saving myself from your play style.
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I personally hate as a player night start games. Anyone who signs up looking forward to playing the game dies N0 and all that excitement to play is shut down without a word.farside22, what's your opinion on day vs night start for this setup?
If that player is in a game I modded it does help but it's just like being a player in a game you start to establish meta on certain types of players. Some are easier to read then others of course.@farside22: Does your modding help you get a better read on people when you play a game?
farside22 wrote:
@Everyone: what is the best way to get out of RVS stage?
my answer: Usually I find something to fight with someone about even something minor.
Here's an example: Why did Excedrin vote for McGriddle for not voting when he didn't post in the game at that point?
There isn't always logic but saying someone didn't vote when they didn't post and then he doesn't vote when he comes on I have to wonder about it.Best way is an early wagon.
Does a random vote have to be logical? What do you think about McGriddle's reaction?
You said you liked the RVS stage. Plus I haven't seen you ask questions to anyone at this stage to try and get out of it.DiscoRoboto wrote:I didn't advise to stay in RVS.
It's obvious that you are getting scumtells just because you disregard the context. How do you get out of RVS if there's nothing to talk about?
Guess this is the way out right now though.
McGriddle wrote:Why would I want to do that?farside22 wrote:McGriddle why are you asking Disco this question right now? Are you trying to role fish and looking for the PR in this game?
Mcgriddle this is the second time you asked about a PR. What information are you hoping to gather that isn't some how scum related with this role fishing?McGriddle wrote: @Water_foul: What would you do if your number 1 suspect who was at L-1 suddenly claimed a PR?
You said obv scum during a random joke/ vote that you are now saying was a serious comment apparent? Your wording on the first paragraph is confusingExcedrin wrote:It's odd that you're putting so much emphasis on a random/joke vote. Also, I already said that McGriddle was obvscum, it would be lucky if my random vote landed on scum tho.farside22 wrote:excedrin: Your asking my opinion of mcgriddle while not giving one of your own. I find players asking others view points are scum motivated as why would anyone town ask another player their view point on a player they havent' said boo about.
Serious note, my thought about McGriddle's response was that it's slightly defensive when there's no reason to be. He didn't reply with anything to advance the game.
Do you think that all opinions should be shared at all times? Would a constantly updated scum/town list with reasons be a good idea?
Then please explain better what you are saying here:farside22, it was a comment with the same weight as the vote. Looks like selective reading on your part.
You asked my view of McGriddle then you say here after I said I don't like giving people reads of others without seeing their view first. Your saying your obvscum was your comment but it wasn't serious.It's odd that you're putting so much emphasis on a random/joke vote. Also, I already said that McGriddle was obvscum, it would be lucky if my random vote landed on scum tho.
Okay so you asked me about his reaction but didn't say what you thought about it in your postDoes a random vote have to be logical? What do you think about McGriddle's reaction?
My appologies for missing this and grilling you for it later.Serious note, my thought about McGriddle's response was that it's slightly defensive when there's no reason to be. He didn't reply with anything to advance the game.
Odd. Lots of assumption but into this post. Why assume wrong answers and mislynch with the questions.McGriddle wrote:I think the questions are great, they spark discussion, the only downside is that they can spark a wrong answer and lead to a mislynch.
Can I just asked why you typed it that way?DiscoRoboto wrote:Lol@you people seeing that as a scumtell.
Seriously, what the fuck? Do you really think a scum would say 'HEY GUYS IM SEPERATED FROM THE TOWN YO' n stuff? Nah, not even subtle.
The point is that I don't see why scum would do this rather then town. Because a townie is part of the town? Stop joking with me, lol.
Like I said just odd. I don't see it as a scumtell as it's obvious the and is cap'ed and who (scum wise) is that dumb.DiscoRoboto wrote:It looks idiotic, doesn't it?
Fits the theme.
So what is your view on people or do you feel anyone is scummy for any reason at this point?Light wrote:@Light: So basically 'no comment' on anything? What would you do to move us out of random voting, questioning, and commenting?
i did not say "no comment on anything". Aren't we moving out of RVS now? it seems so.
Please get off your high horse it's really annoying.DiscoRoboto wrote:Adam is He-man, ofcourse.
In either way, yeah I do ridicule. I don't in later stages, but if you want me gone before that, go ahead and try to convince everyone.
Posting fluff? Oh sorry, I'll just stop defending myself if you think it's fluff.
I think DJ needs to start sharing input instead of gliding by while others argue.DiscoRoboto wrote:Aye aye sir.
So, who do people suggest we investigate right now?
don_johnson wrote:not entirely, no. i feel like his post has helped put me into a precarious and awkward position. i don't really know how to handle it. his intentions are extremely cloudy. if he is town, all he has done is help scum with his posting. i don't know how to further extrapolate without revealing info that could damage town. i feel as though my most logical resource is to push his lynch but i cannot entirely explain myself without saying what i feel may be too much. as i said, the most important job for town is to keep the masons hidden as long as possible. his play is potentially outing one of the masons(if not more), unprovoked, on day 1. its a horrible play regardless of alignment.
I read what he said and I find it astounding your voting on him. I think what he did was a trap and it caught you. your vote on him where there is no counter claim or comment against it makes me believe you are jumpy scum that just took the bait.don_johnson wrote:^^ your lack of explanation is astounding. didn't you criticize an earlier vote i made in a similar fashion? how is it scummy to say "his actions are only helping scum"? how do you think his actions helped town? he is playing around with town's only advantage. we have no doc, no cop, no jailkeep, no vig. we have masons and masons alone. how does outing one or more masons on day 1 completely unprovoked help town in any way, shape or form?
seeing this I'm curious to know if WF would put Disco at l-1.water_foul wrote:Yes only because I would like the day to run it's course, at this point I am pretty sure you are scum but instead of hammering you and cutting the day short I still think there is much to gain from a longer day.DiscoRoboto wrote:As in, you will vote me if it won't hammer?I will be voting DiscoRoboto after a votecount,
I'm not seeing why explaining your self is bad for the town.DiscoRoboto wrote:Oh, just changed it up a little.hewitt wrote:I would like to point out howHewittis blatantly refusing toread what I actually meanand is nowpainting me black without providing any answer to my request. The attempt to paintme blackis sophomoric.
Besides, explaining myself would be bad for Town at this point, I think anyone with half a brain would've realised that by now.
Still waiting for someone to explain how my action was a scumtell.
I'm still in need to reread a few things but Dj's reaction to your comment and my comment is not only OMGUS it's reasonless. I find it the most scummy thing in the game right now.DiscoRoboto wrote:Even then, any role could pull that off while keeping logic intact.
So Farside, are you thinking DJ is the play today?
Post 225:"buddying" is also ridiculous. i have already laid out my stance on the strategy behind this set up. accusing me of buddying after i clearly pointed out that its a viable strategy in this set up tells me that you are not fully reading my posts.
Hi mr.scum I got caught with my hands on a gun and panic'edDJ wrote:i'm not exactly sure what's going on here. DR is acting like a jack ass. if he wants to be lynched, then i'll vote for him. tbh, i am considering replacing out of this game. i don't know what else to do here. DR seems to have some insight as to my role. he needs to explain himself at this point, but i am not sure if he should as revealing role information unprovoked on day 1 only helps scum. if he's not a mason, i am fine with lynching him. if he is a mason, then 218 is quite possibly the worst post i have ever seen on this site. in fact:
I see scum as McG, DJ and Light right now. Those would be my top 3.the name of the game is "friends and enemies". pointing out connections on day 1 is poor form. i.e. i was asked ealier about my strategy given the open set-up of a game and answered that it alters my strategy. most important thing for town to do is keep the mason's hidden as long as possible. with a three mason team we need to realize that there are two informed minority's and not just one. further, the accusations of "buddying" are not all that applicable in this set-up either. as the masons need to try and hide their identities and the identities of their partners, so to do vanilla's need to "act" like they are masons in order to draw nks away from the real mason team thereby increasing the chances of a town win.
More wondering or if it's scum trying to be subtle to another scum member to fake claim mason.DiscoRoboto wrote:1: It was just a RV. I didn't think while posting it, heh.
2: Only if they're stupid.
Shoot.The interaction between mcg asking disco about claiming mason and disco's little dance with DJ leaves me all sorts of questions now.
townies get frustrated but from going to hey all is cool and right to stating you want to replace after Disco's comment. That's one comment. That doesn't look like town frustration at all comment. I've dealt with the like's of empking thru many an argument now that's frustration.how so? townies don't get frustrated?
Did you not even read what I wrote? You quoted it. I said going from cool to I wanted to replace based on one person is scummy.Excedrin wrote:So frustration isn't scummy. OK. Note also that everyone has their own limits.farside22 wrote:townies get frustrated but from going to hey all is cool and right to stating you want to replace after Disco's comment. That's one comment. That doesn't look like town frustration at all comment. I've dealt with the like's of empking thru many an argument now that's frustration.how so? townies don't get frustrated?
What part of his post seemed like panic?
I had almost the same reaction that don_johnson had (I wasn't as frustrated), I don't think his reaction is scummy at all and his frustration seems genuine.
He went from defending to basically freaking out in my view.dj wrote:i'm not exactly sure what's going on here. DR is acting like a jack ass. if he wants to be lynched, then i'll vote for him. tbh, i am considering replacing out of this game. i don't know what else to do here. DR seems to have some insight as to my role. he needs to explain himself at this point, but i am not sure if he should as revealing role information unprovoked on day 1 only helps scum. if he's not a mason, i am fine with lynching him. if he is a mason, then 218 is quite possibly the worst post i have ever seen on this site. in fact:
don_johnson wrote: farside: what are you talking about? what "edge"? and why are you cherry picking that particular quote?
DJ wrote:how so? townies don't get frustrated?
far wrote:He went from defending to basically freaking out in my view.
I think he did it for reaction. I don't know what is in one mind. I have seen players say something to see what type of reaction they get for making a comment.@Farside: Why would Disco have to claim in your logic? That is the major gap I'm looking at for the defense on Disco.
Well if your reading only one line out of a post no wonder you don't follow my explanation.Excedrin wrote:lol, maybe statements like this one are why I don't follow your explanation.farside22 wrote: I explained it just fine. I even showed Dj's post and what Disco said. That doesn't not equal fustrated town at all.
If you never saw it happen why state that we should look at the buddying and question players that buddy to others on day 1?don_johnson wrote:never said i had games where the mason's buddied. my theory is based on how i think the gamefarside22 wrote:DJ: Link to games you found were the mason's buddied.shouldbe played. i don't think mason's would make a concerted efforttobuddy. the idea is that a vanilla townie defending someone under attack would be mistaken for a mason and then nk'd, thus leaving the mason team untouched. not sure why this is so difficult for you. i didn't like the attacks on disco. i defended him. he claimed to be a mason unnecessarily. now he has backtracked, lied, and has utterly failed to explain any of his actions. do you feel that you are tunneling at this point?
Why should we not consider buddying on day 1? Your theory is only in your head (if it actually exsist) I already and you agreed that mason don't normally buddy up anyways.i didn't say that. in fact, i said the exact opposite. i said "buddying" was not something which should be considered scummy on day 1. only until after a couple flips should it even be looked at, and then with a grain of salt.
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE TUNNELING? DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN FOR THE FACT THAT DISCO HAS NOT EXPLAINED HIMSELF AND THAT HE IS SHIFTING BETWEEN THREE SEPARATE AND COMPLETELY UNSUBSTANTIATED EXPLANATIONS AS TO WHY HE MADE HIS STATEMENT?
no. we don't agree there.
farside22 wrote:
DJ: Link to games you found were the mason's buddied.
If you never saw it then how do you know it exsist?don_johnson wrote:
never said i had games where the mason's buddied. my theory is based on how i think the game should be played. i don't think mason's would make a concerted effort to buddy. the idea is that a vanilla townie defending someone under attack would be mistaken for a mason and then nk'd, thus leaving the mason team untouched. not sure why this is so difficult for you. i didn't like the attacks on disco. i defended him. he claimed to be a mason unnecessarily. now he has backtracked, lied, and has utterly failed to explain any of his actions. do you feel that you are tunneling at this point?
Why should we not look at players that are buddying up if I have never seen in a game mason's buddy before?further, the accusations of "buddying" are not all that applicable in this set-up either. as the masons need to try and hide their identities and the identities of their partners, so to do vanilla's need to "act" like they are masons in order to draw nks away from the real mason team thereby increasing the chances of a town win.
Because you said you were not going to talk about it. You ignored the question about why 1 line threw you over the edge to talk about asking to be replaced.why is it scummy for me to have defended disco from poor attacks? your initial issue with me was not because of my behavior before disco's post, but for my behavior after his post. you seem to have shifted the focus of your case
Oh lets start mocking me is this how your scum tell is DJ?i did not ignore the question.
a) the question was presented poorly.
b) i never implied or said that "one line" "threw me over the edge". that was your interpretation. for instance, how would you answer this question:
farside, why are you overreacting about my strategy?
You said it's frustrated townie. Now what is frustating and why? 3 comments drove you this quickly over the edge? Seriously?don_johnson wrote:i'm not exactly sure what's going on here. DR is acting like a jack ass. if he wants to be lynched, then i'll vote for him. tbh, i am considering replacing out of this game. i don't know what else to do here. DR seems to have some insight as to my role. he needs to explain himself at this point, but i am not sure if he should as revealing role information unprovoked on day 1 only helps scum. if he's not a mason, i am fine with lynching him. if he is a mason, then 218 is quite possibly the worst post i have ever seen on this site. in fact:
unvote, vote: discoroboto
the only way i can deal with this issue is head on.