Open 563 - Jungle Republic (Night 5~)

[fuzzybutternut]

Catching up? Who does that these days?

Hello all. I don't believe i've played with any of you before.
If I have, it's been a long time.

I've been reading this for a while now and I have some initial semi-gut reads.


Wickedestjr gives me a scummy vibe. I'd probably mark him as not town.
Maruchan is probably not town as well. Something something something inactivity/not doing shitall.
SNS has a very, very weird playstyle. He gives off a naturally scummy vibe, but not the kind that would label him as scum, you know? The kinda vibe that makes you say "wow..I'd never want to meet this guy in an alley"
Not_mafia and Reinoe are my strongest town reads at the moment.
Add Desperado to Maruchan/Wicked list.
Not really sure what to think about bins yet. I'll give him a look again.

[fuzzybutternut]

add The Bulge to Wicked and Maru's list too. Literally hasn't done shit all game.
Looks like bjc is still V/LA. Weird that he states V/LA and then places a vote on someone. Might be scum. Who knows.
Pasch is still sitting on an RVS. Hey Pasch, vote scum plz.
Shaded has had like, 7 posts, and 3 of those have been votes.
"but fuzzy, one was an RVS"
<the definition of not caring.
Shaded, please do something productive.

VOTE: Maruchan

let's see where this goes.

[fuzzybutternut]

Nothing personal really. I'm sure you're a swell guy. You just give off such apathetic responses sometimes. It's really quite comical to read.

[fuzzybutternut]

Sorry Bins. <3 I still haven't ISOd you, otherwise I'd have known that.
I have a horrible attention span.

EDIT:

Is he? Interesting. He really hasn't done anything here.
I want to hear more from him.
Can we prod him or something?

[fuzzybutternut]

Sure thing. Meanwhile, we have scum to catch. And a werewolf.


I want to hear more from people.
Let's start with the people that are here.

SNS, who is scum and why are they scum. Secondly, who might be a werewolf and why might they be a werewolf?

Bins, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[fuzzybutternut]

Hm. Fuzzy isn't a werewolf unless he's playing dumb. Fuzzy, there are two werewolves and three mafia in this game.

Atm, I can't discern between a werewolf and mafia. There will eventually be a difference I think but I can't see how to tell a difference right now.

Scum in general: Maru, Desp, Bulge, Pasch, and not sure about the fifth one. Probably Reineo because his argument is so over the top and stretched. I did that in a recent scum game and won because everyone thought I was misguided town. Not gonna push it right now though, too much confrontation already. Ugh.

Well, I meant that we can possibly catch scum and a werewolf today. I find it very unlikely that we will find all 3 scum and both werewolves in one day, so I just decided to focus on one and one.

You

might

be right about Reineo, but I

really

doubt it. I'm not really sure about Pasch or Bulge. I just haven't seen enough of them before. I do recall playing with Pasch, but that was probably over a year ago, so I doubt it really means much.

Bjc, I'm not even going to listen to anything you're saying until you back it with some kind of evidence of some sort. Saying "trust me guise, I got da scum" isn't going to get you anywhere around these parts, fella.

[fuzzybutternut]

add The Bulge to Wicked and Maru's list too. Literally hasn't done shit all game.
Looks like bjc is still V/LA. Weird that he states V/LA and then places a vote on someone. Might be scum. Who knows.
Pasch is still sitting on an RVS. Hey Pasch, vote scum plz.
Shaded has had like, 7 posts, and 3 of those have been votes.
"but fuzzy, one was an RVS"
<the definition of not caring.
Shaded, please do something productive.

VOTE: Maruchan

let's see where this goes.

you play mc right?


also, go meta me. lurkerMaru is not a scumMaru playstyle. I don't Lurk. Period. I usually vie for the top posts in the topic position.

I just can NOT get myself into this game.

Self-meta does not a townie make.
Yes, I play minecraft.
Every day.
does davroe19 mean anything to you?

I don't care how much you post in other games, your lack of posting content in this game is disconcerting and not at helpful.

Bjc, you're not as good as you think you are, I promise.
This is a game that revolves around proof. Presenting proof, disputing proof, it all revolves around proof. You can't expect someone to believe what you say unless A)you're scum with them and you're trying to push bullshit, B)you have absolute proof that someone is [insert role here]. See where the proof comes in here?

[fuzzybutternut]

If I'm reading this right, that puts Pasch at L-2?
Pasch, you got some 'splanin to do.

I'm going to
UNVOTE:
as much as I hate to admit it, I think Maru is actually town.
Stupid, yes, but town nonetheless.

VOTE: The Bulge
I like this more.
>admits to lurking
>says he'll post more
>comes back with an explanatory post followed by a vote on the current wagon

Yeah...totes not town.
moar votes here please.

[fuzzybutternut]

There was no reasoning behind your vote. Mindless sheeping. Scum do this to get an easy lynch off on someone.
Where did I say you had re-read?

[fuzzybutternut]

I very much do not have any explaining to do.

Fair enough.


Pasch is town for now. I don't like this Bulge character one bit.
Let's come to a consensus, shall we?
We lynch Bulge today, get some information, and have a look at Pasch tomorrow.

Here's how I see it,

Scenario 1: Bulge is scum. Hooray! We got scum day one! One step closer to town winning this. I don't see a bulge/pasch scum team, meaning Pasch COULD be a werewolf, but not necessarily.

Scenario 2: Bulge is werewolf. See the above.

Scenario 3: Bulge is town. Well shit, we fucked up, BUT we have more information going into the next day. We can look at people deeper tomorrow and find out who exactly is scum. We see who dies at night, if anyone.


OBLIGATORY CLARIFICATION: We do not need a lynch any time soon, so let's not rush anything. Let's get all the information we can and THEN we lynch and do the above.

Also, if anyone has any other scenarios that they can think of that I may have missed, please let me know. I'm visiting people at the moment and I don't have my mind in the right place to think about things correctly.

[fuzzybutternut]

Well, for one, you aren't scum and you aren't werewolf. That significantly narrows down who could be scum/werewolf. We take a look at Not_Mafia and Pasch. We may find scum (using this for both alignments from now on). I'll admit that we won't gain too much from a town flip,

but

, because I adamantly believe you are scum, I'm not worried about it too much, and what we do gain we can do a hell of a lot more with than we could without that information.

Edit: your stumbling isn't the reason I think you're scum, FYI. Stumbling isn't a scum tell by any means.

[fuzzybutternut]

Guys stahp. You're all wrong. Sheep teh fuzzy to ultimate victories.

[fuzzybutternut]

@Fuzzy, when you say scum, do you mean mafia specifically or both factions generically?

We may find scum (using this for both alignments from now on)

[fuzzybutternut]

^That never has and never will make someone scum. Useless town =/= scum. Doesnt mean they shouldn't be lynched, but we should take out scum before we worry about useless town.

[fuzzybutternut]

Guise, please stahp.

The town v town arguments get us nowhere.

[fuzzybutternut]

He hasn't done anything particularly scummy + I've played with him before, albeit long ago, but his play style now is similar to what it was back then.
Like I said before, when we get a result from Bulge, we'll look at Pasch again.

[fuzzybutternut]

Mist, can we get a VC plz. Ty bb

[fuzzybutternut]

Ty. <3

Moar votes on teh Bulge!


Edit: That's the spirit!

[fuzzybutternut]

Pasch is town. I can almost guarantee it. You, on the other hand, I believe are scum. So...no. Not really. The thing about this setup is that EVERYONE has to scum hunt to play to their win condition. Werewolves have to find and eliminate mafia in order to win. And vice versa. On day one, it doesn't matter who is on what wagon.

[fuzzybutternut]

Wicked is probscum too, but Bulge is more scummy imo.
We can look at him tomorrow as well.

[fuzzybutternut]

>dick-all

That's a new one.

[fuzzybutternut]

Sns

[fuzzybutternut]

Gonna flip town though. Too many people on the wagon.

Then vote Bulge and let's take out scum!

[fuzzybutternut]

Catching up now.

atta-boy.

[fuzzybutternut]

I have issue with fuzzybutternut's suspicion of Bulge.

1. You seem very confident in your suspicion of him for reasons which don't seem that unique or strong.

2. I thought Bulge actually made a good point with regard to your 'mindless sheeping' accusation. Why did you ignore ShadedMelee, snscompt1, and Not_Mafia's votes? I would also like to point out that Bulge voted Paschendale two posts after the latter made his big reads post. He was the first person to vote Paschendale after that reads post and I thought it was obvious that Bulge was voting Paschendale for the reads post. So I don't see your issue here.

3. You said;

^That never has and never will make someone scum. Useless town =/= scum. Doesnt mean they shouldn't be lynched, but we should take out scum before we worry about useless town.

But this seems like a contradictory attitude. Aren't you essentially voting Bulge for uselessness?

1.) I think Bulge is a werewolf. It's a 50-50 gut read, meaning that half of the vote is because of gut and half is because I find his play scummy and indicative of a werewolf.

2.) Since when can scum not make good points? I don't care if your point is the best point that was ever made in the history of mafia, if you're scum, and I'm town, I'm going to lynch your ass. I didn't ignore anyone's votes. I knew very well who was voting for whom, but I wholeheartedly believe Bulge is scum and therefore will do my best to get him lynched.

3.) See 1. I will never push someones lynch solely for doing shit-all. That's a policy lynch. I despise policy lynches. Stating what I stated in said quote was more IC and less fuzzy. Despite this not being a newbie game, there are things people still think are scummy when, in reality, they aren't. I feel obligated to point things like that out in hopes to help their future gameplay.

[fuzzybutternut]

Those can....explode?

[fuzzybutternut]

Hmm. Yeah. That vote on Pasch was kinda odd...

Sns, what's your reasoning behind this?

[fuzzybutternut]

Sns, I love you.

VOTE: Maruchan

[fuzzybutternut]

Sns, let's lynch Shaded tomorrow, yes?

[fuzzybutternut]

That's not really a scum slip....

[fuzzybutternut]

SNS is town. Maru is useless. Pasch can wait. Let's lynch Shaded tomorrow, Pasch the next day, ez pz lemon sqz

[fuzzybutternut]

Maru isn't just lurking. If he was, he wouldn't be saying anything. Instead, he's posting useless shit and actively hindering town.

Of course you dont like my plan. I have unveiled ye scum team.

[fuzzybutternut]

SNS is town. Maru is useless. Pasch can wait. Let's lynch Shaded tomorrow, Pasch the next day, ez pz lemon sqz

But is Mary scum?

Would I be voting him if he wasn't?

[fuzzybutternut]

1.) His lack of actual content makes it seem like he's just trying to pass the day through to get through and get his NK done so he can line something up for the days after.

2.) At the time, I didn't think anything of the pasch votes. I'll go back and re-read to see if I find anything out of the ordinary.

3.) I explained the reason I'm voting in one of my latest posts.

4.) Yes and no. I would rather lynch Maru over Bulge right now, as Sns made some good points that changed my mind on the subject. I still want Bulge lynched, and my thoughts may change based on Maru's flip, but I honestly think he's scummier than Bulge right now.

On another note, is Shaded flailing or is it just me?

[fuzzybutternut]

On another note, is Shaded flailing or is it just me?

Please show me where i voted without a reason besides that bjc-reaction vote. Even my RVS vote has a reason.

Also do you think it is ok to vote people without giving reasons?

This suggests that he never had a good reason for his votes to begin with.

I'm sorry?

This confuses me a bit.

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[fuzzybutternut]

Totally forgot I had games here. Sorry guys. I'll catch up tomorrow (as it's past midnight here) and post something.

<3 you guys

[fuzzybutternut]

^

Alright, I've read.

UNVOTE:

I want to give this SplashCloud person a fair chance to look town.

Gonna leave my vote to myself for now until I see somewhere fit for it.

[fuzzybutternut]

that's a scum replace out.

Replacing out isn't scummy. He claimed V/LA and then posted saying he was replacing out because he wasn't going to be able to post much. If anything, that's town.

[fuzzybutternut]

FUCK. TITUS WHY.

jk I <3 you.

Sure, I'll get to that post right now.

[fuzzybutternut]

1.) His lack of actual content makes it seem like he's just trying to pass the day through to get through and get his NK done so he can line something up for the days after.

2.) At the time, I didn't think anything of the pasch votes. I'll go back and re-read to see if I find anything out of the ordinary.

3.) I explained the reason I'm voting in one of my latest posts.

4.) Yes and no. I would rather lynch Maru over Bulge right now, as Sns made some good points that changed my mind on the subject. I still want Bulge lynched, and my thoughts may change based on Maru's flip, but I honestly think he's scummier than Bulge right now.

On another note, is Shaded flailing or is it just me?

1.) This doesn't really make any sense. Does this mean Maruchan is the other werewolf?

2.) So... anything out of the ordinary?

3.) I've read your iso twice now. I don't see any reasoning other than "he is useless". Unless I missed something twice, your Maruchan vote contradicts your belief that uselessness =/= scum. And again, did you not notice Maruchan's lack of contribution before sns pointed it out? I thought it was pretty blatant.

4.) Well, in your post 384 you also said "Sns, let's lynch Shaded tomorrow, yes?" shortly after voting Maruchan. At one point you seemed to really want to lynch Bulge today. Next thing I know, you have Maruchan AND Shaded ahead of him on the pecking order. Seems like a radical change.

I'm not sure that he was flailing, but he was most definitely lurking.

1.) It's possible. I'm have no way of knowing if he is or not, but I think he might be.

2.) To be honest, I still haven't re-read. I've been really busy as of late, but I'll get around to that asap.

3.) I swear it was this game that I mentioned how useless Maru was going to be from the start, but I may be wrong about that. If I am, disregard that completely.

4.) There are 5 scum in this game. 2 werewolves and 3 mafia. Shaded is probably scum. Maru is probably scum. Bulge is probably scum. Like I said, Sns made some points that made me prefer a maru lynch over a bulge lynch today, but in no way have I changed my mind that bulge is scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Prob scum based on Shaded's actings. Prove to me you aren't scum and you can live.

[fuzzybutternut]

For sns vs reinoe; looking at their reactions, they both look town to me.
Not-Mafia - seems like looking for voting opportunities, but content-wise looks town.
Not sure about bins, he looked like too-much-rational to me. Posts look fabricated, but has town-vibes too.
Wicked is the usual wicked. Prob town.
Maruchan avoids posting real content, just fluff and trolling. Slightly suspicious.
Bulge is lurking and just posting on other's geniune thoughts. Again slightly suspicious.
Bjc is unreadable. (And i was trying to pinpoint it)
Pas has one liners aimed at creating suspicions, i especially did not like 41 and 53.
desp and elmo are empty slots.

No strong scum reads yet. We definitely need more posts. Can everyone share their reads pls?

My vote is fine here for now.
VOTE: Paschendale

God what a pile of shit. Thanks for the omgus and jeez how can you call me obvious scum and vote a scum lean?

Can we drop the penis measuring and all vote pasch while singing kumbaya?

bjc is damn right about this. Come on people; everyone say: "Baa".

Do i have a double-vote?
VOTE: Paschendale

First off, I'm not putting my finger anywhere you dirty, dirty boy.

Secondly, these two posts are what make me think Shaded is scum.

He puts a vote on Pasch. Says he has no scum reads and IN HIS VERY NEXT POST, declares Pasch absolute scum. Now, I'm not saying pasch isn't scum, but you can't just go from >I have no scum reads to >This guy is definitely scum.

He was mindlessly sheeping and trying to get a lynch through while not actively contributing.

[fuzzybutternut]

EBWOP: I know you're a girl, I said boy for sake of the quote.

[fuzzybutternut]

That would require him actually reading, though. Which he didn't.

[fuzzybutternut]

That would require him actually reading, though. Which he didn't.

Why are you supposing he didn't?

His hypothetically not reading the thread means he's easier mislynch bait as well.

Why would he read and not post? What sense does that make as town? He posted just enough to avoid prods and he was gone again.

[fuzzybutternut]

VOTE: Splashcloud

This is better than a NL.

I'll answer that tomorrow, Wicked.

[fuzzybutternut]

Reinoe? Interesting..

PR hunting, no doubt.

Or framing?

Thoughts on the NK everyone?

[fuzzybutternut]

I wanted one from the mod.

Either way, if Bulge and Bins could have been voting for a different faction than their own, then the scumreads (or ww-reads) still stand.

What do you mean by this? Sorry, this confuses me a bit.

[fuzzybutternut]

Why did your mind jump to a whole town wagon instead of thinking they're wolves? And do you honestly think a whole town wagon d1 is realistic in a 7-3-2? That would literally mean scum is everyone off the wagon.

NM makes a good point here. The likelihood of the entire wagon being town is slim to none.
I'd expect a 1-1-4 scenario if anything.


Now then, in no way, shape, or form, is analyzing a NK something scum does in thread. What would be the point of that? Voting me for that just shows that you're looking for a lynch without foundation. Find a good reason to vote me and then I'll acknowledge it a little more.

[fuzzybutternut]

Unsight, what are you going on about? I'm fairly certain I explained the reasoning behind all of my votes. I even declared exactly who I thought was scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Unsight, what are you going on about? I'm fairly certain I explained the reasoning behind all of my votes. I even declared exactly who I thought was scum.

You called

ShadedMelee

/

Titus

scum but didn't vote them. At a time when you were voting no one. If you're his scum partner then it makes sense that you'd want some plausible deniability "I thought he was scum in Post XYZ" but not want to bus him by actually voting him. Not my strongest read ever, but I've lynched people for less.

Please go back and re-read my posts. I explained all my votes to a key. I explained my scum reads too. There was a whole discussion about it yesterday. Yes, I thought Shaded/Titus was scum, but I wanted to hold my vote at the time. Sns (I think it was sns) made a comment that made me change my mind about who I wanted to vote, and so I voted for them instead.

Now, please tell me, what would be the purpose in bussing my scumbuddy in a setup like this? That would potentially leave my team at a disadvantage, as having them lynched would leave us one less and possibly two less, assuming we were mafia and not werewolves. At any case, it's damn near suicidal to do.

@whoever asked me about my thoughts on the NK (I'm far too lazy to go back and re-read atm), I'd guess PR hunting, if anything. Might've just been something to pass the night. There's no way of knowing for sure.

[fuzzybutternut]

Scum certainly could. But I don't imagine that they would be more likely than town to do so. I think of more interest is that there was only one kill. Whoever stopped the other one, props!

You don't know the set up of an Open game you're in?

then, in no way, shape, or form, is analyzing a NK something scum does in thread. What would be the point of that? Voting me for that just shows that you're looking for a lynch without foundation. Find a good reason to vote me and then I'll acknowledge it a little more.

Have you really never seen scum NK commentary or are you feigning ignorance?

And why did you vote Splash over Titus/Shaded at the end of the day? Both wagons were on L-3 when you voted and your case on Shaded seemed to be better than your one on the Maru slot.

VOTE: Fuzzy

I wasn't around during the end of the day? Literally, Titus was lynched while I was asleep. I never got to state my opinion on the matter. Saying I would've voted Titus yesterday means nothing, so this point is null. I left my vote where I thought it should be. That's that.

I'd expect a 1-1-4 scenario if anything.

Interesting. Pasch is probably the mafia on the wagon. bjc's read was a really good one and 544 ( above this post ) may as well be a mafia claim. Normally I wouldn't really suspect bussing Day 1, but I think Pasch came so close to lynching that she said "Fuck it, I'd rather lose a scum partner than leave the game" and went with it.

That said, if you two are the remaining mafia I'd rather lynch you over her because she feels more useful.

Bulge looks really good as a werewolf.

As for the last werewolf, the biggest wagon on Bulge yesterday was: fuzzybutternut, Paschendale, Desperado, bjc, snscompt1,

Maruchan

Splashcloud. As I said, I don't

normally

consider a Day 1 bus to be a thing so that leaves wickedestjr, Bins, and and Not_Mafia. Bulge tunneled really hard on Not_Mafia so we can knock him off the list plus his play is awesome. I don't have a scum read on wickedestjr or Bins, and Bulge didn't vote either. I like that Bins voted Bulge on 253. It wasn't a wagon that was going to go anywhere at the time of her vote but it was well past RVS and the reason was decent imo. Wickedestjr's "I'm surprised I'm still alive" in 517 is weird to me but

probably

maybe not scummy. Either way they are both very active and that is many days away. And all of this paragraph is based on Bulge flipping Werewolf. If he doesn't then back to square one we go... well, square one minus one mafia team.

tl;dr:

Paschendale

,

fuzzybutternut

,

The Bulge

. All these people need to die. More votes on fuzzy plz.

PS: bjc was town as fuck and his reads were super good. He had ShadedMelee, Bulge, Pasch picked out super fast. If all 3 flip scum then the town owes him a ton for the upcoming win.

You say bulge looks really good as a werewolf, and then you vote me. You do realize that werewolves are a bigger threat than mafia, right? By not voting who you think is werewolf, you're actually a hindrance to the town.

VOTE: Unsight

The bus is real with this one.

[fuzzybutternut]

In my mind, even mindlessly sheeping is still better than hindering town completely. I hate when people don't do anything and expect to just get by with it.

[fuzzybutternut]

Put aside the OMGUS and help me answer two questions:

1) If Bulge is Wolf 1, who looks good as Wolf 2?
2) If Bulge is not a Wolf, whose votes look opportunistic from yesterday's wagons?

1.) Not OMGUS. Learn what OMGUS means and then get back to me.

2.) Assuming Bulge is a wolf, you look fantastic as the other wolf right now.

3.) If Bulge is not a wolf, I'd have to go back and re-read.

If-then scenarios do absolutely nothing unless we pursue one of the options.

[fuzzybutternut]

I do agree with your suspicion on SNS, though. Not enough to sway me, but alas. Tis life.

[fuzzybutternut]

Will post here tomorrow. Ive had 2 hours of sleep in 2 days. Hooray.

[fuzzybutternut]

^I feel like you just threw up WIFOM in a bucket and tossed it everywhere.

[fuzzybutternut]

^I feel like you just threw up WIFOM in a bucket and tossed it everywhere.

Where is the WIFOM? I talked about town softclaims, not fakeclaims...

I'm an idiot and shouldn't post here when I'm drunk.

I read that as "This is what I would do as town vs this is what I would do as scum"

*sigh*

[fuzzybutternut]

Okay, why are we calling out softclaims? Like, someone please, PLEASE tell me the town motivation behind that?

[fuzzybutternut]

Again with the voting Mafia reads over WW reads.

Sns replacement came in and basically gave reads that everyone else had already given. Not sure how I feel about him right now.

Not sure how I feel about the bulge wagon either...tempted to vote him, but I want a VC first.

[fuzzybutternut]

I think he was refering to me before I switched my vote to TheBulge.

Dingdingding.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm in awe.

Don't be. It's a pretty weak post filled with "Unsight is confident in her reads ergo scum" and "Unsight provides information ergo scum." Lots of null tells painted as scum tells and far too many words saying far too little.

That was a pretty damn strong post imo.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'd like to note that I'll be less active due to personal IRL stuff that I've been dealing with these past few days. I'll attempt to poke my head in ever so often, but no garuntees. I might have periods were I can post a lot even, so I'm just letting y'all know just in case.

I don't think it's enough for me to replace out tho, but I might have to if it gets too bad.

also, this. Hence my recent inactivity.

[fuzzybutternut]

This day keeps dragging on.
VOTE: Bulge
Sleep tight, sweet prince.

[fuzzybutternut]

So many replacements this game ;-;

[fuzzybutternut]

Unsight AND TheBulge were innocent? That's surprising. o_0

I'd have to agree here. I was certain Bulge was WW.

[fuzzybutternut]

Wow. CC already? That could've waited a day or two.

I've had an itching suspicion on Desperado, but I haven't exactly read wicked as town either...

One of wicked is WW/Mafia, I can guarantee it.

Bins, why exactly am I scum again?

[fuzzybutternut]

Desperado, Wicked - Please tell us what nights you "investigated" your targets.

[fuzzybutternut]

i'm pretty sure you're trolling now that everyone thinks that

First rule of mafia is to never openly admit every read you have, unless you're about to be lynched.

[fuzzybutternut]

I don't know what to think here, tbh.

[fuzzybutternut]

Alright, so, despite inherent WIFOM, I've been looking at Klick (shaded) as possible WW, but I haven't really found anything from the slot that really speaks WW to me. The way Desperado tunneled on the slot right around his death is odd and I can't really make anything out of it. Could Klick be WW, I see no reason to rule that out.

Riddletons latest post kind of worries me a bit. Lynching someone other than WW today gives them another NK, meaning tomorrow it would be a 1v1v2, assuming we lynched mafia today and they didn't kill the other tonight. I'd feel a hell of a lot safer going into tomorrow knowing there are no more WWs and that town have the advantage.

[fuzzybutternut]

ie. we wouldn't lose because then WWs can lynch the next most likely suspect. Every part of this plan -- no matter what we do -- rests on Fuzzy being mafia. If that's wrong we lose, except in the situation where we kill fuzzy

wat

You're willing to take a gamble on town losing when we could simply not lynch anyone and go into tomorrow with more information than we had today?

Where's the town motivation behind that?

[fuzzybutternut]

There's no "gamble" here; we effectively get two shots to sort out who is mafia. If we get one wrong (say you are town), the WWs have another chance to find the mafia so they do not win.

No lynching sucks. I'm not no lynching.

"Let's put towns fate into WW's hands."

Yeah, no. Sorry buddy. That's not a town mindset.

[fuzzybutternut]

Why the fuck do you want to no lynch?

Lynching today risks us losing two townies. *TWO TOWNIES* Do you follow that? See how many townies are alive right now? *3*
Know what happens if two townies die? Town loses.

[fuzzybutternut]

no lynching gives 3/5 chance (60%) for mafia to win

You're basing this "math" without taking in consideration exactly who dies tonight. What if they kill mafia? Then it's pretty much insta-win for town.

[fuzzybutternut]

There's no "gamble" here; we effectively get two shots to sort out who is mafia. If we get one wrong (say you are town), the WWs have another chance to find the mafia so they do not win.

No lynching sucks. I'm not no lynching.

"Let's put towns fate into WW's hands."

Yeah, no. Sorry buddy. That's not a town mindset.

hypocrite

I'm sorry? You do know what that word means, right?

[fuzzybutternut]

*cough*

[fuzzybutternut]

That's why I presented other reasons why Klick and Riddleton aren't WW other than Desp's fakeclaim.

Which were?

I have one town read and then one mafia read in Fuzzy but Riddleton's sudden aggression in pushing it makes me tentative but I still lean to Fuzzy with his interactioin with the Shaded and Maruchan wagons. So I feel like one of Fuzzy and Riddleton are mafia, and if one gets lynched today and flips town

the other should be the NK

if there is one.

VOTE: Fuzzy

What exactly gives you the credibility to direct NKs?

[fuzzybutternut]

Secondly, why would you rather keep a WW alive than have no NKs period?

[fuzzybutternut]

What exactly gives you the credibility to direct NKs?

I don't even know how to respond to this to be honest. What's your problem with me saying my mafia read if you flip town, it's not like the wolf is beholden to what I say, if we mislynch today and then have a town NK, we lose.

Secondly, why would you rather keep a WW alive than have no NKs period?

Where have I said this?

You're trying to lynch your mafia read instead of hunting for WW's.

If we mislynch today, we lose, yes, but if we lynch WW, there's still a chance that we can win.

I have no problem with you having reads on people given certain circumstances, but I dont like the idea of you trying to direct NKs when we have no idea if you're town or not. If you were conf town, I'd have no qualms about it, but you're not.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm the only person alive right now that is confirmed not werewolf. Please tell me the logic behind lynching someone who can't kill overnight and leaving someone that can alive.

[fuzzybutternut]

What exactly gives you the credibility to direct NKs?

I don't even know how to respond to this to be honest. What's your problem with me saying my mafia read if you flip town, it's not like the wolf is beholden to what I say, if we mislynch today and then have a town NK, we lose.

Secondly, why would you rather keep a WW alive than have no NKs period?

Where have I said this?

You're trying to lynch your mafia read instead of hunting for WW's.

If we mislynch today, we lose, yes, but if we lynch WW, there's still a chance that we can win.

I have no problem with you having reads on people given certain circumstances, but I dont like the idea of you trying to direct NKs when we have no idea if you're town or not. If you were conf town, I'd have no qualms about it, but you're not.

I'm not confident in any wolf read to pursue it today, we went over this earlier in the day

so because you're not immediately sure who the wolf is, you'd rather lynch THE ONE PERSON who is confirmed NOT WEREWOLF, and go into tomorrow with NO KNOWLEDGE whatsoever. Makes sense.

[fuzzybutternut]

Personally I'd learn a lot from your flip

This is a team game. You can't play for yourself. You have to think about what's best for town. Being the only confirmed not WW, I'm probably going to die tonight anyway.

[fuzzybutternut]

The activity in this game is dropping so much and I have no idea why. ;-;

I'm fairly certain NM is town. Tunnely town, but town nonetheless.
Riddleton doesn't sit right with me, but I can't put my finger on why.
NM

could

be masking, but I doubt it.

If I really had to guess, I'd say Pasch as WW, NM as town, Bins as town, Unsight as Mafia and Klick as Mafia2, but, as I said, that's just a guess.

[fuzzybutternut]

The activity in this game is dropping so much and I have no idea why. ;-;

I'm fairly certain NM is town. Tunnely town, but town nonetheless.
Riddleton doesn't sit right with me, but I can't put my finger on why.
NM

could

be masking, but I doubt it.

If I really had to guess, I'd say Pasch as WW, NM as town, Bins as town, Unsight as Mafia and Klick as Mafia2, but, as I said, that's just a guess.

EBWOP: Unsight should be Riddleton. I have no idea why I confused the two. Possibly because lack of sleep. /shrug

[fuzzybutternut]

I think it's safer to kill mafia. If we have to kill a WW though I agree NM is probably the most likrly

You're incredibly dense. I want you to know that.

[fuzzybutternut]

Happy birthday though

[fuzzybutternut]

What was your case on Riddleton again, NM?

[fuzzybutternut]

6 people alive...little to no action....


guise pls

[fuzzybutternut]

What was your case on Riddleton again, NM?

You tell me. You're the one he's bussing

...you honestly think he's bussing me? How in the hell...

why

would he buss me

right now

if we were scum partners. What kind of logic is that? There would be absolutely no point in doing that. I've already stated that I'm

almost assuredly

going to die tonight. Why would he buss me if I'm basically already dead. That's down right suicidal to do as scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

I just..I really want to say that it's all a coincidence, but..I really don't know..

He may be scum..I'd really need to look closer to really tell, I guess. I'll do that either tonight or tomorrow, depending on how tired I am/how long my girlfriend wants to stay up tonight.

Until then, can I get a list of everyone's reads, please?

[fuzzybutternut]

I'd bet cold hard cash that one of Riddleton/NM is scum, if not both.

[fuzzybutternut]

Until then, can I get a list of everyone's reads, please?

two days left people. We've had zero information today.

[fuzzybutternut]

._. can we come to a consensus on who we're lynching today please?

[fuzzybutternut]

Fuzzy, tell me what you need me to do to convince you Not_Mafia is most likely the woof woof.

I just can't see NM as werewolf, but you guys are probably right...I don't know what to think.
If all else fails, we can lynch NM today and the rest will be in towns hands tomorrow.

[fuzzybutternut]

Aegor, bud, you have 1 day to do what your slot hasn't done in the past 6. Please don't let us down.

[fuzzybutternut]

...are you stupid?


"I'm going to die tonight anyway"

There's no point in wasting a lynch on me.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm going to a party tonight (my cousin is turning 22, I'll probs be drunk), so I won't really be around much.

Seriously, be smart about this. I don't give two shits if you think I'm scum or not. I'm

guaranteed

not Werewolf, meaning SOMEONE out there can still kill something. If we lynch WW today, you can lynch me tomorrow for all I care, but I'm not the correct lynch today.

[fuzzybutternut]

Oh hey, this is open now.
I, too, will look at this tomorrow. I've been on skype for 24 hours. I deserve sleep.

[fuzzybutternut]

I want to lynch fuzzy.

Objections?

I've no objections to lynching Fuzzy.

[fuzzybutternut]

EBWOP: Why? Give me three reasons why I'm the proper lynch today. I'm more set on lynching Aegor based off yesterdays play.
Clicked submit instead of preview. ;-;

[fuzzybutternut]

Unless Pasch can tell me why, I do not care that his ISO read of NM led to a scumread. Again, there seems to be no case. Your own scumread stems from a flawed and tenuous night kill analysis.

I am more concerned about NM's reaction to the wagon on him.

^This right here proves that you had no interest in pursuing his lynch, meaning you didn't find him as mafia, yet you still hammered him.
You spent the entire day yesterday trying to advocate my lynch, saying that you "didn't think NM was as scummy as me," yet, when it came time for NM to be lynched, you were right there to do it. And then, after the hammer, you tried to push the blame onto someone else in the event he wasn't scum.

i.e. You're scum, and you should be todays lynch.

I shouldn't have to ISO anyone to find out your reads. If your reads are strong enough, you should have no problem saying them.

[fuzzybutternut]

You thought it was possible he was WW but you'd still rather lynch someone you thought was mafia.. cool, so you are scum.

I think...

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Why is Desp wolf and not just scum? And you're saying this is a shit lynch because there was no resistance, when I've pointed out why it should have gone through with no resistance and how this says nothing about the wagon itself. Bulge will be lynch fodder and a sticking point for every day he's still here, and we could have assumed a mafia kill like 4 pages ago, instead we're splitting wagons multiple times for no apparent reason.

If he flips town, it is on you. I wanted obvmaf fuzzy.

^Here's the "false" part. If you can't see the problem there, you should re-read.


So you're saying your reads haven't changed since the last time you posted them? How can that be if you're actively scum-hunting?

[fuzzybutternut]

What are you even talking about? Why would mafia not want to eliminate the only faction that is capable of nightkilling them

Precisely

.

This is what I said

all day yesterday

.

You specifically said "NM

could

be a werewolf, but I'd rather lynch this guy, who

could

be mafia. The fact that you would rather lynch a suspected mafia over a suspected werewolf in a setup like this is scummy as hell. You'd rather leave someone who has a nightkill alive than someone who can't do anything, ever.


Your reads

should

change if you're actively scum hunting properly. Regardless of where your actual vote ends, your reads should fluctuate,

unless you know something someone else doesn't

. You've basically tunneled on me since you joined this game, giving no chance that anyone else could be possible scum. If you're going to claim town, at least play like one.

[fuzzybutternut]

Bins and I, the rather uncontested town, should probably vote last, after everyone else. That way there can't be a coordinated quicklynch. Since two out of the three other players are scum, there can't be an opportunity for a quicklynch unless someone votes for themself. Not seeing that happen.


Bins and I, the rather uncontested town, should probably vote last, after everyone else. That way there can't be a coordinated quicklynch. Since two out of the three other players are scum, there can't be an opportunity for a quicklynch unless someone votes for themself. Not seeing that happen.

I agree with this.

[fuzzybutternut]

Why should my reads fluctuate?
Why? Please explain why reads should change.

Do you not understand how to play this game? As town, you have to look at

everyone

as possible scum. You can't spend two whole days looking at

one

person and expect everyone to just believe you when you say "oh, this guy's scum. sheep me for victories." Yeah, it doesn't work like that. In fact, your hesitance to even acknowledge Riddleton makes me think you two

are

the last two scum.

You did not give NM a chance. You said "Oh, I

guess

he could be scum, but I'm going to tunnel on Fuzzy more."

You clearly don't understand this setup. No one has more incentive to lynch anyone more than anyone else.

Everyone

has to scumhunt if they want to win. Town has to do more work to win, but their incentive isn't any greater than anyone elses. The lack of work you've been doing proves to me that you

are

scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

EBWOP: First two lines should be in quotes but fuck it.

[fuzzybutternut]

I have gone through Riddleton's ISO. I see nothing scummy in it, and I agree completely with him that the most likely scum pair is fuzzy/Pasch.

Anyone who thinks Riddleton is scum is more than welcome to explain why, so I can understand the thinking.

of course you haven't seen anything. He hasn't

done

anything.
at all.

[fuzzybutternut]

as far as the previous argument, I'm done with it. It's like talking to a brick wall, honestly. All you've done is dismiss everything I've said. The most likely scum pair is Aegor/Riddleton. I very seriously doubt Pasch and Bins are scum, just based off the way they're playing today. I'll likely read over them some more when I actually get the chance, but I don't really have the time right now. I believe Aegor is who we should lynch today, unless Riddleton actually has something he'd like to do other than, well, nothing. The worst possible thing we could have in a LYLO situation is someone who doesn't contribute at all.

[fuzzybutternut]

Only if we were more sure about the WW than the mafia.

Uhh, town can't be certain of anything. If you're town, you're basically guessing. NM was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, that's why he was lynched. No matter which way you look at it, lynching WW was, and will always be, more important to town in that situation.

[fuzzybutternut]

Only if we were more sure about the WW than the mafia.

Uhh, town can't be certain of anything. If you're town, you're basically guessing. NM was the most likely candidate for being a wolf, that's why he was lynched. No matter which way you look at it, lynching WW was, and will always be, more important to town in that situation.

Please, informed guesses.

informed guesses, yes, but it's still essentially guessing. Once the seer dies, you only have the information they provided and anything else you can gather up based off play. VT's will never know for a fact who is what role unless another role tells them.

[fuzzybutternut]

You seem not to be reading my posts. Ceteris paribus, certainly lynching the WW is ideal for town. But things were not equal, and people did not necessarily feel equally certain about their WW and Maf candidates. Had we mislynched, town could have basically been out of the game. It was more important to lynch scum than the WW.

Oh, I'm reading your posts very clearly. I'm well aware of what would happen

if

we mislynched, but lynching the WW is the best course of action we could have taken yesterday.

Not

lynching the only person who was guaranteed

not Werewolf

. That's what YOU aren't understanding. If we hadn't lynched WW yesterday, town would be down one/two people anyway.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm still OK with fuzzy being lynched.

Welcome back, Beetlejuice. Wanna actually do something now or...?

[fuzzybutternut]

didn't have anything constructive to add.

You kinda haven't had anything constructive to add, oh, I don't know, ever?

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm glad someone agrees.

[fuzzybutternut]

lol wat.

[fuzzybutternut]

We need all votes on fuzzy. Then pasch tomorrow.

...are you dense?

And where the hell did I say you were "bussing" me?

I think you're scum because 1.) You haven't done shit but try to push a lynch on me (similar to what Aegor has been doing) for no reason. 2.) You've barely even acknowledged Aegor's existence this entire game, i.e distancing yourself from your scum buddy, and it's just sooooooo convenient that you both have the exact same reads. I think you both need to work on your scum play.


pedit: Coasting through the game?
Thanks for admitting you're scum.
cause that's exactly what you're doing right now. Coasting.

[fuzzybutternut]

fuzzy, my push on you is not without reason.


And I would tentatively be fine lynching Riddleton. At any rate, it seems that at least one of Riddleton/fuzzy is scum.

I didn't say your push was without reason. Hence why that part comes after the parenthesis. However, riddleton has absolutely no reasoning behind his wanting to lynch me.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not throwing down votes in LYLO. Too risky.

P-edit: How can you be so certain of someone's alignment?

[fuzzybutternut]

...are you sure you know how to play this game?

[fuzzybutternut]

fuzzy, scum had time to hammer you yesterday and today. For that reason, one of you is probably scum. After Riddleton's recent reappearance and preemptive aggression, I am less certain of anything than I was before.

..if scum took the chance to hammer every time they got it, town would always win.

[fuzzybutternut]

It wasn't lylo yesterday.

[fuzzybutternut]

..that would require extreme coordination between the two. That's damn near impossible to do without having outside communication. You can't say someone is scum because both scum weren't on at the exact same time to hammer yesterday. That's stupid.

[fuzzybutternut]

But that's neither here nor there. I understand the point you're trying to make, but I don't believe it's as probable as you believe it is.

[fuzzybutternut]

Are you sure enough that Riddleton is scum to vote him? What is your list of scumspects?

Based off his play here, I'm fairly certain he's scum now. Riddleton and aegor seem to be the best possible scum team at the moment. Bins and Pasch are town without a doubt. Like I said before, I don't really want to vote anyone right now. not in the situation we're in. As it stands right now, he's my highest scum suspect.

[fuzzybutternut]

You're voting before Bins and I do.

fair enough. I don't have a problem with that.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not throwing down votes in LYLO. Too risky.

Yet you say you're certian that it's Aegor and Riddleton?

I find them to be the two most likely partners and I'm sure at least one of them, if not both, is scum. I'd rather have a decent idea of who the partner is before i lay down any votes.

[fuzzybutternut]

The first game I played with you. You didn't coordinate on anywhere near that level.

Play styles change though. Aegor has been on this site for a long time. I'm fairly certain he's changed playstyles several times.

[fuzzybutternut]

Can you link this game Pasch?

[fuzzybutternut]

Alright, since I'm fairly certain it's Riddleton/Aegor now....

VOTE: Riddleton

I'm more certain that Riddleton is scum than I am about Aegor, and since this day isn't going anywhere without my vote, well, yeah.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm here. Sleep has been my weakness lately. Not fun, trust me.

Riddleton is begging for people to listen to him, but he's not saying anything of merit.

I'm certain Riddleton is scum. Aegor, I'm less certain of, but I'm still pretty sure the scum team is Riddleton/Aegor. I really really really can't see Riddleton/anyone else. It just doesn't make sense.

That's my 10 cents. I'll be here throughout the night.

[fuzzybutternut]

You've been saying the same things all day. It's kinda redundant at this point.

[fuzzybutternut]

You don't read, do you?

[fuzzybutternut]

GG fellas.

[fuzzybutternut]

Bins I <3 you.

[fuzzybutternut]

Pasch I <3 you too bby. <3

[fuzzybutternut]

Titus, if you're watching, I <3 you too.

[fuzzybutternut]

Twilight is a beautiful time of day, don't you think Aegor?

[fuzzybutternut]

^.^ well done Bins.

Titus, get in here! I've missed playing with you

[fuzzybutternut]

Agreed. Thank you Mist. This turned out to be a lot more fun that I had originally anticipated.

[fuzzybutternut]

Bins, do you wanna post the Scum QT or should I?

[fuzzybutternut]

Thanks Bulge. I have no idea how I survived as long as I did. I was thoroughly convinced coming into this day that I was going to be lynched, but I guess I managed to avoid it. Bins did great, though. I think it was Pasch's unwillingness to lynch me that won us the game.

[fuzzybutternut]

Fuzzy, we did it, even with all our - mostly my, oops - lamenting in the QT about how screwed we were. I'm really, really glad we were a team together. It was a lot of fun.

Hey, you were the town read here. You did most of it. I was just here to lay down votes.

[fuzzybutternut]

Fuck. You guys better look at Desperado and Not_Mafia tomorrow.

Okay, why are we calling out softclaims? Like, someone please, PLEASE tell me the town motivation behind that?

Yikes. Look at fuzzy tomorrow too. This tells me you at least somewhat believed that I could be seer. Why so quick to hammer without asking for a hard claim?

ahem

3/4

To be fair, I was honestly wondering why they were calling out softclaims. Even if I did believe you were Seer, that's just not something anyone should do. If you see a softclaim, acknowledge it silently and wait until they claim. Bringing attention to PR's is generally bad for town.

[fuzzybutternut]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/672awfHhUTSAh

Scum QT.

[fuzzybutternut]

My favorite part of this entire game was Bins' floundering in QT. It was amazing how much she floundered there but managed to keep her composure here.

[fuzzybutternut]

Good job, scumteam! So I was right about fuzzy. =/

<3 I'm always scum, even when I'm not scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm just amazed that Fuzzy made it to end game.

He should have been dead the moment the last wolf got the rope.

Well, to be fair, that was pretty close to end game. If Wicked hadn't cleared me as WW, I would've been dead way before then.

[fuzzybutternut]

Not gonna lie, that made me really sad. :/
I liked Bins.

[fuzzybutternut]

I am too. I hope she comes back and learns her lesson or whatever. She's really fun to play with.