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I hereby understand and /confirm my role.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Vote: Atlasfor not putting my city on the map.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That rings vaguely familiar too. Maybe I'm thinking Kevin McCallister from Home Alone?Cephrir wrote:Vote: MacavityLock. Hmm, I feel like I've heard that name before... >.>STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Fixed.StrangerCoug wrote:
That rings vaguely familiarCephrir wrote:Vote: MacavityLock. Hmm, I feel like I've heard that name before... >.>to metoo. Maybe I'm thinking Kevin McCallister from Home Alone?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Well so it is...
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Well, something has to happen to get the ball rolling, I can tell you that. For the first one, we cannot clear the person that did the scummy action just because the person is new (that's called the newbie card). As for somebody doing something on purpose, I've done that once before and nearly got my head ripped off for it, but it sure got reactions going, which was clearly what I intended to do with it.Atlas wrote:Days I read commonly kick off from someone doing something scummy, or a player jumping on the smallest of actions. The former is misguided because it usually occurs when a newbie that doesn't know better stumbles, or the player just does this on purpose to start the day or set an obvious scum trap. As for the latter, I deeply despise it because the eager paranoid does not find those actions scummy at all, and will most likely generate a discussion based on false/exaggerated premises and opinions. The paranoid also unfairly earns suspicious for being "jumpy" and is labeled as scum trying to lynch a townie based on nothing, which is almost never the case (...).
How does everyone else feel about this?
Jumping on the smallest of actions is also known as jumping at shadows and warrants a vote on the person doing it.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Would you like to explain?Evilgorrilaz wrote:Vote: CorvuusSTRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Unvote: Atlasfor refusing to explain his vote on Corvuus.
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I couldn't tell whether Evilgorillaz's vote was random or not. There are scummier actions than voting without an explanation, yes, even than refusing to explain your vote. I am also fully aware that Evilgorillaz may or may not be today's lynch. We do not have just one Mafia member. In my experience, three is the most common in a mini, though I've also seen and heard of two (not on their own, however—some of those two-player teams had traitors working for them, some were playing against another two-player Mafia team).Atlas wrote:
I was referring to jumping on meaningless actions in the first couple of pages. If this is what you also meant, then I hugely disagree. Calling everything suspicious in the RVS is more of a null-tell to me, because I don't see mafia gaining anything from it (unless the town is stupid enough to lynch based on such a weak case.) #42 is a clear example of such... I don't see EvilGorrilaz any more likely to be mafia with his vote. Clearly it's not pro-town to vote without explained reason, but I don't see him pushing any malicious agendas with it.StrangerCoug wrote:Jumping on the smallest of actions is also known as jumping at shadows and warrants a vote on the person doing it.
Where did I say or imply anything along the lines of calling everything in random voting suspicious?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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It's a normal, so most likely no.Atlas wrote:Just wondering; are post restrictions possible in this Mini?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Going after an easy target, now aren't you?Cephrir wrote:Unvote, Vote: Evilgorrilaz
I found a scum! All aboard!
Unvote: Evilgorillazfor mindless bandwagoning.
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Now!Cephrir wrote:
Later!MiteyMouse wrote:
Reasoning please!Cephrir wrote:Unvote, Vote: Evilgorrilaz
I found a scum! All aboard!STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK, this is getting cheap. Both Evilgorrilaz and Cephrir are acting scummy at this moment.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I honestly wish we were. Of my three votes in this game so far, two have been serious. I wish everybody would wake up, snap into reality, and look at Evilgorillaz and Cephrir.Apothecary wrote:Sorry for not being here for a while.
Are we past random voting?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Just to get rid of the quote pyramid...MiteyMouse wrote:Did I say something wrong?
I really don't think so given I voted Cephrir for mindlessly bandwagoning and the same post that contains my vote accuses Cephrir of going after an easy target, but I'm not the one being asked the question. I'mTRYINGto get the town on the right track, but almost everyone is going off on a tangent. We accomplish nothing in doing so.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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So somehow or other, accord to Primate, I am a convenience store robber. And this is relevant to a game of Mafia because?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Fixed.StrangerCoug wrote:So somehow or other, accordingto Primate, I am a convenience store robber.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The fact that very few people seemed to care to scumhunt yet. I'm looking at Primate right now.Atlas wrote:
What made you think that we weren't?StrangerCoug wrote:I honestly wish we were [out of the RVS].
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One of the people I was talking about there was you.Evilgorrilaz wrote:
o_OStrangerCoug wrote: The fact that very few people seemed to care to scumhunt yet. I'm looking at Primate right now.FoS: StrangerCoug
Bad vibes.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Be very careful with that. That doesn't usually bode well.Zeppo007 wrote:I meant to point out the bandwagoning only and got a little overambitious.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I was referring to your #37 and #39, which were the reasons for my first serious vote. The only two things your next post, #59, do are call MiteyMouse a copycat and vote him, though I do see somewhat of a case on him. I don't know what you're referencing.Evilgorrilaz wrote:
Pointing out the obvious is scumhunting?StrangerCoug wrote: One of the people I was talking about there was you.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I agree with you here. We have to wait until Night 1 to get a idea of how many groups we're dealing with.Corvuus wrote:I don't think it helps us to speculate on setup and such until after we get a few dead bodies to see what role/flavor there really is. Otherwise it is a mod WIFOM isn't it?
Assuming we have no doctors or roleblockers:
One person dies Night 1 = just the one Mafia
Two people die Night 1 = Mafia/Mafia, Mafia/SK, or Mafia/Vig
Three people die Night 1 = Most likely Mafia/SK/Vig, though Mafia/Mafia/Vig isn't too far-fetched an idea. Mafia/Mafia/SK is unlikely in a mini normal.
Simply speaking, we don't know what groups we're dealing with simply because we're all alive. We shouldn't be outguessing the mod, and anybody already trying to do so on page four should be viewed as suspicious for knowing more about the setup than the town should.
I agree with what Atlas is saying as well.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Be careful, MiteyMouse—as well as that works, there are no universal rules to scumhunting.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I don't associate post restrictions with mini normals, nor do I think the pictures in and of themselves warrant a vote. If Primate is allowed to speak in words, I'd rather he do so, but his actions are not per se scummy.Cephrir wrote:@Primate voters: even if Primate is faking a PR, I don't think it's scummy. Antitown, perhaps, but not scummy. And I'm far from positive that he's making it up anyway.
Now, if he can't post words but he's allowed to post rebuses, then I can see him communicating.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I don't get this post. One, Primate is voting, and the mod has counted his vote on me when he typed it in words. Two, if you think Primate is merely anti-town instead of scummy, then why are you voting him? Three, why are you viewing Primate as a liability to the town that needs to be disposed of?Corvuus wrote:I didn't say Primate's voluntary PR is scummy, I said it was anti-town.
i.e. it doesn't give us info or help the town overall.
I can't get a read on a 'picture' in order to determine what he is thinking/saying, etc. and how can he contribute to a real discussion with only pictures/smilies?
I mean, for all of you I could do a PBPA at some point but for him, if I click on his name now it is a bunch of pictures or a dancing smiling thing. He doesn't even have a random vote! The only word he has spoken is /confirm at the beginning!
So I think that at the very LEAST he can type "Vote: Insert name" to show that he can at least contribute that. But if he doesn't vote, then that is so glaring anti-town that we pretty much would have to get rid of him just to move on.
So yeah, I don't think he is scum; but until he types a word/vote I am voting for him (or if someone scummier appears).
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Posts #127 and #128 make quite a bit of sense to me, so I think I've figured him out.MacavityLock wrote:Personally, I think that Primate's being pretty clear with his posts. Sure, he's having some fun, and not being as informative as he could be, but I'm pretty well following what he's saying.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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We're past it now. A lot of the current cases have something or other to do with Primate.Apothecary wrote:Sorry I've been off for too long.
Are we past Random Voting, or are we working with tangible evidence?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Your response doesn't answer my third question, Corvuus. You wrote this:
I wrote this in response:Corvuus wrote:But if he doesn't vote, then that is so glaring anti-town that we pretty much would have to get rid of him just to move on.
I'll allow whether voting in and of itself is contributing to be debated (I don't think so), but for you to make an untrue statement and then use that statement to push a utility lynch is scummy.StrangerCoug wrote:Three, why are you viewing Primate as a liability to the town that needs to be disposed of?
I have no problem with voting someone who isn't scumhunting, and pressure voting someone who isn't contributing is not scummy in my book. What is wrong, however, is that if this is a post restriction of his as we believe, then voting him to get him to speak in words is useless.StrangerCoug wrote:i am voting him to pressure him to actually say something or unvote/vote. I didn't say he was scum but he is being stubborn, not helping and what is wrong with voting for someone who isn't scumhunting or contributing?
Are you actually reading the thread, or are you skimming? You are pressure voting Primate to get him to do something he either most likely can't do or already did. The "vote: *blank*" is actually a vote on me—in post #76, the line breaks after the word "vote" on a 1024×768 monitor.StrangerCoug wrote:sorry, i don't consider /confirm,
vote: *blank*
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EBWOP: The "vote: *blank*" was actually on Evilgorillaz, not me. I am the person he's currently voting, though.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.
Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.
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It was you and Cephrir for the Primate case (you were pushing a utility lynch, Cephrir was mindlessly bandwagoning), but it's now Zeppo007 and Cephrir. This post is setting me off:Corvuus wrote:SC, why don't you tell us what you think of who is your top two picks for being the most scummy.
You are aware that this is a day start and, even if he had an investigative role, he really wouldn't know yet, right, Zeppo007? Why are you asking him questions about his role?Zeppo007 wrote:I've got a question for Primate. You seem pretty set on StrangerCoug being guilty do you have any extra info as part of Role that would give you this info? If not can you show us some quotes that have given you this high suspicion of Coug?
Unvote: Corvuus
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Not much has changed in terms of Cephrir, and I have seen him play more pro-town than hesitating to explain his votes.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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And it is wrong to call Cephrir out for just going with the flow? Quality ≠ quantity.Corvuus wrote:
SC, You haven't added any real content yourself but just point out what others are doing that 'is wrong'. You also don't take a definite stand on things but just vote/unvote.StrangerCoug wrote:I'm sorry, Corvuus, but I'm not convinced by your case on Primate here.
Cephrir, nice job agreeing with Corvuus and joining the Primate wagon without adding any real content yourself.
FoS: Cephrir
I'm simply against pushing a utility lynch. Town may be "useless", but lynching a useless townie is still a mislynch. I can see how scum might use them to their advantage. I'm also against lazy town, and Huntress has not voiced any objections to his pointing pictures except one where he was insulting you.Corvuus wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:
The fact that very few people seemed to care to scumhunt yet. I'm looking at Primate right now.Atlas wrote:
What made you think that we weren't?StrangerCoug wrote:I honestly wish we were [out of the RVS].
Unvote: Cephrir
You say you care about scumhunting here, but I don't see you trying to scumhunt or do anything contributing at all. You also say you are looking at Primate but you never say why and you start defending him next as well.
Even if I agree with people, I still have my suspects. My vote's out.Corvuus wrote:
I had just said let's not speculate about game setup since it is not helpful and then you... speculated on game setup. You also keep agreeing with people and try to 'coast' or skim by. This is not very good playing either.StrangerCoug wrote:
I agree with you here. We have to wait until Night 1 to get a idea of how many groups we're dealing with.Corvuus wrote:I don't think it helps us to speculate on setup and such until after we get a few dead bodies to see what role/flavor there really is. Otherwise it is a mod WIFOM isn't it?
Assuming we have no doctors or roleblockers:
One person dies Night 1 = just the one Mafia
Two people die Night 1 = Mafia/Mafia, Mafia/SK, or Mafia/Vig
Three people die Night 1 = Most likely Mafia/SK/Vig, though Mafia/Mafia/Vig isn't too far-fetched an idea. Mafia/Mafia/SK is unlikely in a mini normal.
Simply speaking, we don't know what groups we're dealing with simply because we're all alive. We shouldn't be outguessing the mod, and anybody already trying to do so on page four should be viewed as suspicious for knowing more about the setup than the town should.
I agree with what Atlas is saying as well.
OK, I understand that much.Corvuus wrote:
Your questions here are ... frankly... stupid and out of place. You later state that voting to create pressure is legitimate but ask me why I am voting for him if I think he is anti-town. Obviously because I want him to stop being anti-town and post something helpful (which he did).StrangerCoug wrote:
I don't get this post. One, Primate is voting, and the mod has counted his vote on me when he typed it in words. Two, if you think Primate is merely anti-town instead of scummy, then why are you voting him? Three, why are you viewing Primate as a liability to the town that needs to be disposed of?Corvuus wrote:I didn't say Primate's voluntary PR is scummy, I said it was anti-town.
i.e. it doesn't give us info or help the town overall.
I can't get a read on a 'picture' in order to determine what he is thinking/saying, etc. and how can he contribute to a real discussion with only pictures/smilies?
I mean, for all of you I could do a PBPA at some point but for him, if I click on his name now it is a bunch of pictures or a dancing smiling thing. He doesn't even have a random vote! The only word he has spoken is /confirm at the beginning!
So I think that at the very LEAST he can type "Vote: Insert name" to show that he can at least contribute that. But if he doesn't vote, then that is so glaring anti-town that we pretty much would have to get rid of him just to move on.
So yeah, I don't think he is scum; but until he types a word/vote I am voting for him (or if someone scummier appears).
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Quote where I suspect Primate. (My saying "I'm looking at him", "I don't know what to make of him", "his post interest me for some reason", or anything along the lines of those three don't count, by the way. The first one simply means I'm looking at someone's case to see if it makes sense; I don't use the other two as an indication that I have a firm belief that a player is scum.)Corvuus wrote:This fits as both point out the other (since if one of them gets lynched, the other gets semi-cleared) and also why SC flip flops and goes from suspecting Primate to completely unsuspecting him and then defending his "PR" and other actions.
Primate hasn't said anything along the lines of why exactly I'm scummy, but I'm sure he has them.Corvuus wrote:I don't see why a townie would try to defend Primate (at least, let him answer!) and I also don't see why Primate would certainly point you out SC unless you were both scum and he knows and is trying to leverage it into a good future play.
I have attacked them.Corvuus wrote:I thought of your playing style and how you "like to point things out which are easy and wrong" in order to make it seem like you are contributing and that is also a bad style. It also doesn't explain your defense of Primate and refusal to believe my points. If you don't believe them, then why don't you attack them like you try to attack everyone else?
I've cleared you because I feel you have explained yourself adequately. I don't have to approve of a Primate lynch to think you are town.Corvuus wrote:But you don't. You say you don't believe my points, etc. but then you don't think I am scummy and just keep voting after other people.
So I'm somehow supposed to "lock" my vote and ignore other people's defenses. Right.Corvuus wrote:Why would you keep voting for people and then unvoting them? If you have a position or feeling about something then stick with it! Instead, you come off as afraid of gaining attention, being seen as bandwagoning, etc. and just willing to coast and point out others doing things for them to get lynched instead of you.
I've had my vote on you for awhile; in fact, I think I've had it on you the longest for the Primate case. I remember voting four people other than my random vote: Evilgorillaz, Cephrir, you, and Zeppo007, and I believe in that order. Three Mafia is standard in a mini, so I know all four of you can't be, but I fail to see where I'm being wishy-washy with my vote.
Player X voting player Y for scummy action Z, whatever that might be ≠ player X being scum necessarily. For player Y to propose otherwise is OMGUS. Granted, I should have probed Primate for reasoning, but I cannot attack Primate solely because he voted me.Corvuus wrote:I think SC you should have also gone after Primate for marking you as Scum (100% red) instead of just attacking someone else asking why Primate was marking as you scum.
There is no need for me to panic over one or two votes. You have put me at L-4, which is not really a dangerous position in a mini, but being at L-4 does mean that you had best be explaining what you did, and I am doing so right now.Corvuus wrote:Instead you ignore it, which a normal townie wouldn't do since it is basically FoS or voting you, and you also state that you understand all of his pictures and such so you had to understand the ven diagram so I don't see why you aren't against Primate at all but instead going after others.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Taking Corvuus's quotes out of mine.
I think it's already clear that I don't like his bandwagoning and hesitation to give his vote reasons.Corvuus wrote:If Cephrir is scummy to you then build a case on him and go for it. It isn't a issue of quality or quantity. It is an issue of you claiming you want to scumhunt, do stuff, etc. and then not actually doing it.
When did I say that I approve of a utility lynch?Corvuus wrote:This is not a real answer and doesn't explain anything. You can say *now* that you are against a utility lynch but that isn't what you said back then.
You said that you were voting Primate for pressure. He responded, you thus unvoted. I'm fine with pressure votes, which is why I'm dropping that as part of my case on you.Corvuus wrote:Can you elaborate on this? State what you understand, what you think, why, etc.
I asked how my being a convenience store robber is relevant, not why he thinks so.Corvuus wrote:Sadly, it does count.
In a PBPA of you, post #14, you state: "i'm trying to get the town back on track" i.e. scum hunting.
Primate posts his pictures and votes for you. You respond with post #15 on PBPA where you ask if Primate thinks you are a convenience store robber (and he is voting for you). So he is 'scum hunting' in a sense with his PR.
So that's where.Corvuus wrote:In post #17, You state that you are looking at Primate since people aren't scum hunting.
When he HAS voted for you and drawn a picture of you as a 'convenience store robber".
Corvuus wrote:Why didn't you respond to this or care? He basically says you are scum, and then you shrug it off.
I responded with the convenience store robber question, though it is a valid point that I haven't really tackled it any further.
I'll be hanged if I know, considering that I understand your case on him now.Corvuus wrote:You go on to state that you understand his pictures, his pictures are fine, leave him alone, (even though he did vote for you and he does have you marked as 100% scum) so why aren't my points valid?
I am not saying Primate has no evidence of my being scum.Corvuus wrote:Note: you can't say because he has no evidence, etc. since then that proves my point about his posts 'not contributing' in terms of his thinking/analysis, etc. which you state that you don't believe and you understand his posts fine.
I see it worthless to attack a post restriction. I agree that his logic and reason, however, are lacking.Corvuus wrote:Why the inconsistency? If you get his posts, he sees you as scum, then why not bash his PR or his logic or his reasoning? Instead, you just 'ignore' him and move on to other players.
So my point is Valid since you "do mention" Primate (so we can't accuse you later of completely ignoring him) but you pretty much do give him a jail out of free card in terms of his actions, etc.
It'd be nice if his reasons were known, yes.Corvuus wrote:What does this statement mean? You are sure he has them? Then why not ask him to elaborate? Why not ask him to prove his point with his PR or with words, etc. Instead you just let him call you scum, let him vote for you and then say, "I don't know, he has reasons... but yeah, I understand all of his picture posts and Corvuus' going after his PR (which is not voluntary) doesn't make sense".
I have been ignoring Primate for too long.Corvuus wrote:What you did doesn't make sense. You could say, "I didn't think about it, or I didn't think of that" but seriously, you have pointed out 'everything' else that is 'wrong' with everyone else, I don't see why you would ignore Primate who IS voting you and does have picture of you being scum. I wouldn't have accused you of OMGUS if you asked for a better explanation , etc. or thought it was weird that Primate is pointing you out. Instead, you pretty much ignore it and go after ... Zeppo i think as "#1 or #2" on your list for asking Primate questions when really you should be asking Primate questions instead.
I am not going after Zeppo007 for asking Primate why he thinks I am scum, and he is as right as I should be to do so. I am, however, going after Zeppo007 for rolefishing.Corvuus wrote:How does that make sense? You go after Zeppo for asking why Primate thinks you are scum but you don't go after Primate for thinking you are scum?
I have reason to believe that it is real.Corvuus wrote:I don't get the above statement. You need to elaborate and state 100% whether you think Primate's PR is voluntary or real.
I'd still like an explanation on how exactly he concluded that I am scum. When I asked how the convenience store robber is relevant, he referenced the first post.Corvuus wrote:That isn't my point. I would just ask you this. Primate thinks you are scum. What is your defense and what do you say to Primate?
OK, I was being too conservative for my own good.Corvuus wrote:This is an error in logic. Primate isn't voting you for a specific scummy action Z. in fact, he never stated why he is voting for you or why he thinks you are scum which is the entire problem with Picture PR. I get that he thinks you are scum SC but why, how, etc. I don't know.
Now, if Player P(rimate) votes for Player SC for "no reason" as being 100% scum, then Player SC is PERFECTLY fine in saying that it is scummy for Player P to do so. It is like Cephrir voting without giving his reasons which you are QUICK to jump on... but when Primate did the same to you, you ignored him.
No one would have said that it was OMGUS for you to ask for a explanation so that you could actually respond and refute Primate's response.
So YES, you should (and from your actions against other players) would have gone after Primate for solely voting you for no "clearly" stated reason. if you can state Primate's reasons for voting for you here, then state them and refute them.
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- Why do you think I am scum?
- Who else do you think is scum and why?
- What do you think of Corvuus's case on me?
- What's your opinion of Zeppo007?
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What do you mean "accusations"? Hasn't it been established that Primate voted me without a reason?Apothecary wrote:I did find it kind of odd SC didn't try to defend himself from Primate's accusations. But I don't know if that's a sign of a passive scum or a passive townie.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Yes, but note that I quoted the plural. "Accusation" is singular.Atlas wrote:
Primate is accusing you of being scum; thus it is an accusation.StrangerCougar wrote:What do you mean "accusations"? Hasn't it been established that Primate voted me without a reason?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'll mind my own business with the PR discussion bit.
OK, I understand you here. It's established that he thinks I'm scum. Now where on planet Earth is his evidence!?Atlas wrote:Oh, sorry about that. Though technically Primate accused you twice; once as a convenience store robber and the other in his colorful diagram.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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What is your case on MiteyMouse?MacavityLock wrote:MiteyMouse, you, and SC are my top targets right now.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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You want Primate gone that bad!? How is this request pro-town?Cephrir wrote:Don't even send Primate a prod, just replace him. Come on mod, don't be antitown. Replace him even if he keeps posting.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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It'd be nice if he came back. He's made only two posts on site since his last post, one eight hours after his last post here and the other on the 12th. This appears to be his only game, as well.Zeppo007 wrote:- First I really want to see what primate (or his replacement if he doesn't pick up his prod) will post next.
That's what I'm leaning towards as well, and I can see what his argument is.Zeppo007 wrote:- Scondly I'm seeing Corvuus's actions as more over-exuberant town than scummy at this point.
Quoted for truth.Zeppo007 wrote:- Thirdly I don't like Cephrir's post about just replacing primate because he is anti-town. If he doesn't pick up his prod then he should be replaced.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Then stop making fluff posts.Cephrir wrote:I'm beginning to think that people are suspicious of me because they've taken everything I've done this game completely seriously. Don't.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I interpreted those specific pictures as an attack on Corvuus.Atlas wrote:Guys, didn't Primate basically say "I'm avoiding work (posting words) because I'm stubborn" in #127? Doesn't that basically confirm he's making the PR up? Or am I totally misinterpreting his pictures?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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For the 10,000th time, I'm not SG!
I see what LlamaFluff is talking about with page three, especially given my own "this is getting cheap" post there.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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No, but usually a player X guilty of OMGUS against player Y votes after the latter.MacavityLock wrote:
Does a vote have to come right after someone else's vote to be OMGUS?MiteyMouse wrote:I don't consider my vote was immediately after Macivity's vote....we will have to disagree on that one.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If player X commits OMGUS against player Y, he or she generally votes after player Y. I used "the latter" to mean player Y as opposed to player X.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That (and thanks a lot for the insight—it's very useful) and it simply makes no sense to me.Ythill wrote:A few of you (including Corvus) are looking for buddies already. I call such evidence conspiracy theory and I don't like it. It leads to confirmation bias, false conclusions, and mislynches.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why Corvuus and MacavityLock as town?Zeppo007 wrote:I like both Corv and Macavity as Town players at this time and see them as the least suspicious everyone else is pretty much neutral to me at this time.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'm surprised that the post restriction was voluntary, and Ythill's been more pro-town than Primate was.Corvuus wrote:Any comments on Primate/Ythill or anything substantial you wish to contribute?
Zeppo007 is actually still my #1 suspect and current vote for the rolefishing thing already discussed, and I believe Macavity's #318.Corvuus wrote:In particular, I would like to hear your top 3 list and what do you think of Zeppo?
Cephrir is my #2 for reasons already stated, mainly his withholding his reason for voting Evilgorillaz and finally answering by saying he was trying to get us out of the random voting stage (which I don't buy—there are more pro-town ways to go about it).
Apothecary's misrepresenting Cephrir (L-3 vote ≠ quicklynch vote) and his using my actions to make MiteyMouse suspicious make him my #3.
If I don't have anything new to add, I generally don't post. I'm not resigning to my fate; people are already saying what I wanted to say.Corvuus wrote:SC... isn't really responding or defending himself. I don't really get why not either. Maybe it is just mindgames for me to assume so, but if SC defended himself fairly decently and actually did some scumhunting then I could see him getting out of being lynched and if he was town, then he would attempt to do so... instead he is just kind of fluffing around and waiting for himself to die. Either non-helpful townie or scum resigned to his fate.... either way, I figure he would say or do something unless him saying more could be harmful to his 'team'.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Sorry. Missed it.Atlas wrote:
SC, that was directed at you.Atlas wrote:Earlier you said "I don't associate post restrictions with mini normals." Can you explain this?
Post restrictions are rare if even existent in mini normals, which is why I said that. For awhile, I bought the exception, and I was surprised to see Ythill posting normally when he replaced in. I don't remember saying that Primate had the restriction for sure; only that I wasn't convinced otherwise.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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No. I don't buy his case, and asking for more votes on somebody is tantamount to rushing the day, which is scummy.Ythill wrote:More votes for Atlas please.
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I buy Zeppo007's defense as to what I thought was rolefishing. You said not too long ago that my case on him was weak and you explained it away as sarcasm, remember?
While Ythill's asking us to vote for somebody whose case I think is nonsense does factor into my vote, I simply do not like being rushed, and longer days help the town. Yes, I know it's been about 3½ weeks, but at this stage of the game it's normal and I'm not in a hurry for someone to die.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I wasn't going anywhere with the Zeppo007 vote, which is why I switched.Atlas wrote:Cougar, your vote significantly loses its psychological effectiveness and credibility when you change it every time someone does something scummy.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Since Ythill actually presented a decent case on Atlas I believe, I willunvote Ythilland demote him to aminor FoS: Ythill(I still don't like the fact that he's trying to rush us). I want other people to give their input before I do anything else, though.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Doctor here.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Ythill has it covered, but in a closed setup, the only roles you know in advance are your own and any others the mod tells you about in your role PM. This is something that is best taken to Mafia Discussion, however.Apothecary wrote:Wait, for people claiming Doctor, is there actually a doctor role to claim?
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No.Corvuus wrote:Did you try to 'breadcrumb' or let anyone know you are a doc in your posts?
No.Corvuus wrote:Would you play a doc role differently than a normal townie role?
I wish I questioned Primate more in an attempt to get more information out of him.Corvuus wrote:What do you wish you had done differently in this game before Primate replaced.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Quoted for truth, and the only situation I can think of where town would fakeclaim is Kokusho's gambit, which involves neither a doc nor a doc claim.MacavityLock wrote:
WHAT? This is utter lose. What benefit would vanilla (or other town power) have to gain by avoiding a lynch by claiming doc? It would risk a doc counter-claim (bad for town), an auto-town lynch (aka Lynch all Liars, bad for town), and any number of consequences that would be antithetical to a townie's win condition.Apothecary wrote:Alright then. I don't believe SC's claim. But I don't believe he's a scum either, but a townie hoping that the claim will shield him from the lynch.
FoS: Apoth. I'm not excited to have anybody who thinks like this in a game. I'm not sure if a townie would think like this at all, though maybe that comes back to his semi-newb status. Apoth, if you're town, please don't go fake-claiming power to avoid a lynch. That's really bad mojo.
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OK, but apologies don't change anything. Sorry.Apothecary wrote:Alright then. I personally believe he was just shielding himself from the pressure and decided that it was in his best interests to avoid an immediate lynch. Of course, that is also a defense for scum players, and now I see how that was a bit stupid to suggest that. I apologize, if that's what you want.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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