Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)
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In post 1150, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 1148, Anatole Kuragin wrote:night + pre-game is pretty standard
Pre-game is the part people are having a problem with I believe.
Partially right.
I want to understand why you two haven't been talking at all as Neighbors.
Also why you don't/won't quote the mod's posts since he himself said the PT was fair game.-
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In post 1157, Green Crayons wrote:lol, wake, if you think me criticizing you're failure to articulate your questions in a manner that people can actually understand what you're getting at equates to "distracting from the discussion," then WELP sorry you're wrong.
I'm trying to find out if you were either incorrect Town, or deliberately trying to sabotage my train of thought on the Neighborhood discrepancy.
You made it sound as if I simply wanted to know if the supposed Neighbors have Daytalk.
Well, no. That's not the only reason I'm poking at this. I think you know this, or at least you should if you've been reading my posts.-
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In post 178, DoctorPepper wrote:In post 121, Wake1 wrote:Pretty sure you have to paraphrase everything, BBT. Even stuff from QTs/PTS.
Ninja'd.
I'm surprised you can quote your QT.
From what I know, PTs are fair game. We only ban quoting of Role PMs because usually they are indiscriminate proof of one's alignment. A PT just shows us who youre talking to. It Doesnt really confirm much.
Yeah.
He says he only bans quoting of Role PMs because usually they are indiscriminate proof of one's alignment.
So, share his PT posts.
Unless, of course, they too are indiscriminate proof of your alignments, "Neighbors."-
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Which is why the abject hesitation is so inconspicuous.-
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In post 1168, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 456, TellTaleHeart wrote:
I missed them the first time. There's no need to be rude.
1. Yes, BBT is my only neighbor.
2. We do not have day chat.
What's the point here?
This doesn't answer the other prongs of my inquisition.
Besides, you could very well be Scum with Daytalk bullshitting us into thinking you're Neighbors all while our mod refuses to clarify whether Scum can BS about PT posts.-
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In post 1172, Csareo wrote:Saying you don't have daychat shouldn't imply you have nightchat.
Wait a minute.
It should imply you have Nightchat if you say you don't have Daychat, because otherwise how you gonna chat? Only in the pre-game?
Explain a bit further, please, because now you've got me looking in your direction a bit, too.-
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Some Towns are a fun blast, and others are mucky, boring, contentious gridlock. It's inducing apathy. Trying to not get lost in the messy fighting in this game is proving to be difficult.-
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I am for sure not changing my vote, either.
Kindly quote what the mod said in your PT.
You can't, because it's alignment-indicative...
...which shouldn't be if you're Neighbors.-
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In post 1315, Green Crayons wrote:
- wake asks a bunch of questions that repeat themselves (usually tending to deal with the neighborhood mechanic), but the kid's got a good heart and is probtown, so try to look past that failing.
I will be coming for you if BBT flips Scum.
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In post 1314, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Post #0 (ISO) » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:13 am
Hi guys, during night and pre game, you may talk here!
Oh?
It is easy to replicate this.
If you're allowed to quote your supposed posts, then perhaps you can screenshoot them, too.
I reckon a screenshot wouldn't be so easy to fake.
Why did you fight so hard, and why isn't the supposed post in quote tags?
I want you to screenshot it. You're supposedly Neighbors, have already quoted the mod's supposed posts, and mod said it's ok to share those posts. Screenshot them. Soon.-
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In post 1346, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:It would be the first pro-town thing you have done in 54 pages.
You don't get to talk about pro-Town behavior in this game. Every chance you've had you've resisted my prodding questions. You have been particularly anti-Town this game, and I am not afraid to say it like it is.
FG, DP refused to clarify that Scum can't simply quote posts from their QT/PT (with Daytalk or not) and pas it off as if from a Neighborhood.-
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In post 1356, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not screen-shotting.
Yet again.
I will not change my vote. F*** this scummy, anti-Town crap.-
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In post 1408, FakeGod wrote:
This would mean that one of themmust beTown, since this is a Normal game, andall-scum neighborhoods do not exist.
Evidence?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_game
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor
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In post 1414, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Wake, can you explain your vote on me?
The reason I'm voting for you is manifold.
Another reason is that you ignored my post and I had to remind you in 976. And again you ignored me in 978. Only then in 980 did you clarify that his AtE felt fake. I don't understand why you dragged your feet in being forthcoming with the rest of us.
You have not been helpful, and when you do contribute it tends to be small answers. You're not making me feel as if you're willing to be transparent when you keep holding back as if you have something to hide. If you think that will make me go away in this game you are sorely mistaken.
One smaller reason is that you think AtE is alignment-indicative when it isn't. 964
Another reason was you assertion that Flubber should be lynched for essentially contributing nothing, even though others at the time have posted and contributed less than he has. That you wouldn't admit that Flubber has contributed some as well makes me wonder whether or not you're being honest. He has contributed to the game in spite of your false assertion in 1009.
Oh, and another thing. I asked you in 1030whyyou say they've contributed more than Flubber. You re-quoted 1026, but thatdoes notanswer my question. You refused to share details, and you refused to respond to my 1033. If you're not going to engage, then why are you even here? I'm trying to yank answers and information out of you but you've been the opposite of forthcoming. Your refusal in 1034 is what tripped my response in 1035. At that point you've continued to resist answering questions while denying Town helpful information.
In post 1036, Wake1 wrote:In post 1034, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:No thanks.
See, there's that vibe again.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
Start contributing and working with members of Town. If you're Town then you're messing up because you're refusing to help the Town. If you get mislynched you'll have no one to blame but yourself for your Anti-Town behavior this game.
In post 1037, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because you over-anaylze everything and I really don't want to get into that with you.
Every chance you get you fight to evade inquiry. I want to knowwhy.
And yet again you refused to contribute by sharing final reads in 1046. You should have started providing read because you don't know if you could have been hammered, and you certainly shouldn't have been cocky and assert that you weren't in danger of being lynched while at L-1.
For the longest time you fought against sharing the mod's post in your supposed PT. You also say that after 1,200 posts not one more thing has been said in your 2-player Neighborhood. As I predicted, you and TTH came out of the gate as "Neighbors" pointing fingers at each other, yet rather quickly "made up" and passed it over, providing some sort of cover to make everyone believe you're Neighbors. And now you flat-out refuse to provide a screenshot of the PT, even though DP said Neighborhood was fair game and refused to clarify that Scum can't fabricate their PT posts.
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I'm still in this game.
Just very busy.
I also struggle with ADD, so it's hard to focus and takes awhile to tap into hyper-focus.
Plus, it's only Day 1 and there's 61 pages. I'm not spending multiple hours each day rereading the game thread 20+ times while losing all my hair trying to analyze every little thing. I do my part helping the Town. I shouldn't have to expend insane amounts of energy trying to generate activity. Not complaining: just working on my list of priorities in the real world. I want to play the game, but it shouldn't feel like going to medical school when it comes to spending time and energy.-
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We've got two days.
With the silence in the supposed Neighborhood and the immense fight against lynching BBT, it makes me wonder.
My vote's staying on BBT for now.-
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In post 1710, Green Crayons wrote:@wake:in your opinion, is tracker a common enough role for the lack of a courter claim sufficient evidence to prove the validity of the PR claim?
I'd only go with cop and doctor.
Tracker is fairly common.-
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In post 1727, FakeGod wrote:In post 1685, Csareo wrote:That relies on the premise that scum think they're going to be lynched.
Faking a neighborhood is 100% possible, there just isn't any proof.
Pray tell me, why on earth would scum_TTH claim neighbor on page 1 expressing suspicion on her buddy, and RUN HIM UP TO EXTENDED L-1, IF SHE'S FULLY AWARE HIS FLIP WILL LEAD TO HER DOOM?
That's borderline playing against their win con.
Anything is possible.
2/3 of their team could be doing that. Unlikely, but possible,-
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In post 1728, FakeGod wrote:In post 1726, Wake1 wrote:I am having a difficult time reading FG.
That's nice.
I think you're easy to read in this game.
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You did not.
I'd like to know which way you're reading me, since you say I'm easy to read in this game.-
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Yet you could be Scum trying to placate me, or attempting to stroke my ego.
You may indeed be Town, and unaware that I play this way when Scum, too.
Give me your own feedback on why I'm oh-so-solid-Town this game, so I can compare them with my notes, please. (It'd be nice.)-
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In post 1736, FakeGod wrote:By meta.
I was scum with you before, and this is a vastly different style you're employing.
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Which game?
I've continuously been changing my playstyle.-
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In post 1741, FakeGod wrote:Please don't ask for reasons if they mean little to you, Wake.
Don't mistake my words.
The reasons mean much.
They don't mean you're Town. I should have clarified in that they mean little in sorting out your alignment.-
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Well, if one flips Town, lynch the other.
Someone in that ring is lying.
Who is the other Mason? Rufflig? He asserted he would not vote for BBT, the so-called Mason-Neighbor. And TTH is the so-called normal Neighbor.
See, folks, this is why I continue to poke and prod for the answers I need.
So are these claims legit in terms of Normality?-
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In post 1945, FakeGod wrote:In post 1944, Wake1 wrote:See, folks, this is why I continue to poke and prod for the answers I need.
You contributed to the push that led to our Mason outing.
Please do not be mistaken that you did the right thing.
He chose to out. You always have a choice.
Now we have more information to utilize.
Please do not blame me for doing my job and unraveling things thatdo notmake sense.
I did the right thing. BBT, if he is indeed a Mason/Neighbor, should have only claimed the Mason part when at L1. You and I both know this.-
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Alright?
So we sort him out later, or we grill him some more.
I don't particularly care. The claim there there's a pair of Masons and a pair of Neighbors, and that one player is a Neighber/Mason is a bit nuts. And I assume they're saying they had pregame chat and Nighttalk only, too. Are there any other claims atm?
I want to get a better understanding if someone in the group is BSing about their supposed PRs.-
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If there's a Doctor, who should be protected?
I feel like I'm going to die tonight.
Assuming FG's not Scum, he's calling me solid Town, which may make the Scum more likely to try harming me. I'm anexplosiveplayer overall, so if they wanna clean my clock let'em. I'll become an even more annoying threat to Scum which each passing Day. You had better get rid of me earlier rather than later.-
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In post 1958, FakeGod wrote:Wake, you were part of the push that forced him to claim.
It wouldn't be enough even if you were to apologize for your bad play.
Do not pretend you did the right thing.
So, yeah, did you or did you not hear what I told you?
He had a choice in the matter. He chose to claim. He chose to claim at L1. L1 is the time to claim if you think you don't want to die.
My play wasn't bad. It wasn't bad at all. If it's bad then everyone who gets a suspicious player to claim PR at L1 is guilty of bad play.
What are you doing? Seriously, what are you doing? In did the right thing by unraveling the looses ends until we arrived at its natural conclusion. That's what ever-curious Townies do. You know this. I know this. So, again, I repeat: what are you doing?-
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In post 1965, FakeGod wrote:You're wrong.
He had no choice, and you're responsible for it.
Town is in a worse position than it was before.
He had a choice to not get to L1. People tend to get to L1 by being Scummy. Being Scummy is a choice.
If he hadn't of been Scummy he wouldn't of gotten to L1, and if he hadn't of gotten to L1, he wouldn't have been pressured to claim.
You know this. I know this. So, again,what are you doing?-
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That's crap. Don't eventryto be elitist about what's correct or incorrect when it comes to hunting Scum. For all we know you could be Scum, so why shouldn't I take all of your words with a grain of salt. You're not fooling anyone, bud.
In my opinion he did and said a LOT of suspicious things. And his Anti-Town bad behavior did him no favors whatsoever. If you're going to blame someone, blame him for not cooperating. Don't even go there, pal. Don't you dare sit there and say that I'm in the wrong for doing what I'm supposed to do by unraveling loose ends looking for answers. That's downright insulting to not only me, but to the game, because when you play the game as Town you do everything you can to uncover the truth. That's what I did. Tough walnuts.
Now if you don't mind, I plan to continue searching for loose ends to unravel. Scum aren't going to uproot themselves, you know.-
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In post 1985, DoctorPepper wrote:In post 1365, Csareo wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6235308'
You have copied and pasted the whole PT, so why couldn't you screenshot it?
@DoctorPepper, Can he do this
No, you cant screenshot it. Thats irrevocable prrof of alignment.
Then the game is compromised because of intense curiosity.
TTH, you say you're a Neighbor, so you should be able to screenshot because it's NOT proof of alignment, correct?-
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In post 1998, TellTaleHeart wrote:I don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I'll go ahead and claim since I want input from FakeGod and Rufflig.
I'm a vengeful townie. In the event of my lynch, I get a vigilante kill. Should you all choose to lynch me, I would probably kill massive but I might also think about a shot at Jagged Appliance or Anatole.
I might also shoot Csareo if for no other reason than to cut down on the clutter in the thread and get rid of a distracting noise source.
So you're a Neighbor and a Vengeful Townie?
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How bombastic.-
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In post 2005, TellTaleHeart wrote:Wake, do you have an opinion on who I should shoot?
Yes. Yourself, since you ignored my 2002.
I want answers.-
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In post 2010, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 2006, Wake1 wrote:In post 2005, TellTaleHeart wrote:Wake, do you have an opinion on who I should shoot?
Yes. Yourself, since you ignored my 2002.
I want answers.
Wake, you don't seem to understand.
I'm the one with the kill here. I don't have to answer to you.
Now, if you want to be helpful to me and discuss your reads, I will gladly hear what you have to say. Otherwise, you're going to get left out.
OH NO,I don't think so.
You aregravelymistaken if you think saying you have a kill exempts you from answering questions directed towards you. You will answer me or I will hound you ceaselessly for answers until you inevitable demise. I want you to answer my questionsnow.-
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Csareo, if you're Scum you'll want to try to kill me sooner rather than later. Ask AdrienC what happened in Sycamore Shuffle.-
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In post 2015, TellTaleHeart wrote:I have accepted my inevitable demise, Wake. In fact, it was the reason I claimed. Sorry, but I'm still not obligated to answer to you. I know what I am.
Unhelpful Anti-Town behavior.
Talk is cheap. Flips aren't.
Strike BBT if you are indeed Vengeful Townie.