Obv-svum. Anyone who doesn't join the wagon is his buddy.
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:goodposting:Lowell wrote: vote nik.
Oh, the irony!Reckoner wrote:DeathRowKitty - seriously,she'she's obviously the SK
Also, I'm not liking this. Nikanor has 4 scumbuddies. We're already in mylo. Fortunately, all the scum have already outed themselves and the game should be easy from here on out.-
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He already is.Reckoner wrote: Ass. Clearly, you should be voting for the SK.
There's no one in this game I would policy lynch on sightAGM wrote: @Everyone - If you HAD to policy lynch one player in this game, who would it be and why?except Reckoner. Does the mod count?
New plan. Everyone vote sakako until he makes a vote on someone.sak wrote:Wow, random voting much? I think I'll pass for now.Vote: sakako-
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@Espeonage
Why an FoS and not a vote? Do you feel your current (random) vote is better than a vote for Sakako? (Sakako is clearly town, but that's beside the point of this question.)
You don'tNikanor wrote: ...Wait. I'm technically not Nik's buddy. Does that mean I have to self-vote?haveto, but it would be a nice gesture if you did. (Pleeeeaaaaaaaaaaaase? I'll post a "<" and a "3" in the shape of a heart if you do.)
Vote: kyle99
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I like Reckoner's vote.
I hate posts like this. We can't get to the later part of day 1 without getting out of the early part of day 1. Ignoring the early part of day 1 keeps us in the early part of day 1 longer. By waiting until you can be more effective, you're making yourself less effective.Neto wrote: For the record, I was simply stating that I don't like it and won't participate in it, not that I was demanding its end. Quite honestly, I've found that when I do participate in the RVS, I screw it up somehow...So, I generally wait until I'm useful to contribute heavily, which is in the later part of D1 and the subsequent days.
I don't get it.Sakako wrote:Well, I don't really have any reads. That's probably cause I still suck at scumhunting, but my vote's staying on [Reckoner] until Neto provides some information anyway.
@Neto
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Neto wrote:I don't particularly like Bob's vote on DRK. He put on a second vote without a lot of reasoning behind it. It's a light tell, but it is one nonetheless.
You said you thought it was a random vote, yet you'd voted him for giving a bad reason with his vote. What exactly about his vote did you find scummy and why?Neto wrote:It didn't look to me like he was serious, nor that the vote that he was talking about was serious. I figured it was just another excuse for a random vote, since most players like giving faux justification for their random votes. Honestly, though, I really hate the random votes thing. I think it's pointless and usually ends up lynching town.-
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Vote: Sakako
Towards the end of my back-and-forth with Neto, I was doing exactly what I claimed to be doing - harassing him. Sure, he was the scummiest player, but not as scummy as I was trying to play him off as.
I liked Reckoner's pressure/vote on Neto. It seemed to have an early game pro-town mindset to it. Pressure someone and get something going.
I don't like Sakako's jump onto Neto. It has more of a "hmm, it looks like this case might stick" kind of mindset to it. He did add on something new to the case on Neto, but it looks more like an add-on for the sake of having something to put down than it does like a real part of a case. Basically, a way to avoid looking like he was just bandwagoning someone with a couple of votes.
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Unofficial Votecount
[2] xRECKONERx - (Espeonage, MonkeyMan576)
[2] Netopalis - (Sakako, xRECKONERx)
[1] DeathRowKitty - (almightybob)
[1] kyle99 - (AlmasterGM)
[1] Espeonage - (Lowell)
[1] almightybob - (hitogoroshi)
[1] AlmasterGM - (kyle99)
[1] Lowell - (Nikanor)
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Possible. I'd say it's unlikely at this point. The possible deflection by Monkey was in fact noted though.Reckoner wrote: Monkey and Sakako are a potential scumteam.
Discuss.
If we assume 3 scum, this is trivially true.Monkey wrote: Random Player X and Random Player Y are a potential scumteam(as long as its not me). Discuss.
You suddenly seem very sure of this. Why?Sakako wrote: @DRK: Here's how I think it could work:
1. Find some pithy little case on someone
2. Repeatedly word the question about that case in a different manner in an attempt to cause them to contradict themselves
3. Use that contradiction as a major scum-tell
4. Lynch a townsperson.
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I took it to mean "there exist players x and y who are scum together, where player x, player y =/= MonkeyMan.Monkey wrote:
Why would you assume someone is scum based on random selection?DRK wrote:If we assume 3 scum, this is trivially true.
@Sakako
My point is that you originally voted with the reasoning that Reckoner's play "could have been" a trap. This is averyweak reason. The fact that you now said that youthinkit's a trap is more assured, as if you're trying to justify your vote by sounding more sure of yourself.-
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A couple of people in this game are pretty obv-town right now if you read closely enough. I don't see how Sakako is even remotely one of them.
Monkey also isn't one of them, but I'm nowhere near as sold on him as I am on Sakako.
Nikanor should stop lurking. I hear he's a pretty cool guy. Sort of. Possibly. Maybe? Oh, whatever, POST NIKANOR!-
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You seem to think that most of your attackers are town. Why do you think so?Sakako wrote:Okay. I'm not meaning to be defeatist. I should probably play a few more newbie games before trying to play with the big guys, but here's what I'm thinking.
xReck - most probably town. Either that, or very good scum. He's been hunting pretty much from the get-go, and that's good. I like that play.
Neto - more likely town than not. Just a gut feeling for now.
Kyle - not sure what to think. I'd like for him to provide a link to the game which he's using as meta for Monkey.
Monkey - quite possibly scum. I don't really have any new reasons for this, but I really don't like the way he shifted the discussion from him as scum to random x as scum.
Almaster - not quite sure here either.
Lowell - likewise.
DRK - Quite possibly town, for same scumhunting reasons as xReck.
Esp - possibly town. Making some good attempts at hunting.
Bob, Nik - possibly scum, lurking somewhat.
Hito - unsure. Possibly town though, making some good cases against me.
If I've forgotten anyone, please let me know.
I know where you're coming from with this and it's been giving me some trouble too. It's starting to remind me a bit of GreenDude from that game where you were fisherman. I still think Sakako is scum though.Reckoner wrote:He's seemingly too scummy to be scum. I know people think it's a null tell or logical fallacy
Someone mentioned Neto as likely scum recently and I can see some logic in it. Unfortunately, I'm so lazy right now that I don't feel like finding who said it.
Sakako's recent posts of trying to narrow it down to either Monkey or kyle are very scummy. False dichotomy much? To make it even better, they blatantly piggybacked off Reckoner's suspicions.-
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Okay, my first thought after reading the past couple pages: we have to lynch one of Sakako, Monkey, and kyle today. The associative tells we gain by lynching one of them could very easily break the game open at this point (well, depending on how many lurkers are scum). There's been some very awkward vote hopping among those wagons, moreso than can be reasonably expected if there weren't at least one scum among that group and at least one scum jumping between wagons.
Kyle's play this game has been horrible, regardless of alignment. I'm currently thinking a lot of it can be pinned down to meta. (In my other game with him, someone referred to him (in reference to another game) as "lurk 'n hammer kyle" or something to that effect. That sounds very similar to his play here.)
Sakako seems to be happy with any vote that isn't on him. The bigger the wagon he's jumping onto, the better. This is self-preservation at its finest - he doesn't even seem concerned with whether or not the people he votes are scum. I still definitely feel he's our best lynch candidate.
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This.I am completely unconvinced of this Kyle wagon right now. I have already explained why I think lynching him because he's "hard to read" is a bad play. Given the fact that there are plenty of other people acting extremely scummy (Monkey and Sak), I see no reason why Kyle cannot wait. Monkey isn't even trying to explain himself in response to anything I say, he's just letting it get buried in all the lotsofposting and hoping the wagon on Kyle will take over.
Kyle would be more or less a policy lynch at this point. He wouldn't be abadlynch information-wise, but we have two scummier players that would also be very good lynches information-wise.
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Fixed.Monkey wrote:Bad logic isscummyan indicator that someone uses bad logic.
Premature (and almost completely unreadable) vote analysis time!
The names next to each person indicate the people they voted for,orange indicates an FoS, {votes in brackets are RVS votes}, the numbers show what number vote it was on the player (numbers next to italicized names indicate how many votes were on the FoSed player). A vertical line indicates an unvote without a new vote being made (the number in parentheses next to a vertical line indicates the number of votes on the player before the unvote):
AlmasterGM- {kyle (1)} Monkey (4), Nikanor (2), Monkey (2)
almightybob- {DRK (2)*} Monkey (2)
DeathRowKitty- {Nikanor (1), Sakako (1)+} kyle (2), Neto (1), Sakako (1),Monkey(2)
Espeonage- {xRx (1)Sakako(1)+} Monkey (1), kyle (2), Monkey (3)
hitogoroshi- {almightybob (1)} kyle (2)
kyle99- {Lowell (1), AGM (1)} Sakako (5)
Lowell- {Nikanor (2)} Espeon (2),Monkey(2), Monkey (3), Nikanor (1),xRx(0),Neto(0)
MonkeyMan576- {xRx (2)+} Neto (1), Sakako (4), kyle (3),Nikanor(2)
Netopalis- {} almightybob (2) | (2), Monkey (2), Sakako (3)
Nikanor- {Lowell (1)} AGM (1)
Sakako- {Espeon (1)}Espeon(1), Neto (3) | (2), xRx (1) | (1), Nikanor (3), Monkey (4)
xRECKONERx- {DRK (1)} Neto (2), Sakako (2), kyle (1) | (1), Nikanor (1)
*Occurred during the RVS, but not a random vote
+Random?
Things to note:- Kyle was willing to make two random votes, but has only made one vote since, a vote that put Sakako at L-2.
- Reckoner's jumped around a bit, but has been willing to hold unpopular opinions. Prob-town.
- Three of Sakako's four real votes have put the 3rd or 4th vote on a player and have usually come not long after other votes appear on those players. His other real vote looks a lot like OMGUS. Scummy.
- Nikanor is prob-town. That doesn't actually follow from the voting analysis, but I figured I'd say that since Nikanor has a couple of votes on him.
- AGM (I think it was AGM) pointed this out at some point, but a Neto-Monkey scum team wouldn't be implausible. They had their early battle over very little (distancing), gave up and both hopped on the Sakako wagon. Neto's unvote came when Monkey had 4 votes because apparently questioning Monkey wasn't going anywhere. Plus, they've been independently scummy.
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You're pretty much starting the game 17 pages in and we've already established some sort of triichotomy among Monkey, Sakako, and kyle, yet you blatantly ignore all 3 and attack two other people instead. I don't see the scum motivation.Nikanor wrote: Why do you think I'm probtown, DRK?
It kind of goes along with what Lowell said earlier, about how he would just lurk through all this if he were scum. It would just be too easy for you to blend in as scum by joining in on one or two of the already-established wagons. Instead, you picked someone that no one has put a vote on all game and vote him instead.-
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Not buying the claim. The whole "you'd better not lynch me... " thing just doesn't sound like a townie claim. It sounds more like nervous scum.
Interesting that none of the four actions Monkey claimed are confirmable. Vig is almost always part of a JOAT, but it's conveniently missing from this one. Then again, it's probably better not to get into mod in front of me.
Blah, blah, blah, better not to lynch a claimed PR. I say leave him alive another day. He'll still be here tomorrow.
I'm not liking Neto's reaction to the claim. Mostly gut. Sounds like he's trying to appear to be really thinking hard about it. Then again, Reckoner's reaction sounds kind of forced...
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I'll get to more pressing issues in a minute, but first thing's first; look at the votecount:
Lowell has to vote someone who currently has no votes so the vote count (reading upward) will contain the 0th through 5th terms of the Fibbonacci Sequence. We might never get an opportunity like this again. Don't let it go to waste.KittyMod wrote:Vote Count XII
aka the Wow, you guys vote a lot while I'm asleep vote count
[5] MonkeyMan576 - (AlmasterGM, almightybob, Espeonage, xRECKONERx, Netopalis)
[3] Netopalis - (DeathRowKitty, Nikanor, Sakako)
[2] Sakako - (MonkeyMan576, kyle99)
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Fibonacci Vote Count
[5] MonkeyMan576 - (AlmasterGM, almightybob, Espeonage, xRECKONERx, Netopalis)
[3] Netopalis - (DeathRowKitty, Nikanor, Sakako)
[2] Sakako - (MonkeyMan576, kyle99)
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Oh, right, I'm supposed to be making a post. Yay for getting distracted!
I agree that Monkey is probably scum. I also think that on the off-chance he really is JOAT, we should give him a night to test it out. He should "use" one of his investigative actions tonight, probably tracker (if he claims to have protected someone, we lynch him on the spot) and we can decide on him tomorrow if he's still alive. It's not like we don't have other good lynches.
The mathematical analysis by Sakako, as fun as it looks, is rather useless because it assumes 50-50 odds on Monkey being scum when the odds are definitely higher than that. Unless we plan on quantifying those odds, no mathematical analysis like that will help. Even then, it would miss important factors.
+5 scum pointsMM wrote:Wow, if I'm telling the truth you dont believe me and lynch a power role and if I'm scum you punish me for having a good fakeclaim. This is good reasoning.
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Oh, I see. I just skimmed it the first time. Now I've read it.
I object to you giving him a 75% chance of being town in your calculations because the chances of that are much lower. I'd put it at around 20-25%. Then again, assigning a number to it is pretty meaningless right now.
Should be 9/11 and 2/11 because the player removed from the calculation was scum.Sak wrote:Someone else is scum 25% chance
Monkey is town 8/11 chance (best case) = 1/11 ~ 9.1%
Monkey is scum 3/11 chance (best case) = 3/88 ~ 3.4%
If you feel like doing more random math, a more relevant (but honestly, still useless) number to come up with would be the expected gain or loss from lynching or not lynching in terms of number of town/scum that get lynched on average in each case. It's basically a waste of time though unless you just enjoy doing the math.-
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^ I was destined to get this role.Tracker Role PM wrote:TRACKER
You are the town Tracker! The mafia have infiltrated your town, and you're determined to stop before it's too late. As a hobby, you've taken upstalking...errr, tracking people. Each night, you can target someone, and find out who (if anyone) that person targetted. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, regardless of whether you survive or not.
Please confirm by responding to this PM. The game thread is here: {insert hyperlink to thread}
I was way off day 1. I got my act together a bit night 1 and tracked Reckoner, only to be NKed (and of course I got the PM telling me Reckoner targetted me >.<). Bleh. For what it's worth, Lowell was one of my stronger town reads when I died and Hito was...well...I think 6th or 7th on my scumlist or something like that.
Good game scum. I voted KittyMo for MVP.
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