Open 615 - Hope Plus One [Game Over: Town wins]

[Kim]

@Jeanne -- I'll be V/LA this coming Fri/Sat/Sun.

I'm a bit annoyed at the no lynch because we've literally found out nothing since yesterday.

Well, we found out that scum didn't have a strong reason to keep Dictator alive -- e.g., they didn't have a strong town read on someone who was actually scum. FRB was the only explicit town read of Dictator's, unless I missed something in Dictator's iso. I voted for FRB, so that's making me reassess them.

[davesaz]

Several possible reasons for a kill: eliminate someone town is reading as town, eliminate a threat, target a presumed PR, frame someone, confuse town.
TBH I'll need to reread most of d1. I got nothing really strong yet.

[pignash]

Your hydra is showing.

I'd be down for a Kop lynch still.

[Kop]

Kop, what do you have to say about almost being lynched D1?

I can see why it was done, we needed a lynch, to gain informaton. But the manner in how it came about, irks me a little bit. I wasn't around at the time of the wagon forming on myself, to even question it, or have a say. I would safely say there would have to be at least one scum following the chain. Where the vote was placed, that is up for topic I'd say.

BBmolla soft claiming cop, Why would you vote that Skybird? I understand the dubiousness to believe it is half the reason but to offer it up for lynch?

[Errantparabola]

@Jeanne -- I'll be V/LA this coming Fri/Sat/Sun.

I'm a bit annoyed at the no lynch because we've literally found out nothing since yesterday.

Well, we found out that scum didn't have a strong reason to keep Dictator alive -- e.g., they didn't have a strong town read on someone who was actually scum. FRB was the only explicit town read of Dictator's, unless I missed something in Dictator's iso. I voted for FRB, so that's making me reassess them.

I can get behind this logic.
VOTE: Kop

[Creative]

Holly molly, how i'm still in this game?, i was away for like, 3 weeks or something, anyways, sorry everyone, a lot came up in my work/life.
things have seemed to have stabilized,

soo... backtracking since my last post is actually unlikelly to happen, but i will take any questions about it.

moving on....

Kop

Spoiler:

Kop, what do you have to say about almost being lynched D1?

I can see why it was done, we needed a lynch, to gain informaton. But the manner in how it came about, irks me a little bit. I wasn't around at the time of the wagon forming on myself, to even question it, or have a say. I would safely say there would have to be at least one scum following the chain. Where the vote was placed, that is up for topic I'd say.

BBmolla soft claiming cop, Why would you vote that Skybird? I understand the dubiousness to believe it is half the reason but to offer it up for lynch?

what you mean with irks you a little bit? if you are town, went to L-1 and didn´t got lynched, don´t you think "at least one scum" is a very optimistic way of wording it? not only that, now we have information that one of the voters is town, so can you work out reads on the other 5 unconfirmeds that voted on you and the possibles scums in the vote?

Also what do you think about the two other wagons that happened right before yours,

Skybird

and

FRB

,
what do you make of the fact they were both voting each other, then

Skybird

jumped off

FRB

and went after you, while

FRB

mantained his vote parked on

Sky

and didn´t hammered you?

[Kop]

It makes me town read FRB for that reason. If he was scum, he could have easily bagged a free lynch and no backlash from it since it looked it was going that way. Which prompts me to believe that dictator could be right about Skybird. She happily switched to me and now she is voting for someone that soft claimed cop which to me does not make an ounce of sense. It obviously has not been countered yet.

VOTE: Skybird

I am going to look through the other voters to see where there is consistencies. I know pignash and EP would be the next port of calls since I am not digging them either.

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

VOTE: Kop you're wrong, but I'm not outing people yet.

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Also I need to check but I got an eye for BB, Rave, and Kop as a scum team.

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Sorry guys, I wasn't given a day start pm on my main for this game >.>
Will do catch up in a minute.

-Fire

[Fostering Rave Bird]

I'm a bit annoyed at the no lynch because we've literally found out nothing since yesterday.

Well dictator flipped...but dictator was pretty much obvious town.

-Fire

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Except my probable cop report which I'll bring up another day.

You are claiming cop?

VOTE: BBMolla

This is such a bad post.

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Also I need to check but I got an eye for BB, Rave, and Kop as a scum team.

I would like to hear more on why you think this.
Both BB and Kop are pinging me as town.

[Fostering Rave Bird]

Right now I am feeling Skybird and EP are scum, but I feel like I am just conf biasing myself.
Not sure on Kop though and feel like Kop is tryign to buddy me.

-Fire

[TheManWhoSoldTheWorld]

Right now I am feeling Skybird and EP are scum, but I feel like I am just conf biasing myself.
Not sure on Kop though and feel like Kop is tryign to buddy me.

-Fire

Without doing a double check I have this to say, you three really helped split the vote, helping a no lynch for day one, all of you are agreed that Skybird's opening is bad when it was good. That has reasons that also point to three of your being scum together. That's all I really have now, I hope to get more on a reread.

[Skybird]

Seriously?!?! Some people are being really dense right now. Anyone that thinks EP is scum is totally wrong. He's town.

[BBmolla]

I think I might just sheep Firebird

[Kim]

It makes me town read FRB for that reason. If he was scum, he could have easily bagged a free lynch and no backlash from it since it looked it was going that way. Which prompts me to believe that dictator could be right about Skybird. She happily switched to me and now she is voting for someone that soft claimed cop which to me does not make an ounce of sense. It obviously has not been countered yet.

VOTE: Skybird

I am going to look through the other voters to see where there is consistencies. I know pignash and EP would be the next port of calls since I am not digging them either.

Wouldn't you want to look at me, your previous vote? The one who you apparently thought was such a good target for a vote that you left your vote on me on deadline day, when you could have broken the Skybird/FRB tie and put one of them at L-2? Also consider that I switched my vote to you at the very end of the Day, which you said irked you.

Your lack of a vote for me (or even a mention of me) toDay leads me to think that you're not really looking for scum -- you're just trying to look like you are. Add that onto the reasons why I was willing to switch my vote to you in the first place and I think I'm happy voting for you again.

VOTE: Kop (L-3)

...is there a term for the opposite of an OMGUS vote?

P.S. on Sinsun: I thought the reasoning behind his vote for Creative, which I'm guessing was based on reading Kop's case and then extrapolating about how Creative's non-existent readlist felt "fake", was the act of lazy scum. Seeing as he hasn't even logged on since then, however, I'm starting to think that it was just someone who wasn't interested in this game.

[Wanderer-nl]

Busy week, will do reads on the weekend.

[davesaz]

I think I might just sheep Firebird

Firebird isn't in the game, did you mean Skybird?

[davesaz]

Also I need to check but I got an eye for BB, Rave, and Kop as a scum team.

I would like to hear more on why you think this.
Both BB and Kop are pinging me as town.

Right now I am feeling Skybird and EP are scum, but I feel like I am just conf biasing myself.
Not sure on Kop though and feel like Kop is tryign to buddy me.

-Fire

Was this the same head being unsure on Kop in adjacent posts, or two heads?

[davesaz]

I'm still thinking Kop and Creative look scummy. Skybird has made some townish posts and I'm not interested in lynching her any more.
Also still interested in knowing why Fostering Rave Bird thought I was scummy for scumreading Creative.

[Kop]

It makes me town read FRB for that reason. If he was scum, he could have easily bagged a free lynch and no backlash from it since it looked it was going that way. Which prompts me to believe that dictator could be right about Skybird. She happily switched to me and now she is voting for someone that soft claimed cop which to me does not make an ounce of sense. It obviously has not been countered yet.

VOTE: Skybird

I am going to look through the other voters to see where there is consistencies. I know pignash and EP would be the next port of calls since I am not digging them either.

Wouldn't you want to look at me, your previous vote? The one who you apparently thought was such a good target for a vote that you left your vote on me on deadline day, when you could have broken the Skybird/FRB tie and put one of them at L-2? Also consider that I switched my vote to you at the very end of the Day, which you said irked you.

Your lack of a vote for me (or even a mention of me) toDay leads me to think that you're not really looking for scum -- you're just trying to look like you are. Add that onto the reasons why I was willing to switch my vote to you in the first place and I think I'm happy voting for you again.

VOTE: Kop (L-3)

...is there a term for the opposite of an OMGUS vote?

P.S. on Sinsun: I thought the reasoning behind his vote for Creative, which I'm guessing was based on reading Kop's case and then extrapolating about how Creative's non-existent readlist felt "fake", was the act of lazy scum.

Seeing as he hasn't even logged on since then, however, I'm starting to think that it was just someone who wasn't interested in this game

.

Tell you what, I see this (Not in same words) and hate when people use that as a reason to pin on someone. People have jobs and work outside of the internet, and just because I might be busy with work and other commitments does not spell that I am not interested in this game.

I wasn't even around for the deadline to even switch my votes, I logged on after I woke up to go to work, and seen the switch of votes onto me, the only thing that irked me, is the fact that it swang, without any real hesitation from anyone, it was just a convenient slot to go too.

UNVOTE: Skybird

I overthought about Molla soft claiming cop, I'm not sure why you would state such a thing. Under no pressure, I don't see why he needed to say that. He also claimed not to liking being in this game. This means possibly that he may actually be scum, trying to draw out the cop? Or he is just fibbing and I have no idea why.

[Wanderer-nl]

Kop, you did this (defend not being here and voting *the wrong wagon* (so to say) due to work and stuf) in our game that just ended too. Where you were scum. Are you scum again?
Why did you unvote Skybird?
And I'd like you to take an actual stance on BBmolla's claim please, or is the fence nice today?

[Kop]

Kop, you did this (defend not being here and voting *the wrong wagon* (so to say) due to work and stuf) in our game that just ended too. Where you were scum. Are you scum again?
Why did you unvote Skybird?
And I'd like you to take an actual stance on BBmolla's claim please, or is the fence nice today?

I am not scum this time.

I unvoted sky because of what the man said. I'm not going to chase an avenue that could possibly open something up that could do more harm.

In fact I think my vote right now needs to be on Molla. I just have never seen a cop soft claim like that for no reason. Which makes me feel that there is no real truth in it. If you get an innocent you keep quiet, if you get a guilty you lynch that person, you just don't soft claim under no duress that would lead to either your nk or being blocked if there is a roleblocker of some sort.

VOTE: bbmolla