Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[sheepsaysmeep]

Day 1 Votecount 5

Cook (3):

Ausuka, Invisibility, ItalianoVD

ItalianoVD (2):

Cook, iamveryhappy

iamveryhappy (2):

KatyKimFanClub, Arsi Teroka

Invisibility (1):

Black

HighPrincessErinys (1):

fireisredsir

Not Voting (4):

T3, Something_Smart, Hu Tao, HighPrincessErinys

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

There are (expired on 2023-06-20 13:00:00) remaining.

[Cook]

gonna be honest i'm liking iamveryhappy less and less as the day goes on

[Ausuka]

420 makes me think happy and Cook could be partners or happy is town

I think for now I’m voting VOTE: Cook.

Can you elaborate on your read on Cook? I could maybe get how that post could make you think cook and happy could be partners, although I'd like elaboration on that too, but how does it make Cook scum independently of happy?

[Cook]

also ausuka i think i was wrong about you. throwing you in the townbucket for today.

[Cook]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

[iamveryhappy]

hell nah
why is cook liking me less and less
not cool

[fireisredsir]

also ausuka i think i was wrong about you. throwing you in the townbucket for today.

what changed your mind?

[iamveryhappy]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

[Invisibility]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

what do you mean? What else would Italiano do there?

[fireisredsir]

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

[Black]

Alright, here's my IVD ISO

Mambo Italianoooooo

19 - "I am very happy too" ...why? Because you rolled scum? This is NAI but if IVD is scum then this would be funny
#20-#24 are meaningless greetings to other players
27 - IVD asking happy what he wants to talk about. Nothing here
35 - you forgot to include "rolled scum" here btw
More fluffy posts here
88 - this feels like a joke vote on T3, so not much here
89 - I like IVD calling Invis out here because her TR did feel weird and was part of the reason I voted her early. I'm curious to see where this goes because I know that IVD strongly townreads Invis, so this comment must not have made the same scummy impression it did for me
94 - not a big fan of "hope we are both town this game" but it's NAI
97 - asking Ausuka if her vote was serious. Kinda seems like busy work
98 - Invis follows up to #89 by just saying "yes", and IVD just says "I want town vibes." I'm not sure why IVD didn't question Invis' townread further here? I don't like this
102 - tells Ausuka it's too early to ask for elaboration so he wants to let it marinate. Idk what this means? I don't think it's ever too early to ask. You may not get an answer but that's beside the point
107 - IVD speaking for Invis here and giving a reason for her vote
124 - admitting Fire got townread by Invis for almost nothing. I think town!IVD would question this townread more
Invisibility defends IVD in 122 and IVD agrees with her in 128. I'm not liking 128 really. It reads as "yeah, I wouldn't do this as scum"
133 - IVD seems to want to take on happy here
150 - "obviously I wouldn't want it to get pushed through if you're town" ...this feels yucky. Why even say this? Other than that I do agree with this post fundamentally
I also like 213 and 214 regarding the Cook wagon
215 - IVD quotes four people (Invis, Cook, Asri, and HPE) and says that one of them is scum. This feels weird because it's a literal echo of what I said 5 minutes before in 211. This isn't really an original thought
217 - he votes Asri here and says that Invis and HPE are town because of their town. He says "especially Invis". This just feels so pockety considering the upcoming mason thingy. I have an issue with this read because I don't think Invis' tone is townie at all. Obviously we could just be having a difference of opinion here but the read still just feels forced
271 - he votes Asri again here which is weird, but maybe he just forgot he was already voting them? I think I like IVD's thought process here but it's definitely a perspective scum could have
277 - this feels like a busywork question to Cook
362 - unvoting Asri here feels weird. To me it reads as if IVD is backing off of a wagon that didn't gain any traction. But what I don't like is he doesn't seem interested in pursuing his thought process from #215 above. If he thinks there's scum in that 4, why would he then not turn to pressure Cook here?
365 - this is the mason buddy comment. I don't like it
394 - I think I agree with the premise of this post but again, I don't think trusting Invis here out of everyone makes a lot of sense from a town perspective
396 - I actually agree with this
531 - IVD apologizes for not being here in 9 hours? This seems like he's worried about his optics, which isn't necessarily scummy, but it's an observation I've made
567 - I'm not liking this explanation as to why IVD fake masonclaimed. "An overexaggerated way of saying I really townread them." Yeah, I'm not really buying this. I actually like the Cook vote here though


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tl;dr - I was kinda hoping to get a better idea of where I stand with this slot. I feel it in my gut that I'm scumreading him though because I found myself thinking a lot of this ISO comes from a malicious perspective as I was reading through it

I think I'm ok pressuring here right now

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[iamveryhappy]

someone should iso me
have fun

[Cook]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

not that it makes him townier to me

, but that the play was made to

try to regain towncred

hope this helps

[Cook]

also ausuka i think i was wrong about you. throwing you in the townbucket for today.

what changed your mind?

i'm feeling like her content has either improved or i'm seeing her with less red-tinted glasses

in either case... i dunno. i trust a bit more.

[Cook]

still lowkey hate that wagon on me

[Invisibility]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

not that it makes him townier to me

, but that the play was made to

try to regain towncred

hope this helps

as in Italiano claimed mason to gain towncred or retracted the claim to gain towncred?

[Cook]

i'm still not totally convinced on italiano, but the claim walkback is a face-saver in my book

really hate this post
like
the u-turn is really the thing that makes it worse
"I did it to show how much invis is town or smth"
why can't you just do it the normal way and NOT claim mason in the first place

ill let cook respond but that isn't how i interpreted that post

not that it makes him townier to me

, but that the play was made to

try to regain towncred

hope this helps

as in Italiano claimed mason to gain towncred or retracted the claim to gain towncred?

retracted it, after you disproved it

[fireisredsir]

that is what i thought you meant

i do agree with invisible tho that retracting it was kinda obviously his only option (and regardless of alignment he knew that was going to be the end result when he said it) so im not sure how it would save face

i think it's a weird thing to do in general but taking it back seems like it was always going to happen, no?

[Invisibility]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

[Cook]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

[Black]

I think one of Invisibility/IVD might be scum but definitely not both

[Ausuka]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

I mean, I am too, but why is your conclusion from it that it's scummy for italiano

[Ausuka]

I think invisibility is probably just town. I'm less sure about italiano - I think the reasons most people are scumreading him, like the mason claim or whatever, don't make much sense, but like he isn't super towny either

[Cook]

retracted it, after you disproved it

again, what else would Italiano do in this situation? Seems kinda obvious that Italiano would retract the claim after it was disproven cuz otherwise he would be megadead. I don't know how it gains towncred other than being the choice that doesn't get him dead immediately and so I don't see why that was even worth mentioning

pedit: yes what Fire said

i'm just bamboozled why you would fakeclaim masons with someone who isn't even your scumpartner unless you're, say

trying to deliberately distance

but i don't think that's what's happening here

I mean, I am too, but why is your conclusion from it that it's scummy for italiano

you are what

[Ausuka]

I'm bamboozled with the idea scum italiano would claim masons as a gambit with someone who had been vocally scumreading him as if he expects him to go along with it