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@Romanus Don't OMGUS, that pretty much got me killed me on my last game.
Experience: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=16842 and one or two of the card version at school.
Why's this fun?: I dunno. I just find it fun.
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Yea I know. Just saying that they OMGUS'd, which isn't normally a good thing to do.WingDamage9001 wrote:
Coaching a bit here? Romanus is the IC here, I think he/she(?) understands basic gameplay. Why do you direct him/her(?)?Prosaurus wrote:@Romanus Don't OMGUS, that pretty much got me killed me on my last game[Win/Loss-Team]
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I suppose your answer is the closest I could get. I haven't exactly played many games, and so far I've only been town.crazypianist1116 wrote: 2. Why do you enjoy playing mafia?
My answer to one is in my wiki which should be linked on the left hand side. As for two, I really enjoy the game because it's a great battle of wits and logical deduction when you're town, and when you're mafia, it's a great game of deception[Win/Loss-Team]
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Analysing: [L]
Casual RVS stuff. But I thought you thought that they were called 'WingDamaged'?[L] wrote:Vote: WingDamage, cos his wings had to have gotten damaged from violent activity.
Don't see what you mean here.[L] wrote:I don't like bad people. Why do you like the evil one?
You seem to like town... Always a good thing. If you're such a horrible liar though, I'll be watching for any lies, I'm sure the others will be too.[L] wrote:@WingDamage: hehe, I see that now that I'm on a larger screen. I misread your name as "WingDamaged" on my iPod. So whose wings will you be damaging tonight? >__>
@Crazy:
1. I've been playing real life mafia for about 10 years with a solid group of friends, with intermittent change-ups. I've played a couple games here on mafiascum, but I was seriously intimidated.
2. I enjoy playing mafia because I love reading people and using my intuition. The latter oftentimes is not accepted among the males... but I am usually pretty accurate. Playing online affords me the chance to read over discussions many times, to get a better feel for people. I'm a horrible liar. I always get caught as mafia. As such, I much prefer to play as an innocent....usually not even as a power role.~tldr: I like reading people.
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[L] wrote:@cjdrum: hehehe, Usually on day 1 or day 2... I have a bad record. Once I made it to the end as Mafia by not saying anything and looking distracted the entire game... Everyone didn't expect that xD
I'd say my best strength is being a prosecutor.
Speaking of which, why are some of your questions to these players pointed, while others are fluffy (for lack of a better word)?
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*@Misder: On two occasions, you have stated your surety of my innocence. I don't trust you; just being upfront. It seems as though you are trying to be my buddy, hoping that I will extend the courtesy of dropping suspicion of you. :/
Why exactly have you pegged me as an innocent?
@Prosaurus: I am in the Eastern time zone (GMT -5). My activity will be sporadic and not limited to certain times of the day. But I will at least post everyday. Could you expound the game mechanics that make Mafia "fun" for you?
@cjdrum: Regarding "fresh new reason"...
Unvote: WingDamage
This vote was random.
Vote: Misder
Because I am following a hunch; I do not like how he can decide so early in the game that I am innocent.
@McGriddle: Could you share more about how this "winning" occurs?
@MuffinMan: After reading your friend's games, what is one thing you learned? What appeals to you to make this game interesting?
@Romanus: What game mechanics in Mafia appeal to your personality? What are the "itty bitty things" that spurred your vote? Please expand.
@WingDamage: Expound on what is "fun" about mafia by sharing your favorite game mechanic.
@All: Banzaii!! Feed meh*So why have you pinned them as scummy? Redirecting attention, or being honest?
As for your hunch, I see your reasoning (Mafia know who's town and who isn't), but it's still too early to pin these labels on anyone.
True. But this may be scummy. Mafia don't wish people to be cleared, as it makes those people harder to lynch, meaning a night kill must be used on them, but then people will know that person's reads were honest.[L] wrote:"clearing" anyone this early in the game is not possible.
As people in my last game said, Mafia tend to be the ones who can't get reads (Real or false).[L] wrote:@Misder: After reading your post, and evaluating MuffinMan's post - I can't get a read on him at all. Like, nada. What are you reading differently from me? What makes you think he is innocent?
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To be honest, I think crazy explained it much better than you did.Romanus wrote:As IC: I did not just use the abbreviation RVS. I used the words Random Vote Stage, which I think is pretty self explanatory. Are you really accusing me of thinking people are smart and stupid at the same time? Also, I wanted to post early to demonstrate how things kinda work. I don't know how things work on other boards. I also know that the opening of the game is the stage that is the hardest to get through.[Win/Loss-Team]
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Analysis on: Misder
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Fair enough. The thing here is, if he keeps his vote, people could say he has no valid reason to vote. Watch what happens if he unvotes.Misder wrote:Unvote [L]
Agreed. This is pretty slow.Misder wrote:1. Few. 0 on this forum though, so the way I play may be a bit different. Oh, and epicmafia, but that's a completely different game imo.
2. It's all about deception and hunting. And it feels good to nail down mafia or completely messing with town.
@crazy- I got a response from [L] and I'm satisfied. Really, no reason to vote for someone that I feel is less scummy than the rest, even if it is RVS.
Also, this game pace is really slow from what I'm used to... zzzzz
Misder wrote:Cause I have time, can everyone link one game (from this site or another) that they have played in? It's ok if you don't have a game to link, cause I don't. The forum I played in needed permission to get in...Getting to know people,
Or finding the biggest threat?
NullMisder wrote:US EDT (UTC/GMT -4 hours) Its 11:27 PM right now. My times will vary a lot I think, mostly at my nighttime I suppose.
Odd choice of scumbuddy. Choosing who you think is most town?Misder wrote:@cjdrum
1) not voting yet, waiting for more activity right now
2) as of right now, zMuffinMan. I feel he is most protown right now alongside with [L], but since I already had some sort of relationship with [L] in the RVS stage, zMuffinMan would be the ideal choice.
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So far, I only got one game, and that was from Prosaurus, and I dont know if that was accidental or not.Misder wrote:Cause I have time, can everyone link one game (from this site or another) that they have played in? It's ok if you don't have a game to link, cause I don't. The forum I played in needed permission to get in...
Misder wrote:@[L] It's the same way you are viewing me. I see you as more protown than others (no where do I mention that I'm positive that you are innocent like you state) the same way you view me as more scummy than others. Simple as that. In my book of notes, you and muffin are the only ones that don't have some sort of slight scum read, esp. since you guys questioned the same things I have in my notes, therefore less scummy. I'll agree that it is very early though, which is why I'm holding back all of my thoughts until later when I actually get more evidence on people.If you and [L] were scum, this would put us off it. We'd say only one of you was scum.
Random fluff to start discussionMisder wrote:@Wing, anyone you think is suspicious now that we have pretty much past RVS?
@zMuffinMan Why do you find it demeaning that Romanus is trying to be the IC?
@Romanus, what is your role as the IC and how are you going to accomplish this?
@McGriddle, how did you choose cjdrum as your random vote? Also, why do you like townside better than scumside?
Misder wrote:@[L] Admittedly, he only has two posts and his second one I got a null read also. However, I like his first post only because of his attack on Romanus. These are my notes for him:
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A legit vote cause I was thinking the same thing/or should have been even more, slight town readzMuffinMan wrote:Hi
1. Pretty much none. A friend told me about this game and said it'd be the kind of thing I'd like. He linked me here and I've read a few games he's played in, if that counts for experience at all...1. How much experience playing mafia do you have?
2. Why do you enjoy playing mafia?
2. Well, it looks like I'd find it enjoyable.
Vote: Romanus
I don't see why you needed to tell us that your vote wasn't serious.
Agree with Muffin on second paragraph, read is null on this post, but makes more sense if it was town; if Romanus maf, Muffin town imozMuffinMan wrote:@Romanus
You're giving us zero credit if you really think we need to be spoon-fed that badly. Being new doesn't mean we're stupid.
On the topic of making things clear, could you explain the irony in your reasoning for voting me? Jumping on someone for itty bitty things early on smells of scum to me, so my vote stands.
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I get on when I can, time varies a lot because my current sleeping pattern. I'll probably be posting somewhere between midday and midnight my time most days.
Again, I'm saying that I didn't get a scummy read on him. Everyone else I get something I don't really like.Like attacking the IC, do you?
NullMisder wrote:Sorry, three posts. I mislabeled in my notes, as you can see by my missing number on the second quote x.x' Second quote is post 34. Also, just wondering what your last post is about L.
Misder wrote:@crazy, its the way she plays and how she says things that I like. Sure, maybe first 2 posts aren't ever going to be definite, but that's why I keep note of things that happen after. And with more posts from her, I still like her play except for maybe a small part, but I will still stand that she has pretty much played town so far.
edit before posting: so it seems like pro is on the opposite side of me on [L] which is fine. I disagree with the analysis on the second to last post- I actually view this as town because it pretty much is true. However, I do agree with analysis on the last post, as it did seem a bit scummy to me also, but I view her posts as overall townplay right now.
@zMuffinMan Your vote on Romanus- is it more due to his first post or his OMGUS vote?Making his own analysis on [L]. Good.
Still trying to convince us [L] is town. Scumbuddies,
Or being honest?
Misder wrote:@zMuffinMan
1) In this type of setup, yes. Well, this is my first time playing this setup so uhh... read 2 for more I guess.
2) In other forums where games are much bigger and fast-pased (like 30 ppl and days are 48 hours), it usually started out with just a random lynch, however, these random lynches first start out from voting to lynch inactives, but of course this will lead to discussion, and then, that's where moving the game forward is very easy. I'll also add that I usually don't even participate in the voting to lynch the inactives. In this type of setup, RVS is kind of the same function as what I'm used to; it'll eventually lead to discussion. However, even without RVS, discussion about anything will eventually lead to something (kind of like RQS I guess, but I'm talking about anything here). Of course, deadline is a great incentive to vote, so even if at the end, no one is "scummy", then there will still be an attempted lynch that will move the game forward.
Hope my answers aren't too confusing. I feel like I just blabbled.True, inactives aren't much of a threat to scum, are they?
But you are talking about in other games, so that doesn't really count.
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Analysis on:
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I got six real posts to go off.
Too early to make serious votes. He was voting for the person he had most evidence for, no matter how little that was, as this was RVS.Romanus wrote:@zMuff - I told you it wasn't serious because this is a newbie game, and most especially early on, I feel it is my job as IC to make sure I'm being very clear about what is going on. But jumping on someone for itty bitty things early on smells of scum to me, so this one is serious:
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1) I've been playing off and on for 5 years or so. Started with meat world playing and then found this site. I haven't been around here in a while, but I plan on being a fixture for a while now.
2) Oddly enough, one of the reasons I play is because I teach writing in college and MS contains some of the best essays on the internet. But also, I just love games, from tabletop minis to board, card, Wow. Yeah, I'll play just about any game.
Romanus wrote:To answer the questions that have been directed at me:
I believe it is my role to ease players into playing this game that I believe is valuable and fun. I love writing, and it is a great way to exercise my brain and stretch my writing skills. I made a point to post early. I do not want to assume the level of knowledge of any player. And also, considering the mountain of wiki pages dedicated to strategies and scumtells, I wouldn't be surprised if someone has posited that confirmation order could be a scumtell. I hope to accomplish this by explaining different things that are going on if, and when they need to be explained. And also, to be a good player. I will play to win. I will also keep things in a friendly tone. I want to encourage people to play.
The itty bitty thing that I saw zMuff jump on, was the very thing I described above. He voted me for trying to fulfill my role as IC. I'm not sure why, even if done poorly, this is a good reason to vote someone. Now, zMuff may retort, "But my vote was just as unserious as your vote!" To which I would reply, "But I think it was made to look innocent, so that you could push a wagon for an innocent reason."
But you also haven't been pushing, just waiting.Scum hunting,
But with a lack of evidence.
Romanus wrote:As IC: I did not just use the abbreviation RVS. I used the words Random Vote Stage, which I think is pretty self explanatory. Are you really accusing me of thinking people are smart and stupid at the same time? Also, I wanted to post early to demonstrate how things kinda work. I don't know how things work on other boards. I also know that the opening of the game is the stage that is the hardest to get through.
As Player: I absolutely think that my reason for voting you could be seen as an innocent reason for pushing a wagon. And yes, there is a reason to wait and not push. Right now is not a very good time to dig your heels in.
The most scummy person I see now is Misder. His posts lack genuine scumhunting.
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Vote: MisderGrabbing an instrument and jumping on the wagon.
With evidence though.
An IC asking how to be an IC?Romanus wrote:
As IC: I have no problem admitting that I did it poorly. I'd also love suggestions as to how to do the "ease in" in a better fashion.Prosaurus wrote: To be honest, I think crazy explained it much better than you did.
If you're the one to "ease them into the game" they'll trust you to be town...
Unless you help them scumhunt, while doing it yourself
Romanus wrote:Pressure is a wonderful thing. The fact that we can up the pressure this fast, I believe, is a good thing. I believe to truly move from RVS to real substantive votes, a real wagon has to be formed, with real consequences.Only scum want bandwagons.
Romanus wrote:Let's look at it this way: What real danger is there from a speed lynch? Afraid the scum will come out and get a townie without the town being able to stop it? Um, it's not like we won't know who did it, and they will have a lot to answer for if the speedlynch flips townie. A speed lynch on page 4. I would love it. I would think the scum would have just outed themselves.
Townies best and only weapon is their vote. I treat my vote as a weapon. I hate leaving my vote in an innocuous place. Takes away it's teeth and becomes less of a weapon or no weapon at all.
And I support the Misder wagon up until the point I no longer believe he is likely scum.Only scum want speedlynches.
Conclusion:Very scummy.
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Romanus wrote:What can be more obvious than a page 4 or 5 or even 6 speed lynch? I don't care about shrouding in logic, the action of a speedlynch could not be covered by any amount of disinfectant.
I think L-2 is exactly where he should be right now. L-1 I'd be fine with, then we would get some seriously nervous posts.
I'm really not sure why people are so afraid of actually putting some real pressure on someone.Speed lynches are BAD for town. With 7 town 2 mafia alive, a speed lynch will probably cause it to be 5 town 2 mafia.[Win/Loss-Team]
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I'm going by what I learnt in my previous game. They bandwagoned me, and what happened? They killed the doctor.
I never said he wasn't scum hunting, I said that's what he should be doing.
Like I've said before, I'm trying to think differently. And those last two posts of Romanus' really made me think of him as scummy. Then he changed and started being against bandwagons and speed lynches. Seems suspicious to me.[Win/Loss-Team]
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That's the problem with newbie games. It can be hard to tell.crazypianist1116 wrote:This
followed by thiscjdrum wrote:Wait, I thought we were pressuring Misder?
Um, so, do I vote now, or let somebody else do that :/
I'll go with it.
Unvote: McGriddle
Vote: Misder
And don't hammer 'til we get some stuff from him!
equals this:cjdrum wrote:I must say that was kind of weird-looking. I mean, you convince me to vote Misder, then... Jump off so you're not blamed?
I don't like that. I don't have much experience with that sort of thing, but it seems... off.
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FoS: cjdrum
It's called bandwagonning. Blatent bandwagonning.
I would vote but this:
Makes me think it's more of a newb tell.cjdrum wrote:Lost. Why is the IC being difficult? Is difficulty all of a sudden a good playstyle? :/
Lost.
I'm learning, I'm learning. Doing my best.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Now for a case on prosaurus.
His two analyses on Misder and Romanus were just way off.
I suppose. But if they were scum, they might not act so protown. That was fluff anyway.crazypianist1116 wrote:
That's what RVS is. You could have criticized anyone else on the first page for randomly voting. They all had no reason to vote, but you don't unvote in RVS because it gets you to interesting situations where people start slipping up.Prosaurus wrote:Analysis on: Misder
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Fair enough. The thing here is, if he keeps his vote, people could say he has no valid reason to vote. Watch what happens if he unvotes.Misder wrote:Unvote [L]
Um, scum would obviously want the most pro-town players on their team, ne?Prosaurus wrote:
Odd choice of scumbuddy. Choosing who you think is most town?Misder wrote:@cjdrum
1) not voting yet, waiting for more activity right now
2) as of right now, zMuffinMan. I feel he is most protown right now alongside with [L], but since I already had some sort of relationship with [L] in the RVS stage, zMuffinMan would be the ideal choice.
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So far, I only got one game, and that was from Prosaurus, and I dont know if that was accidental or not.Misder wrote:Cause I have time, can everyone link one game (from this site or another) that they have played in? It's ok if you don't have a game to link, cause I don't. The forum I played in needed permission to get in...
Trying to think differently again. Maybe I shouldn't?crazypianist1116 wrote:
This is very WIFOM-y.Prosaurus wrote:Misder wrote:@[L] It's the same way you are viewing me. I see you as more protown than others (no where do I mention that I'm positive that you are innocent like you state) the same way you view me as more scummy than others. Simple as that. In my book of notes, you and muffin are the only ones that don't have some sort of slight scum read, esp. since you guys questioned the same things I have in my notes, therefore less scummy. I'll agree that it is very early though, which is why I'm holding back all of my thoughts until later when I actually get more evidence on people.If you and [L] were scum, this would put us off it. We'd say only one of you was scum.
I was thinking, wouldn't scum like to get rid of the IC? Sometimes I think having an IC can ruin newbie games...crazypianist1116 wrote:
Like not pointing out at all what's scummy or why the IC shouldn't be attacked, do you?Prosaurus wrote:Misder wrote:@[L] Admittedly, he only has two posts and his second one I got a null read also. However, I like his first post only because of his attack on Romanus. These are my notes for him:
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A legit vote cause I was thinking the same thing/or should have been even more, slight town readzMuffinMan wrote:Hi
1. Pretty much none. A friend told me about this game and said it'd be the kind of thing I'd like. He linked me here and I've read a few games he's played in, if that counts for experience at all...1. How much experience playing mafia do you have?
2. Why do you enjoy playing mafia?
2. Well, it looks like I'd find it enjoyable.
Vote: Romanus
I don't see why you needed to tell us that your vote wasn't serious.
Agree with Muffin on second paragraph, read is null on this post, but makes more sense if it was town; if Romanus maf, Muffin town imozMuffinMan wrote:@Romanus
You're giving us zero credit if you really think we need to be spoon-fed that badly. Being new doesn't mean we're stupid.
On the topic of making things clear, could you explain the irony in your reasoning for voting me? Jumping on someone for itty bitty things early on smells of scum to me, so my vote stands.
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I get on when I can, time varies a lot because my current sleeping pattern. I'll probably be posting somewhere between midday and midnight my time most days.
Again, I'm saying that I didn't get a scummy read on him. Everyone else I get something I don't really like.Like attacking the IC, do you?
What do ya mean? It's WIFOMy.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Trying to put words into people's mouths much? Regarding the quote in question:Prosaurus wrote:Misder wrote:@crazy, its the way she plays and how she says things that I like. Sure, maybe first 2 posts aren't ever going to be definite, but that's why I keep note of things that happen after. And with more posts from her, I still like her play except for maybe a small part, but I will still stand that she has pretty much played town so far.
edit before posting: so it seems like pro is on the opposite side of me on [L] which is fine. I disagree with the analysis on the second to last post- I actually view this as town because it pretty much is true. However, I do agree with analysis on the last post, as it did seem a bit scummy to me also, but I view her posts as overall townplay right now.
@zMuffinMan Your vote on Romanus- is it more due to his first post or his OMGUS vote?Making his own analysis on [L]. Good.
Still trying to convince us [L] is town. Scumbuddies,
Or being honest?
Again, thinking differently.crazypianist1116 wrote:
[L] was contradicting cjdrum, who was calling [L] "cleared" town. [L] replied by saying that clearing anyone is not possible. Thinking anyone is "cleared" can lead to tunneling as well as ignoring the "cleared" person. Which can be really bad if the "cleared" person is scum. [L]'s quote was town.Prosaurus wrote:
True. But this may be scummy. Mafia don't wish people to be cleared, as it makes those people harder to lynch, meaning a night kill must be used on them, but then people will know that person's reads were honest.[L] wrote:"clearing" anyone this early in the game is not possible.
Eh. Still learning.crazypianist1116 wrote:
There's a reason there's a phrase called Lynch all Lurkers. Not that I subscribe to it, but active lurking can be very scummy. You still have the power to vote and do night actions, but you aren't contributing to discussion at all. Lurking or flaking on the other hand is more of a null tell.Prosaurus wrote:Misder wrote:@zMuffinMan
1) In this type of setup, yes. Well, this is my first time playing this setup so uhh... read 2 for more I guess.
2) In other forums where games are much bigger and fast-pased (like 30 ppl and days are 48 hours), it usually started out with just a random lynch, however, these random lynches first start out from voting to lynch inactives, but of course this will lead to discussion, and then, that's where moving the game forward is very easy. I'll also add that I usually don't even participate in the voting to lynch the inactives. In this type of setup, RVS is kind of the same function as what I'm used to; it'll eventually lead to discussion. However, even without RVS, discussion about anything will eventually lead to something (kind of like RQS I guess, but I'm talking about anything here). Of course, deadline is a great incentive to vote, so even if at the end, no one is "scummy", then there will still be an attempted lynch that will move the game forward.
Hope my answers aren't too confusing. I feel like I just blabbled.True, inactives aren't much of a threat to scum, are they?
But you are talking about in other games, so that doesn't really count.
In my last game, people were doing serious votes with very little evidence. I supposed that's what people were doing here.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Ha funny. You criticize Romanus for making a serious vote yet it's a response to muffin's serious vote. Romanus saw Muffin's vote as bad. I think that's quite obvious.Prosaurus wrote:
Too early to make serious votes. He was voting for the person he had most evidence for, no matter how little that was, as this was RVS.Romanus wrote:@zMuff - I told you it wasn't serious because this is a newbie game, and most especially early on, I feel it is my job as IC to make sure I'm being very clear about what is going on. But jumping on someone for itty bitty things early on smells of scum to me, so this one is serious:
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1) I've been playing off and on for 5 years or so. Started with meat world playing and then found this site. I haven't been around here in a while, but I plan on being a fixture for a while now.
2) Oddly enough, one of the reasons I play is because I teach writing in college and MS contains some of the best essays on the internet. But also, I just love games, from tabletop minis to board, card, Wow. Yeah, I'll play just about any game.
I didn't think it would be that early on.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Evidence in bold. Regardless, why the second sentence isn't red, I don't know as lack of evidence is a scum tell.Prosaurus wrote:Romanus wrote:To answer the questions that have been directed at me:
I believe it is my role to ease players into playing this game that I believe is valuable and fun. I love writing, and it is a great way to exercise my brain and stretch my writing skills. I made a point to post early. I do not want to assume the level of knowledge of any player. And also, considering the mountain of wiki pages dedicated to strategies and scumtells, I wouldn't be surprised if someone has posited that confirmation order could be a scumtell. I hope to accomplish this by explaining different things that are going on if, and when they need to be explained. And also, to be a good player. I will play to win. I will also keep things in a friendly tone. I want to encourage people to play.
The itty bitty thing that I saw zMuff jump on, was the very thing I described above. He voted me for trying to fulfill my role as IC. I'm not sure why, even if done poorly, this is a good reason to vote someone.Now, zMuff may retort, "But my vote was just as unserious as your vote!" To which I would reply, "But I think it was made to look innocent, so that you could push a wagon for an innocent reason."
But you also haven't been pushing, just waiting.Scum hunting,
But with a lack of evidence.
I know. I try to think of at least one town read and one scum read per quote.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Romanus, if you have yet to, read this article. You can't criticize him for "jumping on the wagon" if you think his reasons are valid.Prosaurus wrote:Romanus wrote:As IC: I did not just use the abbreviation RVS. I used the words Random Vote Stage, which I think is pretty self explanatory. Are you really accusing me of thinking people are smart and stupid at the same time? Also, I wanted to post early to demonstrate how things kinda work. I don't know how things work on other boards. I also know that the opening of the game is the stage that is the hardest to get through.
As Player: I absolutely think that my reason for voting you could be seen as an innocent reason for pushing a wagon. And yes, there is a reason to wait and not push. Right now is not a very good time to dig your heels in.
The most scummy person I see now is Misder. His posts lack genuine scumhunting.
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Vote: MisderGrabbing an instrument and jumping on the wagon.
With evidence though.
Indeed he has.crazypianist1116 wrote:
If it hasn't been pointed out already:Prosaurus wrote:
An IC asking how to be an IC?Romanus wrote:
As IC: I have no problem admitting that I did it poorly. I'd also love suggestions as to how to do the "ease in" in a better fashion.Prosaurus wrote: To be honest, I think crazy explained it much better than you did.
If you're the one to "ease them into the game" they'll trust you to be town...
Unless you help them scumhunt, while doing it yourself
Don't trust authority because they are authority.
Your point is valid Prosaurus except Romanus has been scumhunting.
Learning. I don't like bandwagons though.crazypianist1116 wrote:
>_> Bandwagons can be useful. The reactions that someone gives from being under pressure can often reveal them to be scum or town. Also, jumping on a bandwagon for shitty reasons (e.g. cjdrum) is very scummy.Prosaurus wrote:Romanus wrote:Pressure is a wonderful thing. The fact that we can up the pressure this fast, I believe, is a good thing. I believe to truly move from RVS to real substantive votes, a real wagon has to be formed, with real consequences.Only scum want bandwagons.
Pointing it out.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Is this not obvious?Prosaurus wrote:Romanus wrote:Let's look at it this way: What real danger is there from a speed lynch? Afraid the scum will come out and get a townie without the town being able to stop it? Um, it's not like we won't know who did it, and they will have a lot to answer for if the speedlynch flips townie. A speed lynch on page 4. I would love it. I would think the scum would have just outed themselves.
Townies best and only weapon is their vote. I treat my vote as a weapon. I hate leaving my vote in an innocuous place. Takes away it's teeth and becomes less of a weapon or no weapon at all.
And I support the Misder wagon up until the point I no longer believe he is likely scum.Only scum want speedlynches.
It seems I still have alot to learn. However, my vote stays. I still think Romanus is suspicious.crazypianist1116 wrote:
Conclusion:Romanus wrote:Let's look at it this way: What real danger is there from a speed lynch? Afraid the scum will come out and get a townie without the town being able to stop it? Um, it's not like we won't know who did it, and they will have a lot to answer for if the speedlynch flips townie. A speed lynch on page 4. I would love it. I would think the scum would have just outed themselves.Very scummy.
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Can everyone post who they think is most suspicious and why?
For me, I'd still say Romanus is most suspicious, for the whole speed lynch thing, then changing his mind. But he seems to be acting more like an IC now, so that's good, I will be rethinking my vote.[Win/Loss-Team]
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@Misder Yes I am playing differently. I'm trying to avoid what I did last time that got me lynched.
@Wing That was just dumb.
I still dunno about cjdrum. Seems more newb than anything, we'll have to let him defend himself.
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@L I really hate having an IC. They're meant to help newbies learn to play and answer questions, but if they play themselves it isn't too fair. But if they don't play, they'll be lynched and we wouldn't have anyone to answer our questions. And there's also a problem if they're scum.[Win/Loss-Team]
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As you can see here, I am prepared to hammer him. Do you think it would be a good idea yet?Prosaurus wrote:cjdrum, I am very much prepared to hammer you. But first, can you post a few things.
1) Why you think you shouldn't be hammered.
2) Your role. I know you said you didn't have a PR, I just want confirmation.
3) Your experience. Links to games.
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TBH, this sounds very WIFOM-y to me.cjdrum wrote:I've been vote flipping, bandwagonning and just not thinking in general. I haven't been pushing a quick lynch on purpose, but that's what's come across.
I was following the IC because they're meant to be kind of helpful with what is good Town behavior - even if they're scum, they've probably played as scum enough to know what good Town behavior is. So with Romanus flipping and stuff, I mindlessly followed...
So why I was scummy - mindlessly following vote flipping and bandwagonning on that.
Why I did it - Didn't think. Romanus was talking about putting pressure on Misder, so I was helping with pressure. He changed (for "pressure" again), and I thought I was helping with pressure again.
And, can you explain that last comment? Are you saying that I can't trust probability, or that two ICs in a row is unlikely?
I wanted to know your experience so I could tell if you really are newb or not. While I would vote for Romanus, having an IC can be useful even if they are scum. We'll see how it turns out on Day 2.
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Ugh. So cjdrum is town?
I really do hate getting newb tells and scum tells mixed up. cjdrum, since you're actually confirmed town, it means you can say anything you want and we'll believe it. Just keep in mind, what you say now can affect the whole game.
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Hmmmm. Misder, you seem a bit too trusting of most people, almost as if you know we're town. I'm beginning to see what L saw, but I must admit you are in fact scumhunting and doing your best. You shouldn't think of anyone as town till they're dead. You should really be thinking how scummy they are, and voting for the scummiest.[Win/Loss-Team]
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VOTE: Romanus
Going by my reasons from Day 1.
Honestly, I understood cjdrum was in fact a newb, but after one game even I learnt how to not be mislynched.
I'm guessing the scum aren't too bright killing the most inactive player. They should have killed the IC. Unless (*GASP*) the IC is scum.[Win/Loss-Team]
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@ crazy They should kill the IC because the IC is the one who helps newbs most, and this is a Newbie Game.
@Muffin IC answers questions, scum or not.
cjdrum claimed town after twilight. No point lying then is there? They might have had their own analysis on someone.
I don't know how smart Romanus is. All I know is scum (Who I say is Romanus and someone else) chose McGriddle as their NK. I have no reason why they would.[Win/Loss-Team]
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The random fluff questions they posted.[L] wrote:Vote: Prosaurus
I am certain he is scum. Not only has he shown definite knowledge on people's alignment, but he has even used WIFOM and tried to postulate why the mafia killed McGriddle. Everyone knows it is a scum tell to try and guess why the mafia did something, and I see those postulations as trying to confuse the town and make them think harder. He's even played the newb card too many times. I'm certain he's one of them.
PBPA:
Post 11: Seems he's eager to start the game, to me. Unbiased: He's asking when the game starts.
Post 13: Null.
Post 35-37: Tells Romanus not to OMGUS because it got Prosaurus killed in his last game. Asks time zone question. Talks about avatar. Null...
Post 46-47:
I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what questions cjdrum asked of him, and what these replies mean. Clarification Prosaurus?Prosaurus wrote:@cjdrum
1. No. No I can't.
2. :C
@Misder No it wasn't.
Dang fool twisting my words. Did not tell the IC how to word things. L-2 is never really good so early. Did not say it's against any rules. Yes scumhunt. Yes vote. No speedlynch.[L] wrote: Post 62-65: Makes it a point to point out that "so far I've only been town." Sure, it could be true, but it says nothing for this game. Moves on to analyze me.
Post 67: Agrees with Misder on his analysis. Throws in some feel-good by saying he's getting a town read on Misder.Prosaurus wrote:Analysing: [L]
Casual RVS stuff. But I thought you thought that they were called 'WingDamaged'?[L] wrote:Vote: WingDamage, cos his wings had to have gotten damaged from violent activity.
Null.
Don't see what you mean here.[L] wrote:I don't like bad people. Why do you like the evil one?
Null.
You seem to like town... Always a good thing. If you're such a horrible liar though, I'll be watching for any lies, I'm sure the others will be too.[L] wrote:@WingDamage: hehe, I see that now that I'm on a larger screen. I misread your name as "WingDamaged" on my iPod. So whose wings will you be damaging tonight? >__>
@Crazy:
1. I've been playing real life mafia for about 10 years with a solid group of friends, with intermittent change-ups. I've played a couple games here on mafiascum, but I was seriously intimidated.
2. I enjoy playing mafia because I love reading people and using my intuition. The latter oftentimes is not accepted among the males... but I am usually pretty accurate. Playing online affords me the chance to read over discussions many times, to get a better feel for people. I'm a horrible liar. I always get caught as mafia. As such, I much prefer to play as an innocent....usually not even as a power role.~tldr: I like reading people.
Granted, I was a little put off by this comment but I won't let it color my views. But it seems worded... funny.No comment
Null.[L] wrote:@cjdrum: hehehe, Usually on day 1 or day 2... I have a bad record. Once I made it to the end as Mafia by not saying anything and looking distracted the entire game... Everyone didn't expect that xD
I'd say my best strength is being a prosecutor.
Speaking of which, why are some of your questions to these players pointed, while others are fluffy (for lack of a better word)?
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*@Misder: On two occasions, you have stated your surety of my innocence. I don't trust you; just being upfront. It seems as though you are trying to be my buddy, hoping that I will extend the courtesy of dropping suspicion of you. :/
Why exactly have you pegged me as an innocent?
@Prosaurus: I am in the Eastern time zone (GMT -5). My activity will be sporadic and not limited to certain times of the day. But I will at least post everyday. Could you expound the game mechanics that make Mafia "fun" for you?
@cjdrum: Regarding "fresh new reason"...
Unvote: WingDamage
This vote was random.
Vote: Misder
Because I am following a hunch; I do not like how he can decide so early in the game that I am innocent.
@McGriddle: Could you share more about how this "winning" occurs?
@MuffinMan: After reading your friend's games, what is one thing you learned? What appeals to you to make this game interesting?
@Romanus: What game mechanics in Mafia appeal to your personality? What are the "itty bitty things" that spurred your vote? Please expand.
@WingDamage: Expound on what is "fun" about mafia by sharing your favorite game mechanic.
@All: Banzaii!! Feed meh*So why have you pinned them as scummy? Redirecting attention, or being honest?
As for your hunch, I see your reasoning (Mafia know who's town and who isn't), but it's still too early to pin these labels on anyone.
This question is asked as if pinning people as scummy is not what I am supposed to do. Redirecting attention? Is that what YOU'RE doing?
True. But this may be scummy. Mafia don't wish people to be cleared, as it makes those people harder to lynch, meaning a night kill must be used on them, but then people will know that person's reads were honest.[L] wrote:"clearing" anyone this early in the game is not possible.
I already spoke on this, but I will again for the sake of the PBPA. It is impossible for people to be cleared just coming out of the RVS stage. Later in the game, if someone couldn't be cleared, sure - the Mafia wouldn't like that. But that wasn't relevant. The argument involving Mafia is a straw man fallacy that was not relating to what I was actually talking about, and therefore disproved my statement by way of defeating the straw man. This is scummy in my opinion. Scummy.
As people in my last game said, Mafia tend to be the ones who can't get reads (Real or false).[L] wrote:@Misder: After reading your post, and evaluating MuffinMan's post - I can't get a read on him at all. Like, nada. What are you reading differently from me? What makes you think he is innocent?
This is very true. But he's building on his straw man. This statement is not applicable to all stages of the game.
I'll be moving on to analysing cjdrum soon enough.
Post 73-74: Gives opinion on how the IC should word things. Sure, I was put off by the IC's actions too, but re-reading this puts it in a different light. Are there hidden rules I don't know of? Having someone at L-2 on page 3 is not supposed to happen? Aren't we supposed to scumhunt, and vote, accordingly? Why so cautious about doing thigns a certain way? Would page 4 have been better? Not following that logic. Scummy.
Was saying it was possible. Not certain.[L] wrote: Post 78: Analysis on Misder. Where is the promised analysis on cjdrum? A lot of WIFOM in the post, and framing me to be scum along with Misder.
You know what FoS is right? It's like a quarter vote, when I'm not sure I use it.[L] wrote: Post 79: FoS on me and Misder, following previous post. Explains his hesitancy to vote. Town would vote, since that is their only tool. He's not using his tool. Scummy.
I are suspicious, and of course I'm going to be careful after my last game.[L] wrote: Post 81: Promises to analyze Romanus next. Points out his suspicion of Romanus.
Post 84: Romanus analysis. Finds Romanus scummy. The things he finds scummy about Romanus are the fact that Romanus votes and presents evidence that even he finds valid. Here I see him being super cautious yet again! Only scum want bandwagons? Only scum want speed lynches? It's as if he read a book on mafia and is attaching those rules out of context. Scummy because he points out evidence and then contradicts himself with "Although I agree with him" sentiments.
Herp Derp genius. Mafia don't speedlynch each other.[L] wrote: Post 85:
Erm. Why wouldn't it be 6 town 1 mafia by day two?? Do you know something we don't?Prosaurus wrote:Romanus wrote:What can be more obvious than a page 4 or 5 or even 6 speed lynch? I don't care about shrouding in logic, the action of a speedlynch could not be covered by any amount of disinfectant.
I think L-2 is exactly where he should be right now. L-1 I'd be fine with, then we would get some seriously nervous posts.
I'm really not sure why people are so afraid of actually putting some real pressure on someone.Speed lynches are BAD for town. With 7 town 2 mafia alive, a speed lynch will probably cause it to be 5 town 2 mafia.Like Romanus didn't predict cjdrum's lynch.
[L] wrote: Post 97/99: Mocks/teases Romanus for changing his tune. I suspect Romanus for this change as well. Town read.
Post 106:
This really tastes bad when you eat it. "You better start acting like town?" All this says to me is that Pro is acting as well.Prosaurus wrote:The evidence grows. Romanus, you better start acting like town.
Although cjdrum does seem to be bandwagoning a lot. Maybe they're scum? Or possibly just a newbie not know who to vote for.
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Where is the analysis on cjdrum? Unvotes to avoid hammer on Romanus, asks Romanus to claim. Romanus' subsequent replies are scummish. Townie read on Pro?Prosaurus wrote:Although cjdrum does seem to be bandwagoning a lot. Maybe they're scum? Or possibly just a newbie not know who to vote for.
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It's as if he is taunting Romanus.Prosaurus wrote:I don't care. He acts like scum, he gets lynched like scum.
Post 113-115: In response to Crazy's analysis on Pro, he plays his newb card "I'm learning". He also denies saying that Romanus was not scumhunting, which was a lie. He accused him of it and voted him for it. Plays newb card again.[/quote]
Was not a lie. I said he was scumhunting if anything.
I'm sorry. Wut?[L] wrote: Post 116:
Deflection? Don't like being looked at? Scummy.Prosaurus wrote:McGriddle should really post.
Lol nice memory bro. Go over your analysis again.[L] wrote: Post 120:
Asks for everyone else's opinion on who is scummy. Says he thinks Romanus is still the most suspicious, but praises him for being like an IC and says he's rethinking his vote on Romanus... when he's already unvoted. Wishy washy scummy.Prosaurus wrote:Can everyone post who they think is most suspicious and why?
For me, I'd still say Romanus is most suspicious, for the whole speed lynch thing, then changing his mind. But he seems to be acting more like an IC now, so that's good, I will be rethinking my vote.
Yet.[L] wrote: Post 125: Explains his vote removal to crazy, saying he didn't want Romanus hammered.
Cjdrum then pretty much begs for his life, and says how he doesn't want to be killed. Prosaurus gets really scummy here in response.
Well I don't.[L] wrote: Post 129-132:Prosaurus wrote:Here's what I learnt: If you try to survive, you won't.
You'll be accused of being scum.
He says this as if he already KNOWS cjdrum is innocent. I don't want it to happen to any other townie?!Prosaurus wrote:There will be other games for you to learn. Read my last game, see what happened to me.I don't want it to happen to any other townie.
How?[L] wrote:
Post 145: Explanation of his different playstyle than when he was town in a previous game.
Again, likens cjdrum's position to his own past game when he was innocent. SCUMMY!Prosaurus wrote:@Misder Yes I am playing differently. I'm trying to avoid what I did last time that got me lynched.
@Wing That was just dumb.
I still dunno about cjdrum. Seems more newb than anything, we'll have to let him defend himself.
@cjdrum Read my last game. It's happening to you now.
Fluff how? I had reasons. 1)Letting him defend himself 2)Confirming. READ. 3)Wanted to know how newb they were.[L] wrote:
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What other roles for town are there, except for town and power role? The other two questions seem like RQS questions - aka fluff.Prosaurus wrote:cjdrum, I am very much prepared to hammer you. But first, can you post a few things.
1) Why you think you shouldn't be hammered.
2) Your role. I know you said you didn't have a PR, I just want confirmation.
3) Your experience. Links to games.
Lynched if scummy, NKed if town. I say ICs are much too experienced, and new people don't want the IC lynched much, so if IC is scum they have a better chance at winning.[L] wrote:
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WIFOM for days. So if the IC plays the game, they'll be lynched, regardless of whether they are scummy or townish? And if they are scummy they will kill all of us easily? Is that why you hate having IC's play?Prosaurus wrote:@L I really hate having an IC. They're meant to help newbies learn to play and answer questions, but if they play themselves it isn't too fair. But if they don't play, they'll be lynched and we wouldn't have anyone to answer our questions. And there's also a problem if they're scum.?? Is it because you will get caught?And why, exactly, is it unfair for IC's to play in newbie games
Console meaning...?[L] wrote:
[urlhttp://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 3#p2909933]Post 156-160[/url]: dictionary stuff.
[urlhttp://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 1#p2909971]Post 161[/url]: Asks me what my thoughts are on cjdrum. Up until this point, he has not shown too much interest in cjdrum except to "console" him. I respond by quoting myself and ask why people [Prosaurus] don't read thoroughly.
Well they got scummier and scummier, thought if they and Romanus were scum, they'd be better to lynch first.[L] wrote: Post 164-165:
So he moves from uninterested to "about to hammer". Strange leap. Scummy!Prosaurus wrote:
As you can see here, I am prepared to hammer him. Do you think it would be a good idea yet?Prosaurus wrote:cjdrum, I am very much prepared to hammer you. But first, can you post a few things.
1) Why you think you shouldn't be hammered.
2) Your role. I know you said you didn't have a PR, I just want confirmation.
3) Your experience. Links to games.
And no, you aren't. I just missed that post.
Who would lie during twilight? Even if I did think they could be lying. D:[L] wrote:
Answers my question, says he "missed that post", oops, "forgot it".Prosaurus wrote:Well, forgot it.
Post 172: Hammers cjdrum, and then consoles him again. Evil.
Post 194-195:Prosaurus wrote:
TBH, this sounds very WIFOM-y to me.cjdrum wrote:I've been vote flipping, bandwagonning and just not thinking in general. I haven't been pushing a quick lynch on purpose, but that's what's come across.
I was following the IC because they're meant to be kind of helpful with what is good Town behavior - even if they're scum, they've probably played as scum enough to know what good Town behavior is. So with Romanus flipping and stuff, I mindlessly followed...
So why I was scummy - mindlessly following vote flipping and bandwagonning on that.
Why I did it - Didn't think. Romanus was talking about putting pressure on Misder, so I was helping with pressure. He changed (for "pressure" again), and I thought I was helping with pressure again.
And, can you explain that last comment? Are you saying that I can't trust probability, or that two ICs in a row is unlikely?
I wanted to know your experience so I could tell if you really are newb or not. While I would vote for Romanus, having an IC can be useful even if they are scum. We'll see how it turns out on Day 2.
VOTE: cjdrum
Sorry, just remember. If you are town, you can still win even if you die. And there will be other games.
It hasn't been confirmed yet??Prosaurus wrote:Ugh. So cjdrum is town?
I really do hate getting newb tells and scum tells mixed up. cjdrum, since you're actually confirmed town, it means you can say anything you want and we'll believe it. Just keep in mind, what you say now can affect the whole game.
Also @Misder, Just put in a link to the post you're quoting, or at least sayPost 45324432. That isn't a real post by the way.
Why would scum wonder why scum killed who they did?[L] wrote:
Post 205:Prosaurus wrote:It's a heck of alot of pressure doing a hammer vote. After I saw the post that looked so WIFOMy I figured a hammer would have a 50% chance to be right. And cjdrum saying we should hammer him really put me off.
What you're seeing and what I saw are two completely different things, at two different stages of the game. My observation was dependent on it being early in the game. Your seeing of the similar matter is happening after the first lynch. Two completely different things. I view this statement as him leading his suspicions in Misder's way, when he never even thought of Misder Day 1.Prosaurus wrote:Hmmmm. Misder, you seem a bit too trusting of most people, almost as if you know we're town. I'm beginning to see what L saw, but I must admit you are in fact scumhunting and doing your best. You shouldn't think of anyone as town till they're dead. You should really be thinking how scummy they are, and voting for the scummiest.
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WIFOM statement about who the mafia should kill. Claims are /= to a mod's declaration.Prosaurus wrote:@ crazyThey should kill the IC because the IC is the one who helps newbs most, and this is a Newbie Game.
@Muffin IC answers questions, scum or not.
cjdrum claimed town after twilight. No point lying then is there? They might have had their own analysis on someone.
I don't know how smart Romanus is. All I know is scum (Who I say is Romanus and someone else) chose McGriddle as their NK. I have no reason why they would.
Dang fool. Seem to be pushing towards me a bit much.[L] wrote:
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Then followed by his mood change, and now a lack of posts I believe. Main points in bold.Prosaurus wrote:Analysis on: Romanus
Town reads in green
Scum reads in red
Neutral in black
I got six real posts to go off.
Too early to make serious votes. He was voting for the person he had most evidence for, no matter how little that was, as this was RVS.Romanus wrote:@zMuff - I told you it wasn't serious because this is a newbie game, and most especially early on, I feel it is my job as IC to make sure I'm being very clear about what is going on. But jumping on someone for itty bitty things early on smells of scum to me, so this one is serious:
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Vote: zMuffinMan
1) I've been playing off and on for 5 years or so. Started with meat world playing and then found this site. I haven't been around here in a while, but I plan on being a fixture for a while now.
2) Oddly enough, one of the reasons I play is because I teach writing in college and MS contains some of the best essays on the internet. But also, I just love games, from tabletop minis to board, card, Wow. Yeah, I'll play just about any game.
Romanus wrote:To answer the questions that have been directed at me:
I believe it is my role to ease players into playing this game that I believe is valuable and fun. I love writing, and it is a great way to exercise my brain and stretch my writing skills. I made a point to post early. I do not want to assume the level of knowledge of any player. And also, considering the mountain of wiki pages dedicated to strategies and scumtells, I wouldn't be surprised if someone has posited that confirmation order could be a scumtell. I hope to accomplish this by explaining different things that are going on if, and when they need to be explained. And also, to be a good player. I will play to win. I will also keep things in a friendly tone. I want to encourage people to play.
The itty bitty thing that I saw zMuff jump on, was the very thing I described above. He voted me for trying to fulfill my role as IC. I'm not sure why, even if done poorly, this is a good reason to vote someone. Now, zMuff may retort, "But my vote was just as unserious as your vote!" To which I would reply, "But I think it was made to look innocent, so that you could push a wagon for an innocent reason."
But you also haven't been pushing, just waiting.Scum hunting,
But with a lack of evidence.
Romanus wrote:As IC: I did not just use the abbreviation RVS. I used the words Random Vote Stage, which I think is pretty self explanatory. Are you really accusing me of thinking people are smart and stupid at the same time? Also, I wanted to post early to demonstrate how things kinda work. I don't know how things work on other boards. I also know that the opening of the game is the stage that is the hardest to get through.
As Player: I absolutely think that my reason for voting you could be seen as an innocent reason for pushing a wagon. And yes, there is a reason to wait and not push. Right now is not a very good time to dig your heels in.
The most scummy person I see now is Misder. His posts lack genuine scumhunting.
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Vote: MisderGrabbing an instrument and jumping on the wagon.
With evidence though.
An IC asking how to be an IC?Romanus wrote:
As IC: I have no problem admitting that I did it poorly. I'd also love suggestions as to how to do the "ease in" in a better fashion.Prosaurus wrote: To be honest, I think crazy explained it much better than you did.
If you're the one to "ease them into the game" they'll trust you to be town...
Unless you help them scumhunt, while doing it yourself
Romanus wrote:Pressure is a wonderful thing. The fact that we can up the pressure this fast, I believe, is a good thing. I believe to truly move from RVS to real substantive votes, a real wagon has to be formed, with real consequences.Only scum want bandwagons.
Romanus wrote:Let's look at it this way: What real danger is there from a speed lynch? Afraid the scum will come out and get a townie without the town being able to stop it? Um, it's not like we won't know who did it, and they will have a lot to answer for if the speedlynch flips townie. A speed lynch on page 4. I would love it. I would think the scum would have just outed themselves.
Townies best and only weapon is their vote. I treat my vote as a weapon. I hate leaving my vote in an innocuous place. Takes away it's teeth and becomes less of a weapon or no weapon at all.
And I support the Misder wagon up until the point I no longer believe he is likely scum.Only scum want speedlynches.
Conclusion:Very scummy.
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