Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[Cook]

Hey folks! Glad to be back playing games. Should be a good one!

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys to open. Can’t let the haters stay unnoticed.

[Cook]

confirmed town? as in green fire?

[Cook]

third top!

is the grass green this time of year?

[Cook]

If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

albeit for only a little bit. then it would be brown.

[Cook]

If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

silence exe
albeit for only a little bit. then it would be brown.

the fire would still be greener than the grass until it disappeared

Exactly, this is why we have to vote Cook, she's scumslipping...

[Cook]

If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

albeit for only a little bit. then it would be brown.

the fire would still be greener than the grass until it disappeared

Exactly, this is why we have to vote Cook, she's scumslipping...

pedit;

SILENCE, EXE

[Cook]

man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much it’s almost like hyperposting is a way to townlead

[Cook]

"defensive" is a bit of a weird read of that post

agree and i think that maybe my wagon knows something about me

[Cook]

i’ve been busy all day so if you’re SR’ing me for inactivity i’d recommend unvoting

[Cook]

i’m confused why there isn’t much discussion about my wagon when four people are on it

[Cook]

you literally asked for a candy bar for town vibes?

we get a little silly with it

i wonder if it’s code for something

[Cook]

you literally asked for a candy bar for town vibes?

we get a little silly with it

i wonder if it’s code for something

does this relate to people on your wagon Knowing

no, cause scum would be talking about it in their pt, not out in the air

[Cook]

i’m confused why there isn’t much discussion about my wagon when four people are on it

do you have anything to say about your wagon

i don’t like it and think its wheels might have been greased by scum somehow

[Cook]

isn’t that a big wagon now too

[Cook]

eh. two votes. nvm

[Cook]

[quote="Asri Teroka" post_id=13807303 post_num=167 time=<a href="tel:1686443184" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">1686443184</a> user_id=36970]
[quote=Ausuka post_id=13807248 post_num=157 time=<a href="tel:1686441773" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">1686441773</a> user_id=30241]

1) She says, "man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much"

You are all posting too much this one says Cook is right here.
[/quote]
I mean cook has more posts than me
[/quote]but less content overall

[Cook]

doubt a townie would have lolhammered anyhow

[Cook]

Either way this one is suspect of the wagon getting so far so fast on so little reasoning to vote.

agree with you there. i don't know if it's even an issue, but regardless, i think it's respectable to be offended at a wagon on me when the game's barely started

[Cook]

we're all in agreement here! that's awesome!

[Cook]

so that leaves katykimfanclub, ausuka, and fireisredsir unanswered for their votes. not going to jump to conclusions yet but i think there's a red somewhere in these three, statistically at least.

[Cook]

but let's get the ball going on questions.

@fireisredsir

, for 20 posts you've put out very little content. what are your thoughts on the wagon?

[Cook]

this is so awesome

what is so awesome?

[Cook]

gotcha, gotcha

since you seem to be around, any thoughts on the game situation so far?

[Cook]

Wow, apparently I'm late to the party.

i didn't even know you were in the game! welcome! not every day we see a skittle jumping in the fray but, y'know

well 118 has been bugging me cuz it's a weird reason to suspect someone with an even weirder timing since Happy started facing heat there. Feels kinda like an attempt to redirect attention

redirect attention?

[Cook]

i wonder if this scumteam is actually working to bail each other out

even so, emotions play out weirdly when it comes to longform forum games. it's like you're playing phone tag

[Cook]

hu you have posted precious little this game! i get it though, we're all busy

[Cook]

Hi, sorry, I've been reading and meaning to post but the pace of posts was a lot higher than expected. As for my vote on Cook, I just did it because I know a cook in real life and I don't like them. That was literally it.

same here, both counts. all good, man

[Cook]

but let's get the ball going on questions.

@fireisredsir

, for 20 posts you've put out very little content. what are your thoughts on the wagon?

i thought your initial reaction to there being votes on you felt off, especially because 2 of them came before you ever posted (and invisibility's seemed like mostly a joke?) so it was weird to call it a wagon that had anything to do with you. your posting seemed a little anxious so i wanted to vote there mostly to pressure a little more and see what the response was

tbh it felt like the game was moving faster than i could react to it and that i had to get a word in edgeways or i was going to get limmed without time to put myself out there or anything. i don't know if i was unfounded in thinking that, but yknow. always a pleasant surprise to start a day with two votes on me, even if random

i felt like ausuka was seeing the same things (she poked at it a little earlier, and then joined with a vote and more explanation a little after), so i was happy to see the wagon grow there. really i think mine and hers are the only two meaningful votes, and there's not a lot of point in discussing the rvs ones or considering them as part of a wagon

okay, okay. i'll ignore them now.

i didn't really like the immediate response in 139 and 141, felt like more of the kind of anxious not sure how to handle being wagoned type energy that i think is more likely to come from scum

pressure, friend. i dunno how to handle it. i feel like i get SR'd for being anxious under pressure. might just be me

i also kinda think 183 is lacking in critical thinking or in approaching the situation with a real attempt to solve, because there's no reason to include katykim's vote in the group since again, it came before you ever posted

you'd think i'd catch things like that but apparently i don't.



well, thanks for your thoughts.

[Cook]

Either way this one is suspect of the wagon getting so far so fast on so little reasoning to vote.

agree with you there.

i don't know if it's even an issue

, but regardless, i think it's respectable to be offended at a wagon on me when the game's barely started

So Cook, you say you don't know if it's even an issue. What are you talking about here because isn't what this is all about?

i meant it like "i'm not even sure if i'm right to be concerned about a flash wagon in the first 24 hours".

[Cook]

i'm going to reread, i'm having Thoughts about this buddy-buddy stuff

[Cook]

ausuka you asked... one question. i missed it. why is that such a big deal to you

[Cook]

ausuka you asked... one question. i missed it. why is that such a big deal to you

It isn't?

then why bring it up twice?

Spoiler: receipts

cook wagon slowly building.
I need to see the people on the wagon's justifications, don't just give "oh idk bc of the vibes" as a reason
rvs is a valid reason

I wanted to give her a chance to answer my questions first but it doesn't seem like she's interested in doing that so shrug. I think 111 and 112 are worded in a way where I'm not sure I'm not misunderstanding anything but my concerns are

1) She says, "man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much" which is a fairly common sentiment to see in games but I can't say I've ever seen it on page 5. She had made a few posts already and they were pretty evenly spread out throughout the thread, but the posts weren't game related; I don't think she was struggling to keep up with the post volume. I think it's more likely she was struggling to engage in scumhunting/alignment discussion which is something I think comes from scum more often.

2) Struggling to keep up with mafia play is, like, +scum chance but also something that can come from people of either alignment who haven't played in a while. In this case, I think it's more likely than usual to come from mafia cook because she tries to paint it as people being hyperactive and flooding the thread rather than her being disengaged from mafia; I think this shows an interest in like, Not Looking Bad and it doesn't feel like it's organic posting I guess. Similarly, she later implies that she's being voted for inactivity when in reality cook has been like, right in the middle of postcount at pretty much all times.

3) with 112 I still don't really get what it means so I don't want to jump to conclusions here but it felt like piggybacking fire's 'push' on happy (which in hindsight wasn't a real push i guess) which felt sort of bad

so that leaves katykimfanclub, ausuka, and fireisredsir unanswered for their votes. not going to jump to conclusions yet but i think there's a red somewhere in these three, statistically at least.

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What?

I made a pretty long post outlining my justification for thinking Cook is scum and also asked her questions which got ignored

Katykimfanclub's vote was in rvs and putting her as part of this group definitely needs explanation

man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much it’s almost like hyperposting is a way to townlead

"defensive" is a bit of a weird read of that post

agree and i think that maybe my wagon knows something about me

In what way are you having trouble following it? Also like, can you explain what 112 is getting at because I don't think I understand

i couldn't follow if fire, invisibility, and happy were saying

anything

of substance.

112... what do you want me to say?

[Cook]

ausuka you asked... one question. i missed it. why is that such a big deal to you

It isn't?

then why bring it up twice?

Because I can and because I think it was relevant - I don't think not answering the question is scummy in itself, but it supports the argument of other things, like you not really seeming to actually care that much about sorting the wagon. Like it's possible that you missed the question and you missed my explanation and you decided to include a RVS vote in your POE and you actually did see sorting your wagon as a priority, but in combination these things aren't that likely. Also, twice is like, not a very high amount.

>lays out exactly what i was doing
>"not that likely"

man i’m having a real hard time following this game! y’all are posting so much it’s almost like hyperposting is a way to townlead

"defensive" is a bit of a weird read of that post

agree and i think that maybe my wagon knows something about me

In what way are you having trouble following it? Also like, can you explain what 112 is getting at because I don't think I understand

i couldn't follow if fire, invisibility, and happy were saying

anything

of substance.

112... what do you want me to say?

112 wasn't really a push question, I just genuinely do not understand what you're trying to say. like 'maybe my wagon knows something about me' - what do they know? Is this related to a scumread on happy?

it's not related to a scumread on happy, though now that i think about it...

the partnering issue discredits that theory.

[Cook]

VOTE: Cook

This one did almost vote HighPrincessErynis but this is fine.

why vote?

[Cook]

I don't think veryhappy is scum right now

I'm not really trying to predict the entire scumteam - I think the odds of that working this early are very low. But like, there are people like T3 and S_S and Katykim who could easily be scum here because they haven't really done a lot. There are also people like Black who aren't really scummy outright but I'm not townreading at this point. I'm not really close to hard-townreading enough people where I'm running out of potential scum candidates.

SRing low activity players is a very noncommittal choice there ausuka. actually you're being really middle-of-the-road

[Cook]

VOTE: Cook

This one did almost vote HighPrincessErynis but this is fine.

why vote?

This one knows mis-elims don't happen here day ones, is the philosophy.

Who should this one be voting? Fire and Ausuka are town here.

why is ausuka town

[Cook]

I don't think veryhappy is scum right now

I'm not really trying to predict the entire scumteam - I think the odds of that working this early are very low. But like, there are people like T3 and S_S and Katykim who could easily be scum here because they haven't really done a lot. There are also people like Black who aren't really scummy outright but I'm not townreading at this point. I'm not really close to hard-townreading enough people where I'm running out of potential scum candidates.

SRing low activity players is a very noncommittal choice there ausuka. actually you're being really middle-of-the-road

What am I supposed to say, they couldn't easily be scum? SS is locktown because it came to me in a dream?

read the people who are present in less "ho hum, you might be scum but might not i don't know" ways

[Cook]

I think I've done plenty of that. If anything, I'd be interested to hear *your* reads on the people who are present

alright

ItalianoVD

and

iamveryhappy

and have something going on. on that note, invisibility is

not

partnered with italiano, because they had too much interaction in the first few pages, though it wasn't on-topic but that just is too genuine. actually, no,

Invisibility

is a townread for me.

Ausuka

is my unpopular pick for scum. You speak too much in hypotheticals and refuse to commit, as if you getting exe'd will result in your team losing.

Cook

is obviously a valuable Town player and shouldn't be exe'd or NK'd

HighPrincessErinys

confuses me. i can't get a read on it.

Black

, imo, is also a strong townread. the content doesn't seem shallow to me.

Hu Tao

is on the scummy side of low-posting. if i were someone to make archetypes out of players, Hu is very similar to a certain other class of players. they're scummy and low content, mostly just shallow reactionary IIOA but it's very NAI as an archetype. i think Hu won't be eliminated but if we have no leads they're getting the boot.

T3

and

S_S

are too inactive for me to read.

fireisredsir

and

KatyKimFanClub

... nothing's springing to mind at the moment. i want to post thoughts but they aren't coming to me yet.

[Cook]

People I Want To See Post More

Black

, for more of your analysis

HPE

, so i can read you better

Hu Tao

so i can sort you

T3 and S_S

cause you both haven't said much

Asri Teroka

, i forgot to read you in that other post. i don't really trust you. give me a reason to trust you.

People I Want To Townread

Ausuka

. i wish i could trust you and hope we're the same team so that better scumhunting is a thing, but i can't get visions of you flipping red out of my head

Invisibility

feels like a green, at least not a scumpartner with my other scumreads.

[Cook]

fwiw i didn't read anything past this

until i was done with this

reads

[Cook]

People I Want To Townread

Ausuka

. i wish i could trust you and hope we're the same team so that better scumhunting is a thing, but i can't get visions of you flipping red out of my head

I'm sort of confused about this. I mean, from the perspective of town Cook, my play so far has basically been to put a townie at e-2 which you seem to think is a majorly anti-town play, make a big post accusing that townie of being scum in a way you seem to disapprove of, and apparently you think my play is non-committal and I speak in hypotheticals - I would object to this since it seems to be based on one post responding to someone asking me about a hypothetical, but this isn't that relevant. From this point of view, town Ausuka would be playing a pretty bad game. What I'm trying to say is, what about my play so far makes you wish I was town?

i see the parts of a good player in you and wish i didn't feel like i was on the receiving end of them

[Cook]

LMAO

[Cook]

i don't like that mason claim, ESPECIALLY now that it fell flat.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[Cook]

i don’t like it and think its wheels might have been greased by scum somehow

Do you think you're particularly likely to flail when wagoned, and scum know this? Or why do scum want this wagon to be a thing

i am particularly likely to flail when wagoned and it's been a problem before

[Cook]

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

I like this post

how come?

[Cook]

iamveryhappy is either shitposting scum or is town pr

[Cook]

iamveryhappy is either shitposting scum or is town pr

Still, don't you feel that erynis and happy are aligned?

says who?

[Cook]

Really don't know what Asri's gameplan is in general, or why they're copying my speech pattern, actually.

i'm curious about that too.

Asri, answer for this.

[Cook]

pagetop

[Cook]

unrelated but this one. thinks its solved the asri mystery after it saw they were indeed speaking like this one in prior games. huhn.

why did you think they were copying you to begin with lol

This one initially took a cursory glance at like one or two pages of their meta outside this game and they seemed to speak normally, but then it finally saw their Hollow Knight posts. It's a bit more complicated than that but this one is pretty sure it knows what's up atleast.

what is up, then?

[Cook]

more to the point does it matter to the game

[Cook]

I noticed that Cook used to be voting for HPE and now is voting for Italiano. Could someone help me find where her opinion of HPE changed?

cook's vote on HPE was in rvs, and later she said that she found HPE confusing and couldn't really get a read on it

so im not sure it was ever a real vote

it was in fact an RVS vote

[Cook]

gonna be honest i'm liking iamveryhappy less and less as the day goes on

[Cook]

also ausuka i think i was wrong about you. throwing you in the townbucket for today.

[Cook]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

[Cook]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

not that it makes him townier to me

, but that the play was made to

try to regain towncred

hope this helps

[Cook]

also ausuka i think i was wrong about you. throwing you in the townbucket for today.

what changed your mind?

i'm feeling like her content has either improved or i'm seeing her with less red-tinted glasses

in either case... i dunno. i trust a bit more.

[Cook]

still lowkey hate that wagon on me

[Cook]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

not that it makes him townier to me

, but that the play was made to

try to regain towncred

hope this helps

as in Italiano claimed mason to gain towncred or retracted the claim to gain towncred?

retracted it, after you disproved it

[Cook]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

[Cook]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

I mean, I am too, but why is your conclusion from it that it's scummy for italiano

you are what

[Cook]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

that still doesn't answer my question

i don't know, get hammered and flip red?

[Cook]

i'm not italiano, i didn't claim mason and get shut down

[Cook]

I'm trying to ask about your read on Italiano

Like, do you think he expects invisibility to claim masons with him? After invisibility calls him scum so strongly

Is there more to the mason claim being scummy?

respectively:
- ask about it then, or point to a place when you asked about it please
- no, no i don't
-

why in the goddamn would town fakeclaim.

if there is no logical reason for it, then there you go. that's why i scumread italiano

[Cook]

happy birthday ausuka

[Cook]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

I mean, I am too, but

why is your conclusion from it that it's scummy for italiano

thank you!!

I think most players would interpret it as a joke because no shit they are not masons

I am trying to understand why you are approaching this from the angle it was intended to be taken seriously.

perhaps i am bad at reading that kind of thing and it doesn't go well in terms of playing mafia

[Cook]

Like if it makes no sense for town to do and it makes no sense for scum to do according to you how is that not NAI

general feel on italiano??

i don't know. i should be thinking it's nai.

[Cook]

this one thinks it'd be willing to ball on italiano??

to ball?

[Cook]

VOTE: Black

that's an unusual vote! mind explaining it?

[Cook]

I think they could be partners based off of 419 and 420. It's a weird interaction for me and I'm wondering why Cook would say it the way she did. "Scum or Town Pr?" It's kinda specifically suspicous. Then happy's response just seems disjointed. I read it multiple times and sounds like what should be in a scum PT.

"someone who wants to not die"

[Cook]

that's what scum or town pr is for me

[Cook]

how is that shaking things up?

[Cook]

how is voting me going to change anything

[Cook]

fair point i guess

[Cook]

just don't get why people are voting me

[Cook]

black are you trying to buddy me

[Cook]

black are you trying to buddy me

If I was I wouldn't be doing a very good job. I have you as a null read

fair enough

still could be though

[Cook]

I think the overarching theme with cook is that I don't really get the feeling she cares about scumhunting or wants to kill the mafia particularly.

do you care about this either? just saying

I think probably the best example of this is the aftermath of the Cook wagon hitting e-2; obviously I've already gone over this, but for someone who was primarily looking for scum on her wagon her behaviour was odd. While it's not impossible for her to miss it I would expect someone in that situation to have seen the pretty big post that I made outlining why I was voting cook. She also included a RVS vote in there from KKFC and that feels even more bizarre. It felt like she was going through the motions of saying 'look, there is scum on my wagon, scum in these people' but wasn't really thinking it through and actually, like, scumhunting.

that was a massive shitshow as a whole. i'm just trying to play the game and here you are getting on my case for forgetting to go do something after people gave me the second opinion that the wagon didn't matter. and ex

cuse

me for putting an RVS vote in that pile under duress. honest townies make mistakes. don't lie to me and tell me that doesn't happen. don't pretend that every little mistake matters. get out of the tunnel and go hunt scum, instead of trying to kill people for playing a bad town game.

I get similar vibes from the push on italiano. I think it felt after the mason claim that it felt like most people were pretty against italiano for it. I think that was sort of the initial response and as people thought it through more they saw it as, like, not as big of a deal. I felt like cook was pushing italiano on it later than most people and her reasoning - bringing up the walkback especially when that was always going to be inevitable - felt off to me. When I pressed her on it, she initially seemed pretty indignant about it - even bolding 'why would TOWN do it' - and then fell back on 'idk maybe i shouldnt it's vibes'. I really do not agree with the idea that this is towny and I do not think this like, gradually dawned on Cook as the conversation progressed or whatever - this especially needs to be seen in the context of her immediately previous conversation with Invisibility. I think the push on italiano was an opportunistic one that was never thought through and I think this looks especially bad in the context of the rest of her play.

do you

not

apply pressure to people after they slip up? i barely remember that previous conversation anyhow.

Re; her approach to me, as I said I still don't really feel like the 'i want you to be town for better scumhunting' was genuine; I don't think I displayed anything that would really make me in particular feel like a good player from Cook at the time and she doesn't treat my push like she thinks it's reasonable or understandable. It feels more like a soft buddying attempt. Similarly when she said she was getting a better vibe from me, it was immediately after I questioned italiano on his Cook vote - which like, it's possible that it was a coincidence or that improved my vibes to cook, but I think it's +scum given that it feels like it could be strategically timed to encourage me to like pivot away from her (which is like pretty common for people to do with early scumreads, i do that a lot, I just happen to think in this game cook has been scummy throughout and that hasn't really changed for me)

i really don't get where all this "X is trying to get me to pivot off of Cook" is coming from. let it be known that i do not have a pt with anyone else in this game. i'm not collaborating, i'm not buddying, i'm trying to help town win and i can't do that while you're holding me at gunpoint.

[Cook]

black are you trying to buddy me

If I was I wouldn't be doing a very good job. I have you as a null read

fair enough

still could be though

Where are you getting this impression from?

i don't know sometimes i just say things. you're smart. you can ignore them

[Cook]

pagetop

i am getting genuinely tired of getting scumread every damn game

vc when

[Cook]

black are you trying to buddy me

If I was I wouldn't be doing a very good job. I have you as a null read

fair enough

still could be though

Where are you getting this impression from?

i don't know sometimes i just say things. you're smart. you can ignore them

I don't want to ignore them. I want you to elaborate so I can determine if this is an actual thought you're having

What makes you think I'm buddying you?

other people are SRing me. you aren't.

you're coming to my defense.

why

[Cook]

i'm making mistake after mistake after mistake and i cannot see a reason why someone would think i'm town except feeling bad

[Cook]

Asri I hope you feel really dumb after my flip

uh oh

[Cook]

something's wrong, I can feel it

uh oh

are you all thinking what i'm thinking

[Cook]

asri what the fuck

[Cook]

My vote is permalocked onto Asri until they're out tbh because they are like, actively harmful to the cohesion of the game beyond just being a prick at this point.

i agree with you on the policy

[Cook]

my mental health gets worse every time i sign up for a mafia game. i will never learn from my mistakes

SAME. SAME.

wanna comod something later

[Cook]

No shot we policy lim D1

are you saying we

shouldn't

or that you think it's crazy that we might

[Cook]

If we policy lim asri we will all be haunted by the el nino effect

oh no, i can't wait for wonky winters in america

VOTE: asri

[Cook]

VOTE: Cook

You really want to die more than Italiano lol. This one is nothing but obliging.

werent you

already

voting me

[Cook]

Also this one made a genuine scumread vote BEFORE Asri went and truly tipped the scales into making negative sense, so...

Not genuine.

You're scum with Cook.

oh PLEASE as

if

you're flailing

[Cook]

we don't actually have to get rid of asri fwiw i'm open to other eliminations

asri is NOT helping their case though

[Cook]

what's a tinfoil

[Cook]

i can't even tell what's real anymore

welcome back something_smart

[Cook]

i don't mean to derail, but i'd like to approach this from the opposite direction:

who do we generally think is town

[Cook]

i don't mean to derail, but i'd like to approach this from the opposite direction:

who do we generally think is town

me

Tbh i'm not sure if a poe on d1 is the most effective strategy but I'd like to see what you have in mind

today feels like it's been going on forever

excuse me for playing it like it's a later day, please?

[Cook]

[Cook]

sure i'll second that

[Cook]

curious take

[Cook]

curious take

That's it?

i mean i haven't been thinking about s_s much this game. been a little occupied defending my slot

[Cook]

why play the game when you could get in complicated tangents that have nothing to do with solving

[Cook]

this was a half-joking question asking you why you were wasting time answering my shitposts

Well, it might help people understand me to explain that my limiting factor is certainly not time-- I have plenty of time, and those responses didn't take much time. It's really just brainpower/attention, it's hard for me to devote more than a certain amount of that, especially when I know it will be for little reward.

If you want to see more solving from me, the best way is to engage me on particular topics of interest. That way I can be sure someone will actually care about what I say.

what did you/do you have to say about black's read of you?

[Cook]

why play the game when you could get in complicated tangents that have nothing to do with solving

you could also just awkwardly orbit the game after getting your soul drained by it like me

i mean i could do that too but then i'd get voted out

[Cook]

(i'd rather not die right away. this is my first game back. that would've been a waste of ten days of my time)

[Cook]

tagepop

[Cook]

curious take

That's it?

i mean i haven't been thinking about s_s much this game. been a little occupied defending my slot

do you have thoughts now

null-scumlean tbh

i can't read s_s very well but there's a lot of brief declarative statements and using theory at least early on. which could mean anything. also the inactivity but isn't s_s really inactive on the weekends?

clearly s_s takes the time to read the thread though. so that could also point to tactical lurking?

i dunno. unless consensus says "vote here" i don't want to lim here. i want to lim a talker

[Cook]

or more specifically what are you hoping to get that you wouldn't already get out of the conversation between Black and S_S

a nice summary because i am sometimes Low Effort

also because if someone summarizes something it tells me what's important to them, or, more importantly, what they

want

me to see as important

now we're getting into wifom shit. this is where convoluted arguments happen and interaction is generated. and you know what interaction generates?

wagons

[Cook]

could mean a number of things

it could be the end of the day

i was once in a game where we legitimately hammered someone within hours of the thread opening on d1

at least

i think that happened

[Cook]

games slow down is the point

[Cook]

dunno if i wanna toss out hu tao. let me iso to see if-

[Cook]

wow. there really is nothing there huh

[Cook]

hu tao you stand accused of a lack of content. how do you plead

[Cook]

cook you are voting asri

can you answer please whether you think asri is scum or if this is a policy vote

and if you do think they're scum then why

and if it is a policy vote can you like not, and vote a scumread instead

oh yeah no it's policy right now

UNVOTE: asri because fire said so

[Cook]

hu tao you stand accused of a lack of content. how do you plead

Judge someone not by the lack of the content but the content of their posts

ok

VOTE: hu tao

[Cook]

let's see how you like getting scrutinized

[Cook]

never saw a pagetop i didn't wanna steal huh

[Cook]

SS can lurk his way to D2 I guess

I think we should go here

VOTE: Cook

i disagree, i'm sure i'll be much more interesting tomorrow

[Cook]

never saw a pagetop i didn't wanna steal huh

If you could personally choose who we lim today, who would it be?

reading through to reconfirm who

[Cook]

never saw a pagetop i didn't wanna steal huh

If you could personally choose who we lim today, who would it be?

reading through to reconfirm who

PAGE ONE TO PAGE TWENTY FIVE

Spoiler: stream of consciousness

italiano crumbed power role
ausuka crumbed vanilla... and then retracts it?

the game does NOT get serious until page 4
"town vibes" makes me feel weird but good about italiano

i really fucked up handling a wagon huh

iamvh is worried about nothing on page 6
ausuka followed fire's vote on page 6. i mean i follow votes too. but that feels opportunistic possibly.

hpe retracting the vote is a... it's a move.

why did asri vote ausuka page 7

hpe feels like maybe they're trying to pocket me from page 7?

invis also seemed to like me on page 8? that interaction was good with me imo

S_S had nothing of substance to say.

hu tao sounds almost upset at bottom of page 8

KKFC is playing like a newbie. don't worry too much about it.

Black puts forth a lot of content. still don't know where that slot goes.

T3... page 9? huh?

ausuka seems utterly shocked at my bracket in 183 of {katykimfanclub, ausuka, and fireisredsir}. did i solve?
- well, no, because i have to give a pass to KKFC. also, because that includes rvs votes i think...?

asri does not react well under pressure. take that as you will.

hu tao still saying nothing on page 11 and continuing to say nothing throughout the game. i know i said "toss out a talker" but...

iamvh pockets on page 12. italiano confuses me there too.

page 15. genuinely cannot read italiano there.

asri teroka's 376: "This one is town but don't really know if you should trust them. If you're also town just help this one push scum and not town basically." i'm confused.

wondering, AGAIN, why iamvh would insist they're conftown on page 17. is he being spurred on by italiano's shenanigans?

invis's vote on me is i guess justified but whatever i don't like votes on me blah blah.

why are black and ausuka suddenly fighting on 21?

fire's wall on 21 about hpe exists. i don't have thoughts on it.

s_s doesn't like the italiano wagon. i bet there's analysis to do on who thinks what about the fakeclaim and how that splits the game

iamvh on #550:
good luck solving my slot lol
I either claim, or you know my role from my flip
... what's happening?

italiano never really explained the vote on page 23 aside from "happy and cook might be partners"

my 579. wow i uh i just have bad takes sometimes huh

t3's black vote came out of nowhere.

conclusions are from this first half:

hu tao

is not contributing to this game and should go.

iamveryhappy

confuses me and should go.

black

should shut up and stop pushing me, you're going to get reread really closely to make sure that i'm not missing something

something_smart

doesn't make me feel good.

t3

confuses me

so yeah either hu tao or iamvh according to the first half. i'll read the second half later and then tell you how i feel about it

[Cook]

what's the logic on the t3 wagon again

[Cook]

VOTE: Cook lol

really bad idea and this is a scummy vote…

[Cook]

At this point i'm probably just waiting for cook to claim lole

fine

1-shot bulletproof rolecop

do you SEE why it’s a bad idea

[Cook]

do not be the town that eliminates your fucking rolecop

[Cook]

day one

[Cook]

At this point i'm probably just waiting for cook to claim lole

fine

1-shot bulletproof rolecop

do you SEE why it’s a bad idea

Is that 1-shot bulletproof ungated rolecop, 1-shot rolecop ungated bulletproof, or 1-shot bulletproof 1-shot rolecop?

i survive one nightkill, and i can check people at night to see their role (but not alignment)

[Cook]

Ok but also rolecop kind of sucks as a town role anyways

VOTE: cook

[Cook]

if someone's gonna hammer please declare intent first

[Cook]

i thought 3 scum was common in a 13p

[Cook]

I even have a 14p game that has a 3v11 setup, this should be 3v10
on prs here I do agree the cook pr seems a bit too op, should be balanced by making other prs weaker
how many prs do we have here is the real question
I'm guessing three
how do I know this
I make setups and am p good at them

part of the reason i called BS on italiano's claim

like look there in the future

[Cook]

I even have a 14p game that has a 3v11 setup, this should be 3v10
on prs here I do agree the cook pr seems a bit too op, should be balanced by making other prs weaker
how many prs do we have here is the real question
I'm guessing three
how do I know this
I make setups and am p good at them

part of the reason i called BS on italiano's claim

like look there in the future

Wait you thought it was 10/3 but 1-shot bulletproof Rolecop + 2x Masons would make the game unbalanced? Masons should have been possible from your point of view, it'd only be nonsense in 11/2 (And even then it could work depending on Mafia PRs)

-Nameless

that's two townies who can communicate plus a rolecop who doesn't need a prot role to stay alive, right?

[Cook]

that's two townies who can communicate plus a rolecop who doesn't need a prot role to stay alive, right?

Yeah, that's roughly balanced for 10/3 with either full Goon (So that you're mostly useless if it's

only

you + Masons) or Roleblocker/1-shot Strongman (So that mafia can deal with you claiming)

-Nameless

i mean they might as well have a strongman

[Cook]

oh you haven't read that far back probably, nameless, but

"defensive" is a bit of a weird read of that post

agree and

i think that maybe my wagon knows something about me

i felt like mafia might be informed of my existence because of how strong i am

[Cook]

VOTE: t3

literally ANYTHING other than me

please

please

[Cook]

also i should be at 6 votes not 5 in the votecount if all of those people are voting me

@Mod

[Cook]

spare me at least one day i'll post my result and maybe i hit something interesting

this has been a shitshow of a first game back anyhow. i get scumread for playing the game normally. i'm run up to e-2 in rvs. i just seem to be a vote magnet no matter what game i'm playing

[Cook]

should just open every game i play with a disclaimer:

You will find me extremely scummy for no apparent reason. Whenever reading me, assume "scumread" is actually "null". You'll waste less of your time, and you'll waste less of my time. Thanks.

[Cook]

Also design-wise even if town 1-shot bp rolecop can be balanced how would you even get to the idea of it instead of something more normal? Like you'd start with

Town Rolecop

9x Vanilla Town

3x Mafia Goon

Then you have to give the Rolecop a scummy role to find so maybe Roleblocker or Ninja

Town Rolecop

9x Vanilla Town

Mafia Ninja

2x Mafia Goon

So to make the Ninja do stuff we'd then add a Watcher or Tracker

Town Rolecop

Town Tracker

8x Vanilla Town

Mafia Ninja

2x Mafia Goon

From here I don't see the logical progression to making the Rolecop 1-shot BP. There's no role or modifier there that makes me go "Oh yeah then make the rolecop 1-shot BP to make the setup make sense"

-Nameless

frankly i don't know and i don't care

i am once again reiterating

you are making a mistake

[Cook]

i'm on board for a happy lim

[Cook]

i'm on board for a happy lim

Of course you are you survivalistic person

i hardly think dying is an excuse for living

[Cook]

i'm seeing a good point being raised: let's sort this game by "people who want me dead" and "people who trust my claim" and then when i flip town either today or tomorrow then you'll have somewhere to start

[Cook]

pagetop

[Cook]

k

[Cook]

VOTE: italianovd

[Cook]

[Cook]

after considering the evidence

VOTE: ausuka

i can actually check these claims

[Cook]

scum knows i'm not on their side, therefore they can reasonably expect my claim to be real. therefore they know they are completely and utterly screwed if checked by said rolecop, and that they cannot get rid of the rolecop except by shooting twice or by getting me miseliminated

and so they could trueclaim to try to call bs by making their (scum) claims seem townier than me

i think it makes pretty good sense why we saw two claims right after

[Cook]

not that this is at all a likely scenario but just imagine that mafia just so happened to get all three town pr's to claim and then each hard guarded one of them

[Cook]

yeah i really don't like flower in this game

really really really don't like flower

but that's not the focus of today. that should be the focus of a vig shot

[Cook]

Fire's focus on something as insignificant as me trusting Flower or not feels like a fabricated distraction from the Ausuka wagon. The two of them showed up to casually nudge the IVD wagon as soon as the Ausuka wagon gained speed

Stay the course, folks. Don't be distracted

not gonna move

but what if ausuka flips green

do you go next or something

[Cook]

okay i'm back WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

[Cook]

i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

[Cook]

i'd rather hu than me but jesus

christ

is flower looking scummy right now

VOTE: hu tao

what do you find scummy about Flower's vote?

what i'm finding scummy about flower is that from the moment they replaced in they pretty much locked in on me, and then after my claim and after hearing all the deliberation regarding

why

it's a bad idea to toss me out specifically today,

especially

right after two other PR claims show up, Flower locks in trying to get me out today.

what i'm now thinking is that scum weren't informed. they never were. but they saw an opportunity to try to kill a flailer and pushed the narrative such that the focus of discussion was me, and not one of their partners. look back and see if anyone is consistently pressured before i get brought back up as a person.

once i claimed, that was the icing on the cake. "an unkillable investigative that doesn't let us fake pr claim (or maybe who would find out a really scummy role on our team) who looks extremely sus? we HAVE to get this out in broad daylight". so that, narrative-wise, makes a lot of sense when the line being taken is "cook got a scummy role. cook is a scummy player. run up cook on a wagon. cook claims scummy role. ez mislim and now we have the advantage."

[Cook]

We have less than three hours left, is now really the time for the Eiralox Show?

Are people willing to vote hu tao over no elim or not?

could scum try to be stalling for a nolim

[Cook]

are we at the point of the day where we just need to lim somebody

possibly

[Cook]

scum will shoot, if theres a vig they'll shoot, if i get a result on something i'll post it, and if italiano survives he'll post result too

we'll have a lot of information to run off of

[Cook]

surely this won't go wrong

[Cook]

what’s the votecount

[Cook]

intent to hammer on ausuka

if nobody else votes hu tao

[Cook]

okay screw it

VOTE: ausuka

sparks fly someone dies

someone hammer if this isn’t

[Cook]

WHERE VOTE??

[Cook]

alright, i listened to everyone’s feedback and all and decided to rolecop black. she’s tracker

i figure if ausuka isn’t lying then it’s productive to try to find a watcher, and yall would never trust me again if i checked italiano cause of scumteams or something i forget what flower said exactly

as for that last minute vote switch i was phoneposting and everytime i went to post it would keep showing “hey review your fucking post before you post it” so that vote swirch was supposed to happen a LOT earlier than it did

all in all just really miscommunicated and poorly thought out trying to track the thread from my phone

also if i’m guessing right, there’s no protective role, so watcher shouldn’t out necessarily

if i am not run up immediately for poor nightplay then i don’t know what’s up

[Cook]

watch me flip green. i hard trust black now

[Cook]

oh and one last thing i LIED about the bp

i’m ascetic. the bp call was so that i didn’t get obliterated n1. i had to play scummy town so that mafia wouldn’t shoot me for townleading, because i could not get protted

[Cook]

VOTE: flower

oh my god you’re deathtunnelling

[Cook]

no sk in minis

has to be a vig

[Cook]

vig better not claim lmao

[Cook]

italiano is so BSing too

[Cook]

there’s genuinely no way that there’s five town pr’s in this setup

[Cook]

town ascet rolecop
town backup watcher
town watcher
town tracker
town odd night neap
town vig with some sort of gatekeep

like this is NOT possible

[Cook]

hey what if the watcher is scumside

[Cook]

alright, i listened to everyone’s feedback and all and decided to rolecop black. she’s tracker

I don't know if revealing my role right away was the best play but I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just not a fan of being outed like this

We still kill Cook here since she's scum Rolecop, Black since you're outed can you fullclaim?

I think I'd like to keep my result secret for now. I'll reveal it before the day ends just in case I'm the N2 target

yeah maybe should have thought that through a little more

my b

[Cook]

i’m ascetic. the bp call was so that i didn’t get obliterated n1. i had to play scummy town so that mafia wouldn’t shoot me for townleading, because i could not get protted

so you basically knew ausuka's claim was true and italiano's false and you didn't feel like saying anything?

how would i have known italiano was false…?

[Cook]

is this setup spec again

[Cook]

i really should not be trusted with town pr lmao

[Cook]

yeah okay fair

anyhow uhh

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ItalianoVD

bullshit you’re neapolitan

[Cook]

i really should not be trusted with town pr lmao

If you're aware that you aren't this adept with mechanics, you shouldn't be fakeclaiming.

the alternative was getting nk’d

[Cook]

net negative for town

[Cook]

man it’s gonna look so so bad when i flip green

[Cook]

Also why are you assuming the watcher is ungated?

If the Watcher is gated then killing them increases Town power which would be pretty weird

-

Why are you assuming Cook is fake and Italiano is real?

Already explained how Cook voting Ausuka d1 outs her as scum but in the town!Cook/scum!Italiano scenario the setup imbalance gets even worse

-Nameless

i already explained how my ausuka vote was a miscommunication you’re finding reasons to deathtunnel me

like if i were vig i would have shot you on suspicion of being a condemner in any other game

[Cook]

reasoning for faking 1sbp?

[Cook]

i was committing to it. those were in fact plain lies. if mafia knew what i really was they would have killed me on the spot. but this was before mafia did nk's. i had no way of knowing if they were actually informed or not

[Cook]

again i really think you're searching for reasons to get me killed

[Cook]

reasoning for faking 1sbp?

Yes.

I could have maybe understood simply claiming rolecop without any modifiers. But the 1sbp is inherently suspicious because it gives an excuse for why you aren't dying, and it screws up setup speculation.

specifically here's what went through my head:
"oh! i'm ascetic. that means that i can't be protected. thus i will get nightkilled if i have to claim. so i almost need to play scummy town so that i avoid getting killed by mafia at least for one day. i will claim 1-shot bulletproof, because then that won't waste a protective trying to prot me if i claim, since they won't do anything vis a vis my asceticism. this will also keep the mafia off of me, since i will be a useless kill. perfect. i will fake this and then clear things up later."

[Cook]

damn, mod sniped 2000

pretend i have FoS pointed at both flower and italiano

honestly could be a scumteam

[Cook]

this is scum pushing me tbh

[Cook]

like i’m going to flip green and you know it

[Cook]

i’ve already said everything i can do and ruined the game (so it seems) for my team

[Cook]

i uh

i have no way of “enforcing revenge” so to speak

[Cook]

i’m not mafia and i’m not vig

ergo

no way to kill

[Cook]

ergo

no revenge

[Cook]

i’m calling it as either 2-shot or simple

[Cook]

potential solve: flower/italiano/iamvh

[Cook]

hmm

so t3?

[Cook]

i don't see it yet, someone'd have to make a case

[Cook]

dumping thoughts and abandoning ship?

[Cook]

not really that relevant of thoughts from 30 pages ago and only making it through 9/30 pages

ah

[Cook]

Power supply died so this is pretty much just a prodge. Since it's 7/3 with 6 votes to lim and Black's sheeping fire, fire's a priority pocket right now if both are town. If scum decide to close ranks and go for a powerwolf sweep in that scenario the only way for town to win through the pocket is with the vig and considering they're likely 1-shot it's not something I want to rely on.

Fire what's your take on Cook through a dayplay lens? I don't trust S_S's mech

-A

opinion of you is changing... hm

[Cook]

i still think that if backup watcher and ascet rolecop are on townside that a third investigative (italiano) can't exist

[Cook]

and now we wrap back around to the idea that there is no watcher on townside

[Cook]

or maybe this entire setup was about giving town as many scummy PRs as possible