Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

[kwll]

I do the same as town...actually I fight harder when I am scum....you have my vote.

vote q21

[kwll]

I still want sland lynced...he is playing like scum(I should know he cost me a fucking game)

[kwll]

I dont see a flash on sland right now but I will support a q21 lynch.

[Ztife]

q21 who do you actually find summy, and town? name at least 2 in each category please.

I'll switch to q21 anyday too =D

[Kthxbye]

Eff it. I'll switch cuz Nacho makes sense (as usual). I've never played with GM before, but Nacho sounds sincere.
Am I sheeping? Hell yeah I am. Am I buddying nacho? Yup. Don't like it? Start a wagon.

VOTE: q21

[kwll]

I have played with GM before...she sounds town....
I know I am using meta but she sounds the same

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 2.13

[4] Goodmorning: q21, Slandaar, Psyche, Ztife,
[3] Ztife: Jennifer, Goodmorning, DeathRowKitty,
[3] q21: Nachomamma8, Kwll, Kthxbye,

Not Voting:

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-02-24 23:57:13)

[Ztife]

Eff it. I'll switch cuz Nacho makes sense (as usual). I've never played with GM before, but Nacho sounds sincere.
Am I sheeping? Hell yeah I am. Am I buddying nacho? Yup. Don't like it? Start a wagon.

VOTE: q21

For the record I'm willing to lynch this scum as well

[Ztife]

Unvote, Vote: q21

[Psyche]

UGH NACHO
I'm just tired
I keep losing by being stupidlynched, it's a bit silly.
I think I see another stupidlynch coming on, and there's not really much of a case for me to argue against. Not much I can do about it.

^this is why goodmorning is town
last game with her, she threw her lot in with me and we argued for walls and walls and pages and pages
she loves a good fight as scum, puts up with less bullshit as town

Uh-huh.

Have you ever played with her as town? Or have you compared this to anything more than "that one time in my last game"?

[Psyche]

My case still stands. It has not been effectively defended by anyone, because it cannot be; it is

sound

. Goodmorning is irrefutably scum.

- Opportunism (as evinced by your scantily thought out reasons for wagoning Slandaar, specifically the way they concern play quality rather than play scumminess and explicitly refuse to consider presented justifications for play which is just plain irrational)

- Crappy Response to Censure (Let's be specific!)
General Theme: "You're looking for a way out but there isn't one." (tm)
1) avoiding the case with vague whatevertheheck674was
2) recharacterizing it to make it less threatening (post 679), and
3) AtE the hell out of everyone. BONUS: With lies! (PS: I'm fine with AtE, but this is more about contributing to the general theme above. Fight
the theme, not the AtE accusation!)
4) Completely failing to properly explain what actually sensical thoughts why you think/thought voting for Slandaar was reasonable from a townie perspective

- BONUS: With lies!

[Slandaar]

Assuming she lost due to being 'stupid lynched' there it even explains the lack of effort to fight this time.

[Slandaar]

kwll has literally lied twice in this game to try and defend his read on me.

I can prove it

Needs to be lynched at some point.

[goodmorning]

@Psyche:
I have quit trying to explain to you why your case is wrong for the same reasons I have quit trying to explain to my little cousin that unicorns don't exist.

[kwll]

In the game I played with GM she was town. she actually made it to lylo but lost to my partner. I say she is town...she gives me that same fuzzy warm feeling.

[q21]

Nacho's case is laughable.

How is joels obvtown? I can see a noobtown read, for all that I wouldn't agree with it. And seriously, how do you get a town read of Mr Bad-Om-Vote-Then-Won't-Take-A-Stance-Against-Anyone Ztife? Not to mention your certainty that Om and GM are town. Do you actually find me scummy, or is it just process of elimination?

^this shit is terrible

So questioning your reads makes me scummy? Note: The posts you've quoted as reasons for GM and Ztife's towniness are a) not very convincing and b) came after I questioned your reads - so you still haven't explained why you thought they were town then.

I started the wagon based on PoE (mostly on recent activity in thread) and VCA of the Elleran lynch. Psyche later put together a full blown case, his summation of which is quoted below for your benefit.

====[] Please.

especially when coupled with this
q's contempt of PoE doesn't make sense when that's what the wagon he cares about so much is about
unless he's scum

PoE alone (what you seemed to be accusing me with at the time) is bad. VCA alone is bad. Combination of the 2 is better to the point of being enough to start a wagon. Psyche's case and GM's subsequent response to that case and her wagon add to it to make it good reason for a lynch.

Two things here. First is how he links himself and thereby his image to one of the games better, townier posters = scum move. Second is the request to lynch trollie which is followed up in his next post with a jump to kthxbye just about out of nowhere, which is, yet again, buddying up to Dannflor.

Seems that its about time for me to be voting Elleran again. Maybe the earlier hints of scumminess weren't so playstyle related afterall.

this is a pretty scummy post
he calls elleran town and tries to white knight him
but later, when he's needed to push the lynch through, he just goes for it like he never had a reason to call eleran town in the first place

Seriously, this is bullshit. I challenge you to find a day 1 post where I call Elleran town. Then find one where I white knight him. Hell, try and find me doing both in the same post. Go ahead, do it. You couldn't, could you? Like I said, bullshit. You're either mistaken or just outright lying. And the "but later" is misleading given that this is the actual post in which I revote Elleran - which you conveniently edited out.

q21 who do you actually find summy, and town? name at least 2 in each category please.

I'll switch to q21 anyday too =D

Scum
Goodmorning
Ztife

Probscum
Nachomamma (recently moved here from town due to lies in case against me)

Null
kwll
Jennifer

Probtown
Psyche
DRK

Town
Slandaar
Kthxbye
q21

[Jennifer]

I don't get a q21 scum vibe.. I went back through his ISO and just am not seeing the case against him.

And I didn't see any place where q21 was calling Elleran town. He had a scum read on him and never really let up from that.

[DeathRowKitty]

Nacho, is this based off of a meta read on him or is it based off of his posts in this game? Yes, this is important to know.


I'd be willing to compromise onto q21. I've had less of a read on him than probably anyone else in the game up to this point, but this was interesting. Any time he mentions Elleran except in that single post (plus or minus RVS shenanigans), it involves finding Elleran scummy. Then suddenly, for one post, he'd thought Elleran's scumminess was playstyle-related. I don't know that the rest of what Nacho said about him was very relevant, but that was a very interesting pickup.

[DeathRowKitty]

Actually...

Unvote: Ztife

Vote: q21

[DeathRowKitty]

Just as a warning, that's L-1. I think.

Okay yes, it is definitely L-1. I double-checked.

[Nachomamma8]

UGH NACHO
I'm just tired
I keep losing by being stupidlynched, it's a bit silly.
I think I see another stupidlynch coming on, and there's not really much of a case for me to argue against. Not much I can do about it.

^this is why goodmorning is town
last game with her, she threw her lot in with me and we argued for walls and walls and pages and pages
she loves a good fight as scum, puts up with less bullshit as town

Uh-huh.

Have you ever played with her as town? Or have you compared this to anything more than "that one time in my last game"?

I have.

kwll has literally lied twice in this game to try and defend his read on me.

I can prove it

Needs to be lynched at some point.

kwll seems genuine as fuck, don't want to lynch

PoE alone (what you seemed to be accusing me with at the time) is bad. VCA alone is bad. Combination of the 2 is better to the point of being enough to start a wagon. Psyche's case and GM's subsequent response to that case and her wagon add to it to make it good reason for a lynch.

bad+bad =/= good

Seriously, this is bullshit. I challenge you to find a day 1 post where I call Elleran town. Then find one where I white knight him. Hell, try and find me doing both in the same post. Go ahead, do it. You couldn't, could you? Like I said, bullshit. You're either mistaken or just outright lying. And the "but later" is misleading given that this is the actual post in which I revote Elleran - which you conveniently edited out.

yeah i fucked up you didn't call him town. DRK's post was a more accurate portrayal of events.
the other things in this post are nitpicky as fuck and stupid

[kwll]

deadline deadline.....lets drop the hammar

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, is this based off of a meta read on him or is it based off of his posts in this game? Yes, this is important to know.

it's like 99% meta

[kwll]

In case you are wrong nacho...who would be next?

[kwll]

If you are right...well...who would be next as well.