Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[Kthxbye]

Except this setup analysis is kinda special as we have 2 claimed investigative roles.

Also, I'm basically confirmed town the more I think about it. If Q is scum fake claiming, he knows I'm town thus his 'result'. If he's a Cop, I'm still town. Only way I'm not town is if Q isn't sane or Q and I are both scum. Neither of those are true as an insane cop would have me as not-town and I'm not scum with Q.

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 2.17

[4] q21: Ztife, DeathRowKitty, Nachomamma8, Goodmorning,
[2] Goodmorning: q21, Slandaar,
[1] Kwll: Malakittens,

Not Voting: Kwll, Jennifer, Kthxbye,

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-02-25 23:57:13)

[Malakittens]

/takes

[Malakittens]

Again - it doesn't matter how special you think it is. It's bad for a town to try and play "outguess" the mod.

Everyone needs to stop saying they are confirmed this or confirmed that. Really, anyone could fake claim even town and manage to get away with it. To me no one is confirmed anything unless it's an open setup or they have flipped.

[goodmorning]

A few things:
D2 massclaiming is still bullshit
setup speculation is stupid and also bullshit
hate slandaar right now
vig is me

You want me to explain trollie? I know you do. here: in light of the flip and my reads on people, trollie was the scummiest looking person on the list. certainly wasn't vigging jenn.

And now when we go to night I get to die

gsyhiapadiaf, slandaar

[Ztife]

You do realize that if we lynch q, he flips cop, and you don't die, you will be lynched tomorrow right?

Yes sure. Because if q21 is really cop we're FUCKED anyway.

Except this setup analysis is kinda special as we have 2 claimed investigative roles.

Also, I'm basically confirmed town the more I think about it. If Q is scum fake claiming, he knows I'm town thus his 'result'. If he's a Cop, I'm still town. Only way I'm not town is if Q isn't sane or Q and I are both scum. Neither of those are true as an insane cop would have me as not-town and I'm not scum with Q.

This is absolute BS. q21 is scum and scums lie, that's all. Nothing scums say conf-town or whatsoever.
So if q21 says nacho is his scum buddy and q21 flips scum we should lynch nacho tomorrow? Oh please.
So yeah, if q21 flips cop you're conf-town, and you can lynch me tomorrow I assure you. Heck I'll even self vote.


@slandaar, GM's claim is much more believable than q21's, and like I speculated she claimed vig.


Mass claim is over. GM please tell me who you are vigging tonight so I can track someone else. Time to lynch q21.

[Ztife]

Kwll, Jennifer, Kthxbye, Slandaar, Malakittens,

Possibly 2 more scums in there with q21.

And GM after q21 flips scum you should probably vig kthx

[Slandaar]

And now when we go to night I get to die

gsyhiapadiaf, slandaar

lol

Why do you die?

Why does it matter so much if you do?

I clearly die first btw.

Unless this is an issue for you because you are SK and you need to survive?

[Slandaar]

I have done some calculations

We should lynch Mala

GM can shoot DRK or Kwll

Ztife tracks Q

Q goes to Jennifer

I will protect Ztife.

I think this is best.

[Slandaar]

In fact just shoot kwll for his obviously wrong meta only case one me

[Slandaar]

Still think joels is Scum but that's one useless fucking vote right there.
Kthx is also Scum but that can probably wait.

Dann is pretty Town
So is DRK

Trollie... I dunno

GM claim not strong enough to believe

I think we should just use tracker on Q yes he can be scum PR but eh only a RB really screws the plan over and then only if they RB me vig Ztife at which point we know Q is scum.

VOTE: Mala

[DeathRowKitty]

And now when we go to night I get to die

gsyhiapadiaf, slandaar

lol

Why do you die?

Why does it matter so much if you do?

I clearly die first btw.

Unless this is an issue for you because you are SK and you need to survive?

I have done some calculations

We should lynch Mala

GM can shoot DRK or Kwll

Ztife tracks Q

Q goes to Jennifer

I will protect Ztife.

I think this is best.

In fact just shoot kwll for his obviously wrong meta only case one me

Still think joels is Scum but that's one useless fucking vote right there.
Kthx is also Scum but that can probably wait.

Dann is pretty Town
So is DRK

Trollie... I dunno

GM claim not strong enough to believe

I think we should just use tracker on Q yes he can be scum PR but eh only a RB really screws the plan over and then only if they RB me vig Ztife at which point we know Q is scum.

VOTE: Mala

[Slandaar]

Think about it

I am conftown so I can do what I want at this point

IF GM is SK which I am not sure on we do not want to kill Q

So, we avoid this whole situation by doing what I said 'BUT WE LOSE A TRACKER INVEST WHEN Q IS SCUM!!!'

Doesn't really matter because Mala is scum 100%.

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't think you've said a single thing right in your last 5 posts is correct. Go sleep.

[Slandaar]

Just wait on kwll to claim or try to before lynching

[Slandaar]

OK

1 scum max in 4

or 2 in 6

Which are better odds DRK?

[Slandaar]

and its possible 0 in 4 3 in 6 with an SK

[Slandaar]

You can even remove kthx and nacho from the 6 if you argue READS

and then we see where my kills come from

kwll/DRK/Jennifer/Mala

OH

(I think Jennifer is most town of the 4 so 'investigate' her)

I hate having to explain all this is should just be obvious.

[Slandaar]

and if you are trying to pretend you are town DRK then the odds from your POV should be even better

Or did I go wrong somewhere?

[DeathRowKitty]

Sorry, was playing a game.

I have no idea what you're saying.

[Nachomamma8]

Except this setup analysis is kinda special as we have 2 claimed investigative roles.

Also, I'm basically confirmed town the more I think about it. If Q is scum fake claiming, he knows I'm town thus his 'result'. If he's a Cop, I'm still town. Only way I'm not town is if Q isn't sane or Q and I are both scum. Neither of those are true as an insane cop would have me as not-town and I'm not scum with Q.

this is also not true

[Nachomamma8]

IF GM is SK which I am not sure on we do not want to kill Q

we are lynching q today.
there is no debate.
if you know how massclaims work, you know that is the only logical route to take.

[Ztife]

slandaar, just get q21 please.

[Slandaar]

GM fears death too much so I would not trust her as a vig ie as SK she loses obviously

Please lynch Mala today.

[Slandaar]

OK let me explain this as clearly as possible

We as the town have to

1. Decide who is scum out of PR claims (or there is SK)
2. lynch the scum in the VT

There is no reason to do 1 before 2 when at max there is 1/4 in the PR while 2/6 min in the VT its even detrimental to do so if you get it wrong.

Yes you can argue its more 50/50 in Q and GM; but when GM is SK we have lost the maximum. (and I have shown its more 50/50 in the VT also)
When we lynch in the VT we should be able to know who is scum tomorrow pretty easily based on all the results we get.

And assuming we lynch scum today ie Mala there is no difference to lynch her over Q as long as I protect Z and not Q.