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In post 440, Jennifer wrote:
Nope, not me. I did really think Trollie was scum though.
My best guess right now is that scum killed Dannflor for being obvtown, and an SK killed Trollie. I think if it was a town vigilante they would have gone for Kthx for hammering over Trollie for leading the lynch.
This doesn't make sense. You thought Trollie was scum, but you don't think that a vigilante would have the same thoughts as you?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 449, Psyche wrote:But I'm totally posting tonight. A good post. There will be something in it for everyone.
i'll race ya
In post 453, Kthxbye wrote:Also, yeah, I can't give you like actual number odds, but it's what's logical and is based on my experience.
Don't actually know how I feel about Q's last post. I'm having mixed feelings about it since it reads townish and I had him at scumish.....
why did it seem townish?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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joels is obvtown, DRK is cool town, ztife is town, om is town, kthx is town, goodmorning is probably town
(q21, Slandaar, Jennifer)
are the three i like the least
Vote: q21"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 470, Slandaar wrote:3/4 PR out of 7 town alive helps us narrow down things considerably
Scum can fakeclaim but it will be obvious when they do.
really
because massclaims are kind of shitty when we have an SK
since they kind of cut through the PRs pretty easily
and if we have a massclaim then he will have no reason to claim town"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 478, Slandaar wrote:Why do you think we have an SK?
I love the cognitive dissonance; if it cant be a vig then why would they ever claim vig to begin with?
i don't necessarily think we have an SK
but the possibility exists, and it makes massclaim shitty
the cognitive dissonance you're seeing doesn't actually exist; the "town" on the end wasn't supposed to be there
In post 479, q21 wrote:GM, Ztife and you. All people I get scummy vibes from but want to read better. My memory of you (old though that is) is that regardless if I vote you or not you'll post enough that I can try to get a read. GM...not sure I'm ever going to be able to read her, her presence on the wagon and process of elimination will have to suffice. Ztife looked the most likely to respond to a pressure vote in a useful way, so here I voted.
isn't it a little too late in the game to keep going for pressure votes?
In post 479, q21 wrote:How is joels obvtown? I can see a noobtown read, for all that I wouldn't agree with it. And seriously, how do you get a town read of Mr Bad-Om-Vote-Then-Won't-Take-A-Stance-Against-Anyone Ztife? Not to mention your certainty that Om and GM are town. Do you actually find me scummy, or is it just process of elimination?
no i definitely find you scummy, don't worry about
and your worries about my townreads... if you want to put out better cases on them, then i'll explain my reads on them"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 485, Kthxbye wrote:Not even close to true DRK. Wagon analysis and night kills are the only non-speculation info town gets. To not use them is stupid.
lynching off the wagon doesn't mean you're not using them
it just means you're going with a better suspicion off the wagon
you would have done better to spring this "trap" when there was a special reason to lynch on the wagon"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 551, Psyche wrote:Is there any record of DRK doing this posting binge/picture spam thing in the past? Has DRK expressed any suspicion of Slandaar in the past, or is this OMGUS?
medical records show that it's fucking town as fuck
and that you shouldn't give a shit whether it's OMGUS or not; DRK's posting is clearly not coming from a defensive state of mind. it's coming from a "hey i just found scum let's kill the fuck out of them"."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 501, Jennifer wrote:Nacho is also suspect for giving Ztife a town read (higher than the probtown read he have GM). If like to hear his justification for that because can't think of any.
if you can't think of any, then you're tunneling too hard
but it's already kind of shown that you're tunneling too hard by giving me a scumread for calling someone town
luckily, it makes me think i am wrong on you and need a replacement read
my biggest problem with slandaar's push to massclaim is not that he pushed to massclaim. that's whatever, everyone makes mistakes. but there's the concentration in wanting the vig to claim first, which makes no fucking sense unless he has a really strong SK suspicion (which he fucking doesn't or else he wouldn't have tossed out the 7 town number, and instead would've said 6/7). then there's the push on DRK, which is for thinking that he's trying to stand up for what's standard and "clearly" not looking at the facts. which tells me slandaar scum thought that his massclaim proposal would be like OH SO TOWN. and the whole "OH YEAH WE'RE GONNA LOSE A PR TONIGHT IF WE DON'T MASSCLAIM" is weird. because massclaiming means that we will lose a PR tonight.
soooooooo"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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if we decided to massclaim, then yes that would be a good idea.
i still think it's a horrible idea to massclaim. maybe a little bit less than i did before, but it's still a horrible idea.
you also wouldn't be conftown with an un-CC'ed doctor claim"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=575
but the real kicker is
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
where the only protective role was a one-shot roleblocker in a JOAT, which actually isn't a protective role"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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no, those three roles will not be conftown.
we will still have to guess who is fake-claiming and who isn't
and if we fuck up doing that, scum will kill shit and it will be bad"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 570, Slandaar wrote:1394 doesn't even have a vig
what, and you think that makes your point stronger?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 573, Slandaar wrote:You don't think even/odd night + gunsmith makes complete sense from a setup POV thereby making them all conftown? i mean the vigs obviously are and then the gunsmith if he claimed first its very very clear, if after its still pretty obvious unless scum fakeclaim what? cop, cops getting lynched first.
scum claims jailkeeper
hell, what if scum claimed doctor?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 574, Slandaar wrote:In post 572, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 570, Slandaar wrote:1394 doesn't even have a vig
what, and you think that makes your point stronger?
So, you think you can say X produce Y to support X then when I say Y doesn't support X you think I am using Y as my argument?
Scum.
you said you were conftown because it's guaranteed there's a protective role in the game
i give you three examples of mini normals without protective roles
and you're all "OH BUT THERE WASN'T A VIG IN THE SECOND LINK"
which doesn't actually take anything away from my point because those other two games still exist"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 577, Slandaar wrote:its still a 1:1 trade for the gunsmith at best.
how the fuck is a jailkeeper claim a 1:1 trade with gunsmith
how"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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and when the fuck did you decide that massclaiming was the best thing ever, and why do you think you will see everything clearly after everyone claims? you sure as hell didn't go "FUCK YOU GUYS, -L- IS CONFIRMED TOWN" in 1242.
and why are you so crazy with "don't agree with massclaim? fucking scumbag" because it's shitty and i don't like it and shows you actually aren't using your brain
and why do you think the 1:1 trade with the gunsmith shit?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 580, Psyche wrote:I'd say Town vs. Town.
if you're referring about Slandaar and I
i will strangle you"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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were the links clearly wrong?
no they were not.
second link didn't include a killing role, other two did. your point of being conftown was proven wrong."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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and yes. i understand that you need to massclaim in order to understand everything. but it doesn't make sense why you weren't like "oh, don't lynch L right now! L will be confirmed town if we massclaim!" since you love your massclaims so much"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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no i'm not fucking metaing you
you know when you started liking massclaims
you can show yourself going crazy for massclaims in a game
or i can put you back to L-1"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 586, Slandaar wrote:2 vigs basically confirmable mason they can confirm each other
JK
Gunsmith
Sound legit? no, so JK or Gunsmith dies.
sure it sounds fucking legit
it certainly is not obviously not legit
gunsmith: two vigs, two false positive results. basically built to be outed for no fucking reason.
jailkeeper: oh, the gunsmith outed? better protect his dumb ass. oh, now vig claimed? oh i can protect this one on odd nights and this one on even nights so i don't accidentally roleblock them! and now that they are outted, scum will probably go for the one that can't shoot tonight but can shoot tomorrow! swag.
so it's not a confirmed 1v1, and you couldn't sell that to anyone"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 594, Slandaar wrote:having 2 vigs that can confirm each other; note a guilty from gunsmith does not mean the vig is lynched it just means a massclaim; is very strong. You have 2 confirmable town who can kill at night.
2 of them
this doesn't answer anything"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 596, Slandaar wrote:Day 2 Massclaim led by... me.
in a newbie game?
In post 596, Slandaar wrote:Talking about massclaim d1 setup doesn't really count but you can see it.
massclaiming in an open setup is different
In post 596, Slandaar wrote:Massclaim day 2
then both power roles were shot over night and scum-Thor ran train on you
and the only reason it did something amazing was tinker tailor soldier spy
so that's obviously a special case"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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you're not giving me what i wanted
i'm trying to figure out where you found massclaim to be such a powerful force in this, and all of those things don't help me do that at all
but i did a bit of meta despite being tired as fuck
and i guess you are town
Vote: Psyche
you still have to sell me for massclaim though. massclaiming is essentially scumhunting the moderator, and I have no idea what Jason will be like as a moderator. and it's not something we need to fuck with now. confirmed town tomorrow is better than confirmed town today, and we won't have the good confirmed town tomorrow if we massclaim today."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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it's also bad to massclaim today specifically because of evens
if scum roleblock and kill vig, they can fuck things up a bit and take away one of our kills
and i hate people that take my kills"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 607, Slandaar wrote:Scum have an rb means town has a lot of power
and you're doing that thing again
where you make assumptions that are not necessarily true
In post 609, Slandaar wrote:Anyways I did intend to claim bptown and not claim doc if I could help it if we did things properly instead of this nonsense.
Now all thats happening is I will die one way or the other and guess what? town just lost the PR I said they would without a massclaim
Amazing.
ok but that doesn't mean that massclaiming is cool for today
i will push it through tomorrow hell yeah
but that doesn't mean it is good for today"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 611, Slandaar wrote:The irony
Sland: lets massclaim I will die its ok we will have tons of info for today to lynch/vig scum.
Everyone: lol no you can't die instead lets lynch or let you claim only and scum nk you
Genius.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
somebody call the waaaaaambulance
In post 612, Slandaar wrote:RB is a stupidly powerful scum PR which needs to be balanced with town power hence town has a lot of power when scum has an RB.
Think about this
Just Think
Massclaim today is the same as tomorrow. Except by doing it today we have more information earlier.
a roleblocker on its own isn't that strong on its own because it has to identify power roles and THEN block them
it's not so strong where its presence means SUPER TOWN POWER"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 612, Slandaar wrote:Massclaim today is the same as tomorrow. Except by doing it today we have more information earlier.
and that reason i mentioned that you completely ignored"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 618, Slandaar wrote:It is definitely better today.
I still see no argument against it only 'WHAT IF X' which is focusing on one variation.
then you can't read"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 631, Psyche wrote:TvT for Slandaar vs. Kitty/Frog/whatever
Nacho still a null read. The whole exchange was theoretical. No blood involved.
Nacho! Case me. Bring it. Come on.
here's a case for you."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 635, Psyche wrote:Is this the part where I OMGUS?
no, this is the part where you stop talking shit and start scumhunting again
In post 639, q21 wrote:Slandaar's main adversaries on the masslcaim issue are town. Both taking a townie stance, neither doing so in an scummy or opportunistic manner.
What would a "scummy or opportunistic manner" be?
In post 642, goodmorning wrote:Explain why Nacho is Town without using his purely theory points.
and not drk?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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PSYCHE YOU CUT THIS BULLSHIT RHETORIC OUT
CONGRATULATIONS YOU CAN TYPE HALF WORTH A DAMN
IF ANYONE FUCKING HAMMERS/ASKS FOR CLAIM YOU'RE MY MOTHER FUCKING VALENTINE
AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 691, Psyche wrote:Bitch, plz. (I'm so sorry for calling you that; it's not serious; just go with the roleplay; it'll be fun)
Let me 'pretty much summarize the basics of this case' as you seem to have a problem understanding it. I just made a wallpost - a fucking wallpost - laying out a case against you. And you have the nerve to say that there's barely anything around? Let me make this crystal clear.
I don't give a damn how crappy your ideas are. I've played a lot of games with very many very terrible very stupid players with very many very terrible very stupid ideas. I cannot even begin to relate to you just how frustrating these experiences have been, but I am inured. I am quite comfortable with the fact that townies can be terrible. But you aren't a townie. You are opportunistic, disingenuous "insta-frustrated" (quote tags for the 'yeah, right' effect) scum.
The fact that your reasons for voting slandaar are terrible aren't why I'm voting for you. Lots of terrible votes have happened, even in this game. I'm voting for you because you are scummy.
this block of text says nothing
In post 691, Psyche wrote:You jumped onto the Slandaar wagon for dubious reasons. It was a huge jump; you'd defended him just a couple posts beforehand. But there was a tide, and you saw a chance. Opportunism, not crap, is what attracts me to you. Who is attracted to crap? That's not evolutionarily adaptive at all. >.>
goodmorning is opportunistic
In post 691, Psyche wrote:And when confronted about this opportunism, your response has been sooo weak. It literally doesn't make sense. The principles of rationality are violated thoroughly. Why? Because you're looking for a way out but there isn't one. You can only avoid the gravity of the case by 1) avoiding the case with vague whatevertheheck674was 2) recharacterizing it to make it less threatening (post 679), and 3) AtE the hell out of everyone.
And now your AtE has been uncovered as fiction. A lie. The lie, itself, is another scumslip. You're producing bullshit to cover up bullshit.
and i didn't like how you responded to me earlier case
SO SORRY EXCELLENT CASE SO FAR SORRY FOR IGNORING IT"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 671, Psyche wrote:No, this still sucks. When a player does something you find suspicious, you always examine his supposed reason for doing it. Especially for proposing a massclaim. Because his supposed reasons for doing it are the ONLY way you can differentiate between town seriously thinking something is a good idea and scum trying to pull a fast one.
If you don't examine the justification, you are deliberately skipping a critical step in the whole scumhunting process. It doesn't make any sense.
What you're saying is also dubious. You are definitely voting Slandaar for theoretical reasons - because you think massclaiming is a bad idea, rather than because Slandaar has done something suspicious.
so goodmorning is scum for voting slandaar for pushing massclaim. okay.
In post 671, Psyche wrote:all you say about Slandaar in this post is that his theoretical argument is no good and announce that you want him dead.
oh this is saying the same thing. i guess reiteration is a good thing sometimes!
In post 671, Psyche wrote:Town suffering from a behavior =/= behavior being scummy.
That's the distinction between antitown and scummy. I'm sure you aren't ignorant of it. You are playing stupid and now backtracking from a terrible but opportunistic bandwagon.
oh... i guess... this still says the SAME FUCKING THING"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 479, q21 wrote:How is joels obvtown? I can see a noobtown read, for all that I wouldn't agree with it. And seriously, how do you get a town read of Mr Bad-Om-Vote-Then-Won't-Take-A-Stance-Against-Anyone Ztife? Not to mention your certainty that Om and GM are town. Do you actually find me scummy, or is it just process of elimination?
^this shit is terrible"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 759, q21 wrote:I started the wagon based on PoE (mostly on recent activity in thread) and VCA of the Elleran lynch. Psyche later put together a full blown case, his summation of which is quoted below for your benefit.
====[] Please.
especially when coupled with this
q's contempt of PoE doesn't make sense when that's what the wagon he cares about so much is about
unless he's scum"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 393, q21 wrote:Two things here. First is how he links himself and thereby his image to one of the games better, townier posters = scum move. Second is the request to lynch trollie which is followed up in his next post with a jump to kthxbye just about out of nowhere, which is, yet again, buddying up to Dannflor.
Seems that its about time for me to be voting Elleran again. Maybe the earlier hints of scumminess weren't so playstyle related afterall.
this is a pretty scummy post
he calls elleran town and tries to white knight him
but later, when he's needed to push the lynch through, he just goes for it like he never had a reason to call eleran town in the first place"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 679, goodmorning wrote:UGH NACHO
I'm just tired
I keep losing by being stupidlynched, it's a bit silly.
I think I see another stupidlynch coming on, and there's not really much of a case for me to argue against. Not much I can do about it.
^this is why goodmorning is town
last game with her, she threw her lot in with me and we argued for walls and walls and pages and pages
she loves a good fight as scum, puts up with less bullshit as town"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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