Open 615 - Hope Plus One [Game Over: Town wins]

[Skybird]

I haven't paid much attention to FRB because I was leaning town on them. In re-reading their ISO, there is basically no scum hunting other when they vote Kop and give a vague reason. The same post has an out about reading Kop as scum a lot of time when he is not. They later vote me for no reason. Yeah, I can vote FRB.

VOTE: FRB

[Kop]

You do make some good points towards the quotes you quoted, over reading those facts, it's hard to disagree. I can go with that.

VOTE: Kim

Wow. That's scummy enough to make me think this is a bad vote.

VOTE: Kop

You claim this was a bad vote, I overlooked the whole of the posts that Kim has made, and I had no further points that I could add to the argument.

The biggest problem is, the whole games focus has gone around the whole Dictator/Skybird with a few possible wagons been thrown on the side that could develop but not really focused on, because Dictator is trying his best to keep the focus on Skybird. If anything he keeps saying about being nightkilled, if he's doing scums work for them, they won't night kill him.

Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.

I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird

Everybody who jumped on me for my sheep vote, take a look at this one. I notice how none picked up this. This was a vote to jump on the wagon, if I've ever seen one. He didn't even engage anything with Skybird up till this vote. This is a sheep vote.

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

@Kop I think this...

Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.

I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird

So why is it Skybird?
Why is it not Dictator?
And why are you only voting Skybird now, when you've been voting Kop the whole game?

Counts as pointing it out. I also never got answers to these questions so thanks for reminding me.

However I must point out that this is the second time you've vanished from the game when the heat turned up, and you only returned to change your vote to the biggest not you wagon there is.

[Kop]

@Kop I think this...

Dictator is not who we are lynching today, move that vote somewhere useful Big Boss.

I would much rather go for:
VOTE: Skybird

So why is it Skybird?
Why is it not Dictator?
And why are you only voting Skybird now, when you've been voting Kop the whole game?

Counts as pointing it out. I also never got answers to these questions so thanks for reminding me.

However I must point out that this is the second time you've vanished from the game when the heat turned up, and you only returned to change your vote to the biggest not you wagon there is.

Timing last week work wise hasn't helped my activity levels.

I don't like how Dictator has gone on over the past few pages, he's just tunnelled Skybird that much, I'm finding it hard to find a level ground on what to make of it all. I don't know who is telling the truth, to be totally honest. I don't feel like voting either Dictator or Skybird, because I don't think neither are scum.

[Kim]

I really don't want a no-lynch. I've explained my thinking on Kop and Sinsun. As plenty of people have pointed out, FRB's posting consists of 26 fluff votes, 2 naked votes, and 1 explanation of 1 vote. That's not good. My lynch preferences right now, from most desired to least: Sinsun, FRB/Kop (tie -- I could separate the two given enough time, but there probably isn't a need; see below), Skybird (because the flip would be educational, not because I see her as scummy), anyone else.

Sinsun doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Kop's bandwagon is nearly deserted now. FRB seems to be more likely to get lynched today. So:

VOTE: Fostering Rave Bird (L-4)

So little time left. I'll be around all of today if needed. Here's my unofficial vote count:

Skybird 5

-- Dictator (236), Wanderer (293), FRB (337), davesaz (354), TMWSTW (353)

Fostering Rave Bird 3

-- EP (287), Skybird (400), Kim (404)

Kop 2

-- BBmolla (205), pignash (308)

Creative 1

-- Sinsun (97)

Kim 1

-- Kop (303)

Not voting: Creative (160)
Deadline in (expired on 2015-11-29 00:00:00)

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

VOTE: RaveBird

[Jeanne11]

Votecount

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Skybird: 4 - Benevolent Dictator, Wanderer-nl, Fostering Rave Bird, davesaz
Fostering Rave Bird: 4 - ErrantParabole, Skybird, Kim, TheManWhoSoldTheWorld
Kop: 2 -, pignash
Creative: 1 - Sinsun
Kim 1 - Kop




Not voting: Creative

Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-30 00:00:00)

[Jeanne11]

I will extend the deadline for one more day.

[Benevolent Dictator]

FRB is obvious town and this is clearly a scum led counterwagon.

I'm ashamed of any town on it and they should feel the same as I do.

Vote fucking Skybird.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Regardless of the lynch, cop is to check ErrantParabola.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Counteroffer: cop is to check myself and then all 3 PRs out as PR, and then we set up some sort of protect order to maximize towns chances of winning.

Then I lead on Skybird or EP once I'm clear.

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Remember that time you told another player to shush because you didn't think they were being helpful or constructive? Yeah, you should shush now.

[Benevolent Dictator]

Counteroffer: I'm pushing on scum. They were pushing on town.

Shush!

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Firstly the only way you could know who is town and who is scum is you are scum or you're cheating.

Secondly you are entitled to your opinion on who think is scum or town, and you can argue what ever you want, that's the game. However don't think you can insult and belittle us as players to try and bully your way into getting what you want like a spoiled brat.

Thirdly I can't believe you're actually trying to dictate the PRs and asking for a mass claim like your some kind of town leading genius. Yes the general thought from players is that you're town, but people also seem agreed that you're obnoxious, wrong, and they'd rather not deal with you, not great for leading town.

Last point, wagons that have competed with the Skybird wagon can't both be scum lead as they are lead by different people. So which one is it, pick.

[Benevolent Dictator]

List the wagons and their leaders and I'll tell you which are town and scum.

Thirdly I can't believe you're actually trying to dictate the PRs and asking for a mass claim like your some kind of town leading genius. Yes the general thought from players is that you're town, but people also seem agreed that you're obnoxious, wrong, and they'd rather not deal with you, not great for leading town.

I'm voting scum tho yo.

Don't you think that if FRB were scum that the other scummies would immediately flock to my wagon, hmm?

[Errantparabola]

That rave bird wagon went up uncomfortably fast. But I'd rather cop check me than Dictator because dictator seems like they're wrong about things.

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

That rave bird wagon went up uncomfortably fast. But I'd rather cop check me than Dictator because dictator seems like they're wrong about things.

Considering that until the extension happened, town only had hours to get a lynch to happen. I don't think it went up too fast. Honestly it went up to slow for me, so did the Skybird wagon, it makes me feel that possibly most if not all scum currently aren't voting or on the wagons.

[pignash]

I don't like either wagon. Will ISO these two and make a decision about which I dislike less now.

[Fostering Rave Bird]

However don't think you can insult and belittle us as players to try and bully your way into getting what you want like a spoiled brat.

You've never played with RadiantCowbells before, have you?

[Fostering Rave Bird]

-Dav

[Kop]

Counteroffer: cop is to check myself and then all 3 PRs out as PR, and then we set up some sort of protect order to maximize towns chances of winning.

Then I lead on Skybird or EP once I'm clear.

Out all PRS what are you on seriously?

Is this a blatent role fish

[Kop]

Outing the PRS is not a good idea in fact it is a stupid idea.

Why would you propose that? How would it benefit town?

[davesaz]

I believe I've seen discussion to the effect that the setup is designed specifically so that massclaim is bad for town.

[Skybird]

Pignash, who do you want to lynch if you don't like either wagon?

Dictator, shush. I predict that town will lynch you if you succeed in lynching me.

Now think about that before you respond.

[pignash]

Kop