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Classic scum, I like my vote.
In post 10, Kim wrote:VOTE: TheManWhoSoldTheWorld (L-5)
because even the abbreviation is too hard to type. (P-edit: See?) Also, Ziggy Stardust is better.
@FRB: A few days plus 10.5 hours. (TMWSTW and I were in a game that ended Saturday night and separately /in'd for this game on Sunday.)
@Jeanne11: I assume the deadline is UTC/GMT?
I owe you a win, even if your taste in classic rock is horribly misguided.
Good.
Stupid questions.
VOTE: Creative"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 39, Benevolent Dictator wrote:In post 33, Errantparabola wrote:I dont see anything alignment indicative about it.
You don't see anything alignment indicative about liking a vote and then changing it? Because that implies TheMan was lying, either with his words or his actions. You don't think lying is alignment indicative?
You seem awfully eager to let him off the hook here. I know a townie would have pushed that lead until he struck gold. Could it be because you are paired with him and are unwilling to push an early bus too far?
I wasn't lying, I think it was very clearly a joke in reference to Skybird self claiming OMGUS."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 77, Benevolent Dictator wrote:You are acomodating the facts to your reads, the bias is so strong you say you caught the whole team day 1 out of rvs interactions, its very deflective the way you discredit my point without adressing it, so again, wouldnt mafia also push something untill they get what they want? and how should we differentiate that from your play, if you are town.
This really doesn't merit a response.
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VOTE: Dictator"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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My vote wasn't naked, that fact I quoted means it wasn't naked.
My point is that Dictator has locked onto scum so hard that apparently if you don't agree with him, you're scum, if you defend the person, you're scum, and if you question him about it, you're scum. He's a swirling vortex of association tells with no actual evidence, or basis.
Sadly I'm starting to wonder if he's just bad or something, because if he's scum he's getting a lot attention on himself and if he flips one of us town he can't hope to continue this lynch train he's setting up.
I don't have much thoughts on anyone else so far, except that I like Kim, Erran, and Creative."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 97, Sinsun1 wrote:
Finally. The guy with the big name... From here on out, I am calling you Tom. If you don't like it, shouldn't have picked that name. So Tom, what do you think of the Benevolent hydra?
Did you read? Like you read enough to see there is something happening with me and Dictator, but not enough to see what I already said on them.
Anyway shorter version, they are either stupid scum, or SUPER stupid town. And, judging by the fact one of the stronger players we had in this game replaced out, the second they learned who was in the hydra means other people share my feelings.
I will also not respond to Tom because I will most likely forget it's directed at me. There is a list of names on all my posts that I respond to, use them."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 153, Benevolent Dictator wrote:
If you can't say about the others, why are you trying to divert my push on them? Why the fuck bother defending someone who you don't townread when they're not even close to getting lynched?
Like, absolutely it's RVS and my push is exaggerated to gather reactions. Where do you get off jumping in and crying that my shit hasn't gotten a guaranteed scum pegged.
This was 2 pages in the game, this isn't me hammering a lynch on LyLo. There's absolutely no reason for your behaviour to be caused by what you claim it is.
he simply changed his mind during posts
Why are you driven to defend him if the only counter argument you can offer is a complete and utter stretch?
Like, the reason you pressure people, news flash, is to FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE THINKING WHEN THEY DO THINGS.
By trying to push against my wagon, you're best case scenario saying that you don't give a shit about TheMan's alignment and worst case scenario trying to defend a scumbuddy.
I like this post, seems really town perspective.
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I hate all these, VOTE: Kop"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 165, Benevolent Dictator wrote:Alright, I had a chat with Accountant and we're gonna
VOTE: Skybird
I found it really weird that Skybird says OMGUS with an here. Usually you OMGUS because you're irritated or scumread someone, it's not exactly a happy emotion.
I'll read the rest of your post in a second but right now, DOES NO ONE IS THIS GAME KNOW WHAT A FUCKING JOKE IS!?"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 168, Benevolent Dictator wrote:In post 167, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why are you so mad over it?
Why are you so emotionally affected by my read on Skybird? She your scumbuddy?
that's me.
It makes me mad because people were calling em scummy for my response to that joke, which was another joke. When I pointed it out multiple times I was completely ignored. Now you've gone one step beyond and called the first even MORE obvious joke scummy, and implied it was serious.
That's my main point and frustration I guess. You can find jokes scummy, but if you read them as scummy not for the joke but for if it was a serious post then your read is OBJECTIVELY wrong, and at worst manipulative and misleading people."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 171, Benevolent Dictator wrote:I mean I literally just made a joke about Nirvana and I note that others have made jokes without me calling them out for it unless there's something scummy inherent.
I find your reaction bizarrely over the top.
Also, no I did not find everyone in RVS scummy. Off the top of my head, I liked EP, Kim, and the Firebringer hydra from very early on.
Just because you made jokes or let jokes go at other points still doesn't change that it is was a bad point you made on that joke. And the reason the point was bad because you took it seriously."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 173, Benevolent Dictator wrote:Why are you telling me it was a joke?
Is Skybird your tiny female puppet who dances on your strings?
It may have been a joke but it being a joke doesn't preclude it from containing alignment indicative comment; maybe it was a joke.
But she did give it two reasons which makes it look sorta not jokey and on top of that she's scummy in general so that makes me look harder on things that I would otherwise overlook.
Why are you so caught up on this?
Because it was a joke. Also by your own logic, and joke in this game you JUST called a joke, means that players is your puppet and you're scum.
I already made that point, but you didn't give evidence of that, you treated it like it was serious.
Point those out.
I'm not caught up, I'm responding to you. we have differing opinions on reads, and are discussing them, that's how you play the game."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 179, Benevolent Dictator wrote:TheMan you're blatantly whiteknighting Skybird right now. If you agreed with our last two points that would indicate that you at least think there is some reason to suspect them - and any townie in your position would be interested in looking at Skybird's reaction instead of defending someone you've just said had some scummy and inconsistent points. Unless you don't actually agree with those points, and you're just saying that to buddy with us.
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I'm not whiteknighting, I disagree on ONE point, and yes I do find them suspicious, and yes I am waiting for their response. I can discuss this point with you while waiting.
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You guys calling something a joke in no way makes me disingenuous, it MAKE YOU DISINGENUOUS! Because you basically said me defending something as joke is scummy, and implied me calling jokes "jokes" is me being scummy and manipulative."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 183, Benevolent Dictator wrote:If you find them suspicious why do you care so much about us pressuring them based on their joke?Why are you getting so defensive over someone you claim to scumread getting pressured on their scummy actions?
Just because I agree with some points does not mean I agree with all.And no, I will not and should not let bad points slide no matter who says it to who."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 189, Benevolent Dictator wrote:In post 188, RadiantCowbells wrote:I didn't say it did link back to you.
I say you seem concerned that it does somehow link back to you, with 187 only amplifies.
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k I'm literally the worst at this.
Imagine if this was supposed to be a secret hydra.
Okay that's a fair point.
Anyways, now that I'm in a better mood I'll sum up. I think your last two points are good, it not only makes me suspect Skybird more but I also find Kop less suspicious. However I am waiting for their response.
I think you're treating a joke far too seriously and reading it as scum for the wrong reasons because of it. If you had stated why it was a scummy joke it would have been better. I think you saying I shouldn't care about that just because I agree on the whole is rubbish."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 200, Errantparabola wrote:In post 184, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld wrote:In post 183, Benevolent Dictator wrote:If you find them suspicious why do you care so much about us pressuring them based on their joke?Why are you getting so defensive over someone you claim to scumread getting pressured on their scummy actions?
Just because I agree with some points does not mean I agree with all.And no, I will not and should not let bad points slide no matter who says it to who.
It seems like significantly townier play to let the burden of defense of a point you think is bad to fall on the person you scumread. That way if their reaction is similar to yours, you might see their defense as towny. Thoughts?
I understand where you're coming from, I just don't think it always works. I think that if someone is making an objectively poor point, that shouldn't at all serve as evidence, I should express my dislike of the sentiment."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 209, Errantparabola wrote:In post 204, Skybird wrote:Honestly, I don't give a shit that you think I'm scummy. I'm town, I know I'm town, and you are proving yet again that your reads are shit.
Bravo.
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TheMan I still need you to explain your townread on Dictator.
You know what makes me uncomfortable? How whenever Dictator pushes on people, they back off and start townreading them. It seems to me either one of two things: either scum using the townread as some kind of mitigation strategy to reduce the pressure on them, or town seeing aggressiveness as an action exclusive to town. Either way I don't fully understand how people are comfortable with Dictator, or their methods, as town. At all.
I don't remember you asking for the explanation and I thought I did explain.
His play seems to be actually focused on scum hunting, and coming from a perspective of not knowing peoples alignments. It seems to me why he keeps jumping from one scum read to another because he legitimately doesn't know player's alignments. I also previously stated that I just don't see scum playing the way he does, it draws so much attention to him, and doesn't give him much wiggle room when he starts being proven wrong."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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@Skybird, I didn't ask you any questions, I just wanted to wait to see your response from Dictator's accusations.
@Erran, I forgot to ask when I originally responded, but can you point out where people town read Dictator to get rid of him? I remembered this question because I noticed it a lot in the last two pages, firstly I explained my town read and Dictator immediately unvoted, then Kop and Skybird had a exchange where they both didn't really say much but both agreed Dictator was town, and lastly Pignash called Kim scummy for pointlessly pointing out her thought read on Dictator when most people agree right before saying he also town reads Dictator."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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Wanderer, why did you vote Skybird over Rave Bird? You spend equal time talking about them, it to me even seems like you find Rave scummier, care to elaborate?
I don't like that when people started suspecting Kop they vanished from this game, and yes they have been on the site in the last few days, they just ignored this."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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But what about Kop how is Kop not scum? Excluding my original reason to vote Kop, they vanished when from the game (not the site) when the heat turned up, suddenly returned without comment on any of that once it was pointed out, then immediately sheeped a vote without providing any actual content."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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I do see your logic, but I also think there are a number of reasons why scum wouldn't do that, and this conversation will just become WIFOM.
Can you just tell me what you think of Kop? Like they're caught red handed actively lurking.
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I'm leaving the above in because I already wrote it, it's still content, and I do want Dictator's thoughts but after re examining the Kop wagon, it fucking sucks!
Reasons why Kop wagon sucks below.
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UNVOTE: Kop I want to think."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 314, pignash wrote:Why is mine a bad vote? He sheeped me over a vote that was based on 3/4 posts that don't even look that bad in retrospect. Kops action in that one post is worse than all of Kim's stuff so I switched. Explain how that's a bad vote.
Yes I agree the sheep was bad, but your flip on Kop also felt disingenuous. He asked why you found Kim scummy, and you immediately linked to a post you made trying to convince people to vote Kim. So when he agrees and votes Kim, you vote him back. Like what did you want Kop to do? Agree then find his own separate reasons to vote Kim, agree then not vote, or call your reason shit?"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 317, Benevolent Dictator wrote:Dude I don't give a shit Kop could literally scum claim and I wouldn't lynch it because I've already found scum.
Kop is clearly a scum led wagon and it's disgraceful that you don't see it considering how it originally formed.
Did you not read? I unvoted, and started grilling people on the wagon.
Also if you're so certain it's scum founded why aren't you voting Rave Bird, or me? I don't understand you!"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 337, Fostering Rave Bird wrote:Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.
I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird
So why is it Skybird?
Why is it not Dictator?
And why are you only voting Skybird now, when you've been voting Kop the whole game?"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 350, Skybird wrote:In post 337, Fostering Rave Bird wrote:Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.
I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird
Dictator is spewing a bunch of noise. Why wouldn't you want to lynch them?
VOTE: Skybird
Is Dictator scum or town, what is?"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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Dictator's CaseSpoiler:
After that, and an argument between the two, Sky said this...
In post 252, Skybird wrote:Kop, as much as I would like to scum read Dictator, I have them as town.
Them saying...
In post 350, Skybird wrote:
Dictator is spewing a bunch of noise. Why wouldn't you want to lynch them?
Is extremely against pattern as it basically passive aggressively accuses Dictator of being scum without doing anything about it themselves.
Dave had you read the full game?"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 361, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld wrote:What is your scum read? Or do you just not want to no lynch?
That was poorly written, I'm tired.
What is your reason for voting Skybird? Or do you not want to risk a no lynch?"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 383, Errantparabola wrote:
Much prefer FRB lynch today anyway. Anyone else who thinks the same wanna consolidate?
Yo"Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 392, Benevolent Dictator wrote:Like, how fucking obvious is it that with all the effort I've put in she'd have been lynched by now if she was town?
Come on. This isn't your first games people.
No, really no. At this point you still need three votes for this lynch (aka the whole mafia team) and I really doubt all mafia would toss themselves on the same mis lynch day one. So Skybird is not scum for not having been lynched yet, it doesn't mean anything. How obvious is that, come on. This isn't YOUR first game."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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Actually that's exactly what's happening. So by your logic Wanderer-nl, Fostering Rave Bird, davesaz, and TheManWhoSoldTheWorld, is your scum team (minus one of course) and you just can't convince actual town onto this wagon."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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@Kop I think this...
In post 340, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld wrote:In post 337, Fostering Rave Bird wrote:Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.
I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird
So why is it Skybird?
Why is it not Dictator?
And why are you only voting Skybird now, when you've been voting Kop the whole game?
Counts as pointing it out. I also never got answers to these questions so thanks for reminding me.
However I must point out that this is the second time you've vanished from the game when the heat turned up, and you only returned to change your vote to the biggest not you wagon there is."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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Firstly the only way you could know who is town and who is scum is you are scum or you're cheating.
Secondly you are entitled to your opinion on who think is scum or town, and you can argue what ever you want, that's the game. However don't think you can insult and belittle us as players to try and bully your way into getting what you want like a spoiled brat.
Thirdly I can't believe you're actually trying to dictate the PRs and asking for a mass claim like your some kind of town leading genius. Yes the general thought from players is that you're town, but people also seem agreed that you're obnoxious, wrong, and they'd rather not deal with you, not great for leading town.
Last point, wagons that have competed with the Skybird wagon can't both be scum lead as they are lead by different people. So which one is it, pick."Kept you waiting, huh?"
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In post 415, Errantparabola wrote:That rave bird wagon went up uncomfortably fast. But I'd rather cop check me than Dictator because dictator seems like they're wrong about things.
Considering that until the extension happened, town only had hours to get a lynch to happen. I don't think it went up too fast. Honestly it went up to slow for me, so did the Skybird wagon, it makes me feel that possibly most if not all scum currently aren't voting or on the wagons."Kept you waiting, huh?"
For your typing convenience I respond to TMWSTW, The Man, Big Boss, and David Bowie.-
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