Newbie 1156 - Over

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i'm thinking its no longer that big a possibility, since now I feel that prime and rampage are both scummier.

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After his claim it's pretty obvious that he's vanilla townie.

how is this obvious wtf how are vanilla claims in any way good at all

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how about we lynch prime, let rampage's replacement (if there is one) screw up for him...


no wait, how about we just lynch rampage.

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I'm going to address adc and shii next, but I haven't even done my homework yet or studied like I wanted, so it'll have to wait until tomorrow night. I posted my thoughts so far on Albert B. Rampage, Prime Intellect, and theamateur. I'm wondering if Prime Intellect and theamateur are really the scum-duo, and that Prime Intellect and theamateur are buddying up to albert as a means of trying to make him look more scummy than they look? Hmmm...

Lol you really want to get at least two mislynches, don't you? Lynch Albert today, whoops he was town, let's get Prime and theam. Whoops, one of them was town, too and it's LYLO now. That'd be such an easy win for you at that point.

yes because when 6/9 players agree on the 3 most likely scum, its probable that 2/3 of are scum.

theres always a chance that one of the players in 6 are town, but in this game? probably not. rampage got frustrated that we couldn't get the lynch off on theam and he's dug himself too far a hole. prime, you've been very inconsitent, and your buddying with rampage is horrible and should be punished with a lynch tomorrow.

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Two things I'd like to comment on.

One, I'm glad rampage is out of the game, and we should probably be lynching his replacement if, as I suspect, theam's replacement can string two coherent sentences together.

For now, I'm going to

Unvote

for the sake of no one accidently hammering.

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Oh and I guess there was no followup to that.


Oh yeah. It's funny how rampage claimed to not want to 'play' with certain players here (me), yet he was hardly playing at all! Irony at its finest.

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because two people we suspect are getting replaced and we should hear what they have to say before we hammer.

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no wait, how about we just lynch rampage.

I believe that's what adc was referring too.

I've had a night to sleep on it and I changed my mind.

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I like this replacement. Not quite Albert level yet in terms of hilarity, but he's pretty sharp.

so somehow this still makes him town

Vote:Prime

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Your entire reason for him being town is that "he's hilarious"

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Revenus, get an avatar. And tell me why you thought Albert was scum.

Here's a better question. What did Albert do to convince us he cared at all about the game except being a deadweight to town?


Explain to me why we should even think you're town at all.

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Eh, if you don't see it then I won't explain it to you. I'm not an IC or whatever it's called, so I'm not obligated to explain it, either. I'm just a lowly newbie.

You may not be an IC, but you're obligated to say why you think people are town when they've been anti-town all game.

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I'll let you catch up first.

"I have no reason to, but I'm sure you'll give a decent explanation and I'll claim that it's the reason why I am."

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wait you said you quit yet you're still tunneling kiwi.


and you still haven't given a reason for rampage being town besides "he's town".

his replace is looking "ok" but him including you in town is stupid and makes me believe even more that you two are the likely scumteam.

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you're talking your way to an early grave, scum.

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The reason I included Prime in my list of town players is, quite simply, because I think he's town. It has to do with tone and his method of scum hunting. When I eventually get around to explaining my reads (some time later tonight, hopefully), I'll go into detail with what I mean by this.

his method of scumhunting?


"theamatuer is scum"

"i am vanilla"

"wow really believable claim ok ur not scum"

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close to the chest? you serious?

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theamatuer's replacement not making me feel good about him


how do you explain his early game play? how do you explain any of rampage's play as being townish, and how do you explain prime's reaction to rampage as towny? (directed to don quixote)

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Nothing he said was anti-town? Oh man.

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And Shii, its the same 3 people on Kiwi as before; the replaces coming in and acting the same as their predecessors make me feel uneasy about them

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Here's a summary of abr's posts. Oh hey theamatuer is the lynch today there can be no more discussion. (then 15 posts insulting me and also asking why we aren't hammering theamatuer).
Then he votes kiwi. Then AFTER he votes kiwi he says "i've been thinking about it all night and shes scum" like the next day (so he could justify his random vote on her after seeing theamatuer train fall apart). Then when he sees theamatuer jumping on the kiwi train, he goes "oh hey theamatuer, we're buddies now" even though just a few posts before he is wondering why that lynch was derailed. And then when he gets attacked for this he says (we must have discussion, no one hammer).

Are you telling me none of this is at all scummy?

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ok i just looked over my post and it was terribly incoherent but 'terribly incoherent' about sums up rampage's d1 play

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Are you serious? I've posted reasons for everything I've done, no reason to get angry now that my target is on you.

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And, if I recall correctly, ABR was a large part of the reason theamateur's wagon dissolved, as I think it was alive and kicking at the time he unvoted.

he absolutely was not.

and trying to cut off discussion is simply trying to cut off discussion. that's where YOU'RE wrong.

and saying you're town doesn't make you town.

What things did ABR contribute to scumhunting? He never explained why he voted Kiwi. He just saw an opportunity, and went for it. "He probably spotted the same things that prime and I spotted?". Hell no. He wasn't willing to contribute to discussion, and so even though YOU will pass it off as "yeah we saw the same things".


In any case, he jumped off theamatuer long after it was dead. You trying to have him take credit for that wagon dissolving is laughable.


edit: your play in other games doesn't impact my read of you this game.

edit:prime, if you're gonna pull a rampage, well then I'm not gonna feel any worse about lynching you especially since you've completely dropped any pretense of scumhunting and are now flaming someone you believe to be town at this point.

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"number or ggoodie or someone".

So you're honestly calling half the players possible lynches? Why is number a good lynch? Why is ggoodie a good lynch? Why would I or adc be a good lynch? I am 100% against what either of you do because at this point I think you two are the scumteam. NumberQ just had a good solid townish post, but why no comment on it? You settling for a lynch sounds bad. Real bad.

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Note: This is basic scum play: hey I can't get a lynch off? Well, I'll settle for anyone then, as long as it's not me, my scummate, or the guy we're gonna keep alive because he's been playing so poorly and agrees with us

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I've been posting my thoughts on why I've thought they were town all game. Clearly, if I think these people are town, I'm going to think they're bad lynches.

Yeah there are 2 scum. However, if you've been reading the game at all and trying to scumhunt, you will lower the number of targets town from 9 to say....3?

However, in your case, its from 9 to 6, and apparently any of those 6 people will do.

I thought the object of the game from a town point of view was to explain why people are good lynches, not to defend the entire playerbase when I already implicitly have by calling them town.

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Oh so you already think donquixote/you/rampage are town. Me and shii are town as well, and you are leaning town on adc.


So why post that you'd be willing to compromise on a lynch of "number or ggoodie or

someone

"

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And newsflash to you:if you want people to lynch the people you think are scum, you should probably explain a basis for their lynch.

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I know you want Kiwi as your scum, but you just said "i'll compromise for someone else's lynch"

And then you post this.

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"you couldn't recognize a coherent and well-thought out argument oh but wait I haven't posted any yet"

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and yeah I know you've been tunneling Kiwi all game, it's a bad lynch, and with the 3 scummiest people on it, it makes me feel that much better about her (for now)

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What do I think? It's a bad idea.


What do you think? It's a good idea; but in this game we have to explain why we think lynches are a good idea. I don't have to prove that either of those lynches are bad ideas if you can't prove that theres any basis to them.

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You're really bad at this "constructive discussion" thing, aren't you?

Ok, let me rephrase it.

What do you think about lynching numberQ OR ggoodie?

previewedit: Thanks for proving my point?

Constructive discussion? You put albert on your townlist solely because he is "hilarious" and you put theam/don on your townlist solely because "he claimed vanilla".


When I press you on this you go "bro bro, bro"

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also you asking about millers in this set up is "lol" and we should disregard anything about you asking people to read when you have shown that you haven't even readd the games opening posts.


And how am I saying "no you".

I'm asking you to explain why either of those people are good lynches, since that's what scumhunting is. You shouldn't need me to defend them when you haven't even provided a basis of attack.

And going "yeah bro" to my reasons why your townlist is bad looks really good.

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"No, you."

That's all I'm getting out of you.
We don't even need you in order to have a majority.
It's a shame the scum won't ever kill you, though. You're far too terrible for them to do that.

previewedit: Yeah, bro.

You don't need me?

So it'd be you, zmm, donquixote and who?

Kiwi? no.

Me? no.

The two guys you would be willing to lynch instead of kiwi? no.

Shii has already called one of you or rampage scummy and I doubt he'll be willing to go along with any of the people you listed as scum, especially since he thinks most of them are town.


So 3/9 is a majority now? ok.

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If you can't see that it's not WHAT they say, it's HOW and WHEN they say it, then all I can really tell you is: don't feel bad. It's something that comes in time. Play a bunch of games and maybe you'll start to develop that skill.

I find it funny that someone who says

I have absolutely no experience.
Played IRC mafia a bit, though.

is telling that to someone who has plenty of forum mafia experience.

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So you're pretty much conceding that at this point you're flaming me with no basis right?


Unlike you I read every post in this game.

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good night, hopefully when I get home tomorrow, the good members of town will have at least some consensus on the direction we want to go

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"i don't give a fuck" attitudes are generally those of scum who are too lazy to read the game. town cares about finding scum.

and yes, you do need to give more than just *voting* someone to scumhunt. scumhunting isn't just voting for scum; its rooting them out along with their scumbuddies through their posting weaknesses. playing like an anti-town douche is scummy. therefore, zmm and prime are the scummiest people in the game.

i'm not sure how I feel on DQ just on the basis that I don't see the kiwi/numberq reasons as "very good", but for now he's on the town/scum fence for me.

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And zmm, you specifically haven't been that "scummy" but your defense of rampage's blatant anti-town play (which no one seems to think is pro-town except you) makes me think that you're just trying to salvage your scumteam.

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and its funny how you go out of your way to defend prime, when the only person he's given reasons for being scum is kiwi.

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btw Don, if you're gonna call anyone scummy, I'd like for you to explain the case on them. 4 posts with "linking" just to PK's posts, with nothing on numberQ screams that you are either as lazy as rampage, or that you don't have a case on them.

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lazy=antitown. being anti-town is scummy. there is correlation between being lazy and being scum. don't deny it.

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I've read and played in plenty of games.


What is with these people lecturing me to read games? Jesus.

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Hi. I'm Donquixote and only have 8 posts on a mafia playing website. I tell other people to read and play in more games before they question my version of what is a scumtell.


My reads are very solid every game. Laziness and failure to

read the game

are basic scumtells.

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the guy who believed the vanilla claim instantly is laughing at me. oh no

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Are you kidding me? You defend albert's play by linking to another game yet the second post he makes that game contains more content than all he has in this game.

Also, Prime has looked better, but still don't like him. He did bring up a good point on ggoodie though.

Unvote
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nah. no more discussion please.

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I won't humor you because I don't need to explain things to scum.

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I do love some man cock.


Maybe tomorrow

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btw, Revenus, you're still going about proving this "point" you're trying to make the wrong way. Albert was trying to cut discussion because he didn't want people to discuss who was most likely scum or town based on theamateur's flip because it would influence the night kill... whereas people have already given full reads now, and not giving explanations only helps scum and disadvantages town here.

My main problem with Rampage (and you defending him) is he didn't want discussion period. Look at his posts and tell me which one of them provided content at all.


Hell, he even said "I'm not going to discuss anything until there are unvotes" and then proceeded to not discuss anything.

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suddenly throwing your vote down is content?


ho ho ho

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I think they're town because I've been on the same wavelength as them; I shouldn't need to defend the lynches you think are good; you need to present better arguments to convince me.


"so I see no need to acknowledge anything you write...blah blah blah"

oh hey, another worthless rampage clone.

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Going "you're wrong" over and over again isn't going to convince me either.

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to be honest, i'm most sold on adc being town

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Also I don't like that Kiwi has ZMM/theam/prime on her town list.


Grrr.

I'm going to have to go through and reread the game which is unfortunate.

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i wouldn't say change of heart, but i'm disappointed that several people are not bringing anything to the table at this point in the game.

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don't be retarded

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this makes me sad

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What ego? It makes me sad that people keep going like "hammer because day should end now"


We saw how badly that could have gone before. 2 weeks, etc.

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I'm stubborn because I don't want day to end yet? Ok.

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I can live with ZMM getting lynched. I'm unsure on Kiwi being scum right now and therefore don't feel comfortable hammering.

Although I did go back and look at some of my logic attacking her, but since then I feel she's had a better day.


That said, if she does flip scum I believe donquixote

should

be in the clear as town

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Shiidaji is a chick?


Hey babee can i get yo digets

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also you needed to point out that the 3 stooges are voting together?


how cognizant of you.

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there literally was nothing else to comment on

(that i care about)


other than your scumlist that includes adc is wrong

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Vanilla townie claims are worthless in this setup.

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so your claim has as much weight to it as theam's did which is none.

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Like, what else are you gonna claim (if you're scum)? Doc? Cop? JK? If you're claiming D1 you risk getting murdered by the counter and for a scumteam of 2 people that's not a good risk to take.


Maybe on D2 when you figure out that theres no JK or whatever then you claim it and confuse town, but for now, lol you for even asking for a comment on your worthless claim.

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(I still am not sure whether your town or scum though, so I still refuse to hammer)

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What? What kind of logic is that? Claiming VT literally makes no difference to the game. If I'm scum I'm claiming it and I can use your logic.


If I'm doc/jk/cop at this point I'm claiming VT in the hopes of catching gambiting scum lying about being my role.


Claiming VT is useless and attempting to sway me based on that is even more useless. I'm not tunneling on you. Clearly I've already said (i'm not sure if you're scum or not)


I was tunneling Prime and he's posted well and no longer do I have the blinkers on.


Stop flailing.

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Kiwi; fear of hammering town should not dissuade someone from hammering someone they believe is scum.

I still feel ZMM is the best lynch though.

But Kiwi, I feel like you're flailing. Bringing up a vanilla claim and using it to meta defend yourself is not a very good defense.

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BUT ARE YOU FLAILING SCUM OR FLAILING TOWN?!

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One day, we'll all look back on this game and I'll say to you, "Man, that was silly.... mates?" and you'll be like "Sure," and I'll be like "psych. I hate you. You were wrong and your reads were terrible. Never argue with me again."

rofl I will always be a better player than someone who tries to justify anti-town activity as the "right play"

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BTW, stop claiming vanilla, especially if you are vanilla. It makes scum find power easier, it makes 0 (motherfucking zero if you want me to spell it out) progress in helping town find more scum (since the claim can't be verified and we have no millers or anything...this is an open set up people) so therefore it is an anti town action.


If theam/kiwi are telling the truth and town and we end up not lynching kiwi, AND we mislynch a townie, scum will have 4 targets to choose from to shoot at.

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unless you do it so people buy your claim (hello prime)


then its a good move.

HI! IM VANILLA TOWNIE PLEASE THIS CLAIM MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.


If you're a vanilla, you play your best and hope to god scum shoots you at night instead of the PRs

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(also that post was sarcastic so I don't want anyone quoting it going LOLOLOL BLARGH)

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That's illogical. Claiming Vanilla on Day 1 doesn't help scum find PR's. As I explained, all players would claim vanilla on Day 1, and perhaps even on Day 2. Claiming Vanilla on Day 1 does not affect the game in any way.

Uh yeah it does. Clearly you haven't been reading any of PI's posts

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I wasn't asking her to claim PR when she wasn't, I was just saying claiming at all is useless.


If I'm PR I'm claiming nilla at this point.

If I'm scum I'm contemplating gambling and claiming PR.

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I wasn't asking her to claim PR when she wasn't, I was just saying claiming at all is useless.

That's what I said.

If I'm scum I'm contemplating gambling and claiming PR.

What. This contradicts what you just said. Claiming is useless D1 because scum wouldn't want to claim a PR yet. A PR wouldn't dare claim on D1; they would just be night killed. You would have to be mentally challenged to claim PR as scum on Day 1.

Claiming d1 is useless. If you claim VT, which 99% of people do if they're claiming, its worthless to town. If you claim PR D1, I'm lynching your ass.

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Oh, so I'm scum now, and I'm stupid enough to 'instruct' my fellow scumteam on what to do not on my scum board, but in the actual game.


Is that what you're arguing. Lol.

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And what changed on your views on me between today and your other 2 walls on me (covering the exact same posts) saying I was town?


btw, if I'm town, I can't 'bus' people. Because, you know, that would require me being scum.

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hello dropkick murphy.


do u have anything to add to the game

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yup, waiting on various people to respond t ovarious situations and want to hear the new guy

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i'd like to replace into princess kiwi's spot

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I'm willing to lynch DQ because I feel like his flip will potentially tell me a lot about PK's alignment.

Thoughts?...Prime? Rev? Anyone who's actually paying attention to the game?

Suddenly I'm ok with this given that DQ has barely played and played even less when he's gotten attention called towards his lack of content

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Remember that you're the IC, do you really want newbs to play like that?

Content will appear when I find something interesting, obviously. I'm not a player who posts for the sake of posting.

"I haven't read the game at all, perhaps it is because I am scum and do not need to read the game"

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you're bad. finish reading the game before you post

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"Hi. i'm dropkick murphy. never insult players (that i am currently sucking off) but fuck you revenus."


kk

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Game has stalled but I like that I woke up to find a bunch of posts.

zmm:Has posted well, and even though I don't like his defense of ABR, it's just personal preference of playstyle at this point ( I guess) and I've at least liked that the IC of the game is helping and directing scum hunting in a logical, useful way. Leaning town.

Sotty:Was on the fence on Kiwi, leaning town now. Like his posts a lot.


Dropkick Murphy:was townish on ggodie, but leaning scum on you. You've promised us that you were gonna read the game, but all you've done is sit here and insult people and put FOS's on people who even look at your direction. Since I'm not going to be able to achieve a lynch of PI, who is still on my scumlist, I'll go with you instead

Vote:DKM

kibbles:lol you mad bro? (btw, through META it is impossible that abr/theam's replacement/slots are both scum)

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hey dkm, instead of relying on policy votes, why don't you....read the game and actually scumhunt


also

Rev, you think that everyone who disagrees with you is insulting scum, don't you?

what does that even mean!?!?!?!?

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Uh, you're trying to scumhunt? You haven't even read the game.

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And ZMM disagrees with me, and I find him townish. So what now?

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but that disproves your entire point that I find people who disagree with me as scum.


And

If you don't think I've read the game yet you're the one who should read.

Point me to exactly where you've shown you've read the game. All I have from you so far are quotes like "does it matter if I've read the game or not"

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Maybe I have finished my reading, maybe not. Why do you think that this is important?

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You have posted absolutely 0 thoughts on players other than the ones who have been posting since you've joined the game. You're looking for ways to "scumhunt" which just consist of aruging that the people attacking you are scum. You haven't read the game, you haven't posted any thoughts on any players besides myself, sotty, and zmm, and you're playing defensively right off the bat. None of it adds up very well.

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oh wait, you've done a useless wall of scum for the first 20 pages.

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"try to do somehting at all"


I'd say I've propelled this game's discussion, and my vote is on you, meaning I want your lynch.

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Also, being in the game for 2 "fucking" days is obviously a great excuse for having nothing to contribute to the game amirite?

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All I'm hearing is "blah blah blah I get offended easily blah blah blah I haven't scumhunted"

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yup, this coming from the guy where half his posts are "i can't contribute at all"

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If you look at DKM's posts, he has about 1 post where he actually posts thoughts on the game, and the rest are either

a. promising he'll give content
or
b. saying he's given content and wondering why people are accusing him of being scum

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also

mod:prod on numberQ please

And DKM, I don't need to "prove" anything. My posts have "proved" that I at least try to contribute to town.


1. I'll react like any time someone gets mislynched if I'm voting them; disappointed, but then I look for bad reasoning on your wagon and try to find scum from there.
2. I thought Kiwi was townish, and Sotty has posted content that I've agreed with.
3. Ggoodie was town because I agreed with a lot of his views, but other players brought up scummy behavior with him, which I considered, but put away. But since you've replaced into the game, you've looked horrible.



I'd like some thoughts from you on each of the other players, since I so kindly answered your questions.

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Uh, instead of me convincing you, why don't you post a case for me being scum in the first place buddy?

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"i'm not sure what makes someone scum, but revenus, prove to me you aren't"


these are the caliber of players we are dealing with here

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It is not up to town to prove that they're townish; they do this via scumhunting. Scum not only has to fake scumhunting but has to appear more town as well; although it is nice for town to look more town, it is not strictly necessary (although some people like to do it eihter way), and I let my scumhunting show people that I'm town.

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And frankly, I am not impressed. So far, this kinda sucks...

No one is here to cater to you. If you are a small child and feel this way, the please feel free to replace out. Not gonna sit here and listen to another players whining for 2 weeks.

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WAAAAAAAAH

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so sotty and adc are bussing each other in a 9 person game.

kk

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It'd be stupid at this point in the game.

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Also because adc is town.

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i'm not under suspicion. you're wrong.

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And you're funny. What I meant was we only have each other's words that we are what we are, and no one is going to admit to being Scum. You said flat out "

Also because adc is town.

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But you don't know that for sure, just like you don't know if I'm town, I don't know if you are scum, and we don't know if DKM is the friggin' tooth fairy. The game is called Mafia. Can we vote now?

oh this game is called mafia?


and yeah, adc is town. get over yourself.

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for now.

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neither of the replacements have done anything particularly scummy and I'm not sticking my vote on someone just because they have a bunch of votes on them.

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i don't have to admit anything.

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and if I had definitive proof that he was town, that would mean I was scum.

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but seriously he's town

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He hasn't. Even if he has, he doesn't know what to look for, as he said himself.

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His entire reasoning on sotty is bad. I understand the case on Kiwi, but sotty has posted well, and he's using some reasons that you were using, and yet at the same time accusing you of being scum as well.

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Who's in theam's slot right now?

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Reasoning on this vote is twofold. One, if he flips scum, it confirms ZMM as town. Two, it means that sotty's slot is likely scum.

Also, the person in this slot has no idea how to scumhunt anyways, so no big loss if town.

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Oh yeah, he confirms ZMM as town because theam went outside the game in order to try to complain about ABR, which I doubt they pull if they are on a scumteam together.

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It's sad that I have to rely on this reasoning at this point in the game, but honestly with all these replacements, I am doubting some of my earlier reads.

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I heard voting someone because "just because" is a great reason.


Just vote kibbles. He's clearly the best lynch at this point.

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And SRG, that's not my entire case. There's much more that I'm sure you and Kibbles haven't bothered to read.

I READ THE WHOLE DAMN THING. WHO DO YOU NEED TO HEAR IT FROM? MY GIRLFRIEND? I've only been talking about this damn game to her for nearly 3 days now.

VOTE:Adc75

because I couldn't care less anymore.

Like what the hell.

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I really doubt sotty is scum.

Also, kibbles, if you think there is "very little to go on" then you really need to stop talking because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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if you can't find anything in your summary, you need to ask yourself; why did I summarize this.

Good scum players aren't going to make their intentions obvious.

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What point were you making? That you couldn't find anything in 48 pages?

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It's not lost on me; you just seem to be still confused on how to actually find scum in this game.

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gasp 2 people i didn't want lynched were town what a suprise

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also, <b>##Vote:Shii</b>


goodbye scum

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Shii wanted to vote sotty over "information"

however he has provided nothing to follow that up with.

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Can we compromise on a shii lynch?

Vote:Shiidaji

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Ok, before anyone rushes to judgement, we have 7 players left at this point.


One of SRG and ZMM are lying. Obviously.

Should we trust SRG, who is scummy as hell, or zmm, who has played pretty well since replacing into ABR's slot.


Ok, say we lynch either one of them, and they're town. We mislynch, and its down to 5 people, but since its still 3-2 in towns favor, we murder the lying scum. Then the next day, it will be 2-1, and obviously we know what happens there.

If they're scum, then we'll be up 4-1 on d3. I feel like SRG was feeling the heat on him and his partner, who is very likely Shii based on the way the votes fell, and along with us knowing that DKM is innocent, SRG should be the lynch.


If we lynch zMM, scum team will absolutely 100% shoot DKM (if zmm is innocent), leaving us with 0 confirmed on d3. If zmm is telling the truth and we lynch shii, we have more to gain, since that will leave us up 1 confirmed person.

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To sum it up: obviously one of zmm/srg is scum, and should be lynched.

If zmm is telling the truth, and we lynch srg, zmm will be dead tomorrow, but we as town will be up one confirmed person in DKM, and thus will be far ahead in the game.

I feel like this is the best play to go off of at this point.

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Town: Can't you see what he's left open with this claim? He's left that if he's wrong about me or his other scum suspect that he can get away with it. With me, I have to be telling the truth or i die next day anyway. He's doing this because he has an out, something i do not.

Neither of you have outs. One of you is getting lynched. Does town trust you or zmm more? I know who I'm going with.

Unvote
Vote:SRG

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Ok, hypothetically, if we lynch SRG (as should happen), AND zmm is telling the truth

then our playerlist tomorrow will be

PI
Shii
kibbles
myself
DKM

I find PI/kibbles somewhat scumy, but I will give kibbles the benefit of the doubt since he is entirely new, and based on how yesterday's vote went down, I'd rather vote shii at this point purely because his reasons for voting sotty/kiwi were much worse. "information?" Come on bro.

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I won't. But I'll likely be dead when we have to make that decision anyways on the final day. Lynching you buys me another day to figure out the game. The final scum is either shii or prime.

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And, SRG, if you could read, if we mislynch today, the other person is getting murdered the next day.

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Also, SRG, this is why you are scum.

zmm made a very cop-like vote today when he laid his vote down on you with the first post. It took you a goddamn while to lay the counter down on him, and it feels like that only happened far after you felt the pressure on you and your teammate, and you gambled on fakeclaiming the cop, hoping you'd at least buy some time for shii to finish off the game

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He came into d2 and laid a vote on the person he scanned guilty.

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that's not what i meant to say at all, oops

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Oh, so I'm his scum partner now.


What a terrible scumteam.

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btw, I'm doing this as a precauction, since if PI's vote counts, SRG is at -1

Unvote

I want to at least see shii/prime post about today. Along with everyone else.

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Your mess up vote revenu's - it likely wasn't a simple mistake - it could well have been the tell that muffin mentioned.

That's how votes on the mafia board I usually play at function. Notice the ## as well.

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oooooooooo noooooooooooo


but yea, we would have to be the most terrible scumteam ever if we were found by someone in this manner.


trust me, if me and zmm were on a scumteam, I'd be bussing him like hell.

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or would i

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What makes you think I'm explicitly scum beyond the two posts I made int his topic?

I very clearly was opposed to sotty's lynch. I lead discussion. Did you have a town read on me d1? Oh wait, all of this doesn't matter because a scum's "suspicions" are worthless.



and

that was exactly my reading of it zmm. He doesn't want to mention anything about numberq/srg's slot that will explicitly tie them together so he does the easy (and noob) route of simply going "well i dunno lol"

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Absolutely not, as scum can say whatever they want to either hide or not hide their partner.

And plus, when you accuse someone who is town of being scum why the hell would I consider your suspicions. How does you saying I'm scum help out my finding of your partner?

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Revenu's please put your vote back, i'd like to prove to the town that muffin is lying here and now. and my god if i'm going to face lynch for the first time in over 10 games, i wish to do so by my own vote.

No. Anyone can hammer you at this point, and I don't want your potential scum partner coming in, hammering, and going like "OH HEY LOOK I OBVIOUSLY TOWN"

I dont' want to prove anything, I want to figure out who tomorrow's lynch is.

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And self-hammering is goddamn awful unless you're scum. If you're town, then you put your vote on zmm and try to drum up support for his lynch.


In absolutely no situation in this setup is a self-lynch good as town.

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Or its the same thing when we vote you and then get more discussion to help us find the other scum.


You know what else would prove muffin is scum? Lynching him.

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Wait, you're gonna self-vote SRG?

Absolutely, I'm not going to argue this same point all day / for however many weeks it takes to get a lynch generating 30 odd pages of crap for people to have to shuffle through to find your partner muffin.

I subscribe to town self hammering being anti-town practically on every occassion, i also used to think that there was never a good reason for town to fake claim however i did that in another newbie game which helped town win. In this case, it would be good.

I flip town, muffin is proven to be the scum, the day moves on to him.

WAIT? You fake claimed?

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wait, why am i suprised.

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oh ok, because you fake claimed in another game, it makes it ok to self hammer in this game.


gotcha.

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btw,zmm, I would recommend unvoting him just so someone dumb doesn't come in and go "oh hey he's scum, i'll vote him" and then srg will self hammer.

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oh ok, because you fake claimed in another game, it makes it ok to self hammer in this game.


gotcha.

Not what i'm saying, learn to read.

What ARE you trying to say then?


You were sayin that you fake claimed in another game. It helped town. Therefore, doing something that is far more anti town is also gonna help town? This argument is stupid,a nd if you were actually the cop you'd be fighting to stay alive on the offchance scum doesn't kill you the next night.

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I don't really care what game he did it in, I'm just trying to figure out how he's trying to convince everyone that its the same thing.

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oh and if srg is the actual cop then town deserves to lose.

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In this particular setup, it's just a bad idea to ever self-hammer unless you're scum who wants to cut off discussion.

ding ding ding.


Trying to pull this when only really 3 people have talked about today? Yeah right.

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Ending this day early tremendously hurts town. We can ignore both of you if we choose to and focus on other people.

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Um. Ok hold up SRG. We lose because you didn't try to push zmm's lynch without claiming as cop; to me it looks like you claimed it in hopes of derailing the train on both yourself and shii.

And your first sentence makes no sense; at his point it'd only be 1 town member voting for you (PI) since you think the scumteam is myself and zmm. And scum can give guitlies. You're sacrificing yourself to save your scummate. Simple.

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And taking the counterclaim isn't explicitly bad. Just fyi.

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When did I do that?

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Anyways, I'm off, if I get back and SRG has self-hammered I will be terribly disappointed in all of you.



and theres a difference between counterclaim and countervote. dumbass.

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I don't play in fear of people who are obviously bad at this game laughing at me.

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Vote: Shiidaji

Just in case SRG selfhammers.
Also, why not leave the cop ccs alone today? All the more info for us tomorrow.
I'll be back later.

um what. one of them is scum. the other is a cop. the other one will be dead tomorrow.


hate this post so much.


perhaps prime is the second scum after all.

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How would it at all be good to not lynch the cops today? Are you kidding me?

SRG, are you serious? You have a guy scanned "guilty" and now you're arguing that it'd be a good idea to leave him alive.

Wow.

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meant to say one of the cop claims*


but still.

you scan a guy guilty, you lynch him, it clears you.

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Wait, SRG, how the hell would the cop live through the night if we don't kill one of them? Scum will kill whichever one of you is telling the truth. This line of logic is moronic. Prime dies tomorrow.

Vote:SRG

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And why did you scan zmm? The only person you suspected yesterday was adc, and your vote was still on zmm because you forgot to pull off him; or more likely you saw the sotty lynch going well and didn't feel the need to pull off of him.

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....


I can't believe someone is seriously arguing that the scum would want to leave the cop alive.

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BTW, you can self hammer now.

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.....


how about this. we lynch one of you (srg), celebrate when you flip scum, then go after the guy (prime) who offered you this retarded idea in the first place.

Sound good?

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I seriously am just going to ignore everything you post from now on because your line of stupid logic is hurting my brain. Work on your grammar bro.

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I think it's Kibbles. Note that I was his top town read yesterday and today I was a scumread, before I even posted during the day, without any mention of rereading. DOES NOT COMPUTE.

I'm going to pass him off as being bad town who doesn't know how to find scum, in fact, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that he'd be the one person in town who would believe this guys lies.

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Tosh.0

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Anyways, using some dudes name to describe my posts is not very Gary Busey of you.

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You can't. You're really not capable of expressing yourself like that.

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Also I enjoy how SRG has given up attacking the guy he claims to have scanned and instead is insisting that they both be left alive.

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Anyways, I'm out for now. Make the right decision and burn this fool to the ground.

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He knows that I am scum

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How the fuck am I retarded. Prime and srg are seriously making the argument that scum won't kill the cop. If we mislynch shii we go down to a 3-2 town/scum. We mislynch the cop and we lose.

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only srg or zmm are getting lynched today. no one else should be even considered

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Exactly.

Day is set. Can someone please hammer SRG?

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That's some really insane paranoia Shii, but think about it. zMM will be one step behind in who he declares innocent since he already has DKM as innocent. He'll be screwed at final 3.



I think Shii is town and PI is the last scum.

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And plus if the claimed cop is alive at 3, then you kill him plain and simple.

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AND, plus, if a jailkeeper or another cop flips we'll know they're both lying anyways

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Or we could just have one powerrole, which would suck, but hey.

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Too much paranoia. And plus, Prime is arguing the inane logic that somehow scum would want to keep a cop alive.

The 2 cop gambit is flat out retarded and if scum manages to trick town that way, well, then we deserve it.

For example, if you start innoscanning people that you thought were town, like myself, then we should autolynch you.


Anyways, end day. If somehow zmm is alive 2 days from now and hasn't scanned anyone guilty, then he burns.

At this point my lynch preference would be

SRG
Prime
Shii/kibbles

then I'm assuming the rest are town. Kibbles and Shii are town in my book after today.

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yup

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Yup, calling me a retard many times definately isn't flaunting insults in front of the mod after he has warned YOU, prime, time and time again not to do it.

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Don't be frustrated that I've nailed, singlehandedly, both scum. Goodbye SRG today. Goodbye Prime tomorrow. You guys have played "well". For bad players, I mean. So pretty poorly for anyone else.

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Man, look at these terrible scum getting all flustered that because I ruined their game plans.

Don't worry, you can keep playing in newbie games to learn basic game mechanics.

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kibbles, have you even read today?

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Posting after the hammer allowed?

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K, thanks

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Actually, DKM, SRG pretty much confirmed me as town in his twilight posts.

Also I'm pretty much confirmed town since I went with SRG"s lynch over our real cop.


I'm also pretty sure kibbles is town.

Town:
Myself
DKM
Kibbles

One of these two is scum then, Prime/Shii.

I'd like to vote Prime, just because I've felt worse about him all game, and because he was pushing his insane logic that we leave both cops alive yesterday, even though one of them was CONFIRMED as scum.

If prime flips town then obviously we lynch shii. Scum has to kill DKM tonight because he's confirmed as innocent, so town has a huge edge at this point (oh wait that was entirely the point of lynching SRG yesterday; to give town advantage)

Vote:Prime

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Also, what makes kibbles town is that our scumbo numberQ was perfectly content with his lynch off the bat; I don't think scum would be willing to bus on day 1 so easily.