Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:10 pm

Please stop with the novels

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:58 pm

ok if i get roped promise me you won't play with your head in your ass tomorrow guys.

my goal isn't to towntell, i don't give two shits about towntelling.

my goal is to find scum.

i did not sign up for this game to appease you mofos i signed up to lynch mafia.

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:02 pm

cool story, bro

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:05 pm

lynch #1:

fuck

lynch #2:

you

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:09 pm

like i said, you're welcome to lynch me, i've said this since about d2 since i had my reads and since this game is cancerous.

i've explained my reads and the purpose behind them several times and

I HATE FUCKING REPEATING MYSELF WHEN I HAVE MADE MY STANDPOINT VERY CLEAR

so i won't

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:13 pm

like i genuinely want out of the game. the fact that you've blown two mislynches i said were mislynches and had the nerve to cross me and my hardest townread today is extremely infuritating. and you're negating my hard scumread based on meta and other horseshit. absolutely flustered right now.

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:15 pm

both flipped people who said i was town are probably flipping their shit in the PT since you're all being so fucking demented right now.

pedit: no i'm done being logical i'm town that doesn't care anymore.

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:18 pm

so with that said, i openly welcome a rope around my neck and i honestly hope you can manage to screw up five mislynches after you somehow lynched one of the mafia d1.

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:40 pm

who knows man

but if you need a lynch by deadline

i'll take the fall

i don't even know how long deadline is for now.

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:46 pm

oh there's plenty of time

i have the next two days off if i'm up to it (making giant cases is a lot of work and i do other things besides playing this site) i will probably individually iso each player like you all have done.

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:55 pm

In post 1913, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:There isn't really much of a meta to go by. I refuse to use ongoing games for meta by principle, I should add.

against the rules anyways

Transcend · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:02 pm

it's against the rules to curse in this game which i realize i unknowingly did and i apologize

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:41 am

Your reads parallel heavily with mine Tenshii just in a different order

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your fos on Thor feels more OMGUS-y than anything. And as a newer player, I'd expect that from you. I tend to notice lots of newer town players fosing people that directly attack them since they know they're town and they know they're under attack. They think that scum is taking a bite at them instead of town being incorrect about them.

I don't necessarily agree with the case from Thor myself, but I don't exactly see the attack as a scum-motivated attack? Like it could be, but right now I just lean on him being wrong. Hence why I've said the interactions between you two are TVT.

Which leaves Rosske. I don't think his actions over the course of this game were genuine. I think he vote-hopped a few wagons opportunistically (Thor d1, KTS d1, Io d1, KTS d2, Transcend d2/3/4 etc.) I don't feel the votes he made were for genuine reasons, rather tactical ones.

I'll go over each of his votes that come to my mind in memory.

Thor d1: I think KTS was voting Thor at first correct me if wrong. Rosske's reason for voting Thor was pretty good (hence why I followed suit with the light bw that happened on him). However his actions a few posts later indicate that this was just an opportunistic scum-hop from him rather than actually scumreading Thor and it was him cherry-picking two posts and rolling with the punches. All he did to explain the vote on Thor alongside the 2 posts he quoted was say "gut". He did not pursue that wagon really hard at all.

KTS d1: I think Kcda (mhsmith) voted KTS. Rosske votes KTS as well. The reason escapes me why either of them voted KTS but memory serves that it was a bad vote. He never explained his vote on KTS to my memory, and the person who he voted with when he voted Thor was KTS. So Rosske never explains that his read on Thor changed at all, so he voted the person who he voted with without stating that his mind on Thor changed. Now this is the part I think is damning, but I'm going to safely dismiss this part as null for right now since it can go either way is him telling Karnos "Why aren't you voting Thor?".

Scenario A. He's scum questioning his partner's motives
Scenario B. He's scum telling karnos to vote Thor without actually voting Thor himself
Scenario C. He's town who questioned karnos' motives

Again all these scenarios are plausible, so it's best to dismiss that tell as null. But I seriously feel that Rosske was lightly pushing on Thor again and forgot he was voting KTS since he votehopped KTS and then gave no reason to why he voted him.

Io d1: IIRC he evades the KTS/Thor votes, doesn't explain why and then votes Io with karnos. One could say that he's town because why would he associate himself with his clearly ailing partner? There's many reasons why that can be wrong.

Reason A. With karnos lynched, Rosske would have to survive legitimately 5 lynches by himself. Having the support of his partner would help.
Reason B. WIFOM factor. "Oh if I hard buddy my partner they won't suspect me due to associative tells hehehehehe"

Over all throughout the course of d1, Rosske votehopped 3 times (to my memory) and his votes were all fairly neutral votes where he didn't explain his stance that well.

Now we're on d2. He doesn't participate in karnos twilight at all. Which was a period of at least 3 days. I understand that you cannot always be on mafiascum 24/7 but that was a long ass twilight period due to slow host. He posted

zero

times. I didn't pay attention to see if he was on the site during twilight or not (I think that's cheating correct me if wrong). However he claims he wasn't here for twilight. But like I said, Twilight for karnos was a solid 3 days or more and 3 days of inactivity leads to a prod. Prods aren't something that people like very much and people come on and post a brief prod dodgeto avoid prod. Regardless this aspect shouldn't be analyzed too much, but the fact he was not present for twilight is supporting my case even more. And him not also participating in twilight and his next vote are also reasons to support him as scum.

KTS D2: Instantly votes KTS. "You obviously bussed your partner". He says nothing else. He just sheeps what mhsmith/Luna Fox said in twilight for karnos. If you go back to d1 it shows that Rosske voted KTS, but he never explained that reason at all. Throughout either of his votes. So he votehops KTS twice and gives minimal to no reasoning both times. His vote on KTS doesn't last long. This is possibly the case due to him wanting the rest of the town to tear KTS apart while he WK's him and pushes on someone else. This person being yours truly!

Trans D2: KTS votes me, few posts later Rosske votes me too! This time he's been hellbent on my lynch. I think it's justifiable for players to fos me, due to my shitty reads and consistent mood swings. However, the reason this guy foses me is not genuine and sorta hypocritical. He has said that I'm scum for berating several people (which is me all the time as can be seen in several games of mine).He's also said that I'm scum because I've pushed several mislynches. The lynches I pushed for were Luna Fox (yeah this one was probably wrong) where he never said why my push on Luna was scum motivated, and him. I voted mhsmith Thor and Giga in brief periods but I've only tunneled Luna and Rosske. He said that I've coasted by getting several people mislynched. Which is blatantly untrue. I did not get KTS lynched, I didn't get PC lynched. I was advocates for two people. Luna Fox and Rosske only. But he explains that I'm scum for getting KTS and PC lynched. And say, that even if I did get KTS lynched here, why would he fos me for it since he voted KTS twice? This is inconsistent behavior from him.

With all this above and the 5 votes I recall from him being thoroughly explained, this is why I have concluded that Rosske is scum here. I understand you have meta townreads on Rosske, but Ross is a newer player and isn't going to play the same way as both alignments. Take a look at karnos for example. There were some parties (myself, Tenshii) who thought he was newb town. I had meta on him, Tenshii didn't. We were both wrong. We had incorrect meta, even though his game this game replicated the newbie game I played with him. Newer players are gonna get better and begin to play similarly as both alignments much like most of the good players here.

I know I have berated most of you all day, which was probably not the correct way to approach this. But I have for one final time, gone deeply in depth into all of his votes this game (which is most of his content anyways). And I've explained why it makes him the last scum, and why you should ignore meta this time.

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:44 am

Keep in mind that in 4/5 of the votes I mentioned he was

NOT

the first person to vote on them.

For the KTS vote d2, he was first, but the KTS bw was inevitable and he got a front row seat to that by dodging twilight and voting first.

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:49 am

I'm going to be extremely tilted if i typed all that and Rosske survives rope fwiw.

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:00 pm

so has anyone read my 1925 in its entirety

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:22 pm

lemme spill it out for you

0% you flip scum
0% Tenshii flips scum (I've been known to be very good at reading new players)
a solid 2% Giga flips scum

Leaning about 80% on Rosske
15% mhsmith
8% Thor

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:25 pm

one can never be too confident

but i feel good about rosske rope

Transcend · Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:46 pm

possibly to keep thor vs. tenshii. i haven't analyzed the kill that much and i'm not going to either.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:18 am

Scum won't always make the correct kill or the logical kill

Hence why all this night kill analysis should be put to rest and we analyze in-game tells / actions.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:20 am

In post 1954, Thor665 wrote:I read it at length - I could have posted a wall discussing it and why I disagree but saw no real value in that action as you have shown zero interest in debate on your thoughts and had to be abused into even stating said thoughts.
Would you like to debate your case?

sure but i'm ignoring your debate if you use the word meta in it.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:32 am

k w/e maybe i don't need your vote then lol

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:34 am

like if i spill my heart out and you still won't budge then at this point i'm just gonna let you lynch me or tenshii and not really give two s***s.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:41 am

Well I personally feel it's good so you can f*** off.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:55 am

Not a care in the world

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:17 pm

I'll be honest wing, in terms of giga, i think he's had a few scummy lines (hence my vote on him a few times) but i think his town motivated posts/actions significantly outweigh his scummy ones.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:21 pm

Analysis of his rqs was very genuine and you gotta remember, he started the karnos lynch. I fail to see scum voting their partner due to a bad rqs response 2 pages into the game and then banking on winning the game solo throughout about 5 lynches.

Just some food for thought.

Still think Rosske is the move.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:42 pm

I just can't see myself voting anyone besides Rosske.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:43 pm

Like at best you'll see me compromise lynch just so the ml doesn't go to waste.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:54 pm

That was confusing to read

Giga your vote puts ross at L-1

Given that our time to lynch is bubbling down, I'd really like for you to take the initiative and run him up in votes a bit more.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:58 pm

Tb5h54hrjrj

Who are you thinking of lynching then. I thought you were pro Ross in terms of a lynch.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:04 pm

Okay so what would your 3 shots to hit one duck in order be?

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:07 pm

So you'd compromise on Rosske rope if it came time for a lynch to be decided?

I'd regrettably vote tenshii but only if tenshii needed to be hammered to fulfill the fact we used a mislynch and didn't hand it over to scum.

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:52 pm

he actually bussed one of his partners (sircakez) on lylo actually

not sure why you're asking this when all the slots karnos voted are dead (did the guy only ever vote io?)

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:54 pm

yeah i just looked at his iso

he only voted me in rvs and io

Transcend · Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:05 pm

idon't actually remember his play but i think he was focused on just getting a ml on io in.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:20 am

Prodging and trolling the rest of this day until you dipsticks make up your mind. It's a mafia game. It's not like your life is at stake. It's just a stupid bloody mafia game. Kill Rosske already.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:19 am

Would be an advocate of smith rope. Just not my numero uno choice.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:27 am

Wing your case on smith is basically paralleled with mine. It's just my case on Rosske is about 10x heavier.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:27 am

From my pov.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:39 am

Smith, I've just realized you've been fairly neutral for today. Like you voted me for a bit and that was just for a bit. You haven't really finalized your reads from what i see. We are approaching deadline so i wanna know from you if you had to take 3 shots at one duck in this game, what would they be?

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:40 am

Also giga: does the fact that two ducks (me and wing) that you wouldn't shoot at all game town read tenshii change your mind?

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:43 am

I mean fair enough. Why is our judgment wrong though. Do you not think his tone/posts are genuine? I'm trying to understand where your read on him is coming from.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:46 am

In post 2005, Wingback wrote:
In post 2000, Transcend wrote:Wing your case on smith is basically paralleled with mine. It's just my case on Rosske is about 10x heavier.
I'm
really
not seeing Rosske make that nightkill but mhsmith's predecessor pushing KTS while having Karnos as a secondary read and ignoring that wagon just seals it for me not to mention mhsmith's case/vote against Karnos is exactly what I would expect from a scum-him at that point.

Compromise with me today? Haven't felt this good about a scumread since replacing into the game and I think your gut on mhsmith is pretty accurate. You just got distracted with Rosske and his cross-tunneling of you.

1. 2000th post

2. Like i said im an advocate and I'd compromise, but not if I'm able to get Rosske rope. I just haven't agreed with any of the points made to support R!town

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:48 am

But you might be able to Burger King it and have it your way.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:51 am

I have work today in just a bit, but giga, me and wing will not lynch tenshii and Tenshii won't lynch himself. So only way you CAN get that lynch is with Rosske and mhsmith's votes. Two of your best town reads (me/wing) after several days of analyzing have concluded that one of those two is the duck we need shot. You can deviate from our reads, but I'm feeling very confident about one of those two most likely r.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:52 am

No offense but please lynch the slot lol don't replace. This is probably a tactical replace out.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:55 am

Don't care he's my best scum read, I've made a solid case on him. He's neglected to respond. In my eyes this is a tactical replace out.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:02 am

It's tactical imo. And stop ignoring my questions or I'll advocate the slot getting replaced and lynch you instead.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:03 pm

Can't declare it as tactical until i see his flip.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:21 pm

Give me time to read through all this, I won't do it now, but I will do it later.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:22 pm

Still would like to lynch Rosske(slot) and I still think he replaced out due to getting lynched but we'll see.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:27 pm

@tojam2

what's going to happen with the whole replace thing?

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:31 pm

VOTE: MariaR

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:42 pm

you replaced into a scum slot, goodbye good riddance.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:49 pm

i'm aware that this has been my worst town game so far. there's only room for redemption.

mariar is known for being notoriously awful at reading me, but she's in a scum slot anyways so trusting her judgment is bad regardless.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:54 pm

forummafia that one time on em you tunneled me the whole game and i was like k

i tunneled you too so i'mnot the best at reading you

and i really don't have that much alignment tells from you right now, but your predecessor was hard scum for me

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:56 pm

In post 2059, MariaR wrote:How many votes are on me and if you sr me I understand but at least give me time to fucking read I don't care how bad this line looks it's outright rude to do this

i would unvote if i didn't think your predecessor replaced out because he was getting lynched as lm lmfao.

Transcend · Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:00 pm

UNVOTE:

fine.

but like not sure why you're so panicked with 1 vote on you when there's 2 mls and it takes 4 to lynch.

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:00 am

it's nai for now but i bet my house the slot flips wolf and they subbed out because of getting lynched

i'm not saying that's what happened i'm just saying that's what i think

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:13 am

it's true

surprised i haven't been lynched yet

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:14 am

but like i said i actually trust town to win this game i think thegeneral consensus is mariaslot/mhsmith which i agree with. so like if i'm in the graveyard and one of those two slots doesn't flip scum i'm okay eating the L.

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:13 pm

hey what's up

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:24 pm

In post 2102, tojam2 wrote:and warnings for swearing I've given to Transcend.

>:)

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:25 pm

you literally messed up the voting log again, also hi mariaf!

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:25 pm

In post 2104, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:so who are we lynching today

maria where u at in terms of reads

u

VOTE: gigabytetroubadouba

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:26 pm

LOL

no thank you tojam2

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:30 pm

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:31 pm

WING IS VOTING SMITH NOT TENSHII

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:33 pm

actually i think both are :p

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:42 pm

what the what

i'm not lynching tenshii unless it's tenshii/nl

i like his vote onsmith, don't think it's the correct vote though

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:49 pm

oh that's what i thought you were asking

rosske's votes with bad explanation > tenshii's weird votes with explanation that is bad but likely to come from newbtown

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:51 pm

we just need a flip. hopefully said flip just ends the game.

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:56 pm

i for one would be okay with lynching mariaf

no offense but

when i'm 80% sure the slot is scum and the replacement hasn't done much to change my mind

...

call me an ass but that's just what i think

Transcend · Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:57 pm

however i'm someone that's had to deal with not getting their way all game

(see luna fox d1, luna fox d2, rosske d3, most likely rosske/maria d4).

i'm beyond used to it.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:14 am

This has been another episode of: "Insight from Thor" tune in tomorrow to hear some more helpful insight from Thor!!!

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:21 am

In post 2126, Thor665 wrote:Is there something you think I haven't weighed in on? Ask and I'll answer.
If you're just being a little boy swatting at flies - then kindly go practice spitting in the corner.

spoilers for tomorrow's episode, should've put a spoiler tag, but oh well.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:10 am

Well i still want to vote you don't get me wrong, but my vote might be in vain.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:19 am

O well

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:22 am

I (might) listen. Do you agree that your predecessor was extremely scummy?

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:28 am

Don't know what a loaded question is

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:29 am

Anyways gigabyte: would you like to make a deal with the devil with me being the devil?

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:31 am

Once you say yes, you can't turn back. Or i win your soul.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:34 am

In post 2141, Transcend wrote:Anyways gigabyte: would you like to make a deal with the devil with me being the devil?

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:39 am

I won't lynch Maria for the price of you not lynching tenshii.

We both vote smith aka wing's read.

I think wing has done a good job analyzing the game and has concluded with the same reads i have, just more in depth and more leaning towards smith.

I can live with smith rope, especially since i feel albeit less of a chance of ending the game than a Maria death, there's still a chance.

He's at l-2 rn so your vote and my vote would send him to the gallows.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:42 am

Do you accept? This is a deal you cannot refuse as we'll find common ground and lynch a suspect we think has a chance of flipping wolf.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:44 am

Hush little girl. A negotiation of a life time is in the making.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:46 am

My life is hell since i am the devil and that's where i preside.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:47 am

Why

I thought you were an advocate of him being wolf.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:48 am

In post 1925, Transcend wrote:Your reads parallel heavily with mine Tenshii just in a different order

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your fos on Thor feels more OMGUS-y than anything. And as a newer player, I'd expect that from you. I tend to notice lots of newer town players fosing people that directly attack them since they know they're town and they know they're under attack. They think that scum is taking a bite at them instead of town being incorrect about them.

I don't necessarily agree with the case from Thor myself, but I don't exactly see the attack as a scum-motivated attack? Like it could be, but right now I just lean on him being wrong. Hence why I've said the interactions between you two are TVT.

Which leaves Rosske. I don't think his actions over the course of this game were genuine. I think he vote-hopped a few wagons opportunistically (Thor d1, KTS d1, Io d1, KTS d2, Transcend d2/3/4 etc.) I don't feel the votes he made were for genuine reasons, rather tactical ones.

I'll go over each of his votes that come to my mind in memory.

Thor d1: I think KTS was voting Thor at first correct me if wrong. Rosske's reason for voting Thor was pretty good (hence why I followed suit with the light bw that happened on him). However his actions a few posts later indicate that this was just an opportunistic scum-hop from him rather than actually scumreading Thor and it was him cherry-picking two posts and rolling with the punches. All he did to explain the vote on Thor alongside the 2 posts he quoted was say "gut". He did not pursue that wagon really hard at all.

KTS d1: I think Kcda (mhsmith) voted KTS. Rosske votes KTS as well. The reason escapes me why either of them voted KTS but memory serves that it was a bad vote. He never explained his vote on KTS to my memory, and the person who he voted with when he voted Thor was KTS. So Rosske never explains that his read on Thor changed at all, so he voted the person who he voted with without stating that his mind on Thor changed. Now this is the part I think is damning, but I'm going to safely dismiss this part as null for right now since it can go either way is him telling Karnos "Why aren't you voting Thor?".

Scenario A. He's scum questioning his partner's motives
Scenario B. He's scum telling karnos to vote Thor without actually voting Thor himself
Scenario C. He's town who questioned karnos' motives

Again all these scenarios are plausible, so it's best to dismiss that tell as null. But I seriously feel that Rosske was lightly pushing on Thor again and forgot he was voting KTS since he votehopped KTS and then gave no reason to why he voted him.

Io d1: IIRC he evades the KTS/Thor votes, doesn't explain why and then votes Io with karnos. One could say that he's town because why would he associate himself with his clearly ailing partner? There's many reasons why that can be wrong.

Reason A. With karnos lynched, Rosske would have to survive legitimately 5 lynches by himself. Having the support of his partner would help.
Reason B. WIFOM factor. "Oh if I hard buddy my partner they won't suspect me due to associative tells hehehehehe"

Over all throughout the course of d1, Rosske votehopped 3 times (to my memory) and his votes were all fairly neutral votes where he didn't explain his stance that well.

Now we're on d2. He doesn't participate in karnos twilight at all. Which was a period of at least 3 days. I understand that you cannot always be on mafiascum 24/7 but that was a long ass twilight period due to slow host. He posted
zero
times. I didn't pay attention to see if he was on the site during twilight or not (I think that's cheating correct me if wrong). However he claims he wasn't here for twilight. But like I said, Twilight for karnos was a solid 3 days or more and 3 days of inactivity leads to a prod. Prods aren't something that people like very much and people come on and post a brief prod dodgeto avoid prod. Regardless this aspect shouldn't be analyzed too much, but the fact he was not present for twilight is supporting my case even more. And him not also participating in twilight and his next vote are also reasons to support him as scum.

KTS D2: Instantly votes KTS. "You obviously bussed your partner". He says nothing else. He just sheeps what mhsmith/Luna Fox said in twilight for karnos. If you go back to d1 it shows that Rosske voted KTS, but he never explained that reason at all. Throughout either of his votes. So he votehops KTS twice and gives minimal to no reasoning both times. His vote on KTS doesn't last long. This is possibly the case due to him wanting the rest of the town to tear KTS apart while he WK's him and pushes on someone else. This person being yours truly!

Trans D2: KTS votes me, few posts later Rosske votes me too! This time he's been hellbent on my lynch. I think it's justifiable for players to fos me, due to my shitty reads and consistent mood swings. However, the reason this guy foses me is not genuine and sorta hypocritical. He has said that I'm scum for berating several people (which is me all the time as can be seen in several games of mine).He's also said that I'm scum because I've pushed several mislynches. The lynches I pushed for were Luna Fox (yeah this one was probably wrong) where he never said why my push on Luna was scum motivated, and him. I voted mhsmith Thor and Giga in brief periods but I've only tunneled Luna and Rosske. He said that I've coasted by getting several people mislynched. Which is blatantly untrue. I did not get KTS lynched, I didn't get PC lynched. I was advocates for two people. Luna Fox and Rosske only. But he explains that I'm scum for getting KTS and PC lynched. And say, that even if I did get KTS lynched here, why would he fos me for it since he voted KTS twice? This is inconsistent behavior from him.

With all this above and the 5 votes I recall from him being thoroughly explained, this is why I have concluded that Rosske is scum here. I understand you have meta townreads on Rosske, but Ross is a newer player and isn't going to play the same way as both alignments. Take a look at karnos for example. There were some parties (myself, Tenshii) who thought he was newb town. I had meta on him, Tenshii didn't. We were both wrong. We had incorrect meta, even though his game this game replicated the newbie game I played with him. Newer players are gonna get better and begin to play similarly as both alignments much like most of the good players here.

I know I have berated most of you all day, which was probably not the correct way to approach this. But I have for one final time, gone deeply in depth into all of his votes this game (which is most of his content anyways). And I've explained why it makes him the last scum, and why you should ignore meta this time.

Here's my ross case btw.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:50 am

I was talking about smith.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:52 am

Lydlydlhdlhdlhxhhchcchhc

Well i tried.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:53 am

Just trying to think of a lynch we both can agree on but we both seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum here.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:55 am

I.e. your best scum read is my best town read.

Pedit: o.k.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:58 am

W i f o m

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:01 am

In post 2172, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:tbh i don't really scumread anyone (besides krinkles) this game, i'm really starting to think townhunting is more my style

i just see rosske and tenshii as... less town than everyone else?

Town hunting is bad because scum are highly capable of town telling. >:(

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:10 am

Anyways giga, i agree with you that smith doesn't have the best chance of flipping mafia. But your top scum read is someone I'll lynch never. And mine is someone in your lynch pool but you don't wanna rope until they've caught up. It's fine, i get it. I think she's has plenty of time to reread but whatever. I know you're paranoid right now, but if you're not willing to lynch Maria, then smith is the way to go. I think his flip will be helpful should he flip town, and if he's not town the game just ends then and there.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:17 am

Fair 'nuff

But like everyone besides you and Maria have basically announced their final stances.

Maria has an excuse since she joined the game two days ago.

You don't because you joined two months ago.

Smith is the person i see the best chance of getting lynched.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:18 am

Hey giga do my town reads on kts and phantom and io mean anything when i say tenshii is town?

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:22 am

Fine.

Fine.

Fine.

Just trying to find ways to avoid tenshii rope is all.

Because him being lynched (if he flips town) will be the

third

townread of mine that's been lynched as town in a row that flipped town and he's been my best tr all game so I'll be extremely aggravated.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:07 pm

MAKE YOUR MIND UP ALREADY

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:46 pm

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Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:08 pm

trains

maria is good at towntelling as scum.

Transcend · Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:57 pm

VOTE: wingback

i'm tired of all these replacements

(btw i'm not really gonna actually lynch this slot but i'm getting ffed up lol)

Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:27 am

sucks for that falcon dude. i think he concluded with really good reads.wish i could've played with him more but seems like he's permabanned.

also the website is dead tonight.

Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:47 am

im impatient

Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:53 am

I wish there was an even number of players right now so we could mod kill the slot and not be damaged by it. Unfortunately, a mk would eat a mislynch of ours. I'm just very eager for a flip.

Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:24 pm

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Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:33 pm

VOTE: iraonavp

Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:51 pm

as a joke i've voted every other replace-in for this game

UNVOTE:

your slot is nearly confirmed town. even though f-16 is a notoriously banned user, i'd heavily encourage reading his iso because i think he took this game seriously and concluded with the same reads i have. i'd suggest reading my iso to get the same reads, but it's longer and has lots of clutter.

Transcend · Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:54 pm

oh and if you read f-16 just know that i heavily lean towards rosske/maria being scum over mhsmith like he suggested.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:52 am

thor

i wouldn't have wanted to have the luna/wing/ira slot modkilled in this game because it would put us at one mislynch.

if there were 8 players alive today, the slot being modkilled would put us at 7 which isn't waste of a mislynch. it's just lol u got dunked.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:02 am

In post 2226, Thor665 wrote:Considering we know for a fact it's not lylo, I have no idea why it has been so hard to get votes in play, it's silly.

like i said the majority of the game wants to lynch tenshii which has been my solid townread so like... i'm trying to fight that one. but i have said multiple times that i will vote tenshii if and only if it's tenshii or no lynch.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:20 am

majority of the game?

no

damn near majority of a lynch?

yes

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:23 am

oh true i forgot that modkill ends the day as opposed to they get modkilled and we still get a lynch.

okay i'll just shut up now.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:23 am

VOTE: MariaR

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:24 am

i wasn't planning on keeping any other vote i've made long enough to make it to hammer. this is the slot i want lynched.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:28 am

I'm sorry if I stress you out.

I want a flip just as much as you, just I'm trying to get the flip I want when it doesn't look like I'll get it.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:30 am

This just in: I just got cranked by scum in another game where i tunnel visioned the whole time and I'm not about to have that happen a third time.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:31 am

So uh good news you guys might be seeing a less douche-baggy less tunnel-visiony me.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:49 am

Hate to be that guy but she's had plenty of time to read an 80 pager.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:52 am

Well 90 now

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:59 am

That wasn't hammer i don't think

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:42 am

I think so too.

Tenshii, if you could do the honors.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:05 am

Maria you haven't scum told like your predecessor, but I've gone over your individual iso and none of your posts make me think to myself: "well she's probably town". So yeah. I think if you wanna avoid rope, you gotta convince giga, because I'm not going to budge. Especially if the other option is to acquiesce to my town read.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:11 am

Wait who has hammer then

Me smith and ten are voting Maria

Thor you Maria are voting tenshii

Lol ira has hammer oh what fun.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:12 am

No pressure ira, none whatsoever, my friend.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:16 am

Ummmm yeah. You know how to appeal to me when you're mafia and you know how to make me think you're town when you're a wolf. But you don't always use nasty death AtE as scum either. Sometimes you're just mellow which could be the case here, which i think might be the case here.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:18 am

Like i said, my vote on your slot right now is 90% based on Rosske, and 10% based on you didn't suey me.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:27 am

Don't tell me that my 2 day tunnel on Rosske was wrong.

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Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:29 am

I give up. Hiatus after this game and all my other games are over.

Pedit: if you did, then thank you very much because this game was really sloppy.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:32 am

I'm not scum claire just really awful town. Just like i was in my previous two town games.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:34 am

In post 2299, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:transcend you fulfilled one requirement of being good town, and that's being easy to find

Huh

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:42 am

Will do claire. I'm one of like 2 bodies that thinks he's town. Everyone else wolf reads him. Generally i find myself to be a good town player so i tend to have the mindset that "I'm always right". Sometimes that leads to me ignoring others completely.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:45 am

There's a small glimmer of hope that you wolf hammered yourself and you're just trolling twilight now.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:50 am

I used both of mine and got lynched. Claire and i dragged the town in her first game and my first SE game.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:51 am

(If you can't tell i'm Matt)

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:52 am

In post 2315, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:idk how hard it is to be sure you're queued with a specific person tho (yes i know you are claire)

Sign up at the same time.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:55 pm

Giga you should join EM and kek around in a few games with me and Maria.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:26 pm

meh

chatroom mafia isn't for everyone

i tend to enjoy the fast pace

hence me this game and every other game

anyways, who's your bf i wonder if he's still on the site.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:32 pm

In post 2329, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:nah he said he only plays with people he knows, which makes sense... mafia can get kinda ugly when the wrong personalities mesh

tru

i don't think anyone on EM is super toxic.

lol @ maria.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:42 pm

probably

but still i don't think anyone is not that toxic

however, i just have a high tolerance level.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:44 pm

i meant for people who are toxic for being downright a-holes. i have low tolerance for players with toxic playstyles.

anyways no need to clutter the thread with filler.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:57 pm

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Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:12 pm

any analysis on the person that's actually in the slot now

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:27 pm

assuming sonia flips vt and not wolf

1. Ira (I've decided there's no way this slot is scum. Period. Including the replace out, including Wing's analysis, including the little bit ira has said.)
2. Tenshii (This is my best townread that isn't confirmed town.)
3. Giga
4. Thor
5. Mhsmith

T>S don't see myself lynching the top 3 ever.

Transcend · Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:52 pm

like.... i don't scumread him. but i think if someone flips wolf and it's not smith, it's gonna be thor.

Transcend · Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:21 pm

VOTE: mhsmith0

I've reread the game exactly

3

times back to front skipping a few of the long posts.

I see no slot but this flipping wolf.

Transcend · Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:23 pm

front to back*

Transcend · Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:24 pm

Giga's lock town. He gets a W if he's wolf. That's all.

Thor vs. Tenshii reads heavily town vs. town. If I'm ever forced to lynch in that cross, I'm going with Thor.

MHSmith was sorta manipulative. The way he placed his votes this game have been somewhat awkward. It's gotta be mhsmith.

Feedback?

Transcend · Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:38 pm

Plus him knowing that KTS was gonna flip town when he scumclaimed was kinda scummy but I felt my case on Rosske was better so I sorta ignored that. I'm gonna build on that a bit more today I guess.

And then he discredits my read on Rosske but also had Rosske as a wolf candidate most of D4.

I can't be wrong this time.

Transcend · Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:57 pm

dunno don't care

i'm not using nka this game.

Transcend · Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:27 am

In post 2367, Thor665 wrote:I'm so glad we lynched Rosske and didn't use meta. Meta is bad, after all.

stfu meta is bad and that was a justified lynch. don't discredit it.

Transcend · Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:35 am

"Oh this game parallels Rosske's game here when he's town. Therefore he's town this time too!!!" - you idiots

He flips town. Okay okay okay.

"Oh this game parallels karnos' game here when he's town. Therefore he's town this time too!!!" - me

He flips mafia.

Don't meta.

Transcend · Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:27 pm

thor is a big meanie >:(

i still feel justified.

i have openly welcomed rope around my neck since about D2. i'll still welcome it if you wanna policy lynch me, just don't fuck up LYLO.

imagine you guys being the town that blew 5 lynches and handed scum a game.

@smith

bc tenshii has been my tr all game. thor has not been my tr all game. i'm openly fine losing to Tenshii if he's bum-fucked me all game.

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:33 am

He did a bit of an analysis of one of them, I don't know if he read the whole thing in its entirety since it was a long game thanks to Dunn and Zach filling the thread up with BS d1 lol.

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:30 am

I am going into work right now. I see this thread has blown up. I promised to call my parents for lunch. I will respond to this when i get home.

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:28 pm

Hi fire alarm going off like crazy at work. Might get sent home early. Stay tuned.

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:48 pm

In post 2395, Tenshii wrote:
In post 2375, Transcend wrote:imagine you guys being the town that blew 5 lynches and handed scum a game.
Why do you bring this up? Especially in other posts that you make?

bored

In post 2409, Thor665 wrote:I'm mostly just debating if I was left alive to push through Tenshii, or if I was left alive because Tenshii figures they can't afford to kill me.
The latter option requires bad logic on Tenshii's part - but that doesn't really remove it from my slate.

@Transcend - I'm debating agreeing with you that Tenshii is town.
I may want to lynch you and mhsmith in any random order that amuses me.

Why do you think mhsmith makes sense as a scumbuddy to Karnos moreson than you? He kind of had a reasonably timely push on the slot whilst you never did.

The reason mhsmith makes more sense is because I have my own POV and know I'm town. How am I supposed to answer that question?

Given that I hold the POV of no one being wolf but mhsmith after very careful rereads I think I'm okay with you lynching the two of us in any order.

I think that my flip will be helpful and you trust Tenshii because that is my dying townread so again, I'm openly welcome to rope on me.

I hate WIFOM but which one is more likely to be wolf in your books?

A. Someone who softvoted karnos
B. Someone who hard defended karnos

Most people psychologically would say answer B but karnos was clearly ailing and hard defending him like I did would mean that I'd have to survive 5 lynches with that attached to me. I don't know how I would've played this as wolf but personally, I feel like I would possibly softbus or ignore karnos if he was in deep shit as opposed to hard defending him. That was sincerely just an error on my behalf for using falsified meta hence why I've been reluctant to trust any meta this game, because it f***ed me day 1.

Now this is slight defense on me in hopes of seeing mhsmith lynched. Because I feel his flip ends the game. Obviously I'm comfortable with being lynched because I feel like you will trust my townread on Tenshii and lynch smith.

At this point Thor if you're wolf you've already won the game in my books. Same thing with Giga. I'm okay taking the loss if either of them flip wolf. I appreciate good scumplay and I try to learn from it to better my own scum game. If Tenshii flips wolf, which I heavily doubt, but if he does then I will feel really stupid and really bad.

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:52 pm

Also mhsmith it goes without saying, but thanks to you, I refer to the mafia as wolves occasionally. This is applicable for other mafia websites as well. >:)

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:37 pm

Thor's scum if you're not and I'm gonna get creamed by him if you flip green.

Luckily after carefully reading you and your predecessor, their actions seem the most scum-motivated.

Transcend · Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:34 pm

should your flip be green, it will or would have been helpful because you've given lots of insight, and if I know it's from a town perspective I can take it to heart. But right now I don't feel that's the case.

Giga he just reads newbtown. I'm rarely wrong about noobs being town. Key word rarely. As I've said before, his reactions and content all appear genuine to me and I don't think his intentions this game are scum-motivated.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:16 am

In post 2434, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2423, Transcend wrote:The reason mhsmith makes more sense is because I have my own POV and know I'm town. How am I supposed to answer that question?
With a reasoned case - there are enough people alive that going 'I'm town!' still doesn't qualify as a case.
You could, naturally, present evidence to show why you're town, as that is a way to maybe show that you're town and thus mhsmith is more likely scum.

In post 2423, Transcend wrote:I think that my flip will be helpful and you trust Tenshii because that is my dying townread so again, I'm openly welcome to rope on me.
So you're thinking your town reads are more accurate than your scumreads?

In post 2423, Transcend wrote:Most people psychologically would say answer B
Yeah, I'm one of them.

In post 2423, Transcend wrote: but karnos was clearly ailing and hard defending him like I did would mean that I'd have to survive 5 lynches with that attached to me. I don't know how I would've played this as wolf but personally, I feel like I would possibly softbus or ignore karnos if he was in deep Smurf as opposed to hard defending him. That was sincerely just an error on my behalf for using falsified meta hence why I've been reluctant to trust any meta this game, because it S***ed me day 1.
Well, first off, I'd note you using poor meta (which I disagreed with at the time and discussed with you) does not an anti-meta case make. Functionally we have had two meta debates in this game, and I was right both times. Maybe that is random chance, sure, or maybe you think meta sucks because you use it poorly.

Why do you think Karnos was "clearly ailing" my recollection is at the time you were defending him he didn't have too many votes on him. He had like three.
Isn't that the optimal time to defend a scumbuddy?

I don't care to make a case about why I'm town, probably because I got nothing. I've given my final thoughts for the game, I don't really care to expand more, and you have the choice of sheeping me or not. I have openly welcomed rope around my neck because I don't think my mind will change as I have reread the game 3 times and I'm pretty solid on where I stand. If I'm wrong about something I'll probably beat myself up over it a few times then move on from it. This game has been long and drawn out. I have 3 solid townreads and have openly accepted losing the game to any of them. I appreciate good scum play as I've said before. Ideally I get my lynch today because unless I screwed up one of my three townreads, the game ends. I think a few people feel the same way as me, so if he gets lynched, great. If not, great. I just don't care to fight that hard anymore.

I did strongarm two horrible things this game. One- protecting karnos whoops. Two- lynching Rosskeslot whoops. I felt justified about both of those but I was just flat out wrong. Do I regret my actions? Not really. Do I wanna recover from them? Yes. Will I fight super hard? Nah. I think I'm a fair policy lynch for being so wrong this game.

Yes my townreads tend to be more accurate than my scumreads. Mathematically it's more likely to be correct on a townread than a scumread.

Consider the following:

5 players and 1 wolf, flip a coin if you declare someone is town you're 75% to be right, 25% to be wrong. If you declare someone is scum, you're 25% to be right and 75% to be wrong.

Obviously odds can't be measured legitimately in this game.

Scum tend to try very hard sometimes and blend in very well, which I believe is the case with mhsmith0. He is trying very hard. I post reads lists a lot to rely on in the future course of the game. I'm rarely wrong about someone in my highest tier. Unfortunately this game was an example where I was wrong. But in Diffusion of Power, I had MURDERCAT and Persivul as solid town and never deviated from that once. Unfortunately I misread Ranger and gave karnos a W. In my most recent newbie game, ironstove was my only solid townread. Unfortunately, I misread Joushi and he took a crap on me all game. But I was never wrong about my best townreads in those games. I was wrong about karnos being town because I used bad meta. No one's perfect. However in terms of Tenshii, I doubt that's the case this time so I heavily feel you can trust me this time. It's not a meta based read either obviously.

To each is his own about the two people I labeled. I'm not gonna harass you for thinking my actions were more scummy than his, because in hindsight they were.

He was clearly ailing because I did try to fight the BW but you guys were relentless and didn't take what I had to say to heart.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:21 am

"well he protected karnos all day he's conf town"

is a less likely statement for someone to say than

"well he protected karnos all day he might be the other wolf"

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:22 am

i don't think anyone is townier than tenshii btw

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:27 am

Also in terms of mhsmith and his d1, the typical person would ~probably~ be more inclined to initially say.

"well he lynched mafia he's town"

over

"he bussed get him"

just how psychology works.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:29 am

what................

oh yeah tenshii protected karnos too. tenshii wasn't townread for protecting karnos on my behalf.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:35 am

Nothing changes my read on tenshii at all but i just reviewed his RQS thingie because admittedly when i reread the game 3 times i skipped all the RQS posts. Anyways, I read his experience level. I thought he was a flat out noob, just like I thought Joushi was a noob. It appears Tenshii has some experience so I can't read them in a noob light anymore. I got duped by Joushi but he wasn't anywhere near a solid townread like Tenshii is right now.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:42 am

PLAY WITH ME YOU MOTHERFUCKER

i wanna rek u up

faster paced games are my specialty

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:45 am

oops didn't mean to curse :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:02 am

oxygen i guess

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:06 am

maybe i have different ways of reading people than you do.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:18 am

just because my reads contradict yours doesn't mean you can call me a "magic-8 ball".

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:54 am

here you are saying that my reads are garbage but do you see me berating you for lynching killthestory when i said he was probably town?

it's kinda hurtful and it's hard to offend me, but having exerted enormous amounts of effort into this game and getting trashed like you did, it sorta hurts me and my character.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:00 am

i also don't understand why you're apparently upset with me about the way i have my reads. tenshii's been my best townread and nothing including all the cases made against him, and all the wrong votes he pursued has changed my mind. i don't think you're scum either thor. i don't think giga's scum either. i've given my stance. don't agree with it? fine. but it is what it is.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:28 am

this just in: gigabytetroubadour and i just played one (1) game of epicmafia dot com and i dragged his ass to a town W.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:40 am

I've explained my read you just don't like my reasoning.

I didn't like your reasoning for lynching KTS or Tenshii, but do I respect the read? Sure I do.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:46 am

GUT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

have you even read the reasons I've said he's town

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:11 am

In post 2433, Transcend wrote:Giga he just reads newbtown. I'm rarely wrong about noobs being town. Key word rarely. As I've said before, his reactions and content all appear genuine to me and I don't think his intentions this game are scum-motivated.

Anyways, I think that this is Town!Tenshii solving the game rather than Scum!Tenshii who is manipulating everyone. His actions don't feel that manipulative. And I think all the pushes he's made albeit some of them wrong (There's 9 people that can be mislynched vs. 2 people who can't) were all sincere and were all made by him to achieve his town wincon. I haven't seen him do one thing this game that doesn't make me think he's town.

Now D2 Giga was a bit scummy for me because of his opportunistic jumps on quite a few wagons. Including KTS when he said that he was town d1. However, Giga's d1 was pretty good and his vote is what engineered the karnos lynch. So his d2 scumminess is outweighed by his towny d1.

As for you Thor, I, to this date feel your vote on karnos was weird because it looked kinda lazy. "Well this slot is town and voting this slot so chances are that this slot is mafia". I don't like the way you acquiesced to karnos. However, I think your tone has been consistent and I think your efforts to lynch scum appear genuine as well.

Long story short: I do not discredit the fact that you and Giga are towny mo-fos. I agree. It's just you two have had a few weird movements this game as opposed to Tenshii who I've solidly townread all game.

And I'm far from the only person who thought Tenshii was obvious town. Ahem, may I bring your attention to the likes of Killthestory, Wingback and iraonavp?

I sincerely feel all this babbling is pointless since smith's probably last scum here.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:25 am

My read on Tenshii is still the same, now that I know he's had some experience.

Okay Thor let's think of common things scum do to manipulate.

"hey you should vote this guy" is a very common one.

Tenshii DID NOT EVER tell anyone to vote his way. Tenshii did Tenshii's thing which included lots of vanity wagons that got little to no momentum. I feel Tenshii was using his vote to help him personally figure out scum. Unfortunately it resulted in a couple of mislynches and bad reads much like myself. But I'm smart enough to know town is capable of making such mistakes.

This is not a gut read honestly. The townread on Tenshii that is. That is a solid townread I've carried for about two months and nothing's changed from it.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:28 am

In post 2469, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Honestly I'm having a difficult time coming up with reasons for anyone else being the last wolf. I just want a back-up plan.

Assuming mhsmith is a mislynch... Who kills Thor before LYLO and who kills me? Does anyone kill {Tenshii, Transcend} at all?

i can't see either of me/tenshii dying at night. however, i don't also think we're gonna get a night with smithrope. i think we're gonna get the pts from the host.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:34 am

I know you're gonna ignore me but here's some things I think make smith scum.

- Kcda's weird actions and skating around the karnos lynch.
- mhsmith light voting karnos when Luna voted karnos as well and mhsmith was coming around her being scum.
- mhsmith being a heavy advocate of KTS!rope d2 and then when KTS trolls twilight, he immediately dismisses it as town.
- mhsmith discrediting my read on Rosske and laughing it off while simultaneously thinking he is a potential mafia candidate
- mhsmith not ever really committing to a vote. He's bounced around quite a bit and he's been non-committal.

Those were highlights I remember from my rereads but there might be more.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:35 am

Your case on Tenshii to me reads

well he pushed a couple of mislynches.

And that's why I haven't been too sold on it, because town mislynch all the time. Hello, look at who's talking!!!!!!

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:41 am

Middle of the road read means null right?

Tenshii lynching a null read sounds better than Giga lynching someone he had formerly thought was town and telling me to hammer really fast.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:47 am

I give up reasoning with you. We're two very different players who have two very different approaches and I can't see us ever coming to an agreement.

Every fucking thing I say.

Literally every fucking thing.

You have to give your opinion about how I'm wrong and how you're right and how you're mightier than me.

And I'm sick of it.

We're not gonna agree. It's just not gonna happen. One of us might be right, we might both be wrong. No one knows. But I'm gonna trust what I think instead of what you think.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:48 am

pardon my french

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:51 am

Hmm.... good point.

@Tenshii when you can, may you please explain why you voted KTS over Luna Fox?

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:52 am

I HAVE BACKED MY OPINIONS

STOP BEING SO IGNORANT YOU STUPID PIECE OF F***ING S***

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 5:58 am

You didn't defeat my point, I just want him to elaborate on that vote.

PEDIT: EMPTY MADE UP STUFF!??!?

**** OFF THIS IS THE S*** THATS BEEN IN MY HEAD FOR THE PAST TWO MONTHS.

I AM DONE WITH YOU BELITTLING ME AND DISCREDITING EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE. I DONT CARE THAT MY EXPLANATIONS DONT MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS.

THEY ARE MY READS AND I WILL STICK TO THEM TIL I DIE OR TIL THE GAME ENDS.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:06 am

Pointing out a "hole" is not defeating the read entirely.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:09 am

scummiest vote on that bw imo was rosske. but carry on.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:13 am

in that case, i'd have to look at smith's initial vote on KTS to make a decision, because that vote is... at most questionable.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:18 am

Oh my gosh you guys I just had a thought and this may or may not be Tenshii's answer but his best scumread at the time was PhantomCobalt, and if he voted on the Luna wagon he would've acquiesced to where his scumread was parked.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:23 am

In post 1035, Tenshii wrote:Tenshii's Dodgeball Rankings

1. tojam2, probably has potential to stay as #1 on the rankings given how hard he dodges updating VC.
2. PhantomCobalt, hard read as Dodgeball Goon
3. Luna Fox, hard claimed dodgeball coach at 959
4. mhsmith0, hard claimed professional dodgeball player at some post I'm too lazy to go back and reference
5. Killthestory, he's that one dude that FILLS (heh) the water bottles of all the players on the team
5. Transcend, soft read as amateur dodgeball player
7. Thor, has aspirations for joining his school's dodgeball club but didn't decide yet
7. Rosske, insert some dodgeball joke here
9. Io, literally threw the dodgball that killed Karnos
10. Giga, Karnos whispered Giga who was on the other team to throw the game so Karno's team could win but Giga declined like a good person
11. Tenshii, fully incapable of playing dodgeball unless salt meters reach a certain point

This is now the post I'm most proud of.

Break from the game, I've never actually said it, but this is the best post of the entire game.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:25 am

In post 2499, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:

you just gave him his answer you dingledonger

eh.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:47 am

In post 864, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 862, Rosske wrote:It certainly looks like sheeping seeing as you empty voted right after him. you really think Luna would have been first on the wagon for her own partner? You've already proven your reads are way off

Derp clear for rosske accepted. I don't think I'm ever voting him this game.

In post 2358, tojam2 wrote:
VC 4 - 11

Tenshii L-2 - Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour
MariaR Lynched - MariaR, Transcend,
mhsmith0
, Tenshii

MariaR was a
Vanilla Townie
.

(expired on 2016-09-01 12:20:00)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:51 am

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:59 am

In post 941, Thor665 wrote:KTS, Rosske, and Transcend - I'm leaning towards a scum in that set.

urp looks like thor had rosske!scum thoughts as well.

this guy is an ass and i hope i don't have the displeasure of playing with him again.

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:09 am

VOTE: mhsmith0

Transcend · Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:09 am

Being called a magic 8 ball when i've been trying super hard all game is down right insulting.