Newbie 1725: Innocents, Inc. [Game Over!]

Creature · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:00 am

I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC and vote this ScumFace.

VOTE: BlankFace

Creature · Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:46 am

In post 7, Creature wrote:I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC

And yet he's inactive.

Creature · Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:01 am

Thor hasn't posted anything AFAIK.

Creature · Post Post #18 (isolation #3) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:22 am

Thor isn't my obsession, inactive ICs are my obsession.

Creature · Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:55 am

In post 19, BlankFace wrote:Literally hasn't even been a day yet, how are you classifying this as inactive? What makes Thor worse than the SEs who haven't posted yet?

Did you ever play with an inactive IC? And was that IC town-aligned?

Creature · Post Post #25 (isolation #5) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:56 am

Btw, I already have some townreads, but I won't tell them for now.

Creature · Post Post #27 (isolation #6) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:57 am

In post 24, Harkonnen97 wrote:Also, I have this gut feeling that Creature is trying to distance from his scumbuddy Thor.

Then you never saw me playing scum.

Creature · Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:13 am

In post 29, Loopdan wrote:
In post 25, Creature wrote:Btw, I already have some townreads, but I won't tell them for now.
So is the purpose of this post to say trust me I'm smart, or something else?

Something else.

Creature · Post Post #35 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:13 am

In post 15, Harkonnen97 wrote:Why Creature? Because he followed my vote on Blank, or for a different reason?

Oh wait, this post wasn't directed to me.

lol

Creature · Post Post #36 (isolation #9) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:13 am

In post 34, lucca261 wrote:Also, Creature, what's your opinion on meta? Can you give me some of you as scum?

Do you want it to be so easy?

Creature · Post Post #37 (isolation #10) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:14 am

Hi Thor

How's your lurking going?

Creature · Post Post #41 (isolation #11) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:20 am

In post 39, lucca261 wrote:
In post 36, Creature wrote:
In post 34, lucca261 wrote:Also, Creature, what's your opinion on meta? Can you give me some of you as scum?
Do you want it to be so easy?
I'm giving you the opportunity to point me to a specific game. This is way more easy for you than it is for me.

Spoiler:

Creature · Post Post #42 (isolation #12) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:20 am

But I recommend you to play casually first.

Creature · Post Post #43 (isolation #13) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:21 am

In post 40, MissTerry wrote:What is meta?

How someone plays (either as town or as scum).

Creature · Post Post #44 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:23 am

VOTE: Harkonnen97

Serious vote.

Creature · Post Post #48 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:27 am

In post 47, MissTerry wrote:
In post 43, Creature wrote:
In post 40, MissTerry wrote:What is meta?
How someone plays (either as town or as scum).
So someone's technique that they use in the game is their meta?

Yes.

Creature · Post Post #51 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:29 am

Actually, forget 7. I saw Thor posting somewhere else and I don't see how "he has nothing to talk" right now.

VOTE: Thor

Creature · Post Post #53 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:30 am

In post 49, lucca261 wrote:The point I was trying to make is that maybe, Creature wanted to go after the IC, but was afraid to vote. That would be strange for a SE, but I could see it. I don't think that is the reason that he didn't vote Thor now, after engaging with him, though.

Apparently I am doomed to get in newbie games with inactive ICs.

Creature · Post Post #55 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:32 am

I don't like Hark's posts, but I feel better voting a lurker like Thor. What would stop him from waiting a fight between me and Hark to happen so he can lay even more low?

Creature · Post Post #58 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:34 am

In post 54, Harkonnen97 wrote:Loop and Creature, I don't really understand you ;-;

Instead of letting the RVS phase proceed naturally, it looks like you're trying to make forced questionings (either for town cred or to see who's most likely to overreact).

Creature · Post Post #61 (isolation #20) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:43 am

In post 15, Harkonnen97 wrote:Why Creature? Because he followed my vote on Blank, or for a different reason?

In post 21, Harkonnen97 wrote:@Blank I've played 3 games outside MS, and I was much much worse than in Newbie 1717. This is my second MS game and I'm really enjoying it so far. People here are unbelievably kinder and more polite than on the other forum lol. Seeing someone apologize if he felt that he was rude in a FM game really caught me off-guard.

@MissTerry Do you think what I did was scummy? Because if you do, you should be suspecting not only me, but also Creature, lucca, Loopdan and Draynth. (leaving Blank out because I don't consider his vote a RVS one, but a meaningful one)

Out of all these people, what made you pick me?

Or is it that you don't think I'm particularly scummy, but instead you just don't like people accusing others for no reason?

Creature · Post Post #67 (isolation #21) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:58 am

In post 52, Loopdan wrote:
In post 46, Harkonnen97 wrote:
In post 33, lucca261 wrote:
In post 15, Harkonnen97 wrote:Why Creature? Because he followed my vote on Blank, or for a different reason?
Because of this: "I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC and vote this ScumFace.". No need for such a deep explanation for the second post of the game. If he wants to vote Thor, he needs to just vote him. It's a RVS.

Also, #24 is very strange for this part of the game, but, anyway...
That's exactly the reason behind #24. I feel like Creature is trying to distance himself from Thor, while masking it behind the RVS vote for Blank.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Thor665

I think that quote alot of time has passed, and Thor's lack of presence is starting to make me feel uncomfortable. This vote is to encourage him to do his IC stuff when he comes. (If you are busy because of RL - sorry)
There is so much wrong with this post, but I can't decide if it's poor town play or scummy.

Creature · Post Post #68 (isolation #22) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:59 am

Was this RVS?

Creature · Post Post #76 (isolation #23) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:09 pm

Hint

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66845

Creature · Post Post #78 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:25 pm

In post 18, Creature wrote:Thor isn't my obsession, inactive ICs are my obsession.

In post 23, Creature wrote:
In post 19, BlankFace wrote:Literally hasn't even been a day yet, how are you classifying this as inactive? What makes Thor worse than the SEs who haven't posted yet?
Did you ever play with an inactive IC? And was that IC town-aligned?

In post 12, Creature wrote:
In post 7, Creature wrote:I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC
And yet he's inactive.

If you're wondering, I wasn't scum reading Thor here, rather commenting on inactive ICs.

Creature · Post Post #79 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:26 pm

In post 77, BlankFace wrote:1.) If he is inactive, not lurking, what does this "pressure" do?

I saw him posting elsewhere.

2.) If he is inactive, why focus on the person who isn't in the game instead of those who are?

If you notice, my focus isn't 100% on him.

3.) Inactivity, not lurking, is NAI.

I saw him posting elsewhere. I don't know why he'd just pass away from this thread specially with many things to comment on.

Creature · Post Post #85 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:14 am

Never saw a flavor killing activity.

Creature · Post Post #86 (isolation #27) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:17 am

VOTE: Loopban

Would like this.

First he comes with 52 and then he says it was made to help me pressure Hark, but I don't see any pressure in saying "yeah this post is scummy", unless he wanted to do a reaction test, but that would look poorly made. Later on he unvotes Hark to exit his RVS vote (why did it take so long though?), but he said he wanted to help me pressure Hark, so I don't see why he would unvote.

Creature · Post Post #89 (isolation #28) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:23 am

Thor, I am seeing you posting elsewhere.

Creature · Post Post #92 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:56 am

Yes, but it was mostly paranoia of having another inactive IC rather than suspicion.

Creature · Post Post #97 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:50 am

If someone isn't doing anything they're not playing to their win con.

By not playing to their win con they're playing to lose.

By playing to lose they're being essentially a third party.

By being a third party they're being an anti-town role.

By being an anti-town role we should bother lynching them.

tl,dr; not doing anything is anti-town.

Creature · Post Post #98 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:51 am

Also, Thor should have something to add on, so he can't come with the excuse of "I didn't have anything to comment on"

Creature · Post Post #99 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:57 am

Not fan of Draynth's appearance, it looks like he hasn't paid attention to my reasonings and that makes his post look nitpicky.

Creature · Post Post #100 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:04 am

Btw, watch out to not talk about ongoing games, try to not say more than "he's posting in another game"

Creature · Post Post #103 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:43 am

In post 101, Draynth wrote:He has not once said why that is inherently scummy.

By lurking, you're being unreadable and giving less info/contributions for town, which is what a scum would want, therefore lurking is a scummy thing.

Thought an SE like you would know that.

Creature · Post Post #104 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:44 am

In post 101, Draynth wrote:I agree it's unusual that an IC who is posting on the site not to at least make one post saying what's going on

Not unusual for me (and those ICs were town -_-), but I still find that scummy.

Creature · Post Post #106 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:00 am

In post 105, Draynth wrote:Wait, so the IC's that have been inactive in your games in the past were town, but you find Thor to be scummy for the same reason?

Yes, because I know he at least noticed and could post something in the thread. Also, I won't refrain lynching lurkers because I met town lurkers in the past.

Creature · Post Post #112 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:03 pm

Getting the conclusion that Thor and I are scum buddies is too reachy.

Creature · Post Post #113 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:05 pm

If Thor isn't answering even this simple pressure, I don't think he'll do if we keep the pressure on, so I'd rather wait him to get prodded/replaced.

Creature · Post Post #114 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:06 pm

By tomorrow he should've been prodded or posted something (hopefully not an excuse/prod-dodge) here.

Creature · Post Post #117 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:20 pm

This is the first post where I called him lurking:

In post 37, Creature wrote:Hi Thor

How's your lurking going?

Creature · Post Post #119 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:25 pm

In post 7, Creature wrote:I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC and vote this ScumFace.

VOTE: BlankFace

RVS (commenting on how I had two inactive ICs in my past newbie games)

In post 12, Creature wrote:
In post 7, Creature wrote:I would vote the IC, but I am afraid that'll make him be inactive, so I'll refrain from voting the IC
And yet he's inactive.

Thought he would've posted something by now, so I just commented at.

In post 16, Creature wrote:Thor hasn't posted anything AFAIK.

Was answering Hark's question in 15.

Creature · Post Post #120 (isolation #42) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:25 pm

And after that was just discussion.

Creature · Post Post #121 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:26 pm

In post 116, Loopdan wrote:
In post 112, Creature wrote:Getting the conclusion that Thor and I are scum buddies is too reachy.
I agreed (and said as much) before, but you called him out for lurking super early. And then he did lurk. Almost like you knew he would.

Coincidence.

Creature · Post Post #122 (isolation #44) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:26 pm

It'd be funny if a scum member called their partner scum and that partner scumclaimed.

Creature · Post Post #123 (isolation #45) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:28 pm

Say Thor keeps lurking (and prod-dodging) while I keep calling him scum, who would you vote off first?

Creature · Post Post #126 (isolation #46) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:36 pm

Actually I am town reading Loopdan now, I just don't know where to place my vote yet.

UNVOTE: Loopdan

Creature · Post Post #127 (isolation #47) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:36 pm

lucca, what's your opinion on Blank?

Creature · Post Post #128 (isolation #48) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:38 pm

My town reads are on Hark, Loop and lucca.

Draynth is quite of a town read for now.

Miss is still null to me.

Thor is scum and I'd really like if he just kept laying low as it'd make the game 50% easier.

The others need to engage more because I am null on them.

Creature · Post Post #133 (isolation #49) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:59 pm

I unvoted Loopdan actually.

Creature · Post Post #135 (isolation #50) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:02 pm

What do you think about Draynth?

Creature · Post Post #138 (isolation #51) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:51 pm

The way he backed out from his read looks towny.

Creature · Post Post #140 (isolation #52) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:02 pm

Weird isn't always scum.

Creature · Post Post #148 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:03 am

I wouldn't drop my suspicion on Thor's slot, he's posting elsewhere, why would he flake out like this?

Creature · Post Post #149 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:04 am

I am fine if he's scum or starts contributing, but not doing anything as Town?

Creature · Post Post #150 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:06 am

In post 109, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 95, MissTerry wrote:Greetings Penguin, join our game of accusations and manipulations. Is this your first time playing mafia, here or otherwise?

My vote for Hark still stands, it is no longer random.
I don't think Thor would remain inactive in this game on purpose for this long with all the votes and pressure mounting against him if he was scum. He must not see the game or maybe doesn't like his role and is purposely ignoring it.
Thanks...looking forward to participating in the madness. I've yet to complete a game on this site, but I have played many games on another...though they were much shorter in length (Days were 48 hours, Nights were 24 hours).

I know there isn't much to catch up on at this point, but I'm usually busy with my family on the weekends, so I won't have to time read through the thread until later tonight.

So...

Creature · Post Post #152 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:19 am

*cough*Newbie 1715*cough*

Creature · Post Post #159 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:36 am

MissTerry

Even if you're going to be lynched anyway, you should, as town, try to give your opinions and thoughts the most possible so we can get something next day.

Creature · Post Post #161 (isolation #58) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:42 am

Self-meta is most of the times NAI (sometimes it indicates frustation) until you decide to meta him by yourself.

Creature · Post Post #165 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:05 am

Finally.

Creature · Post Post #166 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:05 am

Did you check your inbox?

Creature · Post Post #182 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:00 am

In post 173, Thor665 wrote:What is your usual scum/scum interaction habit?

Try to interact the less possible with my scum buddy (even if I try the opposite).

if I'm scum because my scumbuddy is distancing from me, why aren't you voting my scumbuddy? For me to be scum doesn't it require him to be scum? So, basically you're voting the less likely of the two of us to be scum...?

If someone calls you out for lurking and you do that intentionally, is there any way you can be town?

I don't follow - he was voting Hark.

His vote was RVS and he didn't seem to have intent to pressure Hark when he cast his vote. 52 can't be considered pressure post.

How do you know I noticed?

I saw you posting in another game in this same subforum.

why would I do it as scum.

Be less readable, give less info, and when everybody is set to lynch you, you ask this.

But, that said, have you any evidence that suggests I lurk as scum?

Sometimes being active as town but not as scum can be a good evidence.

What about flake as scum?

I don't think you would flake out, but I usually see scum flaking out.

Clarify?

Lurking is scummy.

In post 166, Creature wrote:Did you check your inbox?
No, I used magic to sense the prod happening.

I mean, did you notice the daystart PM?

Creature · Post Post #185 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:49 am

Mod

Can you prod yourself?

Creature · Post Post #187 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:55 am

Weird but I am now town reading Thor.

Creature · Post Post #188 (isolation #64) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:55 am

Would like Loop to answer the case on him.

Creature · Post Post #189 (isolation #65) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:56 am

Draynth, Blank and Penguin are doing a good job going under the radar.

Creature · Post Post #190 (isolation #66) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:56 am

VOTE: BlankFace

Creature · Post Post #194 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:10 pm

Didn't I already answer then?

Creature · Post Post #199 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:28 pm

In post 196, Thor665 wrote:
In post 182, Creature wrote:
if I'm scum because my scumbuddy is distancing from me, why aren't you voting my scumbuddy? For me to be scum doesn't it require him to be scum? So, basically you're voting the less likely of the two of us to be scum...?
If someone calls you out for lurking and you do that intentionally, is there any way you can be town?
Sure - maybe I'm a lurker and scum are opting for an easy/lazy mislynch since I'll never be there to defend myself and everyone can agree lurking is scummy.
Not that I was actually lurking - I was just not posting.

I mean "intentionally"

In post 182, Creature wrote:His vote was RVS and he didn't seem to have intent to pressure Hark when he cast his vote. 52 can't be considered pressure post.
So you don't think naked votes can cause pressure?
I do.
Why don't you?

He pointed his vote was RVS when Hark questioned why he was voting him. Then he said it was actually pressure when I questioned post 52.

In post 182, Creature wrote:
How do you know I noticed?
I saw you posting in another game in this same subforum.
How does that mean I noticed? I don't even go to the subforum pages.

That's sad, but I usually go or end up going.

In post 182, Creature wrote:
But, that said, have you any evidence that suggests I lurk as scum?
Sometimes being active as town but not as scum can be a good evidence.
Agreed - did you have any evidence that I do that?

I feel you're more active in games you're town.

In post 182, Creature wrote:
Clarify?
Lurking is scummy.
Agreed - but to lurk you actually have to, y'know, be posting in the game and avoiding giving content.
Acting like the game doesn't exist seems to suggest...not being aware the game existed.

Or stay idle until the prod comes.

In post 182, Creature wrote:I mean, did you notice the daystart PM?
It wasn't listed as a new PM today, so I must have opened my inbox after getting it, but it was unopened today, so I must not have opened it.
Probably I say it was a Day start announcement and didn't open it, because I never really open those as I find them meaningless since I Bookmark all my games and that's how I access them.
It was an issue this time because the game wasn't already in my Bookmarks.
Even a casual look at my posting habits (which you kind of claim to have done, since you were tracking my activity) would show I tend to be a very active poster in games regardless of alignment, and have never been replaced out of a game, and barely have ever received a prod (in fact, I think this was my first one ever in a Newbie).

So you don't check your inbox? How do you confirm your role?

What that says to me is you actually didn't care to investigate enough to actually learn why I wasn't posting.
You were just attacking my slot over something that meant nothing as far as alignment goes.
Which would make you scum.

Thoughts?

But I still don't understand how you didn't notice this game.

Creature · Post Post #200 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:30 pm

From the ones who weren't on my list 189 list, I lean town on all, but I am re-considering Loopdan.

Creature · Post Post #202 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 1:55 pm

In post 201, Thor665 wrote:
In post 199, Creature wrote:I feel you're more active in games you're town.
That would be a very valid issue - what supporting evidence do you have for this belief?

Ongoing.

Any other game start lurks as scum you found?

Never saw your scum game.

A game where I cited lurking as a strategy when scum?

Didn't see it, but I don't think you would have the same strategy as town.

A game people noted lack of activity from me and I was scum?

No.

In post 199, Creature wrote:Or stay idle until the prod comes.
If you read my scum games you would know I don't even come close to this - so why are you acting like it was ever a thing?

Because I thought you would notice this topic and comment something on.

In post 199, Creature wrote:So you don't check your inbox? How do you confirm your role?
There is nothing I said that implies I don't check my inbox - in fact I actively stated that I had, which would be the opposite of saying I don't.
Why did that confuse you?

Because I see a PM like "Newbie 1725 day 1 started" as the title, so unless you don't have interest in checking your inbox, I don't know why you didn't notice it.

In post 199, Creature wrote:But I still don't understand how you didn't notice this game.
Probably then you need to put this confusion into words and ask me a question about it, in order to get more info - I basically gave a blow by blow account, so it's not like there's giant holes in the reasoning that I'm aware of other than your vague belief that I should wander into sub-forum pages and note which game numbers have posts in them and cross-check them with games I'm in...which sounds like crazy talk.

I don't know about you, but me and most of the players I know usually check the subforums, even if they don't check the games in.

I'm still of the mind you were scum pushing a loleasy wagon option.

Being a loleasy wagon doesn't make you town. If you notice, I wasn't pushing only you.

You admitted your last lurk IC was town. Which means it isn't a universal tell you should buy.

But I don't like them and that shouldn't make me stop pressuring them.

You have no apparent evidence to call my lurk scummy over as a personal tell you should buy.

I don't need evidences to see that lurking is usually scummy or unhelpful.

[/quote]And you're now basically just kind of going "but...WHY!?!" which isn't even a discussion of how it was scummy, but more just vaguely suggesting that it's mysterious on some ineffable level, without an actual scum plan attached to it, which is the definition of how one pushes a scummy policy lynch.[/quote]
Am I trying to push your lynch?

My intention was to pressure you to say something, yet you didn't do anything, so I went looking at others and let you do something.

Did you even try to put together an actual scum case here?
I don't see one.

Lurking not being a valid tell for you doesn't make it an invalid case. In my opinion, lurking is pro-scum and I don't mind pushing lurkers. If you don't think lurking is scummy, not everyone has the same opinion as you.

I can now see one formed by me on you - what do you think about it?

I think you're not considering why I would push you other than trying to push an easy wagon.

Creature · Post Post #203 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:25 pm

Town: Harkonnen97, lucca261, MissTerry
Town but not so much: Thor665
Absolute null: PenguinPower
Reconsidering: Draynth, Loopdan
Scumreads: BlankFace

Creature · Post Post #226 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:28 am

Thor665

Wrong, I would only push your policy lynch if you kept trying to not contribute.

Creature · Post Post #242 (isolation #73) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:00 am

In post 235, Thor665 wrote:Have you followed my conversation with him wherein we established he had no meta, evidence, or whatnot to suggest that me not being here equated to me being scum.

To clarify, I've checked one game of yours where you seemed to be active.

I saw you online in the player list posting in another game.

I don't need complete meta to know lurking suggests you're scum.

I was pushing you hard, yes, but I wanted you to actually start contributing and you can see in some posts.

Either if you found or not this thread, why shouldn't I pressure you into doing something?

Creature · Post Post #243 (isolation #74) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:00 am

Also, I have a slight town lean on Loopdan.

Creature · Post Post #244 (isolation #75) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:01 am

I am thinking there must have on scum in BlankFace/Draynth.

My head says it's BlankFace but my gut says it's Draynth.

Creature · Post Post #258 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:01 am

Let me see, BlankFace forgot this game existed.

Creature · Post Post #260 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:28 am

In post 246, Loopdan wrote:
In post 244, Creature wrote:I am thinking there must have on scum in BlankFace/Draynth.

My head says it's BlankFace but my gut says it's Draynth.
You need to explain that last sentence. It looks like you are testing the waters without committing or giving reasons.

BlankFace is logically scum because him tunneling and disappearing is a huge red flag.

Draynth looks scum because his posts look like how a scum would post.

Creature · Post Post #261 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:28 am

Though, I feel more confident on Blank than Draynth tbh.

Creature · Post Post #262 (isolation #79) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:29 am

From the newbies, the only one I am not town reading decently/strongly is PenguinPower.

Creature · Post Post #276 (isolation #80) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:55 am

In post 266, BlankFace wrote:I started lurking to see his reaction. I wanted to see if he'd jump onto me like he jumped onto Thor.

Pfft

Okay, if you're town you deserve a Kodak moment.

Creature · Post Post #277 (isolation #81) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:57 am

In post 266, BlankFace wrote:He did, albeit a little later on than I really expected.

I don't think you got any conclusions for this reaction test.

Creature · Post Post #279 (isolation #82) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:00 am

I understand his reasoning, but I don't like the conclusion he got to.

Creature · Post Post #283 (isolation #83) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:08 am

Like, the whole case on me is "he's attacking lurkers"

From the actives (or near-actives), I am only having issues with Thor and Loopdan, so I am definitely going to search the lurkers/inactives.

Creature · Post Post #339 (isolation #84) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:06 am

Shadow, please, fully catch up, you're currently just nitpicking what already has been answered.

Creature · Post Post #340 (isolation #85) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:51 am

And now that everyone has posted:

Town: Harkonnen97, MissTerry, lucca641
Townleans: BlankFace (lol)
Null/scum: PenguinPower
Scumleans*: Thor665, Loopdan, Shadow_step

* = Doesn't mean I think they're scum together.

Creature · Post Post #341 (isolation #86) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:52 am

^ Btw, coincidentally that's the order of my reads (except I think Loop is townier than Thor665):

Harkonnen97
MissTerry
lucca6411
BlankFace
PenguinPower
Loopdan
Thor665
Shadow_step

Creature · Post Post #343 (isolation #87) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:18 am

I think it's prodtime for lucca261.

Creature · Post Post #346 (isolation #88) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:33 am

In post 344, Loopdan wrote:
In post 341, Creature wrote:^ Btw, coincidentally that's the order of my reads (except I think Loop is townier than Thor665):

Harkonnen97
MissTerry
lucca6411
BlankFace
PenguinPower
Loopdan
Thor665
Shadow_step
He isn't near to be lynched and I don't feel like switching my vote right now.
Why is your vote still on BlankFace?

Creature · Post Post #396 (isolation #89) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:38 am

UNVOTE: BlankFace

Re-reading.

Creature · Post Post #398 (isolation #90) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:18 am

Done re-reading

=== These are my firm town reads ===

Harkonnen97 - I don't see scum coming up with the Creature/Thor theory. He's trying to force the game forward, while scum would want to delay it.
Loopdan - I like the way he's pointing small details others might not notice.

=== These are my slight town leans that I am reconsidering ===

BlankFace - He seemed worried about me poking Thor, which is different from scum that would ignore it.
Thor665 - I noticed his posts have seems to have gamesolving

=== These are who I am getting worried about ===

MissTerry - What worries me is that he seems to be just looking like he's doing something and I don't like the way he instantly buddied PenguinPower.
lucca261 - Game started to get serious and "puff"

=== These are having a scum play ===

Shadow_step - Draynth seemed pretty hesitant on his posts, not fan of Shadow's entrance either, it looks like "Look I am not coward!"
PenguinPower - Most of his posts have some sort of defending and his reads lack pushing. I don't see him trying to push the game forward.

VOTE: MissTerry

Creature · Post Post #401 (isolation #91) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:56 am

In post 313, Thor665 wrote:I think both Penguin and Miss Terry have done solid work in explaining their issues

Are they scum hunting?

Creature · Post Post #402 (isolation #92) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:56 am

Or helping town go forward

Creature · Post Post #409 (isolation #93) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:35 am

And lucca261 flaked out -_-

Creature · Post Post #422 (isolation #94) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:03 am

Mod

Is Lucca261 being replaced?

Creature · Post Post #431 (isolation #95) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:10 pm

In post 430, MissTerry wrote:Up until post 298 he has had me as town, and in that post has me in the "getting worried about" slot. Why did he put his vote on me instead of the two he has scum reads on?

The power of re-reading.

Also, I don't need preferences when my intention is pressuring.

Creature · Post Post #433 (isolation #96) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:38 pm

Depends on your responses.

Currently I prefer Shadow_step or PenguinPower (or maybe lucca261) over you.

Creature · Post Post #435 (isolation #97) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:52 pm

Well, it's a pressure vote, not a reaction test.

I can say it's a pressure wagon that could turn into a lynch wagon if the responses aren't good.

Creature · Post Post #437 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:05 pm

Because I don't like keeping my vote on a single person, it looks like no single progress is made.

Creature · Post Post #438 (isolation #99) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:10 pm

In post 429, Harkonnen97 wrote:
In post 427, Harkonnen97 wrote:Yes.
To add more to this, since you will probably ask me about it, Loop. I looked through MissTerry's ISO and I found a major scumslip (not the thing you pointed out). I'll explain it later, waiting for her response first.

This is what's interesting me.

Creature · Post Post #441 (isolation #100) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:23 pm

I post readlists because I like PoEing scum, town hunting is easier than scum hunting.

And yes, I am trying to get townreads specially from those at the two bottom lists.

Creature · Post Post #448 (isolation #101) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:43 am

Thor665

441 sort of answers your question.

I could land my vote on the scummiest person, but I like to test who I am having doubt at.

Creature · Post Post #450 (isolation #102) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:59 am

imo it usually helps as being wagoned, even if for pressure, could mean you're under the risk of being lynched. If I am not town reading someone, I don't have a reason to refrain from voting them if their wagon is small but promising.

What harm causes a vote when a wagon is barely formed?

Creature · Post Post #451 (isolation #103) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:31 am

I am disappointed there was no scumslip in MissTerry's ISO.

Creature · Post Post #452 (isolation #104) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:32 am

Maybe scum is just Shadow and Penguin, with lucca261's slot as a third candidate.

Creature · Post Post #453 (isolation #105) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:33 am

And apparently nobody wants to replace in lucca261's slot.

Creature · Post Post #454 (isolation #106) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:35 am

If you want to know why I was town Reading MissTerry and lucca261 early, it's because of a gut feeling.

It seemed like they were trying to contribute even if they didn't have much to say.

Creature · Post Post #455 (isolation #107) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:32 am

VOTE: Shadow_step

so Thor doesn't complain my vote isn't in the place he wants it to be.

Creature · Post Post #456 (isolation #108) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:32 am

Apparently MissTerry didn't care if Hark found a possibly major scumslip in her ISO.

Creature · Post Post #458 (isolation #109) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:45 am

Town: Harkonnen97, Loopdan, BlankFace (moved up)
Townleans: Thor665, MissTerry (moved up)
Null/scum: lucca261
Scumleans: PenguinPower, Shadow_step

Creature · Post Post #463 (isolation #110) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:34 am

Thanks for making me more confident in a lucca lynch.

Creature · Post Post #466 (isolation #111) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:56 am

Thor already did when he finally realised this game existed, yet I think he's town.

Creature · Post Post #467 (isolation #112) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:58 am

The only reason you'd vote an empty slot is if you're planning to lynch, so:
Is everyone fine with lucca lynch?
Do you think we should end the day now?

Creature · Post Post #469 (isolation #113) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:03 am

That sounds like "I don't like being scum read for X".

She's not saying she's scum, she's saying she disagrees with that reasoning.

Creature · Post Post #472 (isolation #114) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:17 am

In post 470, Thor665 wrote:It complicates VCA

If you don't use VCA that's no problem.

and also serves to distance you from justifying a vote you're making.

If I voted, I felt I could be voting a potential scum. It's very justified.

You have repeatedly had a vote on a soft scum read, or even a town read,

I was conflited at Loopdan.

and you keep explaining it off with this comment of 'I'mma different'

I have different opinions, what looks useless for you could be useful for me. I could also say VCA is useless, but you'll disagree with it.

yet you also appear to state belief in the idea that a vote is a weapon and adds pressure,

If someone votes you, you're one vote closer to getting lynched, and if you react bad it might go past the point of being just a pressure wagon.

which makes it not appear to jive with your willingness to not really use it on scumreads.

I'll use it when I feel that person deserves pressure or when we're going to lynch.

Even now your shift, you're now tossing it onto a supposed scumread, but now you're not pressuring him - which is the reverse of what you just got done telling me is how you use your vote.

Thor: You're voting MissTerry, whom you're not scum reading as much as Shadow.
Creature: Because I think MissTerry is looking more defensive.
Thor: But you should be voting Shadow as he's your biggest scum read.
Creature: But I want to pressure MissTerry.
Thor: Now that you said it's pressure, that vote is pointless.
Creature: Fine *votes Shadow*
Thor: You changed your vote to your biggest scum read even though you wanted to pressure your other scum reads. Die scum!

I don't feel like you're actually trying to find scum.

I am trying to get a read on everyone, isn't that good already?

Creature · Post Post #509 (isolation #115) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:52 am

Not lynching lucca261 because it's an empty slot is a garbage reason. If you feel more confident in that slot being scum than everybody else, there's no reason to not lynch it.

Creature · Post Post #511 (isolation #116) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:54 am

VOTE: PenguinPower

Now that Shadow is being quite more towny.

Creature · Post Post #512 (isolation #117) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:54 am

What makes me wonder is that MissTerry finely gave her thoughts even when Hark said he found a major scumslip.

Creature · Post Post #514 (isolation #118) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:55 am

Okay BeetlejuicePower

Creature · Post Post #519 (isolation #119) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:59 am

In post 512, Creature wrote:What makes me wonder is that MissTerry finely gave her thoughts even when Hark said he found a major scumslip.

Creature · Post Post #520 (isolation #120) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:00 am

in her ISO

Creature · Post Post #522 (isolation #121) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:03 am

We have 4.75 days left.

Creature · Post Post #523 (isolation #122) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:04 am

Enough time for BeetlePower to catch up and have someone save lucca261's slot.

Creature · Post Post #526 (isolation #123) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:16 am

I am more confident in a lucca lynch, but her slot gives the less information.

Creature · Post Post #534 (isolation #124) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:41 am

Oh nice, BlankFace is reaction testing me again.

Creature · Post Post #538 (isolation #125) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:08 am

In post 519, Creature wrote:
In post 512, Creature wrote:What makes me wonder is that MissTerry finely gave her thoughts even when Hark said he found a major scumslip.

Creature · Post Post #539 (isolation #126) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:11 am

Yes, that makes me hesitate at calling MT scum. What would you do if someone called you scumslipped?

Creature · Post Post #545 (isolation #127) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:44 am

I think we should start coordinating a lynch, it looks like our opinions are very diversificated.

Creature · Post Post #547 (isolation #128) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:45 am

I know you want X lynched so much, but you should look for other satisfying lynches that someone might agree with.

Creature · Post Post #549 (isolation #129) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:48 am

By not posting your reads, you're refusing to give info for town. And that info you're refusing to give is more valuable to town than mafia. Mafia will know who's a better target, but who told the rest of the town might not try to get a conclusion and turn the game against mafia?

Creature · Post Post #550 (isolation #130) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:49 am

I would be satisfied with any of these (in order):
lucca261's slot
LurkPower
Shade_step
Tunnel665

Creature · Post Post #552 (isolation #131) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:54 am

And if BlankFace keeps reaction testing me, I might consider adding him to my list.

Creature · Post Post #576 (isolation #132) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Anyone supports a Thor lynch?

Creature · Post Post #580 (isolation #133) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Let's see:

Your slot disappeared.

Good, like half of the playerlist already disappeared once.

But Loopdan came with a good meta point on lucca261.

Which makes me wonder, shouldn't lucca261 be making analysis and contributing rather than flaking out?

And that made me confident your slot is scum.

Creature · Post Post #581 (isolation #134) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:42 pm

In post 577, Loopdan wrote:BlankFace is voting Thor right now. I also want his updated Thor read before a wagon forms (if one does).

Hey Blank, here's something you can do rather than lurk and see how I'll react.

Creature · Post Post #585 (isolation #135) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:51 pm

^ something like this.

Creature · Post Post #587 (isolation #136) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:54 pm

At first I felt he was acting like newbtown.

Then when, I re-read, I noticed he wasn't doing much.

And then Loopdan came with meta.

Creature · Post Post #591 (isolation #137) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:00 pm

In post 589, Loopdan wrote:
In post 587, Creature wrote:And then Loopdan came with meta.
If the lucca/serra slot is scum, this will become my signature.

If the slot is town, I'm acting like this post never happened.

Either way I need a font of confidence.

Creature · Post Post #592 (isolation #138) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:00 pm

Wished I could just call the scumteam is serra + Thor and then brag postgame.

Creature · Post Post #594 (isolation #139) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:07 pm

I took a quick scanning and notice that his posts were indeed bigger.

Creature · Post Post #595 (isolation #140) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:07 pm

*noticed

Creature · Post Post #597 (isolation #141) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:13 pm

It was days ago, not just now.

Creature · Post Post #600 (isolation #142) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:16 pm

idk I am more sure at now.

Creature · Post Post #604 (isolation #143) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:19 pm

In post 589, Loopdan wrote:
In post 587, Creature wrote:And then Loopdan came with meta.
If the lucca/serra slot is scum, this will become my signature.

If the slot is town, I'm acting like this post never happened.

There He Goes (with meta).

Creature · Post Post #605 (isolation #144) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:19 pm

Can you just scumclaim?

Creature · Post Post #607 (isolation #145) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:21 pm

My gut is screaming Thor is scum at this point.

Creature · Post Post #608 (isolation #146) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:23 pm

serra or Thor

Take your pick.

Creature · Post Post #610 (isolation #147) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:27 pm

VOTE: Thor

Oh yeah. And I think he should start doing that.

Creature · Post Post #612 (isolation #148) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:31 pm

UNVOTE: Thor

Okay...

Creature · Post Post #613 (isolation #149) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:33 pm

(expired on 2016-07-19 20:00:00)

serra, don't let this hit 0 without your reads.

Creature · Post Post #623 (isolation #150) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:54 am

At this point I am not scum reading Thor for "lurking".

Creature · Post Post #628 (isolation #151) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:15 am

In post 615, serrapaladin wrote:I'll just leave this here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=60083

You look to be pushing the game forward there rather than being defensive.

Not sure on Thor.

Creature · Post Post #629 (isolation #152) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:17 am

In post 624, serrapaladin wrote:His defaulting to attacking the inactive slots when pressure on thor wasn't sticking has me mildly leaning towards the latter.

At this point I was townleaning on Thor and I wanted to get reads on the inactive slots.

Also his attitude towards Loop's meta on lucca feels opportunistic.

Maybe because I want a scumflip?

Creature · Post Post #631 (isolation #153) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:32 am

In post 625, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 623, Creature wrote:At this point I am not scum reading Thor for "lurking".
Good. Care to share?

Let's compare mine's and Thor's reads progression:

I know you prefer the latter, but let's be real: No paranoia or town consideration?

Creature · Post Post #634 (isolation #154) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:35 am

In post 632, Harkonnen97 wrote:I don't understand this chart. What do the different columns stand for?

Points of the game.

Creature · Post Post #635 (isolation #155) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:35 am

Timeline actually.

Creature · Post Post #636 (isolation #156) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:37 am

In post 621, serrapaladin wrote:So it's ridiculous to think that Thor would choose to lurk until prodded at game start as IC in a Newbie. I feel like Creature should know this. Or have figured it out by browsing some of Thor's games. Or change his mind when Thor directly pointed out how ridiculous it is. Or when the mod literally confirmed there were no links to the thread.

If you notice, I already changed my mind halfway the discussion.

Creature · Post Post #639 (isolation #157) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:44 am

Well, I saw he townreads Hark, Penguin and MissTerry.

Creature · Post Post #640 (isolation #158) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:46 am

Thor665

Are you town reading lucca261/serrapaladin (not considering relations)?

Creature · Post Post #647 (isolation #159) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:24 am

In post 579, serrapaladin wrote:@Creature: could you take me through your read progression on my slot?

"Can I understand why I am being scum read?"

In post 586, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 580, Creature wrote:Let's see:

Your slot disappeared.

Good, like half of the playerlist already disappeared once.

But Loopdan came with a good meta point on lucca261.

Which makes me wonder, shouldn't lucca261 be making analysis and contributing rather than flaking out?

And that made me confident your slot is scum.
And before that?

"I want to know more about what you think about my slot"

In post 599, serrapaladin wrote:Are you more sure on your meta point about me or thor?

"How confident are you on me or Thor?"

In post 615, serrapaladin wrote:I'll just leave this here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=60083

"Check my meta"

Creature · Post Post #666 (isolation #160) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:30 am

You really don't have opinion on the me vs Thor and serra?

Creature · Post Post #672 (isolation #161) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:48 am

Creature · Post Post #673 (isolation #162) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:48 am

serrapaladin + Thor665, with PenguinPower as a substitute?

Creature · Post Post #674 (isolation #163) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:49 am

Town: BlackFace, Harkoonnen97, Loodan, MissTerry
Null/town: Shadow_step
Null/scum: PenguinPower
Scumleans: serrapaladin, Thor665

Creature · Post Post #677 (isolation #164) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:03 am

In post 618, Thor665 wrote:What was your take of my dismissal of that meta?

tbh I think what Loop pointed is valid. There's a large difference in his posts there and in that game. I don't see someone acting like "i already posted/analysed a bunch in my other game, i won't do much in that game then"

Creature · Post Post #680 (isolation #165) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:22 am

I don't know what you mean.

He posts something lengthy, gets prodded, makes another lengthy post...

Creature · Post Post #681 (isolation #166) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:53 am

3 days and 10 hours left.

Time to start planning the lynch.

Creature · Post Post #682 (isolation #167) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:56 am

Lynch priorities now

serrapaladin > Thor665 > PenguinPower > Shadow_step > MissTerry > BlankFace > Loopdan > Harkonnen97 > Myself

Creature · Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:54 pm

In post 684, serrapaladin wrote:I'd also like to hear Creature's response to 484.

Thought I already answered. About the 48 hours thing, it's not just 48 hours now.

Creature · Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:54 pm

In post 682, Creature wrote:Lynch priorities now

serrapaladin > Thor665 > PenguinPower > Shadow_step > MissTerry > BlankFace > Loopdan > Harkonnen97 > Myself

Creature · Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:55 pm

Unless you're that kind of guy that believes that keeping town reads hidden is actually pro-town. In which case you should specify in order who you'd not mind lynching.

Creature · Post Post #699 (isolation #171) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:21 pm

In post 693, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 686, Creature wrote:
In post 684, serrapaladin wrote:I'd also like to hear Creature's response to 484.
Thought I already answered. About the 48 hours thing, it's not just 48 hours now.
What?

Thor665 says lucca261 being different could be because it's just 48 hours from the day, but lucca should've done something by now.

Creature · Post Post #700 (isolation #172) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:22 pm

Btw, what's pro-town in not telling who you're up to lynch? Deadline is coming and I don't want a rushed wagon.

Creature · Post Post #701 (isolation #173) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:24 pm

I don't agree with MT's lynch, she clearly looks newbtown for me.

Creature · Post Post #702 (isolation #174) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:25 pm

imo, MissTerry and PenguinPower are the two players that can be easily beaten in a 1v1. Therefore I'd consider them lynchbaits, but I see a large difference in them.

Creature · Post Post #703 (isolation #175) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:27 pm

MissTerry is actually trying to post thoughts and answer the questions, while at the same time pushing her reads. It seems like she wants a wagon to happen and hopefully a wagon on scum.

Meanwhile, we have PenguinPower...
lol, if we made him king, he'd likely forget to choose someone to lynch. So far he's just giving tiered readlists (lol who can't do that?).

Creature · Post Post #705 (isolation #176) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:30 pm

Also, it's weird how unequally MissTerry and PenguinPower are being treated.

Like, we're still discussing whether we lynch MissTerry or not.

Meanwhile, PenguinPower remains untouched, I am only seeing my town reads actually poking him.

Creature · Post Post #706 (isolation #177) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:32 pm

And you can't just dismiss it as NAI, it must indicate something. That'd be brilliant if scum decided to go like "let's attack miss but leave penguin out"

Creature · Post Post #707 (isolation #178) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:32 pm

Who's up to lynch PenguinPower?

Creature · Post Post #709 (isolation #179) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:39 pm

Would you lynch PenguinPower though?

Creature · Post Post #711 (isolation #180) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:06 pm

But why nobody's bothered with PenguinPower?

Creature · Post Post #720 (isolation #181) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:45 pm

Good, someone's seeing the light.

Creature · Post Post #743 (isolation #182) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:14 am

You mean that if MT flips town, you believe scum is in (Blank, Penguin, Thor)?

Creature · Post Post #749 (isolation #183) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:36 am

Thoughts on lynching Thor or Penguin?

Creature · Post Post #752 (isolation #184) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:41 am

Starting to re-consider this is mostly a serrapaladin's playstyle issue rather than scummy behavior.

Creature · Post Post #753 (isolation #185) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:41 am

In post 751, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 743, Creature wrote:You mean that if MT flips town, you believe scum is in (Blank, Penguin, Thor)?
pretty much

Would like to hear more.

Creature · Post Post #758 (isolation #186) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:55 am

If MT was proven town, who would you lynch first?

Creature · Post Post #763 (isolation #187) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:05 am

tbh I am not that confident Blank is town.

Creature · Post Post #766 (isolation #188) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:13 am

In post 764, Harkonnen97 wrote:
In post 763, Creature wrote:tbh I am not that confident Blank is town.
Because of the post that Paladin just made, or for a different reason?

Yes and Shadow's.

I also started having paranoia of him before that.

Creature · Post Post #768 (isolation #189) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:17 am

I can give you links.

Town (Micro, 9p, singleball):
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66940

Scum (Micro, 9p, singleball):
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66946

Creature · Post Post #769 (isolation #190) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:18 am

But you can go to my profile and click "view their topics"

Creature · Post Post #771 (isolation #191) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:20 am

Okay.

Creature · Post Post #775 (isolation #192) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:59 am

Penguin, isn't it about time to decide on a lynch?

Creature · Post Post #780 (isolation #193) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:33 am

VOTE: BlankFace

I think this one is most likely to happen.

Creature · Post Post #787 (isolation #194) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:39 am

Well, we still have time to decide on a lynch.

Creature · Post Post #788 (isolation #195) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:40 am

Like the way Penguin said who he would lynch but simply left without landing a vote.

Creature · Post Post #791 (isolation #196) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:46 am

Doesn't it bother you how Thor is town reading Penguin?

Creature · Post Post #792 (isolation #197) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:48 am

Posting only readlists and not moving vote can't be a towntell.

Creature · Post Post #794 (isolation #198) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:16 am

PenguinPower

-

Thor665

I don't think both would push Loopdan, who can handle pressure pretty well.

PenguinPower

-

Thor665

I'd be very disappointed at Thor.

PenguinPower

-

Thor665

Very likely.

PenguinPower

-

Thor665

Congratulations, Harry Thor, you're officially a wizard!

Creature · Post Post #795 (isolation #199) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:17 am

I think that makes Penguin more likely town.

Too bad nobody else wants to hero-vote Thor.