Max: hip and rebellious.Max wrote:Err... Bandwagon Much?
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This sounds really weak to me. I can't believe that this post has you actually worried.Gheb wrote:FoS Gayle
Don't like how you encourage people to get back into the RVS when serious attempts to get us out are being made.
Yeah, I think drawing connections between players is important. Not answering the question is as noteworthy as not answering any other random question in the early game.Gheb wrote:Only players I played with before are Gayle and JacobSavage (in an ongoing game). I assume you're asking for metagame purposes? Do you expect to find any connections? Do you think not answering the question is noteworthy?
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Yeah, because "I am voting for you because your avatar is giving me the stink eye" really fosters serious conversation. For what it's worth, I think the post that has Gheb worried is a non-tell. But you are wrong about RVS.Gayle wrote:Gheb wrote:You shouldn't need to make serious attempts to get out of RVS. RVS should lead to discussion and naturally end. "Who have you played with before" is not going to lead toanything. RVS is infinitely more useful than such a pointless question.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Man I like you already.Max wrote:
Discuss what play-style I intend to use nor come to a fixation with a list of things I will and Will not do.When you say mix it up, do you have anything in particular in mind or do you just play it by ear? I mean, the not playing by meta is one consistency at least. What else do you not do?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Gayle wrote:
I wasn't. But calling an end to RVS for a question that will lead to nothing was stupid.Gheb wrote:
In the same hand you shouldn't need to discourage it either.Gayle wrote:You shouldn't need to make serious attempts to get out of RVS.
You weren't?Gayle wrote:Fuck serious, more rvs!
Oh boy you're one of "those" people. RVS is random. I mean, it's in the name. When you try to discuss those votes and get crap like this defense. And all these benefits of RVS you're talking about sound suspiciously like discussion, something that questions are going to spark. Like the way you're talking about RVS as opposed to RQS, you'd think that we put random crap in bold letters and then magically we are playing mafia. No, we do have to actually discuss things at some point. And what are we going to discuss based on the content of the following posts?Gayle wrote:
I can tell it is going to be "fun" arguing with you already. I'm not wrong. You don't discuss the avatar, you discuss the bandwagon, you purposefully pile on the bandwagon to draw reactions, you exaggerate the implications of someone's vote in order to pressure them, etc. You see who reacts to what and how.Wdjat wrote:Yeah, because "I am voting for you because your avatar is giving me the stink eye" really fosters serious conversation. For what it's worth, I think the post that has Gheb worried is a non-tell. But you are wrong about RVS.
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What in particular made you "learn better?" I mean, it's only been a couple months since your second game so surely you can point to the eureka moment.Gayle wrote:
What changed between myWdjat wrote:Gayle, what changed your opinion on RVS between Newbie 877 and this game?secondgame and now? I played in more games, I gained more experience, I realized how slow RQS is, I realized how much better RVS is, I realized how useless strategy discussion is in relation to scum hunting, and so on. In short, I learned better.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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These are valid reads. I'm inclined to think there's an ulterior motive behind Gayle's opposition.Max wrote:The following I have deduced from my questioning:
- You dislike any change in the play methods used to start gaming conversation, regardless of the fact within the second page we have more info than most games make in the first 4.
- You suffer from tunnel vision majorly. There have been several posts before each of yours with content to pick at yet you choose to respond to myself. Confirmation Bias.
These reads are both crap. The question you aimed at The1fifi wasn't really phrased in the way that you're interpreting it after he answered. And this read on kyle99 is more about best practices in regards to building cases. We're looking an RVS vote. I'm sure his thinking was something like "that guy is right above me so I'll vote him." That said, we have more to build a read from. We get a sense of their personality. And you said you didn't play by meta, you big liar.Max wrote: - kyle99 should have slow drifting scum reads rather than snap decision making. i.e. more than two pages to make his mind up on someone
- The1fifi treats mistakes and scumtells as separate when genuinely they are one and the same, for scum to be caught they must make mistakes.
Dude. RANDOM voting stage. It is for shits and giggles. That's why it's worthless.Max wrote:AND besides kyle99 has given me a scum read, why RV if an RVS means nothing? The point of RVS isn't for shits and giggles, it's so people can analyse the voting. You aren't doing that so why do you support the RVS?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Oh man. This is a "good" post. I'm "glad" I read it. I sure "hope" you makGayle wrote:Max, all of those "discoveries" are completely worthless in regards to scum hunting. The discussion didn't come from your questions, but from people arguing over RVS.
Also, your scum read on Kyle is ridiculous.
Fuck, I can only mock you for so long. It's exhausting to type like you. Here's the problem: For all your praise of early wagons as a tool for scum hunting, you're doing a crap job of it. Like I haven't seen anything that looks like scum hunting from you, just whining about R(V/Q)S. Show us how it's done.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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On the nose! You're being dishonest about your perceived value of RVS over RQS. If you actually believed in the value of RVS, you could still have gained that value while other people are asking random questions. You talk about creating bandwagons for reactions doing whatever else with votes. You can still do that while max is saying stuff you think adds nothing to the thread. But instead you jump on him for doing something that deviates from standard play and therefore he must be scum? I call bullshit.Gayle wrote:
Let's get to the point. You want to say that I'm being dishonest about my liking of RVS, correct? I've already told you that playing more games changed my opinion about it. There is no "eureka moment". Go read Teleportation Mafia Universe One if you want to see another game of mine where I echo this sentiment.Wdjat wrote:I mean, it's only been a couple months since your second game so surely you can point to the eureka moment.
Yeah you're still not showing us how it's done. Instead you're telling me that you're antagonistic and not to take it personally. I found my scum. It's you.Gayle wrote:
I would like to remind you that you are doing the same thing, sir. That is, whining instead of scum hunting.Wdjat wrote:Here's the problem: For all your praise of early wagons as a tool for scum hunting, you're doing a crap job of it. Like I haven't seen anything that looks like scum hunting from you, just whining about R(V/Q)S. Show us how it's done.
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Fair enough. I read your original comment about meta to mean you don't do the meta thing at all. I've seen these players. They're real. I was worried you'd be one of them.Max wrote:
I'm not, I metagame my opponents within a single game, I don't search for people's games then meta them on that. Meta based on the few pages of a game should be consistent throughout.These reads are both crap. The question you aimed at The1fifi wasn't really phrased in the way that you're interpreting it after he answered. And this read on kyle99 is more about best practices in regards to building cases. We're looking an RVS vote. I'm sure his thinking was something like "that guy is right above me so I'll vote him." That said, we have more to build a read from. We get a sense of their personality. And you said you didn't play by meta, you big liar.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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I don't think that alone is enough to get you worried. I mean you can see that I share your opinion about Gayle by now, but it was the way he leaned on the subject that really looked scummy to me, not that initial post.Gheb wrote:
Can't see what's wrong with it. It's not like Gayle was just voting randomly but he explicitly said "Fuck serious, more RVS". That might've been a joke but I think people should be held to what they said / did in the RVS. You can't just brush everything off as a "joke" when it happens to be convenient.Wdjat wrote:This sounds really weak to me. I can't believe that this post has you actually worried.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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That wasn't exactly my point. Gayle could have tried to create a bandwagon and looked for reactions that way while people were answering questions. RVS vs RQS is not the black and white issue that people make it out to be. The two can exist together in the early game. If Gayle had learned the value of RVS through experience after starting from the anti RVS position in his earlier games, I think his views on the subject would be a little more gray.Max wrote:
Yes gayle that is the point, your arguing with the RQS and wdjat (and myself) ended the RVS, he was saying you could still have gained info from your RVS despite the RQS.Except that the argument with you and the RQS completely stopped the RVS.
Also, I don't see how this:
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Okay. This is why I'm not a fan of FoS as a bolded thing. Its meaning is nebulous to different people.Gheb wrote:"Worried" isn't exactly the word for it. No, I'm not actually "worried" about it but it bothers me still. To me a FoS means more like "hey, people should keep that in mind for later" than "hey that's flat-out scummy". If Gayle continues to be suspicious I will be able to refer back to that point which can be helpful later on. All by itself I don't consider it a scumtell yet either.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Did I say RVS was over, because man I don't see me saying that. I mean, according to Gayle RVS is way serious, so how does saying "serious time begins now" imply that I want RVS to end?danakillsu wrote:
Alright, and btw, I'm a guy, which I have to point out in every game despite the fact that my gender is below my avatar. I think it's very scummy to immediately say the RVS is over and to back it up by saying that the RVS is useless to town. I don't believe it's useless to town at all.Elaborate
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Have you considered the post in the context of posts 5 and 6? You know, the jokes?danakillsu wrote:These two posts show your real intent in post 7.
You mean the votes on Max from Gayle and kyle99 and my vote on Gayle are just there for funsies? You don't think there's suspicions about alignment based on this argument?danakillsu wrote:You and Max seem to mostly agree against kyle99 and Gayle, who also mostly agree with each other. There's been a lot of trying to pick apart useless statements, and not a lot of actually bringing up anything to do with scumminess.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Any reactions in this thread jump out at you so far?kunkstar7 wrote:I can't really side in either the RVS or RQS as both of them work to get a game out of the beginning. Just most games use RVS. A lot of them end with a discussion of the merits of the RVS. Its all a matter of reviewing what reactions players give to these random questions or votes.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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So figuring out the reasoning behind people's votes that stand behind as legitimate scumhunting is a waste of time?danakillsu wrote:
You guys might have some reason that only you know for drawing battle lines, but I don't see any of them. That's what I'm saying. Now let's stop discussing what I don't see as tells and start trying to actually find someone scummy.You mean the votes on Max from Gayle and kyle99 and my vote on Gayle are just there for funsies? You don't think there's suspicions about alignment based on this argument?
Oh man, Encyclopedia Brown is on the case! Look at that detective work! I'm disappointed to see it not being put to use on like any other post in the thread, though.danakillsu wrote:
Absolutely. But I see you true motives in post 7 from the posts I quoted earlier. You weren't just saying "let's stop joking", you were saying "let's leave the RVS".Have you considered the post in the context of posts 5 and 6? You know, the jokes?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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I'm not going to tell people what I want to hear, they'll just say that. The posts I quoted contain important points that I think should be discussed further, but it's the folks making these stances solidify what they're saying by backing it up with something.kunkstar7 wrote:
I find this post completely useless. You provide no direction as to what kind of elaboration you are requesting.Wdjat wrote:
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You've got to be kidding me. wdjat was NOT pressuring me for reads on other people, he was pressuring me for why I was voting for him.Why is pressuring you for your reads not searching for scummy? As it were I find that you trying to diverge away from that point is suspicious, as it can be a scumtell, you might be avoiding the situation because its your partner under suspicion. Just because you might not see a scumtell in it doesn't mean others might not, and trying to just get away from it doesn't look good.
That wasn't rhetorical.Wdjat wrote:
So figuring out the reasoning behind people's votes that stand behind as legitimate scumhunting is a waste of time?danakillsu wrote:
You guys might have some reason that only you know for drawing battle lines, but I don't see any of them. That's what I'm saying. Now let's stop discussing what I don't see as tells and start trying to actually find someone scummy.You mean the votes on Max from Gayle and kyle99 and my vote on Gayle are just there for funsies? You don't think there's suspicions about alignment based on this argument?
Okay, you believe that looking for scum motivation on either side of the "battle lines" is a waste of time. Tell me why. Do you think going after JacobSavage is going to be more fruitful? Why's that?danakillsu wrote:This looks like a bad excuse to continue exactly what I just said was pointless. I'm going to leave wdjat for now, though, because I'm really annoyed by JacobSavage's lack of involvement here.unvote vote:JacobSavagemecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Oh man, if we are going to talk about wording as little as "reads" vs "read," let's talk about your post.danakillsu wrote:Well, look. Suddenly "reads" changes to "read". And you call it the same thing.
Why is something which you said "reeks scum" suddenly not a big deal? Your votes thus far this thread (discounting RVS) have been against someone you perceive to be a bully in the thread, then the most recently posted lurker. You're going for easy lynches. But wait, there's more!danakillsu wrote:Pressuring for a single read on him is not the same as pressuring for all of my reads. I already have explained my reason for voting for him originally. Stop making such a big deal out of this.
Firstly, focusing attention on a player is not scummy. Secondly, "look scummy" is a really ooky choice of words. If someone looks scummy, why are you warning them? And wouldn't you just say they're being scummy? This word choice sounds like you actually know he's town. And for the grand finale:danakillsu wrote:You're making yourself look scummy by trying to make me the focus of everyone's attention
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Sorry, that should read "the folks making these stancesWdjat wrote:The posts I quoted contain important points that I think should be discussed further, but it's the folks making these stances solidify what they're saying by backing it up with something.shouldsolidify"
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What about Gayle's vote? Do you think the motivation behind these votes was playstyle disagreement or do you think there's scum in those votes?tatetothetot wrote:So far, I am liking Max. I am not saying that he is town but his posts definitely keep the game going and start new discussions. What I dislike is people reactions to his posts. He asks pointless questions to keep people active and prods people who post for more information. Lurkers don't like this tactic and tend to disagree and vote for him thus what Lowell and Kyle did.
At the time you posted this, I think The1fifi was the only person voting Lowell. What's your read on him?tatetothetot wrote:I would be joining the Lowell wagon until I realized who was on it. Now that Lowell is being put in the spot light, people are changing their minds and voting for him based off of fear to keep attention of themselves.
Are you seriously trying to buddy up to Max for being passive aggressive?tatetothetot wrote:
I love this. You ask the lurkers and people who are just not participating who they think needs to pick up activity.@ Tatetothetot + All Others
Has the game advanced at a pace you are happy with? If not why not?
Which player has generated the most attention in your opinion? Is that rightfully so?
Who has remained under the radar? Should they have?
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What do you think my death would reveal if I came up scum? What if I came up town?tatetothetot wrote:Wdjat is probably the person who I would like to lynch today. His posts are generally not helpful in the beginning but his recent head butting with Dana give me the feeling of scum on town. I feel a Wdjat lynch would reveal the most at this time.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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This...post...is...really...bad. Oh and so is your gameplay this whole game. You're taking stances and throwing your vote around without backing it up with a damn thing, I ask you to elaborate and you call me mean and unhelpful? Too bad, I am going to bring the PAIN.The1fifi wrote:Because.. i.. don't..want.. to.. kill.. townies. -.-
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This post sounds unbelievably townie.danakillsu wrote:Well, look. Suddenly "reads" changes to "read". And you call it the same thing. Pressuring for a single read on him is not the same as pressuring for all of my reads. I already have explained my reason for voting for him originally. Stop making such a big deal out of this. You're making yourself look scummy by trying to make me the focus of everyone's attention (not that I mind that so much, I have nothing to hide).
ElaborateThe1fifi wrote:We have to start hunting somewhere. And i got a huge town vibe from Dana, and the exact oposite from Kunk. I am not sayin Kunk is obv scum, but for now is my strgongest suspect
ElaborateThe1fifi wrote:I'd rather see a lowel wagon
ELABORATEThe1fifi wrote:The alternativo to lowel is NOT a no lynch
Actually, wait for danakillsu to respond to me before you talk about how town he is. But then you can ELABORATE.
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If you believe one of us is definitely scum, who do you think it more valuable alive going into day two?tatetothetot wrote:Wdjat, lynching you would help me determine Dana's alignment. I believe that out of the two of you, one of you is scum.
You've justified your wording, but managed to avoid talking about The 1iffi.tatetothetot wrote:The1fifi was voting lowell at the time but there were several others who were putting pressure just because others had done so. Krunk and Kyle for example
I would hope that it's clear enough in my posts that the people I am pressuring are people that I think are scummy. I'll get back to this in a bit.tatetothetot wrote:Why don't you post thoughts instead of massing questions and telling people to elaborate?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Dude, you can just explain your stances and I won't have to put elaborate under every post you make. Here, we will compromise. You can make your claims about what you believe and then link the posts that most prove them. Then we can ask follow up questions.The1fifi wrote:@Wdjat : You are beginning to annoy me. I don't have much time for this site, and i am really busy in another game. Thats the only reason i don't elaborate. but i damn know how to find scum, so you just shut the hell up cause you are an annoying little authoritary brat. And you don't order me to elaborate. until you learn how to direct to people, go bang your head against a tree.
If you're going to make statements like "i damn know how to find scum," back it up with evidence. Your goal should be to be understood. Right now you're just posting crap with no clear basis. Maybe after the game you can rub it in our face that you were right all along, but I'd really rather you rub it in my face now.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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See this is a better post than this. PROGRESS!The1fifi wrote:
This resumes everything you do. Instead of scumhunting, you are playing a tactic of smokes and mirrors.tatetothetot wrote:Why don't you post thoughts instead of massing questions and telling people to elaborate?
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Okay, so you are answering the question "Was danakillsu's vote an OMGUS?" and your response is "It's not because I would OMGUS him to death because I don't like him personally." I get that you don't like me. Maybe we'll fix that. But this post contradicts itself.The1fifi wrote:No, becausw Wdjat annoys me like ****, and i'd OMGUs him all the way to hell.
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Okay, it's been a bit.Wdjat wrote:I'll get back to this in a bit.
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5)Lowell: Reacts horribly under pressure. Hasn't done a whole lot. He'd rank higher, but I understand he has a history of lurking.
4) tatetothetot: I don't like the way he buddied up to Max or the way he avoided directly talking about The 1iffi. The latter read like he was a lot more interested in defending himself than in talking about other players.
3) kyle99: Going after an easy target in Lowell. Not keen on his Max vote either. Hasn't done anything of note other than that.
2) The 1iffi: I really don't like the way he's responded to my requests for elaboration. I'm sure this read is colored by personal bias, but I don't like the way he's stating opinions on folks and outright refusing to back them up. Also his back and forth with Gayle over no lynching was really scummy on his part.
1) danakillsu: Bad under pressure both from me and from kunkstar7. This post. OMGUS followed by vigorous defense that it wasn't rather than proving why it was valid. No scumhunting besides a weak case on me and HoSing Gheb for calling him out on that OMGUS.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Jacob Savage-danakillsu
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Wdjat-Tatetothetot, danakillsu, the1fifi
Kyle99-Max[/stand out more]
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Deadline is 1 week from this Saturday.unvote
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Scott's not in the game. Tatetothetot and Gayle are voting for 2 people. Those votes should be on me and Kunkstar, respectively. Colors and bold would help these stand. Are you a mod that requires an unvote?
Must've been a day that I didn't show up.
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Alright! Time to break down your postagain!danakillsu wrote:
Ok, why was it OMGUS and not a return to a person I already found scummy, and why was it "terrible" OMGUS? Just because I found his pressuring me to be ridiculous doesn't mean that that is why I voted for him. I voted for him because I didn't want to vote for JS anymore, and I had already found him the scummiest.Danakillsu's OMGUS on wdjat was terrible
I mean, this is a nice set up. Great way to give yourself an out. What about Jacob's play so far this game has you especially satisfied? Was it his second post or his third? That second post looked like some real top notch scum-hunting (It did not) but then that third post was him negating the previous one and saying (I think) that he wants other people to do the heavy lifting. Man, I could be wrong though. That post was barely readable.danakillsu wrote:ok, JacobSavage is obviously going to actually play this game now.unvote
You mention the pressuring first and the not helping the town at all second. I also find it interesting that since this post you haven't gone on to show how I am scummy, instead focusing on whether or not your vote was an OMGUS. Are you just planning to coast on the momentum of "Wdjat is a jerk?"danakillsu wrote:vote: wdjatyour pressuring of me is ridiculous and you're not helping town at all.
No it would not. And why are you so concerned about proving your alignment like this? You're awfully worried about proving your alignment for someone with only one vote on him.danakillsu wrote:A lynch of you would also help prove my alignment, I believe.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Okay, I wanted to post to check in and let folks know I am catching up. I will be posting thoughts in the morning but one thing needs to be addressed ASAP.Wdjat on 2/25 wrote:Mod wrote:[stand out more]Vote Count-Sho
Scott-tatetothetot,
Lowell-Wdjat, Hewitt, kunkstar7, kyle99
Max-Gayle, kyle99
Jacob Savage-danakillsu
danakillsu-wdjat
Kunkstar-Lowell, Gayle, Gheb
Wdjat-Tatetothetot, danakillsu, the1fifi
Kyle99-Max[/stand out more]
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Deadline is 1 week from this Saturday.unvote
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Scott's not in the game. Tatetothetot and Gayle are voting for 2 people. Those votes should be on me and Kunkstar, respectively. Colors and bold would help these stand. Are you a mod that requires an unvote?
[ mod edit] Must've been a day that I didn't show up.
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kyle99 and I are both still voting for two people. I don't know where kyle99's vote should be, but mine was off Lowell for a few pages.Mod editing a 3/1 post wrote:Vote Count-Sho
Lowell-Wdjat, Hewitt, kunkstar7, kyle99, danakillsu
Max-kyle99
Jacob Savage-danakillsu
danakillsu-Lowell, wdjat
Kunkstar-Gayle, Gheb
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Oh man I am not quoting this whole thing.hewitt wrote:Okay so basically
Wrong attitude to take. Why do you think it's a good idea to write off Max, Gayle and me based solely on our attitude? Because that's really all you seem to be talking about in your comments on those those two.hewitt wrote:Wdjat- At this point I can't take anything he says all that seriously
If it helps, try reading "Elaborate" as "This point is worth discussing, but I don't feel you've backed up your opinion sufficiently. Please tell me more about your option so discourse can proceed."hewitt wrote:The "Elaborate. Elaborate. Elaborate." is really fucking annoying is almost Empking in it's useless repetition.
Man this doesn't follow at all. How does my case convince you of this?hewitt wrote:The danakillsu case is absolute crap and I don't see anything worthwhile in that little exchange except the fact that it's convinced me that voting to lynch danakillsu would be a bad idea because he's the only player I'm leaning pro-town towards.
This point is worth discussing, but I don't feel you've backed up your opinion sufficiently. Please tell me more about your option so discourse can proceed.hewitt wrote:danakillsu- The player who I feel like is most likely to be town and has reacted extremely well under pressure.
Does his history of playing in a particular way affect your scum read on him like at all or do you just like him as a lynch because you think his play is weak?hewitt wrote:Lowell- I feel like every game I play with Lowell it's the same story.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Wdjat's Updated Top 5 People I Would Like to See Die
5) The 1iffi: Yeah, he dropped a lot of spots, I think he's just confused.
4) tatetothetot: miss u. If you disappear, I am going to be pissed. These top 5 lists are for you, man.
3) hewitt: Attempting to discredit what I consider to be the top three contributors based on their attitudes. "They think we're better than us." Really? Like I can understand you making that read on me, but I see very little ego coming from Max or Gayle. Also the way you're buddying up to The 1iffi from 204 to 212 is sketchy as heck.
2) kyle99: Has done nothing to improve my opinion of him. Also has done nothing.
1) danakillsu: I love the way you dropped the case on he to go after Lowell. Super classy.
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Okay, then please explain your goals when you said "At this point I can't take anything he says all that seriously..." about me, "All I can see that he's been doing is fluff fluff fluff." about Max and "Likes to profess that he's playing better than everybody else without actually contributing anything helpful himself." about Gayle. Because I don't know what else you were trying to do.hewitt wrote:I clearly didn't write off you three, I just didn't find anything substantial in any of your guys' posts and mainly just saw attitude. That doesn't mean I won't be able to find anything substantial in the future, we'll just have to see I suppose.
I mean, I guess that's just an awkward wording choice on your part then. Because that's what your sentence said. But more importantly:hewitt wrote:Your case doesn't convince me danakillsu is most likely town it was her reaction to your pressure.hewitt wrote:I think she responded to a crappy case very appropriately and calmly, as I would expect a town player to.
Here it comes. Are you sitting down?hewitt wrote:danakillsu- The player who I feel like is most likely to be town and has reacted extremely well under pressure.ELABORATE!You said the same thing twice dude, I get what your opinion of his response is. Why is it that way?
This is dumb, other people have pointed out why it's dumb. I agree with them.hewitt wrote:My past game history with Lowell doesn't affect my read on him this game but I do like to generally lynch weaker players earlier in the game. If there isn't a good lead on scum on D1 then I pursue a weak player lynch until a better option arises.
Did you look at the join dates in this thread? Did you think many of us were going to get this or the ABR reference?hewitt wrote:
An awful Mafia player.Wdjat wrote:@hewitt What the eff is EMPKing?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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You can and I'll agree with you, but I don't think many other people will. Sorry, bro. I would like to see one thing, though.Max wrote:Can I say that kyle is still scum so even though he's being replaced we can lynch him now still.
Mod:Can we get an extension to allow kyle99's replacement at least a few days to reread and and post?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Agreed.Max wrote:I think we need some prodding when I disappear for 2 days and there are about 10 posts by 4/5 players (I haven't counted.)
Mod:If you could keep us up to date on prods, we'd appreciate it. I'd prefer if we didn't have to ask for them every time. Also, can we get a ruling on the deadline? Is it firing today without a replacement? How do we handle it if there is no majority?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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I'm looking at a danakillsu iso and I don't see what you're referring to. Could you point out the specific post?JacobSavage wrote:I am very suspisous of Dana, attempting to use a piece of information form a cop to perhaps clear a scum-buddy. I could be an innocent mistake from a town, but something tells me that it isn't. I don't know what the something is, so not a lot of help.
Bleh. This is all wishy washy and obvious. What do you think of Max's read. What does it make you think of Max. What does it make you think of kyle99?JacobSavage wrote:
Could be a townie trying to stop himself being lynched, or making a case against Kyle. And he does make a point, in that Kyle is making a lot of case's for and against, and sometimes lynching someone with strong opinions, make a lot of sense for the town as his thoughts if he is Mafia or if he is town can help us, by using his opinions and who joins the wagon, to help the scum-huntWhat do you think about this post?
Man you don't have to tell me that it's good for me to post my suspicions. What do you think of the suspicions themselves?JacobSavage wrote:
It is commendable that list your own suspicions and who you want to die. I gives us some very valuable information about yourself and your alliance depending on how your suspects flip. In terms of the best approach for advancing the game, a Dana lynch would be the most preferable, with her being your highest suspect, depending on her flipping and coupled with my own suspicions of her, would make the information from the lynch very valuable to us.What about this post?mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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This post. Bad post. You're gone for almost a week and this is all you can come up with?kunkstar7 wrote:What made you think that Lowell had an investigation? There was no night start, therefore there was no investigation to get results from. As JacoSavage pointed out, its impossible to confirm roles in this game. So while I don't think Lowell should be lynched today, his activity tomorrow should be monitored and lynch/left alone accordingly.
It doesn't look like a replacement for Kyle99 is coming. He's been scummy so far, and it fits with what I'm seen from him before, so
unvote;Vote:Kyle99and lets save the mod some trouble.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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Can we lynch danakillsu yet? He's just flailing with this attempt on hewitt. I've seen this exact reaction from a mafia before. Try to buddy up, botch it, try to turn it around into a case.
There's nothing good I can see in his gameplay and his response to my first vote was awful.mecha shiva! mecha shiva!-
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