Mini 727 - Mafia in Standardville - Game Over
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Okay here's how the first 2 pages look to me.
9-11- the banter between artem and artifex makes me uneasy
30- charter's post is strange, he chides panzer, then votes with him
33- artem gives a speech about "how many votes is scummy" then unvotes artifex [what was the point?], then only FOSs charter [??]
35- BSG hits it RIGHT ON THE NOSE
38-40- more uncomfortable banter from artem and artifex
What I don't like is (a) the banter betweenartemandartifex, which seems to keep happening, and (b) the odd vote/unvote by artem on artifex. It's like he voted for artifex to set up a lecture about the nature of votes, then unvoted, only to FOS someone he said he was actually suspicious of. It looks like he was throwing a token "distancing" vote to a scumbuddy early, then just flimsily moving somewhere else. There's so much buddying here that I think at least one of them is scum.
Generally, I just think they're lazy as well. BSG was the random choice for a few votes at the beginning. Then, somehow, it became something one had toexplainwhen they weren't voting for BSG. I think they're happy letting the initial pressure dictate what happens, which itself is very scummy.
BSGhas handled the pressure well, I think. Post 35 is exactly on the money and he seems to be payign attention genearlly.LynxI just think is town because he's active and not trying to kiss ass.
One more. Despitecharter's strange post 30, I think he's town as well. I like the fact that he's willing to take BSG up to L-2 just to see what happens. That strikes me as gutsy, and townish.-
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From the top:
9- artifex votes Xdaamno for placing a 3rd vote on BSG [-, pointless]
10- artem votes artifex for taking on "easy target" [-, equally pointless]
12- danchaofan votes artem for taking on "easy target" [-, ditto]
29- panzer votes BSG, 4th vote
30- charter votes BSG, 5th vote [+]
33- artem unvotes artifex, FOSs charter [-, why just FOS?]
35- BSG votes artem [+, points out hypocrisy]
37- lynx votes artem for not voting
77- lowell summarizes, calls artem and artifex scummy, BSG and lynx town
91- panzer votes charter
94- panzer posts on all players, artem and charter are scummy
99- charter votes artem
100- artem leads w/ 4 votes
110- panzer votes artem
112- artem votes lowell for not explaining himself [-, lazy]
118- darox votes lynx, claims "paranoid gun owner" (kills those that target him) [+, good point]
119- master ruck votes artem for random targets [+]
124- panzer asks for artem to claim
127- artifex votes darox, doesn't believe claim
128- artem leads w/ 5 votes
134- master ruck calls lowell stupid [lowell cries]
137- artem defends lowell vote
142- charter calls MR scum, asks for artem claim
143- artem claims vanilla town
148- artem continues to defend MR and lowell cases [-, backtracking]
153- Xdaamo votes charter [-, lazy, distracting]
171- lynx votes xdaamo for jumping then abandoning artem wagon [+, very good]
182- dancha votes xdaamo
183- xdaamo gets angry...
184- panzer votes xdaamno
190- BSG FOSs xdaamno and MR
214- charter votes xdaamno
220- tubby votes lynx for reaction to darox claim, interaction with xdaamno
unvote, vote xdaamno, FOS artem. I'm willing to lynch either one.
Xdaamo jumps on the artem wagon early, then abandons it in post 153 just as it's gaining steam for a very flimsy case on charter. This looks like derailment. His reactions to being called out for it (183 and others) don't do anything to help his defense.
artem has looked scummy throughout. The case on me in 112 is lazy and made just as pressure on him to do something is mounting. When called on that he spends a lot of time (137, 148) explaining himself. 148 in particular really looks like a case made in hindsight. He slapped a vote down when he was in trouble, then went back after the fact to justify it. His claim of vanilla town does nothing to make me think he shouldn't be the lynch.
I believedarox's claim, and find him to be pro-town. His claim wasnotmade under duress, which makes it credible.
More town points forcharterandlynx. Lynx has led the attack on xdaamno, and charter made a series of townish posts (99, 142, 214). As well, I'm leaning town forartifexandpanzer, but both of those are more gut feelings than anything else.-
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I have literally no opinion on panzer. Nice try, though.Master Ruck wrote:Xda is avoiding a lynch because attention has been moved to panzer and Xda had nothing to do with it. Threatening to hammer himself didn't matter too much as Artifex said she was willing to put the hammer down so the self hammer would, as Xda said himself, only serve to make his words the last of the day. You seem to be trying to draw attention away from panzer with that post.-
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@lynx- I pushed for an artem wagon because I thought it was better than the Xda wagon, based on their interactions. I backed off at the end when charter came out with his "bet my life artem is town" bit. I assumed this meant he had some information he didn't want to reveal at the time.
@charter- had you hid behind scum you would have been killed? Is that how your role works?-
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I'm not sure what artem wants me to comment on. My lurking isnt' intentional, nor is it a strategy. I don't have that much of a footing in this game.
I'll try to do a post-by-post recap from the last time I really paid close attention, sometime next week.
Offhand I'll say I don't understand the lynx case, and I find artem's suspicion me a little (a) OMGUS, and (b) convenient. If there is something to the lynx case, however, I think artem is doing a great job of derailment.-
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@artem- what makes me think it might be derailment is the fact that you're attack on me seems convenient and contrived. You're being vocal about it in order to not have to take a stance on lynx.
panzer and charter are behaving strangely. They both left the lynx wagon to vote... each other. panzer in particular looks strange. He seems annoyed that the lynx wagon faltered and hit back with an OMGUS on charter, now that he has cover with tubby's questioning of the claim.-
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When you do this 5 days from deadline it looks a lot like derailment. Those are my most recent thoughts.Master Ruck wrote:5 days until deadline. I'll go with you on this Artem, as a possibly confirmed town, but with the time left I question just how much will be accomplished with his posts being so rare. I know the votes have the intention of making him post, but my vote won't suddenly make him come online.
Unvote
Vote: Lowell
For when you next come on, Lowell, I'd like from you a summary of your thoughts on this game, but I'd like them to be as specific as possible. No being vague or diverting away from the point.-
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from post 237
250- xda leads w/ 6 votes, lynch-1
254- master ruck complains about how bad he is [-, he doth protest too much]
257- master ruck says he'll keep his vote on xda "for now" [-, looks like coaching]
260- xda vote master ruck [+, good]
279- darox lays out lynx case [+, good, though flawed]
283- lynx responds
296- mr unvotes xda
302- tubby votes xda
306- artifex wants the day longer [-, avoiding hammer]
317- charter wants panzer dead instead
318- xda votes panzer
327- artem votes panzer
328- charter votes panzer
341- darox votes panzer
353- xda leads w/ 5 votes, panzer w/ 4
371- lowell accuses artem of deflection
387- artem votes xda
424- charter "bets his life" artem is town [!]
428- artem tries to link players together [-, terrible]
434- xda votes artem
464- xda lynched (lynx, dancho, panzer, lowell, tubby, artem), flips TOWN
465- afatchic NKed, townsperson
469- charter votes panzer
470- panzer votes charter
483- charter claims HIDER
485- lynx votes charter, doesn't believe claim
486- darox votes lynx
497- artem votes Lowell [-, based on links to players, bad reasoning]
514- panzer votes lynx
567- tubby votes lynx
568- charter votes lynx
571- artem lays out case against lowell
576- lynx votes darox
603- lynx leads w/ 4 votes
608- charter votes panzer
624- panzer votes charter
625- lowell calls out panzer for OMGUS and frustration over collapse of lynx wagon
628- lynx votes panzer [-, continues to set up future lowell vote]
634- charter expands panzer case [+, very thorough]
638- master ruck votes panzer
641- panzer votes lynx, "him or me"
669- tubby votes panzer
670- lowell votes panzer
694- MR unvotes, votes lowell, hopes artem joins [---, derailment like whoa]
@artem 571- there's another alternative to what you say: I'm telling the truth. You think my plan was to make up something after the fact to cover my ass, but first say "oh, wait, hold on, I'm not sure why I did that?" I assure you that if and when I make stuff up to cover my ass, you won't be able to tell.
Post 694 bymaster ruckis very very bad. This looks like textbook, almost-too-obvious derailment. Panzer is within a vote of being lynched. MR voted panzer just after the expansion of the case by charter in 634. When the wagon gained steam, he jumped onto the most obvious wagon (Lowell). Nothing really happend between 634 and 695 that should have made a difference, but he knows that he's insulated by the fact that (a) I dont' defend myself that often, and (b) artem's narrowminded pursuit of me.
FOS master ruck
In many many of his recent posts,lynxreferences/chides/admonishes/notices my lurking nature, without casting a vote. He, like ruck, looks like he's trying to set up an easy and safe vote on me later on.
FOS lynx. He's fallen from town to scum very fast in my eyes.
The hider claim seems more believeable than the PGO claim. PGO in such a small game seems like a strange choice.-
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^^^ this is scummy.Master Ruck wrote:Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. It would still be nice to know why he didn't think to target anyone like dan or you. Hell, I think even Darox would have been a fair vig even if his PGO claim IS true.
Being a vig is retarded. Saying a vig should have done something else is even more retarded.
That's an equivocating statement you made.-
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I have a question for you. Why didn't you use your powers on N1?tubby216 wrote:well to me i thought lynx had more scummy moments, like he was flying just a shade to far under the radar for my liking. like he was trying to hard to do just enough to be town
i diddn't want to kill lowell or art due to panzer's post i wanted to see how they reacted,
although now in hindsight i should have shot lowel he was on my list it was either him or lynx i chose lynx.
although now in hindsight i may have just single handly won the game for the scum, i'd glady go to the gallows for my actions but i am not sure how close to lylo we are,
will re-read and post thoughts on dan,lowell and art-
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This is a strange response. In minis, most one-shot vigs I've seen (myself included) use their kill on N1, since the odds of dying either N1 or D2 are so high.tubby216 wrote:i only have one shot, i diddn't want to burn it with nothing to go on
Whatever. I don't know what to make of it, if anything.-
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wait. THAT's the brilliant plan?
people need to pay more attention. Here's why that plan doens't work.
IT'S RETARDED. If there's two scum left than it DOES matter the order we try to lynch.
FTR, I believe there's only one scum remaining. I believe charter so that leaves freeko and MR. More likely to be MR in my opinon, as he's the one being so eager to curry town-favor lately.
FOS MR-
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Ha. Freeko is scum, and he's alone.
1) The only way MR could be scum is if freeko is lying. In which case they'd BOTH be scum. They've BOTH had the opportunity to hammer me for the win, which they haven't done.
2) If only one of MR or freeko is scum, it has to be freeko (as charter said and I now agree with), unless there are some strange mechanics we're not understanding.
lynch freeko today.
^^^ remember this if I'm dead.-
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