OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)
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about what?In post 2315, Realeo wrote:
I see Dunn as a potential town voicing concern.In post 2313, Superhans wrote:I know that I have a town read on Dunnstral (subject to change if I find Regfan's argument compelling) and I know that Desperado also has a town read on Dunnstral.
I don't know about D3 content, but from how Dunnstral played D1, D2, I don't see it being particularly scum.-
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hmm if DunnstralIn post 2268, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Dunnestral
I know I've been putting this game off and I do apologize. I've been extremely busy and notice that my activity in games seems to go down when I'm widely scum read/close to being lynched. It is something I need to work on.
I can definitely see a Desperado/Dunnestral team. I will elaborate this more when I get to my laptop. There are a few posts that feels like he is outright trying to buddy me. He says he has a town read on me, but can never actually explainwhyhe town reads me.
I'll be happy lynching either desperado or dunnestral today.isscum, what does this make TB? Town? Or is this post not genuine? Because honestly if TB is scum, why would he want to push his partner?
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Now is the time to input on your Dunnstral case. You often make a vote put don't follow through with more reasoning, (e.g your vote on me) and it comes across as if you're letting yourself float and be carried by the current.
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Answer plzIn post 2342, Superhans wrote:Think Big WHY did you vote Dunnstral a few pages ago?
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Buy this.In post 2309, Regfan wrote:@Realeo - I don't agree with your SH hesitation in Post 2298 and think it's your fever talking. I do agree with TB ignoring the questions and just throwing a vote down in Post 2296 being a concern though. I really think Dunnstral is the correct lynch here and given todays my last day would appreciate you either voting with me or discussing this read with me in some more detail, happy to wait until you're better though (Get well soon!).
I thought about this more while I was out but lynching Dunnstral almost tells us Desperados alignment as well regardless of flip nearly.
Follow along;
Realeo is just always town here, this is a read that'll never change; (Cop report, his play etc.)
Alisea was Nyduss predecessor and she was the person that pushed (Quite strongly) on Desperado D1 in a way that scum wouldn't to a partner. Nydus-Desp = No.
Dave also pushed on Desperado D1 and there were some interactions between the two of them that point towards not being partners. Dave-Desp = No.
SuperHans & Desperado are just very very clearly non-aligned, everyone has also stated and agreed with this already pretty much. SH-Desp = No.
ThingBig has been pushed on throughout D1/D2/D3 by Desp in a way that scum can't afford to do so. TB-Desp = No.
That means the only scenario that Desperado can ever be scum in is with Dunnstral. Lynching Dunnstral either leads to a scum flip (Which I'm expecting and we'd want) or leads towards Desperado becoming as near as cleared as well upon a town flip in the worst case scenario.
Lots of different reasons? I don't consider their play all that similar at all & Nydus isn't entirely ruling out TB to the degree that Dunn is.In post 2295, Realeo wrote:Why are you scumreading Dunn and hard townreading nydus...when they are townreading ThinkBig...for the same reason?
@Dunnstral RE; Post 2301 I think I am being very fair with the analysis; the reasoning behind TB being scum has changed throughout the game, sure others may have maintained the point about AH leading TB to be scum but theydidprovide other reasons which you never considered or addressed, that's where my issue with your read on him stems from. I don't buy the "I don't use activity is an indicator" in Post 2302 at all.
Will.vote Dunnstral
Count this post as my commitment to voting for him.
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Yo yo yo,In post 1980, Dunnstral wrote:
This and him not considering davesaz is what irks me - looked like if the scum team was, say, him and dave he was setting up lynches. Plus the dumbtell stuff I was considering, though he was never in my mind as a vote option today; nobody else could really explain why they were scumreading himIn post 1849, Dunnstral wrote:Superhans is looking bad backing off from desperado but trying to get others onto him or tb
And desperado is tunneling someone I believe to be town and also won't reconsider his reads and won't give reads on the rest of living players - also there's just something off in general about him... I think he could rather easily be scum (as in, that's an easy read for me to make)
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If u flip town we lynch DaveIn post 2363, Dunnstral wrote:Why do you suspect me?
I was starting to feel like desperado was looking better so that translated into looking at you from poe - now I'm wondering if it was tb all along with him recently jumping on me- which I guess you can still be scum with him, which I want to look over because If I'm lynched I think this game gets a lot harder in terms of mix and matching partner pairs-
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Fuuuck this. U have 5 days, omg.In post 2367, Dunnstral wrote:Well, live and die by regfan hard pushing another town
Sure, if I'm still alive in time for itIn post 2365, Realeo wrote:Dave case please.
and if I care enough
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+1 Dunn's sentiment.In post 2354, Dunnstral wrote:Can we not quicklynch-
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U sulking Desperado?In post 2404, Desperado wrote:
normally yaIn post 2398, davesaz wrote:We call this lining up lynches, and it's a 100% scum tactic.
except the fucking IC is doing it too so-
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Subtext:In post 2404, Desperado wrote:
normally yaIn post 2398, davesaz wrote:We call this lining up lynches, and it's a 100% scum tactic.
except the fucking IC is doing it too so
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Judge arguments on a case by case basis, stop trying to discredit everything he says because he made a mistake D1.In post 2415, Desperado wrote:Reg, I don't SEE the problems you see. I've said that already.
Him being sticky with his TB townread is no different from me being sticky with my TB scumread; we interpreted the world differently entering D2 andnothing has happened to change anything since then[/b]. You strongarmed a PR lynch and then the other PR died overnight. And now we're here.-
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You'd bother if ur town you silly saussage.In post 2422, Desperado wrote:well when you tell me that i should have been more persuasive d2
and i can quote multiple posts of yours where you were shoving my thinkbig case in people's faces and daring them to prove it wrong
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Lynching Dunns will clear up if.u r town, and if ur town TB is scum.In post 2431, Desperado wrote:like hans is literally saying that
but doesn't want to lynch thinkbig anymore
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Davesaz scummy AF, I agree with that Dunnstral.In post 2437, Dunnstral wrote:Davesaz isn't actually pushing for the lynch to change; just trying to look good/make it look like he was on tb
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TB doesn't have a trajectory.In post 2488, Desperado wrote:look at it
just fucking look at it
thinkbig's trajectory on dunn is even more sparse
they aren't even trying to hide anymore
I do. Dunnstral fits as your partner and his is not scum hunting. His flip flop to suddenly scum accusing me didn't help either.-
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I'm waiting for the flip before trying to convince you about Desperado.In post 2476, Realeo wrote:It's just now I have 3 priority
[ 1 ] Convince that nydus is wrong about Desperado scum (or the other way around)
[ 2 ] Convince that Desperado is wrong about SH (or the other way around)
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Close, but not quite.
Regfan made quite a few.posts on why he thought Dunn's should be lynched I read them and yes was influenced by the sinister black magic of persuasion.In post 2312, Superhans wrote:okay i have had up until now a fairly strong town read on Dunnstral. I've been aware that you've been making an extended argument on Dunnstral but haven't actually had a chance to properly evaluate what your claims are or whether they are valid. I will do so now, (maybe it'll take a little while though cos I may need to ISO you and also ISO Dunnstral), but I'll let you know what I think about it by tonight or by tomorrow night at the latest.-
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TB played shadily AF yesterday.In post 2496, grapes wrote:FINAL DAY 3 VC
Dunnstral ( 5 ) -(Regfan, nydushermain, Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo)
(Desperado, davesaz)ThinkBig ( 2 ) -
(Dunnstral)davesaz ( 1 ) -
Not Voting ( 0 )
Five to lynch.
Dunnstral(Role Cop)was lynched Day 3.
Night 3 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-02-02 15:15:02).
Want to lynch in
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He didn't explain his vote on Dunnstral whatsoever even though I asked him at least 3 times to do so.In post 2513, Desperado wrote:i think you're now ascribing a lot of things to thinkbig's play that are not there
which does not track with the way you presented your experience with thinkbig d2
does thinkbig strike you as the kind of player to make a low risk high reward distancing vote on his role cop partner?
His play has been absolutely shocking and I wouldn't put plot past him to realise that Dunns is doomed and vote to save himself.-
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Haven't had a chance to look though Dunns interactions so I'm hesitant to order them rn.In post 2518, Regfan wrote:Evening SuperMan, so effectively Nydus is the only person you feel comfortable with right now? What's your scum read order of Desp/Dave/TB at the moment and why? Particularly interested if you have any reads based on interactions between players from those three and Dunnstral that impacts your read.
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How do you mean?In post 2523, Desperado wrote:mafia is such a weird game sometimes
if you two were dunnstral and thinkbig and you were both scum, does your play evenremotelyresemble what occurred?
TB lynched Dunns fairly late would consider his vote NAI-
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Day One after AntiHuman replaces in
~~In post 371, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 006
(Antihuman ( 4 ) -Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko)
(Gamma Emerald ( 2 ) -Realeo,Kop)
(Realeo ( 2 ) -algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
(davesaz)Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig ( 1 ) -Antihuman)
(Superhans,Not Voting ( 2 ) -Dunnstral)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Prodding Kop.
~~In post 437, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 007
(Antihuman ( 4 ) -Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko)
(Realeo ( 2 ) -algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
(Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) -Realeo)
(davesaz)Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig ( 1 ) -Antihuman)
(Desperado ( 1 ) -Dunnstral)
(Superhans,Not Voting ( 2 ) -Kop)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Secret Agent Jin has requested replacement.
~~In post 512, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 008
(Antihuman ( 3 ) -Gamma Emerald, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko)
(Desperado ( 2 ) -Dunnstral, Alisae)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) -Realeo)
(davesaz)Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig ( 1 ) -Antihuman)
(ThinkBig)Dunnstral ( 1 ) -
(Superhans,Not Voting ( 2 ) -Kop)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
~~In post 609, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 009
(Antihuman ( 5 ) -Gamma Emerald, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae)
(Antihuman, Superhans, Realeo)ThinkBig ( 3 ) -
(Desperado ( 2 ) -Dunnstral, davesaz)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Not Voting ( 1 ) -Kop)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Prodding Kop and Gamma Emerald.
Let me know if the VC is incorrect for some reason.
No deadline extension.
~~In post 669, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 010
(Antihuman ( 5 ) -Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans)
(ThinkBig ( 3 ) -Antihuman,Realeo, Desperado)
(Desperado ( 1 ) -Dunnstral)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Kop ( 1 ) -ssbm_Kyouko)
(Kop)Not Voting ( 1 ) -
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
In post 715, grapes wrote:Day 1 Finish.
FINAL DAY 1 VC
Antihuman ( 7 ) -(Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans,Kop, Desperado)
(ThinkBig ( 2 ) -Antihuman,Realeo)
(Desperado ( 1 ) -Dunnstral)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Kop ( 1 ) -ssbm_Kyouko)
Not Voting ( 0 )
Seven to lynch.
Antihuman(Mafia Traitor)was lynched Day 1.
Night 1 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-01-07 02:12:02).-
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Day One after AntiHuman replaces in
~~In post 371, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 006
(Antihuman ( 4 ) -Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko)
(Gamma Emerald ( 2 ) -Realeo,Kop)
(Realeo ( 2 ) -algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
(davesaz)Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig ( 1 ) -Antihuman)
(Superhans,Not Voting ( 2 ) -Dunnstral)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Prodding Kop.
~~In post 437, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 007
(Antihuman ( 4 ) -Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko)
(Realeo ( 2 ) -algebra, Secret Agent Jin)
(Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) -Realeo)
(davesaz)Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig ( 1 ) -Antihuman)
(Desperado ( 1 ) -Dunnstral)
(Superhans,Not Voting ( 2 ) -Kop)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Secret Agent Jin has requested replacement.
~~In post 512, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 008
(Antihuman ( 3 ) -Gamma Emerald, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko)
(Desperado ( 2 ) -Dunnstral, Alisae)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Gamma Emerald ( 1 ) -Realeo)
(davesaz)Secret Agent Jin ( 1 ) -
(ThinkBig ( 1 ) -Antihuman)
(ThinkBig)Dunnstral ( 1 ) -
(Superhans,Not Voting ( 2 ) -Kop)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
~~In post 609, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 009
(Antihuman ( 5 ) -Gamma Emerald, Desperado,ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae)
(Antihuman, Superhans, Realeo)ThinkBig ( 3 ) -
(Desperado ( 2 ) -Dunnstral, davesaz)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Not Voting ( 1 ) -Kop)
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
Prodding Kop and Gamma Emerald.
Let me know if the VC is incorrect for some reason.
No deadline extension.
~~In post 669, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 010
(Antihuman ( 5 ) -Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans)
(ThinkBig ( 3 ) -Antihuman,Realeo, Desperado)
(Desperado ( 1 ) -Dunnstral)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Kop ( 1 ) -ssbm_Kyouko)
(Kop)Not Voting ( 1 ) -
Seven to lynch.
(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
(edit attempt to use spoilers did not work)In post 715, grapes wrote:Day 1 Finish.
FINAL DAY 1 VC
Antihuman ( 7 ) -(Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Alisae, davesaz, Superhans,Kop, Desperado)
(ThinkBig ( 2 ) -Antihuman,Realeo)
(Desperado ( 1 ) -Dunnstral)
(Realeo ( 1 ) -algebra)
(Kop ( 1 ) -ssbm_Kyouko)
Not Voting ( 0 )
Seven to lynch.
Antihuman(Mafia Traitor)was lynched Day 1.
Night 1 begins now and ends in (expired on 2017-01-07 02:12:02).-
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Think that it is significant that Dunnstral pushed Alisae for the majority of D2.think this may have been legit not bussing which would town clear Ny.
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+1In post 2577, Regfan wrote:Why did you track SuperHans last night when Desperado was your scum read? Why did you track Alisea N1 when they were your strongest town read at the time? (You didn't start scum reading them till D2) Like this claim has so many flaws it's not funny.-
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Dunnstral never on ThinkBig wagon, even though it was the greatest opportunity for a mislynch (at the time).
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