cool. were there any posts in particular struck you as town AI for koba or are you just being indecisive again
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can we get a quick rundown of your general feelings on the validity of asteria and koba's claims? i've said a couple times now (and i believe otherIn post 3203, clidd wrote:Ok, I finished my catch up.
It wasn't exactly page-by-page, but individual-iso (including predecessors) and this is the slot most likely to be scum imo:
VOTE: T3
I don't intend to go into details, but Haschel's behavior before the substitution was very apathetic in the sense of wim and uncharacteristic with the competence that I imagine town!Haschel has. With the entry of T3 things have not changed much, considering the shallow participation/reasoning, but I still see Haschel as scummy independent of him.have as well) that i view {asteria, koba} as almost certainly containing at least one scum, due to the number of guns in the game not matching the fact that there are 3 PR claims plus (likely) 2 gunned maf. where do you stand on the matter?
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In post 3001, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 2999, InsidiousLemons wrote:also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"
anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game
yeah okay you said this not too long ago my badIn post 3208, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
she feels surface level and not really tryingIn post 3200, InsidiousLemons wrote:
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In post 3207, clidd wrote:@Lemons
If there is scum between them, it's probably Dk. GC losing motivation and using logic excessively to criticize/reject accusations is something that I have seen from scum!GC in a past game, although it also happened with town!GC. But, again, comparatively speaking, Dk + GC are less towny than Asteria.In post 3211, clidd wrote:Regarding Dk(in isolation), nothing they have done so far is outside their town/scum range.
this is all good meta info. i would agree that the combo of crayons + koba is less town than asteria, though it makes me feel a bit better about the slot to hear from a (presumably) neutral perspective that this isn't out of the ordinary for koba.In post 3217, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange
Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game-
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i am willing to start running t3 up at this point. we need to get them in this thread somehowIn post 3218, clidd wrote:But I still prefer T3. A scumread by play is more valid to me than a mech-spec elim.
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okay first thing's first. i am hardclaiming. crumbed it in the first word(s) of each line of this post:town N2 rolecop
i had hoped to get this claim in at the very start of the day to avoid the appearance of picking a side with my night result, but the late daystart meant that i fell asleep before that could happen.In post 1233, InsidiousLemons wrote:other quick pointsn two
-claiming this messily after like 5 pages of softclaiming and floundering and confusion makes it pretty much unthinkable to me that andante is being anything but genuine here. my shaky but incredibly persistent gut townread had some merit to it all along dadgummitrole
-, mafia, vig, gunsmith, etc. all have guns. given the wide range of roles that can possess guns, i don't think focusing too hard on the total number before anyone at all has flipped is going to grant us any useful setup information. i still don't truly understand why you're so convinced a traitor must be in here. again, trackers do NOT have guns, so it doesn't tell us anything about the veracity of robert's claim. why didn't you bother to verify that before going down this road?cop
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i'm not familiar with koba's meta but the attempt to defend themself has been weak so far. combine this with the fact that i can finally reveal that i essentiallyIn post 3303, Andresvmb wrote:My vote is completely unrelated to mechanics.
I think Town!Koba more aggressively pushes me if they disagree with me, and I think they hold their ground a lot stronger. Hammering T3 after they had already identified them as Town low hanging fruit just doesn’t sit right me. I refuse to believe this is Town Koba.KNOW for a factthat either Asteria or Koba or both are lying about having a gun (2 gunned mafia + me + Andante = 4; 1 gunned mafia + Andante + Asteria + me = 4) and voila. the second scenario is already a bit of a stretch to me because it relies on the existence of a traitor. asteria is very possibly lying as well
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okay wait i don't think i understand what you're saying here. you just said you doubt asteria is killed then advocated not limming DK on the basis that "if the other is killed then we have answers", no?In post 3316, VFP wrote:I doubt asteria is killed tonight.
Town Dk means that scum have to choose who to block.
And if the other is killed from the 2, then we have answers.
Dk is a bad lim today.
@Pooky- who's scum outside of PRs?
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surely you don't think asteria would actually have been a better kill last night than andante from a scum perspective, right? this reeks of deflection and whataboutismIn post 3268, DkKoba wrote:they were probably on me and were going to confirm me VOTE: asteria
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this is E-2 by the way so be careful goobersIn post 3318, InsidiousLemons wrote:
i'm not familiar with koba's meta but the attempt to defend themself has been weak so far. combine this with the fact that i can finally reveal that i essentiallyIn post 3303, Andresvmb wrote:My vote is completely unrelated to mechanics.
I think Town!Koba more aggressively pushes me if they disagree with me, and I think they hold their ground a lot stronger. Hammering T3 after they had already identified them as Town low hanging fruit just doesn’t sit right me. I refuse to believe this is Town Koba.KNOW for a factthat either Asteria or Koba or both are lying about having a gun (2 gunned mafia + me + Andante = 4; 1 gunned mafia + Andante + Asteria + me = 4) and voila. the second scenario is already a bit of a stretch to me because it relies on the existence of a traitor. asteria is very possibly lying as well
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i veeery vaguely hinted at this in 3137 as well but apart from that my goal was to keep intentional PR-tells at a minimum because i really wanted to live long enough to use my one-shot. sorry i didn't hit something juicier but we now have one absolutely confirmed VT, and if we determine that asteria is lying we get VFP for free. i still think it's decently likely that they are scum covering for each other. it was a tough choice between pooky and VFP for my night actionIn post 3318, InsidiousLemons wrote:i can finally reveal that i essentiallyKNOW for a factthat either Asteria or Koba or both are lying about having a gun-
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see 3318In post 3325, VFP wrote:
Doesn't a rolecop have a gun?In post 3317, InsidiousLemons wrote:i checked PookyTheMagicalBear in hopes of identifying him as either traitor or doc. it felt more productive than attempting to sus out a town fakeclaim.
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this 2 mafia docs thing needs to die. the first page of this thread confirms that there isIn post 3327, VFP wrote:This just makes me think Anya is a roleblocker and Lemons is actually scum here. A day 2 Rolecop would suggest that there aren't 2 Mafia docs, which would also mean that Dk and asteria are both scum. They are never going to both be scum.
The check on Pooky is odd here. But this makes Pooky town regardless for me.
I think Anya is a good lim still.
@Cliddthoughts here?. not at least one mafia doctor, not some number of mafia doctors, "a". one. anything else would be tantamount to the mod lying about the setup."a mafia doctor"
mafia doctor and a traitor? maybe, especially in a game with an informed role who knows the number of guns.
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look, was my night action choice the most pro-town possible move? with the benefit of hindsight, i can admit that it was not. i got greedy and allowed my overconfidence in my read of pooky and the potential benefits of being right to convince me that checking him was the best option.In post 3333, VFP wrote:Scum only need 2 mis lims aswell.
Lemons is putting us into a position on a plausible mis lim even in their mind.
I'm giving you a scum lim.
VFP's simultaneous persistence in the notion that the claims will self resolve AND that even town!asteria wouldn't die tonight is pretty fuckin fishy to me. 3324 still does not present a scenario wherein we will know 100% who's lying and who's not by tomorrow, unless i'm misreading it.-
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i'm willing to call this a scumslip. in trying to curry favour by defending players she knows to be town, scum!asteria has revealed that she is mentally counting herself as armed mafioso rather than as her real claim. town!asteria does not believe that koba and i are both telling the truth, because to believe so necessitates the belief that none of the mafia are armed. and we know she didn't just miss the andante flip because she directly quotes anya's "rip andante" message earlier in the same post.In post 3335, Asteria wrote:We know for fact that one of the claims is lying now. We have 4 guns claimed and 4 guns total. I don't think Lemons and Koba are both lying so I'm thinking we are dealing with a traitor. If one of them is lying I would bet Koba. Lemons is in a good position right now as scum and this would be a really risky move. Especially since if we do elim me or koba and find out they are town, Lemons would be in a very bad position.
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not significantly, but i wouldn't want to lim you today, and i don't think you're a high enough priority NK if you're town that scum would bother killing you before asteria flips. it does lend her some slight credibility in that it would be difficult for scum to guess that you're VT, but again, i don't think you'll flip before her-
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in the scenario where neither dies and both get "role blocked", how do we know with 100% certainly which one is telling the truth?In post 3324, VFP wrote:
It's not hard to understand.In post 3319, InsidiousLemons wrote:okay wait i don't think i understand what you're saying here. you just said you doubt asteria is killed then advocated not limming DK on the basis that "if the other is killed then we have answers", no?
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Scum either kill Dk tonight or both get "role blocked"
So then we know that 1is lying and that scum actually have a roleblocker.
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we have 4 gunned PR claims:In post 3345, Andresvmb wrote:
I’m not following this logic at all. Walk me through it like I was a child.In post 3339, InsidiousLemons wrote:i'm willing to call this a scumslip. in trying to curry favour by defending players she knows to be town, scum!asteria has revealed that she is mentally counting herself as armed mafioso rather than as her real claim. town!asteria does not believe that koba and i are both telling the truth, because to believe so necessitates the belief that none of the mafia are armed. and we know she didn't just miss the andante flip because she directly quotes anya's "rip andante" message earlier in the same post.
- Andante as gunsmith (confirmed)
- Asteria as neapolitan (unconfirmed)
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- me as role cop (unconfirmed)
knowing that we have 4 guns in play, the possibilities are:
- Andante + 2 gunned mafia + {Asteria, Dk, or me}
- Andante + 1 gunned mafioso + {Asteria and Dk, Asteria and me, or Dk and me)
Asteria is approaching this from the perspective that 2 people are telling the truth, which puts us in the second scenario. she asserts that these 2 people are myself and Dk, which would makeasteria herself the liar.what sense does it make for a real Neapolitan to make this mistake? did she forget what was in her role PM? did she forget that andante died? not likely. what's more plausible to me is that, becausein her own mindshe is already accounted for as the gunned mafioso, she forgot to account for herself again in the PR pool.it is impossible for nea!asteria to believe that Dk and I are both telling the truth, because that theory refutes her own claim.the only way for this to have happened is by a massive blunder of logic, and the explanation for that blunfer that makes the most sense to me is that asteria forgot to account for herself in the PR claims.-
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if i'm the traitor then how do i know who is and isn't important to scum? sure, maybe i'm just a goon, but the fact that you didn't think of this demonstrates that you didn't consider this theory very thoroughlyIn post 3347, VFP wrote:Anya is going to be the best lim here as scum Lemon's makes a claim like that to ensure Anya is safe. Meaning Anya is something important to scum.
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you're totally right. disregard everything I've said about this being a scumslip, i simply misread "i don't think both koba and lemons are lying" as "i don't think koba and lemons are lying"In post 3360, Andresvmb wrote:
Like yeah I think this assumption is incorrect. You should have asked to clarify before I think. I don’t take Asteria’s statement to mean that she thinks you and Koba are both telling the truth. The statement absolutely leaves the option open that 1 of you is lying, just not the both of you.In post 3350, InsidiousLemons wrote:she asserts that these 2 people are myself and Dk, which would make asteria herself the liar.-
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traitor doesn't know who the scum is, right? so how could traitor!lemons be fakeclaiming in order to protect a scum PR?In post 3371, VFP wrote:
Can you word this differently I don't understand it?In post 3354, InsidiousLemons wrote:
if i'm the traitor then how do i know who is and isn't important to scum? sure, maybe i'm just a goon, but the fact that you didn't think of this demonstrates that you didn't consider this theory very thoroughlyIn post 3347, VFP wrote:Anya is going to be the best lim here as scum Lemon's makes a claim like that to ensure Anya is safe. Meaning Anya is something important to scum.
I'm thinking Lemons is actually the traitor here.
I read it as how would you know who scum is?
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this is pretty strong evidence tbhIn post 3361, Andresvmb wrote:Koba not announcing who they supposedly targeted N2 is also highly suspicious.-
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there's very little doubt in my mind that Koba is scum at this point. apologies for the logical fuckery with asteria, i was speedposting at work and didn't give myself time to properly read or think. that's on me.
as i've said, the pooky check was not a great play. it was borne of a strong suspicion that i would be able to identify the mafia doctor. i was wrong and it was a gamble i shouldn't have taken. i don't think this makes me scum
i could believe the play i'm seeing from VFP, although logically inconsistent at times, is coming from a town mindset. not sure i love his insistence on anya being the elim today though. tough to say but i think at this juncture VFP being the real deal is more likely than asteria and VFP being partners, which is the only way VFP could be scum. happy with my vote where it is.-
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i haven't been on the site in 5 years before this game. forgive me for not being familiar with the specifics. as i've said, i wanted to try and appear as vanilla as possible in order to preserve my ability to use my night action. to me that felt much more productive than forcing a confrontation directly.In post 3400, VFP wrote:Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.
As a Traitor is Mafia-aligned, it counts towards the Mafia's win condition. For example, in the situation of 1 Goon, 1 Traitor and 2 Townies, the game ends in a Mafia win.
So if that was your only argument, I'm not buying it. Try again.
if you want me to explain any of my actions/posts in particular i'm more than happy to
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is this post an example of advocating for an andante elim? do i not say multiple times in that post that i townread them? your attempt to discredit me here is silly. the strongest words i have are that i'm "not opposed" to the idea that she could be scum
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there's this too dude like im not gonna pretend i never scumread them but i never wanted them deadIn post 718, InsidiousLemons wrote:
i was talking about the bit in parentheses -- it's clearly meant to be taken more seriously than the rest of the post ("but for real"). talking to Mafia, Generally, Wherever You May Be in this way pings like noobscum. town has no reason to ask scum not to kill someone they like, it's just one more reason for scum to kill themIn post 645, Asteria wrote:
Also what reason does mafia have to post this thoughIn post 639, InsidiousLemons wrote:
this game is going to make me lose my mind. the longer i stare at this post the more i begin to think it's one of the most telling things andante has posted this whole game. what actual reason does town have to post this?In post 621, Andante wrote:In post 620, Anya wrote:woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious
We can just ask the mafia doctor to save insidious!!! duh! lmao (but for real, maf, we value insidious, and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept him around! Thank you)
if you were joking the whole time then why separate the post into two parts? why say "but for real?"In post 646, Andante wrote:In post 639, InsidiousLemons wrote:
this game is going to make me lose my mind. the longer i stare at this post the more i begin to think it's one of the most telling things andante has posted this whole game. what actual reason does town have to post this?In post 621, Andante wrote:In post 620, Anya wrote:woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious
We can just ask the mafia doctor to save insidious!!! duh! lmao (but for real, maf, we value insidious, and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept him around! Thank you)
you don't like my lines? wooow I was just joking with Anya? Are you trying to say I can't have a little fun? that's suspicious... that's weird...
not remembering what you told us <24 hours ago --> low familiarity with your own (fabricated?) opinions --> scumtellIn post 647, Andante wrote:so I have determined. there's not a scum read I'm super confident in at this point in time.
Also, I love the game advancing content rule, it annoys me when people just go "hi I'm here" and that counts
I think it was crayons or dragon I was feeling was weird, idk. I don't even remember what I told yall last night, should probably start there I know I said Asteria felt off, ahhhh if someone has a confident sr, please out it
"please talk loudly about your scumreads so i can wagon them" --> scumtell
this whole paragraph is almost purely iioa. also strange to me that you only back up your null reads and don't mention your, you know, actual reads. if you only saw "maybe 1" vfp post, you need to go back and read the goddamn game. null because i don't care enough to read their posts isn't a read. you've complained about ISOing as if it's something you're never actually going to do, and moaned and grumbled about going back to find a specific post to back up your arguments early in the game. you shouldn't be upset by people asking you to do this, it is literally how to play forum mafia. you can't win without ever looking at ISO, without ever going back and rereading.In post 649, Andante wrote:Andante – Town
Anya - Town
Andresvmb - Town
InsidiousLemons - Town
Save The Dragons - Sus
Green Crayons - Town
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PawnsGambit – leaning town
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Ok, I collected my thoughts from yesterday for yall, and I realized, I haven't outed a read on osuka, then that had me thinking, how do I read osuka? they certainly have lots of content here, always posting. I skimmed through some lines of theirs, and at this time, I honestly don't know how I read them, like, I could see a town and a scum argument, so for them, I'll wait till later to sort. Haschel said he was posting after work, never did, but I was the same with yesterday morning, so, I'd love to see more content there. VFP? idk. I think I saw maybe 1 VFP post, they've just been flying under the radar tbh. Salsa. if I'm being completely honest, I'd probably call scum, solely based on their anger reaction to osuka. They got mad, and left, but, 3they've been v/la or whatever so I'd love to hear actual content from them, cause their lines before leaving were far from great. And lastly, Robert. I really don't know. like, robert will jump in with weird lines, their entrance to the game was also far from great, but like, I could see them coming from a town mindset. yeah. that's where my brain is at
for someone so concerned about not letting people have fun, you're pretty pressed about this second-page post. i guess i could have made it more obviously joking in tone, but andres would have to be actually braindead to claim in response to this post. we were in rvs. chillIn post 650, Andante wrote:In post 30, InsidiousLemons wrote:@andres what is your claim? night 0 cop?
Lemons, I could do the same right back at you, what reason does town have to post this? What if Andres took it as you were actually asking them to claim? no reason for town to care about claims 30 posts into the game
i'm content with this for now given gc's backup and the fact that i haven't been on the site in a few years.In post 652, osuka wrote:i don’t think that was the case a number of years ago but i do distinctly recall a point where it felt like i woke up and suddenly daytalk just seemed to be the norm
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if y'all could stop 3-on-1 tag teaming me and give me a chance to respond to individual threads of reasoning that would be great.
@andres what about my pushes on andante is scum indicative to you?
@dkkoba my last game on here was played when i was fourteen years old. i'm still the same human being but meta at that point is pretty much useless. please show me which posts you see these crumbs in because i have no idea what you could possibly be referring to
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no, i'm pretty sure i did vote there. i'm referring to the fact that i never got a wagon going on them and never said they were my preferred elim for the day, which in my mind are things generally associated with a "push" rather than with "pressure". if i'm misinterpreting feel free to tell me so but i genuinely don't feel i ever put them in a dangerous position or attempted to do so. the one time i got some votes on them they noped out of the thread for like, an entire day. i think that's a valid reason to keep the pressure on, no?In post 3454, Andresvmb wrote:
Like never advocating for an Andante execution is just slimy wording. It’s not taking any ownership over your actual words. You clearly implied they could be Scum, questioned how some of their posts could ever be made from a Town mindset, but yeah maybe you never voted there so you never strictly advocated for their execution. Like give me a break.In post 3447, Andresvmb wrote:
This is clearly a lie I don’t care what you say.In post 3437, InsidiousLemons wrote:never wavered from my townread for long and never advocated an andante elim
you can keep arguing this point and i'll keep telling you that yeah, pooky was a suboptimal choice and that yeah, i was trying to keep a low profile. was it the best play to save my claim for today? i think so, but if i'm wrong it may be because i am refamiliarizing myself with this game for the first time since middle school lolIn post 3457, VFP wrote:
Anya is obvious scum.In post 3452, InsidiousLemons wrote:@vfp what is the partner equity you see between myself and anya? or are you going based off of individual reads on each of us?
Your claim feels out of place and looks to be preventing an Anya lim or a decent wagon growing.
Out of all of the claims I think yours is the worst with results.
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are you seriously telling me you think it's more likely there's a dual roleblocker/traitor than that Dk is just. y'know. lying about getting roleblocked and has somehow had it work out for them for 2 consecutive daysIn post 3453, VFP wrote:
That's true actually.In post 3449, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is confirmed wrong because the number of guns in this solve is wrong
koba vig asteria neapo = 2 guns
anya/lemons = 2 guns
our dead informed gunsmith = 1 gun
btw our dead informed gunsmith said there were 4 guns
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this is a lil sad folks. can we not quicklim 11 hours into day 3 pls?
people make scum slips dude. it happens. how is pointing out what you see as a potential slip a bad thing? win/win because if you're right then it's possible the scum will flounder and if you're wrong then someone will usually point out why they think so and a good discussion can come of it. if i was gonna try and get asteria miselimed on a "scumslip" don't you think i would've tried to capitalize off something that was a little more thought out rather than just firing it off halfway through my shift?
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why so? i retracted my push on asteria after realizing i was being a fucking idiot and needed to slow down and readIn post 3463, VFP wrote: However, to you me and Asteria should be scum, so why does it matter here if I believe you?-
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okay, back. i understand how the traitor works now. what was throwing me off before is that i read all the potential variations but didn't notice the normal guidelines section so i thought it was all fair game. i have to say that in that situation yeah, traitor rb might be a bit more plausible. i actually don't know why someone wouldn't counterclaim the vig at this point, so maybe there is some credibility to the roleblocker theory. but if that's the case then the only other option is you (vfp) and asteria and now i don't know what the fuck to think. it is still within the realm of possibility to me that both asteria and dk are lying but asteria has been doing a solid job of looking town to me recently. i think i need to step away and come back with a more objective perspective-
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*they, *themIn post 3475, InsidiousLemons wrote:she tried to claim investigation and we didn't let her because andante already took her claim lol
getting my players confused, apologies koba
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there are 4 guns. claims on the board so far are:In post 3495, clidd wrote:Ok, I don't understand the mechanics being discussed in relation to the scum doctors and guns, so I need someone to summarize the claims and results in a simplified way.
- andante (gunsmith, confirmed)
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the only mafia who count as NOT having guns are traitors and doctors. there is 1 doctor, confirmed. if there is 1 mafia doctor, everyone except 2 people are lying about their claims. if there is a mafia doctor and a traitor, everyone except 1 person is lying about their claim. at this point i'm beginning to think this setup is more about the gunsmith and their information and the doctor is a red herring. there may be no town killing role at all, though i'm not sure how bastardly or Normal it is to have a doctor who functions solely to obscure gunsmith results. what the fuck is this game-
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okay yeah, this is solid logic. i can't really say anything for the first part about not intervening with a counterclaim because i did the same thing, but i can see how not claiming in this situation looks pretty scummy for both me and salsa. even moreso because salsa was essentially a VT at this point if clidd's claim is to be believed. definitely casts some doubt but i agree with pooky that it's a pretty monumentally stupid fakeclaim when you could just, you know. keep your damn mouth shutIn post 3535, VFP wrote:
Salsa is Clidd.In post 3530, InsidiousLemons wrote:i keep having trouble following your points and i don't know if anyone else finds that or if i'm just brain-dead today. can you walk me through what you're trying to say with 3525? what relation does salsa's quoted post have to the number of guns?
So they know they have a gun as town.
At this point they see claims of GS, Vig, Neo.
That is 4 guns. I don't get the impression that scum has to be in the PRs for them as they are still very focused on me as scum.
I'm just saying, if I had a gun and 3 others are claimed I'm going to be calling out here. Not to mention they are 1 shot apparently so it's not like there's a downside to claiming there.-
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[quote="In post 3559, VFP"][/quote]
no, that interpretation seems correct. at the time i read it as a misunderstanding of what other people were proposing, but i could see it as salsa wanting to "clear" scum!asteria as town with your VT flip upon elimination. the logic doesn't really follow in reverse though -- asteria flipping neap clears you as VT, but not so much the other way around. there is clear scum motivation behind reversing the order like that, if asteria is scum
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heyo thanks supposed rb for preventing the supposed vig shot from killing me and preventing my supposed night action
if that's what actually happened u guys kinda owned urselves lol
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this is the stupidest technicality everIn post 3662, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how does lemons know i am a vanilla townie !?!?
my result returned was "vanilla" and by process of elimination you had to be townie because you're unarmed, therefore confirmed VT-
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i agree with a lot of the points being made on dk and by play they are a very solid scumread for me. what i'm getting stuck on is that, as multiple people have pointed out, if there's a "real" vig they would have almost certainly cc'd or managed to kill someone by now. and if there is no other vig, then we have to ask ourselves: does a setup with a red herring mafia doctor really make it into the normal queue? my strong suspicion is no, but i'm unfamiliar with the approval process so i'd like to hear from people who are-
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you gotta be scum or brain-dead to make this point because i know you know andante cleared pooky as unarmedIn post 3675, osuka wrote:
more importantly: how the fuck did you not realize that lemons clearing you as vanilla _townie_ was extremely strange?In post 3662, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how does lemons know i am a vanilla townie !?!?