorely mistaken.

One smaller reason is that you think AtE is alignment-indicative when it isn't. 964

Another reason was you assertion that Flubber should be lynched for essentially contributing nothing, even though others at the time have posted and contributed less than he has. That you wouldn't admit that Flubber has contributed some as well makes me wonder whether or not you're being honest. He has contributed to the game in spite of your false assertion in 1009.

Oh, and another thing. I asked you in 1030

why

you say they've contributed more than Flubber. You re-quoted 1026, but that

does not

answer my question. You refused to share details, and you refused to respond to my 1033. If you're not going to engage, then why are you even here? I'm trying to yank answers and information out of you but you've been the opposite of forthcoming. Your refusal in 1034 is what tripped my response in 1035. At that point you've continued to resist answering questions while denying Town helpful information.

No thanks.

See, there's that vibe again.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Start contributing and working with members of Town. If you're Town then you're messing up because you're refusing to help the Town. If you get mislynched you'll have no one to blame but yourself for your Anti-Town behavior this game.

Because you over-anaylze everything and I really don't want to get into that with you.

VOTE: BBT

Every chance you get you fight to evade inquiry. I want to know

why

.

And yet again you refused to contribute by sharing final reads in 1046. You should have started providing read because you don't know if you could have been hammered, and you certainly shouldn't have been cocky and assert that you weren't in danger of being lynched while at L-1.

For the longest time you fought against sharing the mod's post in your supposed PT. You also say that after 1,200 posts not one more thing has been said in your 2-player Neighborhood. As I predicted, you and TTH came out of the gate as "Neighbors" pointing fingers at each other, yet rather quickly "made up" and passed it over, providing some sort of cover to make everyone believe you're Neighbors. And now you flat-out refuse to provide a screenshot of the PT, even though DP said Neighborhood was fair game and refused to clarify that Scum can't fabricate their PT posts.

Your reactions, BBT, are what has my attention.

[Wake1]

I'm still in this game.

Just very busy.

I also struggle with ADD, so it's hard to focus and takes awhile to tap into hyper-focus.

Plus, it's only Day 1 and there's 61 pages. I'm not spending multiple hours each day rereading the game thread 20+ times while losing all my hair trying to analyze every little thing. I do my part helping the Town. I shouldn't have to expend insane amounts of energy trying to generate activity. Not complaining: just working on my list of priorities in the real world. I want to play the game, but it shouldn't feel like going to medical school when it comes to spending time and energy.

[Wake1]

We've got two days.

With the silence in the supposed Neighborhood and the immense fight against lynching BBT, it makes me wonder.

My vote's staying on BBT for now.

[Wake1]

Eh, I suspect it's a mislynch.

If he flips Town I'll lock onto BBT Day 2.

Boons, have you already claimed?

[Wake1]

Is Boonskiies unCC'd?

[Wake1]

Why are some attempting to vote an unCC'd PR? Someone explain this to me please.

[Wake1]

@wake:

in your opinion, is tracker a common enough role for the lack of a courter claim sufficient evidence to prove the validity of the PR claim?

I'd only go with cop and doctor.

Tracker is fairly common.

[Wake1]

FG, do you think the unCC'd Tracker should be lynched today?

[Wake1]

I am having a difficult time reading FG.

[Wake1]

That relies on the premise that scum think they're going to be lynched.
Faking a neighborhood is 100% possible, there just isn't any proof.

Pray tell me, why on earth would scum_TTH claim neighbor on page 1 expressing suspicion on her buddy, and RUN HIM UP TO EXTENDED L-1, IF SHE'S FULLY AWARE HIS FLIP WILL LEAD TO HER DOOM?

That's borderline playing against their win con.

Anything is possible.

2/3 of their team could be doing that. Unlikely, but possible,

[Wake1]

I am having a difficult time reading FG.

That's nice.

I think you're easy to read in this game.

Oh?

[Wake1]

Did I mistype?

You did not.

I'd like to know which way you're reading me, since you say I'm easy to read in this game.

[Wake1]

Yet you could be Scum trying to placate me, or attempting to stroke my ego.

You may indeed be Town, and unaware that I play this way when Scum, too.

Give me your own feedback on why I'm oh-so-solid-Town this game, so I can compare them with my notes, please. (It'd be nice.)

[Wake1]

By meta.

I was scum with you before, and this is a vastly different style you're employing.

...

Which game?

I've continuously been changing my playstyle.

[Wake1]

Mm. Just over a year ago.

Though accurate, your assertion means little to me.

And I'll hold you to it the remainder of this game, FG.

[Wake1]

So, which wagon will you jump on and why?

[Wake1]

Please don't ask for reasons if they mean little to you, Wake.

Don't mistake my words.

The reasons mean much.

They don't mean you're Town. I should have clarified in that they mean little in sorting out your alignment.

[Wake1]

If that sounded rude, and on reread it could look that way, then I apologize. That wasn't my intent.

[Wake1]

...

Masons and Neighbors?

I find this rather dubious.

My, it's a good thing I kept poking for answers.

[Wake1]

Well, if one flips Town, lynch the other.

Someone in that ring is lying.

Who is the other Mason? Rufflig? He asserted he would not vote for BBT, the so-called Mason-Neighbor. And TTH is the so-called normal Neighbor.

See, folks, this is why I continue to poke and prod for the answers I need.

So are these claims legit in terms of Normality?

[Wake1]

See, folks, this is why I continue to poke and prod for the answers I need.

You contributed to the push that led to our Mason outing.

Please do not be mistaken that you did the right thing.

He chose to out. You always have a choice.

Now we have more information to utilize.

Please do not blame me for doing my job and unraveling things that

do not

make sense.

I did the right thing. BBT, if he is indeed a Mason/Neighbor, should have only claimed the Mason part when at L1. You and I both know this.

[Wake1]

Well then, what's the deal?

This is normal protocol.

Get to L1 and claim, or refuse and die.

[Wake1]

Alright?

So we sort him out later, or we grill him some more.

I don't particularly care. The claim there there's a pair of Masons and a pair of Neighbors, and that one player is a Neighber/Mason is a bit nuts. And I assume they're saying they had pregame chat and Nighttalk only, too. Are there any other claims atm?

I want to get a better understanding if someone in the group is BSing about their supposed PRs.

[Wake1]

Did you claim Tracker?

[Wake1]

Did Csareo claim yet?

[Wake1]

Did anyone else claim or hint at being a PR?

Also, your thoughts on FG's sudden silence?

[Wake1]

If there's a Doctor, who should be protected?

I feel like I'm going to die tonight.

Assuming FG's not Scum, he's calling me solid Town, which may make the Scum more likely to try harming me. I'm an

explosive

player overall, so if they wanna clean my clock let'em. I'll become an even more annoying threat to Scum which each passing Day. You had better get rid of me earlier rather than later.

[Wake1]

Wake, you were part of the push that forced him to claim.

It wouldn't be enough even if you were to apologize for your bad play.

Do not pretend you did the right thing.

So, yeah, did you or did you not hear what I told you?

He had a choice in the matter. He chose to claim. He chose to claim at L1. L1 is the time to claim if you think you don't want to die.

My play wasn't bad. It wasn't bad at all. If it's bad then everyone who gets a suspicious player to claim PR at L1 is guilty of bad play.

What are you doing? Seriously, what are you doing? In did the right thing by unraveling the looses ends until we arrived at its natural conclusion. That's what ever-curious Townies do. You know this. I know this. So, again, I repeat: what are you doing?

[Wake1]

You're wrong.

He had no choice, and you're responsible for it.

Town is in a worse position than it was before.

He had a choice to not get to L1. People tend to get to L1 by being Scummy. Being Scummy is a choice.

If he hadn't of been Scummy he wouldn't of gotten to L1, and if he hadn't of gotten to L1, he wouldn't have been pressured to claim.

You know this. I know this. So, again,

what are you doing

?

[Wake1]

That's crap. Don't even

try

to be elitist about what's correct or incorrect when it comes to hunting Scum. For all we know you could be Scum, so why shouldn't I take all of your words with a grain of salt. You're not fooling anyone, bud.

In my opinion he did and said a LOT of suspicious things. And his Anti-Town bad behavior did him no favors whatsoever. If you're going to blame someone, blame him for not cooperating. Don't even go there, pal. Don't you dare sit there and say that I'm in the wrong for doing what I'm supposed to do by unraveling loose ends looking for answers. That's downright insulting to not only me, but to the game, because when you play the game as Town you do everything you can to uncover the truth. That's what I did. Tough walnuts.

Now if you don't mind, I plan to continue searching for loose ends to unravel. Scum aren't going to uproot themselves, you know.

[Wake1]

I'm not trying to be elitist, Wake.

I'm sincere.

Right.

[Wake1]

You have the right to be offended, my friend. Here, have some spiced oranges to soothe your tender soul.

[Wake1]

So, lynch Csareo?

He's contributed quite a bit.

Rather BBT over him this game.

[Wake1]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6235308'
You have copied and pasted the whole PT, so why couldn't you screenshot it?

@DoctorPepper, Can he do this

No, you cant screenshot it. Thats irrevocable prrof of alignment.

Then the game is compromised because of intense curiosity.

TTH, you say you're a Neighbor, so you should be able to screenshot because it's NOT proof of alignment, correct?

[Wake1]

I don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I'll go ahead and claim since I want input from FakeGod and Rufflig.

I'm a vengeful townie. In the event of my lynch, I get a vigilante kill. Should you all choose to lynch me, I would probably kill massive but I might also think about a shot at Jagged Appliance or Anatole.

I might also shoot Csareo if for no other reason than to cut down on the clutter in the thread and get rid of a distracting noise source.

So you're a Neighbor and a Vengeful Townie?

...

How bombastic.

[Wake1]

I am townreading csareo at the moment.

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

[Wake1]

Wake, do you have an opinion on who I should shoot?

Yes. Yourself, since you ignored my 2002.

I want answers.

[Wake1]

And

you ignored my 2000.

[Wake1]

Why are you ignoring my posts, Scum?

[Wake1]

Wake, do you have an opinion on who I should shoot?

Yes. Yourself, since you ignored my 2002.

I want answers.

Wake, you don't seem to understand.

I'm the one with the kill here. I don't have to answer to you.

Now, if you want to be helpful to me and discuss your reads, I will gladly hear what you have to say. Otherwise, you're going to get left out.

OH NO,

I don't think so.

You are

gravely

mistaken if you think saying you have a kill exempts you from answering questions directed towards you. You will answer me or I will hound you ceaselessly for answers until you inevitable demise. I want you to answer my questions

now

.

[Wake1]

Should TTH flip Scum, I will focus on FG.

[Wake1]

Csareo, if you're Scum you'll want to try to kill me sooner rather than later. Ask AdrienC what happened in Sycamore Shuffle.

[Wake1]

I have accepted my inevitable demise, Wake. In fact, it was the reason I claimed. Sorry, but I'm still not obligated to answer to you. I know what I am.

Unhelpful Anti-Town behavior.

Talk is cheap. Flips aren't.

Strike BBT if you are indeed Vengeful Townie.

[Wake1]

So, again,

what are you doing

?

I'm trying to teach you to be a better player.

TBH, I think you're not as good as you think you are.
Like many others, I'm scum reading you, and if I were scum (and you were town), I would see you as an easy mislynch on D3.
I'm simply letting your bullshit slide on account of me scumreading BBT.

This isn't a matter of proficiency, as you claim.

I had Wake as my scum partner before, and we achieved a perfect win together.

I thought he was a fine person if a bit rough, but he is a very polarizing figure in the site, and many people have negative opinions about him.

As his friend, or at least his acquaintance, I'm genuinely interested in helping him improve. Not necessarily in becoming a better scumhunter, but in becoming a more pleasant person to play this game with.

I differ from Csareo in that I do think you're quite good at this game. That doesn't tell me you're Town, though.

Quite a few people enjoy playing with me, too. So long as I don't call names or get personal we're A-OK.

As Town I often get into it when things aren't making sense, or when certain interactions between players make me suspicious.

I'm working on being forceful, civil, and efficient. If I don't make myself polarizing, the game becomes boring and ceases being fun, because who wants to do all this work if you get no enjoyment out of it?

[Wake1]

I have accepted my inevitable demise, Wake. In fact, it was the reason I claimed. Sorry, but I'm still not obligated to answer to you. I know what I am.

Unhelpful Anti-Town behavior.

Talk is cheap. Flips aren't.

Strike BBT if you are indeed Vengeful Townie.

I will certainly do no such thing.

He's a claimed mason. I would have to be a fool to kill BBT.

ONE OF YOU IS LYING.

Mason
Mason/Neighbor
Neighbor/Vengeful Townie

I don't believe they'd have that with a Tracker in a Normal game.

If you believe that's not practical, and you actually believe your words when you say you're Town, you'll target one of the other two. Since BBT did not say who his other Mason partner is, he could be lying, because it's incredibly safe for him to claim Mason and not reveal his partner, because it's unverifiable.

[Wake1]

Because she's town

and there are better lynches?

Just because someone's Vengeful, doesn't mean you have to lynch them...

HEY. You don't know that!

[Wake1]

ONE OF YOU IS LYING.

Mason
Mason/Neighbor
Neighbor/Vengeful Townie

I don't believe they'd have that with a Tracker in a Normal game.

If you believe that's not practical, and you actually believe your words when you say you're Town, you'll target one of the other two. Since BBT did not say who his other Mason partner is, he could be lying, because it's incredibly safe for him to claim Mason and not reveal his partner, because it's unverifiable.

You're something else Wake. You truly are.

Elaborate so I can analyze, please,

[Wake1]

Fakegod, here's a protip. Do to your demeaning elitist precense, scum are likely on your wagon thinking they're in a solid town bloc.
I would look at the people siding with you if you really want to hit scum.

One of many possibilities.

[Wake1]

Nah Wake, I'll pass.

You're building a reputation for being Anti-Town.

[Wake1]

Because she's town

and there are better lynches?

Just because someone's Vengeful, doesn't mean you have to lynch them...

HEY. You don't know that!

I'm rather convinced.

Scum do not claim vengeful near the deadline asking to be lynched.

Unless desperate.

Look at how the votes are changing.

[Wake1]

Nah, I'm not.

You're by far the worst and most unpleasant person I've played with. Ever.
I've been playing for two years.

Csareo, if we three do flip Town, you reckon we should WotC him in the future?

He's refused to help/respond/engage at least five times on my end.

[Wake1]

Changing how, exactly?

Changing as in there are less votes on her now.

What would she gain by doing this if she was scum?

How should I know?

I'm not tapped into her brain.

I do know Scum are capable of doing many clever and crazy things. That I do know.

[Wake1]

You're such a bad player. Like, seriously.

Let's lynch this Anti-Town player.

[Wake1]

Changing as in there are less votes on her now.

I currently have 4 votes on me.

That's more than I've ever had today.

Incorrect.

Csareo moved.

[Wake1]

TTH is still ignoring one of my questions.

DP said no screenshooting because proof of alignment: this was said about BBT, iirc. BBT claims Mason/Neighbor.

TTH claims Neighber/Vengeful. Neighbor contains NO proof of alignment. Right? TTH, screenshot your PT posts. DP, please chime in here, too. Tell us we can't because her PT is proof of alignment because she isn't really a Neighbor.

[Wake1]

@TTH I think I like that choice but it is a big risk to use your NK this early.

Vengefuls aren't NKs.

[Wake1]

I'm already telling you I want to shoot massive.

How do you feel about that Jagged Appliance?

Paraphrase your role PM to the best of your abilities.

I've already done so.

I don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I'll go ahead and claim since I want input from FakeGod and Rufflig.

I'm a vengeful townie. In the event of my lynch, I get a vigilante kill. Should you all choose to lynch me, I would probably kill massive but I might also think about a shot at Jagged Appliance or Anatole.

I might also shoot Csareo if for no other reason than to cut down on the clutter in the thread and get rid of a distracting noise source.

So, is it a modifier?

[Wake1]

Hm. More things to punch holes in it seems.

Will be back later. FG, your current read on me? (Want to keep an eye on you.)

[Wake1]

Hm. More things to punch holes in it seems.

Will be back later. FG, your current read on me? (Want to keep an eye on you.)

I already answered this.

Solid town.

We know.

I'll be asking periodically to keep a finger on that pulse.

[Wake1]

FG, BBT questions your solid town read of me.

Let's see what you do next.

[Wake1]

Hm. More things to punch holes in it seems.

Will be back later. FG, your current read on me? (Want to keep an eye on you.)

I already answered this.

Solid town.

We know.

I'll be asking periodically to keep a finger on that pulse.

I think you're being rather anti-town, though!!!

I'll have your elaboration for analysis and future use, please.

[Wake1]

I do not forget so easily.

Hm...

I'll be looking over your Scum games, because something about this latest behavior makes me think you're being facetious.

[Wake1]

We should use her kill. It will give us more information as to what's what, too.

Otherwise Scum will likely try to kill her. If they can kill the Vengeful, they no longer have to worry about it getting lynched.

Let's lynch her to use her ability. If she flips Scum, then oh well. If she flips Town and we learn her role, then she can decide who to nail.

I would appreciate an updated reads list from her if she is the one to be lynched.

[Wake1]

TTH says she's Vengeful Neighbor.

FG continues saying he doesn't want her to use her ability. Says he doesn't want GC or massive shot.

I'm trying to understand these different pieces and how they fit together.

Fakegod, your reads on TTH please. Also, BBT pointed his finger at your solid Town read. I want answers from you on what you think of this.

I don't understand your intent behind saying that it's certainly not pro-Town to encourage her to use her claimed ability, especially when Scum could and likely will attempt to kill her tonight... IF she is Town.

[Wake1]

Let's assume for a minute TTH is a Vengeful Neighbor.

Are we going to A) hope there's a Doc and B) have him or her continue defending the Vengeful until late-game?

[Wake1]

...

Why

exactly

am I solid Town to you, FakeGod?

[Wake1]

Did you read my explanation on why using the vengeful town's ability does not grant town another kill?

Who is this directed towards?

[Wake1]

Whoever TTH shoots, she is likely to be wrong, wouldn't you agree Wake? I don't think a potshot is the best play for town.

...

...

If TTH is lying about being Vengeful, I will note that you two are wanting her to wait and survive further into our game. If she flips Scum, that will put my curiosity on steroids.

We should utilize her ability, and we do so well by voicing our opinions on who to die with her. Why we've been wasting our time not doing that is something in itself. Ultimately the decision is up to her. If I were a Vengeful Neighbor, and fully-claimed, I'd at least be soliciting ideas from everyone else on who I should nail should we go ahead with the lynching.

[Wake1]

Did you read my explanation on why using the vengeful town's ability does not grant town another kill?

Who is this directed towards?

Directed to Wake

If she is indeed Vengeful, and is lynched Day 1, someone will die and it cannot be stopped.

Whether Town is the entity being granted another (correct?) kill hinges somewhat on its ability to communicate who should be Venged and why.

[Wake1]

We should utilize her ability, and we do so well by voicing our opinions on who to die with her. Why we've been wasting our time not doing that is something in itself. Ultimately the decision is up to her. If I were a Vengeful Neighbor, and fully-claimed, I'd at least be soliciting ideas from everyone else on who I should nail should we go ahead with the lynching.

That's

exactly

what I've been trying to do with you and that's

exactly

the conversation you refuse to engage in, Wake.

Well, yeah. Forgive me if I don't take an unconfirmed player's word as Gospel while in a Mafia game.

I hear you when you say you're a Vengeful Neighbor. OK. Go and do your thing thinking on who to Venge. Don't assume I must believe you.

[Wake1]

Town does not get an extra kill if TTH uses her ability.

You mean a lynch.

[Wake1]

Town does not get an extra kill if TTH uses her ability.

You're wrong, Wake. FakeGod

and

Rufflig went over the math several times.

It doesn't give town extra kills.

It just gives

me

more power over one of the kills.

...so then you've given yourself a convenient claim while also not having to go ahead and commit to something which will prove your innocence, which gives you a nifty cover to plow through the remainder of the game.

"OH, I'M VENGEFUL NEIGHBOR, DON'T LYNCH ME TODAY."
"OH, I'M VENGEFUL NEIGHBOR, DON'T LYNCH ME THE NEXT DAY EITHER."

Right.

Why would you even claim this crap if it's not verifiable? Iirc, you weren't even at L1. Sorry, but I've seen players like Havingfitz in Mafia in Space do crap like that, too. And if you flip Scum and judging by your join date I'll assume Scum have Daytalk, because it requires some sort of advising to get a newer Scum member to fabricate such a claim. FG may seem like one to try and advise others.

[Wake1]

No, I mean a kill.

Town loses a lynch, actually.

So, by Town "loses a kill," you're insinuating that more than one "claimed" Townie can kill, correct?

[Wake1]

And if so, WHOM might that be, FG?

[Wake1]

If TTH is lying about being Vengeful, I will note that you two are wanting her to wait and survive further into our game. If she flips Scum, that will put my curiosity on steroids.

'k.

You know I'm the backup lynch right?

Do you want to be lynched or not?

[Wake1]

No, I mean a kill.

Town loses a lynch, actually.

So, by Town "loses a kill," you're insinuating that more than one "claimed" Townie can kill, correct?

No.

By "kill", I mean vengeful kill + lynches.

Please don't call a lynch a kill unless you're meaning to sow confusion.

[Wake1]

Town does not get an extra kill if TTH uses her ability.

You're wrong, Wake. FakeGod

and

Rufflig went over the math several times.

It doesn't give town extra kills.

It just gives

me

more power over one of the kills.

...so then you've given yourself a convenient claim while also not having to go ahead and commit to something which will prove your innocence, which gives you a nifty cover to plow through the remainder of the game.

"OH, I'M VENGEFUL NEIGHBOR, DON'T LYNCH ME TODAY."
"OH, I'M VENGEFUL NEIGHBOR, DON'T LYNCH ME THE NEXT DAY EITHER."

Right.

Why would you even claim this crap if it's not verifiable? Iirc, you weren't even at L1. Sorry, but I've seen players like Havingfitz in Mafia in Space do crap like that, too. And if you flip Scum and judging by your join date I'll assume Scum have Daytalk, because it requires some sort of advising to get a newer Scum member to fabricate such a claim. FG may seem like one to try and advise others.

Right. I'm telling you all not to lynch me today, that's why I'm talking about who to shoot.

*sigh* You are no help, Wake.

Shoot BBT.

[Wake1]

Wake, I doubt that TTH will make it far in this game.

She wants to use her claimed ability today.

What say you?

[Wake1]

My apologies if you were confused, Wake.

But my point stands: lynching TTH does not allow town to get rid of an extra player.

It does when Vengeful TTH takes someone down with her when she dies.

[Wake1]

So, TTH, how many posts in your Neighborhood have happened yet?

BBT, can you tell us the number of posts in your supposed Mason PT?

[Wake1]

It does when Vengeful TTH takes someone down with her when she dies.

Incorrect.

Perhaps you should reread my explanation.

If TTH is Vengeful Townie, she's part of the Town.

You can boil your explanation down to one or two sentences.

[Wake1]

It does when Vengeful TTH takes someone down with her when she dies.

Incorrect.

Perhaps you should reread my explanation.

If TTH is Vengeful Townie, she's part of the Town.

You can boil your explanation down to one or two sentences.

Not using her ability, town gets 4 mislynches before town loses.

Using her ability, town gets 1 vengekill and 3 mislynches before town loses.

4 = 3 + 1

...and so she cannot be verified.

TTH, FG doesn't want you lynched.

Ya know, that makes it so all your talk has nothing behind it.

TTH & FG?

Welp, we can't verify TTH's claim but we gotta believe her and she's oh-so-certainly not gonna survive that long throughout the game.

So, yeah.


...


Let's lynch that other pile of text. FakeGod. Yeah, let's lynch that f*****.

No. Seriously.

[Wake1]

So, TTH, how many posts in your Neighborhood have happened yet?

BBT, can you tell us the number of posts in your supposed Mason PT?

We don't have day talk. We've said this.

I will vote for myself and shoot you before I let you lynch FakeGod, Wake.

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

Ooh, it's getting all exciting in here now isn't it?

You've

said

that.

Your vote means

nothing

without a lynch.

[Wake1]

Jagged, an updated brief reads list from you, please.

I've got very good reason to ask you this. Please follow through.

[Wake1]

Sorry, FG, but if one thing from my experience with The Thing taught me, it's to take everything with a grain of salt.

I hear what you've said, and I've remembered most of it in spite of what you've read, and quite frankly this is my very first time playing with TTH.

That you affirm so strongly that she is absolutely Town makes me think you've played with her before.

...

...how would you know that?

Micro 372? Micro 376? Newbie 1530?

Or are one or both of you familiar with alts, which explains the basis behind you saying she's "Town TTH"?

[Wake1]

Town:

Wake - town
Green Crayons - town
BBT - town
FakeGod - town
TTH - town
Boon - town

Csareo - nulltown

Rufflig - null
massive - null
Flubber - null

Doogal - nullscum
Anatole - nullscum


I'm not very confident of these.

And why exactly is my spot in this list different from the one in the other?

[Wake1]

Wake, she is super town. I cannot imagine scum claiming vengeful townie, it makes no sense to me.

I had you as town before as well. The order is not important.

Does the order have any bearing whatsoever?

If I were Scum I would definitely consider claiming Vengeful status and then carefully, subtly having my partners shift the lynch elsewhere.

Ask yourself why she's still alive and it's less than 24 hours from deadline? Do you not think there's subterfuge going on here?

[Wake1]

This is my first time playing with TTH as well.

But strength of my read does not come from number of games I've played with the person.

How exactly do you know she's Town-TTH when you have no basis of measurement derived from past game experiences with her?

[Wake1]

If I were Scum I would definitely consider claiming Vengeful status and then carefully, subtly having my partners shift the lynch elsewhere.

Try this when you roll scum and see what happens.

Keep your eyes peeled the next time we're in a game together.

[Wake1]

Does the order have any bearing whatsoever?

The order is not important.

Ask yourself why she's still alive and it's less than 24 hours from deadline? Do you not think there's subterfuge going on here?

No, I don't.

Are you able to give them any importance? It's rather easy putting six names in a slot and calling them Town, you know.

No subterfuge? In Mafia? In a Day that's over 86 pages long?

[Wake1]

This is my first time playing with TTH as well.

But strength of my read does not come from number of games I've played with the person.

How exactly do you know she's Town-TTH when you have no basis of measurement derived from past game experiences with her?

I think you're misunderstanding what I typed.

I wasn't making a reference to her meta when I said she was town TTH.

My bad, I should have been more clear.

...

MmHmm...

[Wake1]

I fail to see the relevance of the strength of my townreads. I don't think there's subterfuge behind TTH's actions, no. In the thread there's a lot of drivel though and probably some subterfuge buried down deep. Boons' is the claim I'm most worried about by far, not either BBT's or TTH's.

I see the relevance in questioning your thought processes.

[Wake1]

I've been playing for two years.

This.

Don't.

I've been playing over six, and I'm still wrong here and there.

Do not get over-confident.

[Wake1]

Csareo fears the Vig shot.

[Wake1]

I fail to see the relevance of the strength of my townreads. I don't think there's subterfuge behind TTH's actions, no. In the thread there's a lot of drivel though and probably some subterfuge buried down deep. Boons' is the claim I'm most worried about by far, not either BBT's or TTH's.

I see the relevance in questioning your thought processes.

Why are you persuing this line of questioning?

Why are you recoiling from it that way?

TTH, nail this appliance.

[Wake1]

Time is wasting.

Final reads, TTH, please.

We need something legit to go on Day 2 should you flip Town.

Ooh, is FG dissembling and shifting suspicion? Neat.

[Wake1]

Anyways, someone will probably try to kill me tonight.

Wouldn't that be a blast?

[Wake1]

Which brings us back to lynching BBT if she flips Town.

Was it BBT or TTH screaming and pointing fingers at the other out of the gate?

[Wake1]

How fascinating it is how the votes melted off BBT and are now melting off of TTH.

Boy, so much stuff to analyze for Day 2.

[Wake1]

Time's running out.

[Wake1]

And this specious bond between TTH and FG will undergo hyper-analysis Day 2 should TTH conspicuously survive.

[Wake1]

I will vote for myself and shoot you before I let you lynch FakeGod, Wake.

...also, please don't give him the impression that I can get him lynched.

[Wake1]

Shooting massive or one of the other lurkers wouldn't be a bad idea, either.

Boy, you'd think TTH would be talking a bit more frequently at this point in the game.

[Wake1]

You should claim.

[Wake1]

I'm rather disappointed with these shenanigans.

SUprised that TTH hasn't been lynched, so there's likely some Scum meddling in the works there.

Make me just want to blow someone apart if they both me. Ach, I need a break from this game.

Scum's done well to manipulate the votes away from BBT and TTH.

[Wake1]

Jagged's not my ideal lynched for today.

I'll leave it up to someone else.

And then I'll be wondering Day 2 once there's a kill and TTH is still alive.

[Wake1]

If you're Town, don't self-vote, Jagged.

I'll be taking note of who steps back as the deadline winds down.

[Wake1]

If you are today's mislynch then please provide any additional information you think will help the Town. Remember; if you die you still win if the Scum are uprooted.

[Wake1]

Csareo, reads just before Day 2?

[Wake1]

Fakegod is scummy.
BBT is scum.
TTH could be scum
Everyone else is null, except ruffling who's town, and maybe you.

Why Rufflig over me?

*Just curious.

[Wake1]

What exactly happened???

[Wake1]

Are the posts in question able to be quoted?

[Wake1]

"The Day that would not End."

[Wake1]

Were the attacks via PM?

[Wake1]

...

[Wake1]

Warnings are something I strive to give any of my players whenever I mod my games. That's one reason why my modding is virtually flawless.

[Wake1]

I'm trying to be fair here. I did help DP out in his other now-completed game when he needed it.

I did not see any Insults, personal attacks, obscene name calling, or general bad behavior. Which player was terribly attacked by Csareo? Is it because he said the mod modslipped? I think I'm not wrong for asking for clarity.

[Wake1]

Warnings are something I strive to give any of my players whenever I mod my games. That's one reason why my modding is virtually flawless.

Do you allow mod psychology in your games?

I'm unfamiliar with the term.

[Wake1]

As a moderator I've made mistakes in the past.

If the game is compromised, or there are claims of it being so, is it reasonable to force-replace that player without any warning? My experience tells me no.

[Wake1]

I want to know where in your posts you have abused any players personally in this game. I didn't notice anything that stuck out in particular.

[Wake1]

Hm...

A mistake that happens with modding.

I expect we'll get over this, but I do think there will be future discussion of this post-game.

[Wake1]

Csareo, do what you need to do but do it right. Be thorough, respectful, and serious. Should you need reference let me know.

This action was ill-advised and rash. To force-replace the most active player without any hint of warning is not the right way to Mod quality games.

I am hoping DP understands this sooner rather than later. I made this same mistake in years past.

[Wake1]

Csareo, do what you need to do but do it right. Be thorough, respectful, and serious. Should you need reference let me know.

This action was ill-advised and rash. To force-replace the most active player without any hint of warning is not the right way to Mod quality games.

I am hoping DP understands this sooner rather than later. I made this same mistake in years past.

I, for one, warned Csareo of possible modkill.

He wasn't interested in fixing his behavior, if I recall correctly.

If he were indeed abusing BBT, would you quote the posts? Maybe I missed it somewhere in these 90 pages. Examples would help.

I recall making threads in MD about bad behavior in Mafia, yet it's routinely shrugged off as acceptable behavior.

[Wake1]

Yeah, that is rather abusive crap.

A warning would have been better, and then punishment if it continued.

[Wake1]

In light of all this, and the fact that I'm WAY past bedtime, methinks it's time to get some sleep.

Good night, everybody.

[Wake1]

Ask Titus, maybe?

I like playing Mafia with her.

[Wake1]

BATTLE SYSTEMS READY.

PREPARE FOR WAR.

[Wake1]

Yeah, I'm not getting policy-lynched. I'm a good Town player, and have been contributing my fair share to the game.

I do note your vehement dislike of my nipping curiosity. Why shouldn't shouldn't I question things that aren't mod-confirmed?

[Wake1]

Personally I feel two Masons in a 13-player game, with a Tracker and Neighbors and whatever else is imbalanced.

This includes a Mason-Neighbor and a Vengeful-Neighbor, Titus.

Methinks somebody's lying. If Masons exist, I doubt there'd be a Cop. If there's a Cop in this game, stay quiet but take the Mason claim with a grain of salt.

[Wake1]

If memory serves, Scum-Titus focuses on the minutiae. Keep that in mind.

[Wake1]

I'm a good Town player, and have been contributing my fair share to the game.

I disagree, and I have been trying to tell you that you have not done that.

You have so far outed a Mason and have been pushing a lynch on obvtown Vengeful townie, while urging her to take a shot on our Mason claim.

That's incredibly anti-town, and you need to stop.

FakeGod, I don't understand why you're willfully not being honest here. No way did I out a Mason. BBT was Scummy as hell, going out of his way to not answer questions or engage, visibly getting angry and frustrated for beings asked stuff, and was giving me a lot of good reasons to keep pressing him for answers. FG, please, stop it. My job as a member of Town is to unravel loose threads and question things that don't make sense. He chose to claim being a Mason, and that was after him saying at the start of the game that he was a Neighbor with TTH. He had a choice in the matter:

don't blame people for asking questions and applying pressure

.

I don't consider TTH obvTown. She could be lying. I do not accept statements as Gospel truth when no one and nothing is mod-confirmed. I am doubtful of these claims, and should TTH actually flip Town then I would have her take out BBT, because then, in light of the new evidence of her flip, I would have less reason to believe he is Town.

FakeGod, I'm getting ScumVibes from you now. To ask questions and apply pressure in order to extract information is the heart and soul of hunting Scum. I cannot stop that. I will never stop that. This is exactly what you do as Town in order to gain the information needed to reach better positions in this game.

[Wake1]

I don't care what you think of me.

If you thought I was attempting to gain towncred from you by telling you that you're being anti-town, you would be mistaken.

I'm being completely honest when I say you're hurting the town.

I believe in what I'm saying, and it's the honest truth.

What a weird response.

[Wake1]

It's not good when you go around asking questions and applying pressure to

TOWN PRs

, and force them to claim.

Please do that to scum players.

But you don't know they're Town PRs.

[Wake1]

Yeah, I'm not getting policy-lynched.

Perhaps not. But you might be policy-vengeful killed.

Go ahead. As Town I have nothing to hide and will continue doing my part to gather information to attain the truth.

You doing that would be Anti-Town.

[Wake1]

You need to work on your questioning and your scum-hunting techniques because I'm telling you this right now, you're not a good townie.

Nonsense.

I know full well Scum can lie, which is why I continue to poke and prod for answers. It's not just the answers I'm looking for, but the responses. The interactions. If anyone's been not that good of a player it's you, because you routinely fight to not engage or answer my questions. At least five times you did that. Take responsibility for your own bad behavior in this game.

In fact, your reactions don't feel genuine to me, so I can and will continue to ask questions and apply pressure, because I will not let you slide in this game. If you want to get nasty and mean, I wouldn't advise it, because I'll report you for abusive posts just like you did Csareo. Am I understood? The more you react negatively to questioning, the more it tells me you have things to hide. I will enter Hyper-Focus Mode and put some energy into really interrogating you if I deem it necessary.

And FakeGod, if a Town player is being Scummy, I'm not to blame for Scumhunting that Scummy player. That's ridiculous. As Town, strive to not be Scummy. Don't blame your own shortcomings on others when they pick up on your scent.

[Wake1]

Go ahead. As Town I have nothing to hide and will continue doing my part to gather information to attain the truth.

You doing that would be Anti-Town.

This is empty rhetoric, Wake.

What I think you're really trying to do is be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian, even going so far as push everyone who's trying to help you away. I'm not sure why, but it's pretty frustrating and very draining on resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

It's not empty rhetoric, and I'll explain to you why. First of all, Mafia's a game of deceit. We don't know who's telling the truth and who isn't the only times we can put utter faith and trust into things in an ongoing game is when things are confirmed by the moderator. So yeah, no, you're not an Inoccent Child last I checked. You didn't die and flip Town, either. So what does that mean? It means that since this is a Close dSetup and we have no template like in Newbie games to be sure what's what in this game, you're not exempt from questioning.

If I were you I'd be doing everything I can to answert questions. You as Town should be providing reads, asking people to keep asking you questions and filling in blank spots in the game, and otherwise doing everything you can before you're lynched in order to activate your ability. But you aren't doing that. How much of an effort have you put in these last 24 hours to share updated reads? Or on who you should Venge? Or on anything else in the state of the game?

You're just sitting there, telling me to look elsewhere, and not doing much. Seriously. And you've even gone so far as to try and threaten me with your supposed Vengeshot and pass it off as some sort of Policy Lynch, as if pissing away these last 92 pages. And I should trust you? I shouldn't inquire of your words and actions, or wonder about what you're not but should be doing? And since when is being curious a bad thing? Nonsense. I get answers by asking questions. It's how I've caught Scum in games past.

Please paerdon me for not accepting all of your words as 100% honest when you're not confirmed. "Hey um, DP, is TTH Town?" ... TTH, he's silent. Titus, is DP silent on TTH's alignment? I don't hear him telling me you're confirmed Town. ...yeah. No. I don't know, so I darn well will question you and hold your feet to the fire until my curiosity is satisfied, and that might never happen. Please stop telling me to look elsewhere. I'm not going to look elsewhere when you try to divert my attention and subvert my train of thought. It's not going to persuade me to take my eyes off of you. You saying I'm contrarian when you darn well may be Scum is the very meaning of hollow, my friend. You want me to stop Scumhunting you. I want answers from you as to why, and I expect you to continue engaging and playing the game instead of Scum-floundering all over the place.

[Wake1]

In fact, your reactions don't feel genuine to me, so I can and will continue to ask questions and apply pressure, because I will not let you slide in this game. If you want to get nasty and mean, I wouldn't advise it, because I'll report you for abusive posts just like you did Csareo. Am I understood? The more you react negatively to questioning, the more it tells me you have things to hide. I will enter Hyper-Focus Mode and put some energy into really interrogating you if I deem it necessary.

OK, now I know

this

logic isn't rational (especially if you're using words like "hyper-focus").

Some things to think about:
Why would BBT fakeclaim Mason if there was really no mason partner to back up his claim? What would be the point?
Are there or are there not players in the game that would make sense as BBT's mason partner?

You're unfamiliar with me and my play. I have ADD, which is both a curse and a blessing. A gift, even. We typically have difficulty focusing, but if we ever hyper-focus on certain things, watch out. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 7554,d.aWw

No one would be able to verify BBT's Mason claim, nor would they want to, because as you have seen no one is actively calling for the other supposed Mason to claim. The idea of there being a Mason-Neighbor is rather broken, too. If there are indeed two Masons, and one of them is connected to a Neighbor, I find it hard to believe that everyone there is Town. And then there's the issue of DP remaining utterly silent when asked for clarification on whether or not Scum can make and post quotes from a PT and pass it off as something entirely different.

If BBT's actually a Mason, since you're directly asking I would say Rufflig, since he did say he refused to vote for BBT. If that's incorrect Ruffling please make it known.

Nonsense.

I know full well Scum can lie, which is why I continue to poke and prod for answers. It's not just the answers I'm looking for, but the responses. The interactions. If anyone's been not that good of a player it's you, because you routinely fight to not engage or answer my questions. At least five times you did that. Take responsibility for your own bad behavior in this game.

In fact, your reactions don't feel genuine to me, so I can and will continue to ask questions and apply pressure, because I will not let you slide in this game. If you want to get nasty and mean, I wouldn't advise it, because I'll report you for abusive posts just like you did Csareo. Am I understood? The more you react negatively to questioning, the more it tells me you have things to hide. I will enter Hyper-Focus Mode and put some energy into really interrogating you if I deem it necessary.

And FakeGod, if a Town player is being Scummy, I'm not to blame for Scumhunting that Scummy player. That's ridiculous. As Town, strive to not be Scummy. Don't blame your own shortcomings on others when they pick up on your scent.

I didn't report Csareo, I'm sure the mod can confirm this. He wasn't bothering me at all with his insults, jus his play. You'd do well to remember that you insulted me earlier in this game as well, be careful what you wish for.

I just bolded it in the biggest font I could and you still missed it. I hope I never have the displeasure of playing with you again, and I truly mean that.

I cannot quote PMs from the mod, but I will say I think you're lying. 'Else you're implying he is.

[Wake1]

*sigh*

So, I'm guessing you have absolutely nothing to say about who I'm saying I'm considering killing (who I've listed numerous times now).

So I'm thinking BBT, as I've said a few times now, if you flip Town. If you flip Scum, well, chances are you're not a Vengeful Goon.

If you are Town, you've gotta admit it's not likely there's also two Masons out there, and one of them happens to be your Neighbor. I like adding Neighborhoods in my games. But Masons? I don't think so. I highly, highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt that the NRG would allow that. Can't quote things...

but I highly doubt it in a Normal game

.

[Wake1]

Wake, you shouldn't be trying to out the other mason. This is exactly the kind of anti-town play we were talking about.

@Titus, Who would be easier to read with my lynch?

Jagged, who asked the question directly?

[Wake1]

Wake, you shouldn't be trying to out the other mason. This is exactly the kind of anti-town play we were talking about.

@Titus, Who would be easier to read with my lynch?

Why are you ignoring the fact that TTH asked me directly who I suspected the other Mason was?

[Wake1]

It's not good when you go around asking questions and applying pressure to

TOWN PRs

, and force them to claim.

Please do that to scum players.

But you don't know they're Town PRs.

Right.

So when you find out that you have been applying pressure on the wrong target, don't go around telling people how amazing you are.

Instead, you apologize for your bad reads and try again to find scum.

Repeating your post word for word isn't going to change my mind or help your case.

[Wake1]

@Wake,

This was the question:

Are there or are there not players in the game that would make sense as BBT's mason partner?

That's a yes or no answer.

You gave a name and then directly asked that person to confirm.

Well, yeah. I'm not going to lie. Members of Town don't lie or withhold information. Lynch all Liars.

[Wake1]

Wake, I saw no response, and believed that you missed it.

So you won't apologize?

Take this post as my final attempt in reaching out to you.

I'd rather we discuss game philosophy post-game.

How do I not know you're Scum doing everything in your power to subvert my thoughts?

I can't know that. Post-game I can.

[Wake1]

@Wake,

This was the question:

Are there or are there not players in the game that would make sense as BBT's mason partner?

That's a yes or no answer.

You gave a name and then directly asked that person to confirm.

Well, yeah. I'm not going to lie. Members of Town don't lie or withhold information. Lynch all Liars.

No.

PR-hunting only helps scum.

Apologize for your bad play.

I am not apologizing for anything. I wasn't PR-hunting, and I certainly did not force BBT to claim. He had a choice in the matter.

I'll never apologize for doing what I'm supposed to be doing as Town, which is unraveling loose threads unto their natural conclusion.

[Wake1]

@Wake,

This was the question:

Are there or are there not players in the game that would make sense as BBT's mason partner?

That's a yes or no answer.

You gave a name and then directly asked that person to confirm.

Well, yeah. I'm not going to lie. Members of Town don't lie or withhold information. Lynch all Liars.

What do you mean you're not going to lie? Who asked you to lie? The question was yes or no but instead you went hunting for another town PR. That's anti-town.

She asked me a question, so I answered it honestly. Knowing an answer of who I thought might be what but withholding that would be lying by omission.

That's ridiculous. I find it hilarious that you're upset about me answering a question hoenstly, yet you have no problem with the person asking me that very question.

[Wake1]

I am not apologizing for anything. I wasn't PR-hunting, and I certainly did not force BBT to claim. He had a choice in the matter.

I'll never apologize for doing what I'm supposed to be doing as Town, which is unraveling loose threads unto their natural conclusion.

Claim or die isn't a choice.

I see that you made your decision.

I will not try again.

I'm dismissing your facade, because it's getting old.

If BBT claimed Mason at L1 then that's what happens when you play Mafia.

If he claimed before L1, that's not my problem. Either way he had choices. That you are routinely butting heads with me and trying to keep me from doing what I'm supposed to do tells me that you're not a member of the Town. I want answers. You want to stifle them.

[Wake1]

Is that L1?

Did he claim VT?

[Wake1]

I do not trust BBT, TTH, or FG. My gut is really telling me they're in cahoots, baking each other up, and scummy.

[Wake1]

*Backing, not baking.

[Wake1]

I'll let someone else do it, because he's not my ideal lynch. He hasn't come up with an elaborate claim like certain others have. Mark my words for future Days, please.

[Wake1]

Scum are desperate to keep the wagons off BBT and TTH. How long this farce goes depends on the Township I suppose.

[Wake1]

I'm taking a break from this game. The obvious manipulation is starting to piss me off. Why can't people step back, see the big picture, and see how and where all of the votes are being manipulated? Nope, we're gonna mislynch. Town majority almost always does that. And then I'm gonna tell you I told you so, and impart some well-deserved condescension towards those who rammed through a bad lynch.

I'll be back Day 2, unless someone explodes.

[Wake1]

Scum are desperate to keep the wagons off BBT and TTH. How long this farce goes depends on the Township I suppose.

I can see why you might keep pushing TTH, but BBT still? You think the scum faction would seriously implicate all three members in a lie about an overlapping masons/neighborhood grouping?

In my years of experience, I've seen a lot of things happen in these games.

[Wake1]

A BBT or TTH lynch would give us a hell of a lot of information.

[Wake1]

I'm taking a break from this game. The obvious manipulation is starting to piss me off. Why can't people step back, see the big picture, and see how and where all of the votes are being manipulated? Nope, we're gonna mislynch. Town majority almost always does that. And then I'm gonna tell you I told you so, and impart some well-deserved condescension towards those who rammed through a bad lynch.

I'll be back Day 2, unless someone explodes.

Can you give me current reads besides that you want to lynch BBT and TTH?

I can't because I can't reread all 2,400+ posts in this timeframe and spit out accurate reads. ADD doesn't work that that. We struggle to remember things. We work best when we focus on particular things, one at a time. I've reread this thread many times, but I cannot remember every single post and interaction without breaking something upstairs. This game is just a tater tot on my plate, too.

[Wake1]

Her actions add up if enough players are Scum-persuaded to not lynch her or use her claimed ability. In Mafia I've learned that talk is cheap and with experience it is incredibly easy to lie and make things up.

[Wake1]

If TTH doesn't die tonight, but someone else does, I'll be gunning for her tomorrow. Even if I'm right but now one else is aware yet, at least I'll have bragging rights for figuring it out first. If no kill happens I may be inclined to believe her.

But why would Scum allow a Mason-Neighbor to stay alive? Or a Vengeful Neighbor that could be a problem late game? Them not dying will betray their words this game.

[Wake1]

But why would Scum allow a Mason-Neighbor to stay alive? Or a Vengeful Neighbor that could be a problem late game? Them not dying will betray their words this game.

Do you think it helps town to WIFOM this?

It does. otherwise I'm left hoping the rest of you are self-aware on these potential discrepancies should I not survive Night 1.

[Wake1]

Also, I'm refusing to read any more of Wake's walls.

I found this rather weird, too.

[Wake1]

If there is a Cop, DO NOT risk crumbing, unless absolutely worth it.

That's how BBT got nailed in that one Micro we were in.

[Wake1]

One of the things that bother me the most is that I've posted more than 377 posts (sans Csareo the most active player here), yet Rufflig, Flubber, massive, and Doogal all have less than 100 posts. I'm not counting Titus or Jagged because they replaced in later. The game has over 2,000 posts.

I know some say that activity and post count aren't indicative of alignment, but seriously, I'm supposed to turn a blind eye?

[Wake1]

If there is a Cop, DO NOT risk crumbing, unless absolutely worth it.

That's how BBT got nailed in that one Micro we were in.

Perhaps the "don't crumb" idea would have been better posted before we got to 100 pages.

One of the things that bother me the most is that I've posted more than 377 posts (sans Csareo the most active player here), yet Rufflig, Flubber, massive, and Doogal all have less than 100 posts. I'm not counting Titus or Jagged because they replaced in later. The game has over 2,000 posts.

I know some say that activity and post count aren't indicative of alignment, but seriously, I'm supposed to turn a blind eye?

You got into fights which is why your vote count is so high. Massive and myself I believe are contributing greatly in a small number of posts. Flubber I would classify as an active lurker and rufflig is almost disappeared.

I prefer to call them small, inquisitory skirmishes. You have not seen me fight for the truth in this game yet.

In this particular game I feel quite at ease flexing my Town muscles as hard as I can.

[Wake1]

@wake, I'd still love to hear about your viewpoint on BBT hoping off the JA wagon at L-1...

I need quotes. References. I had to call the police last night because some jackass tried to run me off the road. My mind is around there, not on that particular facet of the game. Please give me those posts so you can help me help you.

[Wake1]

So TTH, you're now not going to use your claimed ability to Venge someone?

Which Day are you going to activate it? The day when Town mislynches for game?

[Wake1]

Nothing she's said is verifiable unless she's lynched.

I wonder how longer she could go unverified.

[Wake1]

Mason, Mason-Neighbor, Vengeful-Neighbor, and Tracker. Balanced?

[Wake1]

Mason, Mason-Neighbor, Vengeful-Neighbor, and Tracker. Balanced?

Tad underpowered for town.

About where the NRG would put it, I reckon.

I'd like to know when these claims should be taken seriously.

If none of them die this Night, but another player(s) do, there will be trouble.

[Wake1]

13-player w/Masons and Cop = not possible. NRG is strict.

[Wake1]

that's under the assumption that every town PR has claimed on day 1 though

Correct.

[Wake1]

Why is it not possible?

Why should it be possible?

[Wake1]

Why is it not possible?

Why should it be possible?

2 Masons + Cop vs Godfather is a balanced setup, for example.

With a Tracker?

And the supposed Masons attached to a supposed Neighbor (who let's assume is Town) that can Venge a player?

[Wake1]

Why is it not possible?

Why should it be possible?

Because when you believe in yourself,

anything is possible

, Wake.

Empty answer, Scum.

[Wake1]

I don't see why that setup shouldn't be allowed.

Which one?

[Wake1]

I agree with Doogal about BBT.

Disagree with him on TTH.

2542

[Wake1]

Mason, Mason-Neighbor, Vengeful-Neighbor, and Tracker. Balanced?

This setup.

Not 2536 or 2538?

[Wake1]

Is Rufflig still alive?

[Wake1]

FakeGod, how does Rufflig rate currently?

[Wake1]

Those setups, too.

Really?

[Wake1]

Doogal, your thoughts on the intense fight to keep TTH and BBT from getting lynched.

The intent?

[Wake1]

FakeGod, how does Rufflig rate currently?

I believe he is town.

To what degree, and why?

[Wake1]

Those setups, too.

Really?

Yes?

The one in 2538 I don't find balanced.

Walk everyone through it.

[Wake1]

Can BBT tell us the # of posts in the Mason PT?

The timestamps? The quotes?

[Wake1]

BBT can you answer me?