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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:34 am

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In post 74, Chumba wrote:
In post 72, Persivul wrote:
In post 70, Chumba wrote:I can't speak to what he was thinking. I'm just saying that's how I interpreted it.
He told us what he was supposedly thinking. You don't need to guess at it or interpret it.
Either way I don't think it's that damning.
There are lots of issues on D1 that aren't that damning. Small issues can lead to bigger ones. Is it your policy to defend anyone against a charge that you don't find that damning? I doubt it, so...why are you defending in this case?
I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion on a game relevant conversation. Otherwise known as playing the game... :facepalm:
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:54 am

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In post 74, Chumba wrote: I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion
"which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."

I could potentially see you deciding to defend Kappy as town, but going back on it when you're called out? Pure self-preservation.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:55 am

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Official Vote Count


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(2): Kappy, Sickofit1138
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(2): qubixes, Persivul
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(1): MechaGoomba
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(1): Mizzytastic
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(1): Chumba

Not Voting
(6): ShadyHood, karnos, Snork, Dierfire, species, Saru

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: (expired on 2016-06-22 16:00:07)
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:13 am

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In post 73, Sickofit1138 wrote:Because I'm vein pushed at by messy scum.
OK, so the scum have decided that they're going to push to lynch you, specifically, within the first IRL day of day 1, and care about accomplishing that so much that they'll double down rather than admitting their mistake when confronted with an obvious error. Why? What makes you so important that the scum are going to be putting themselves at risk to lynch you this early in the game?
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:15 am

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Chumba, I'm confused. What is the difference between stating your opinion about something people don't like to explain why you don't think it is scummy and defending them?
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:42 am

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In post 76, MechaGoomba wrote:
In post 74, Chumba wrote: I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion
"which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."

I could potentially see you deciding to defend Kappy as town, but going back on it when you're called out? Pure self-preservation.
VOTE: Chumba
I'm not sure you are even reading. I wasn't eve accused of defending kappy I was accused of defending sick.

The difference between giving an opinion and defending someone imo is, an opinion says I don't agree with you. Defending is actively trying to prevent someone from being voted/lynched
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:45 am

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In post 76, MechaGoomba wrote:which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."
Also not sure why you typed this. I certainly didn't say this
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:05 am

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In post 73, Sickofit1138 wrote:Because I'm vein pushed at by messy scum.

Per sibyl in order to play a twin game you have to read the thread and you didn't. No widom applies to this.
:lol:

You were caught changing your story so its understandable somebody is going to call you on it. Why do you think only scum would call you on it and not town?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:06 am

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Chumba wrote: I'm not sure you are even reading. I wasn't eve accused of defending kappy I was accused of defending sick.
Yes, I made a mistake. Does this mistake impact my case against you in any way, and if so, how?
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In post 76, MechaGoomba wrote:which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."
Also not sure why you typed this. I certainly didn't say this
OK, so if you don't think sick isn't scummy, why are you objecting to someone saying he is? For what purpose did you make that post? How did it benefit your win condition?
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:07 am

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Chumba, do you think sick is scum? Yes or no.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:20 am

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In post 83, MechaGoomba wrote:Yes, I made a mistake. Does this mistake impact my case against you in any way, and if so, how?
You have a case on me? No you don't. What you did was falsely accuse me of defending somebody and another false accusation of me of going back on it when called out


I have no read on sick atm.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:39 am

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OK, so have you always had a nullread on sick? If no, what caused your read to change? If yes, why did you reject Persivul's read of him?
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:52 am

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Yes I have always had a null read of sick.

I didn't reject anyone's read of sick. Not sure where you got that I did. I guess you are having more reading comprehension issues.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:18 pm

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So, you are adamantly claiming that you never defended sick or townread him and that everyone that thinks you did is an idiot that can't read properly.
Surprisingly, this makes me scumread you less. In new players, it's common for town to be obstinate under pressure, since they know they're town and can't get into the mindset of people that don't. Scum, on the other hand, know that they're scum and so tend to easily admit to scummy acts.
However, if you could cut down on the insults, I think everyone would appreciate it.

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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:28 pm

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In post 88, MechaGoomba wrote:So, you are adamantly claiming that you never defended sick or townread him and that everyone that thinks you did is an idiot that can't read properly.
Those are your words not mine.

I never defended sick (I did however give my opinion on the pressure on him) and I never townread him.

I never said anyone who thinks I did can't read properly, I pretty much said you have had issues reading properly because you mentioned me defended kappy when I was accused of defending sick and again later when you said I dismissed percivul's read of sick when I did no such thing.

I'm also slightly confused as to your last request. I haven't insulted anybody at all this game. If you are offended by the reading comprehension comments I'm terribly sorry about that however that's on you. I suggest in the future if you don't want to be called out on it, you make sure you read properly before accusing people of things to make sure they are accurate.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:30 pm

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And for the record while I'm newer to this site I'm by no means a new player. I have played Mafia for 5 years
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:40 pm

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In post 60, Mizzytastic wrote:
In post 56, karnos wrote: In all seriousness, I don't see a good target for a serious vote yet. I don't think kappy is in danger of being quick-lynched, but I don't want to be implicated if it does somehow happen while I am away.
Your worry is about being implicated, and not the (highly unlikely) quicklynch itself?

I don't like kappy but it could just be playstyle silliness. This sounds like scum thinking.
It bothers me that this post got buried so easily, because it's 100% truth.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:40 pm

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In post 10, Kappy wrote:I don't like RVS wagons because it's too easy for someone to accidentally hammer if they come in and don't read the thread.
"look how townie I'm being guys!!"

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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:40 pm

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Baorry for the multiple posts. Just wanted to say I'll try to tone it down some. I'm an abrasive player though
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:41 pm

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holy shit 4 pages already? ok I've got some work to do I guess.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:00 pm

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In post 27, Persivul wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 7, Sickofit1138 wrote:
In post 5, Kappy wrote:VOTE: Sickofit1138
For following a wagon. Obvscum move.
lol i thought i was first post but to each his own...
In post 9, Sickofit1138 wrote:first to post at all. i didnt know i was hopping on a wagon
In post 17, Sickofit1138 wrote:i saw them and didnt chage it

If you saw them, you did know you were hopping on a wagon. But, you claimed you didn't know you were hopping on a wagon.

VOTE: sick
In post 28, Kappy wrote:
In post 27, Persivul wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 7, Sickofit1138 wrote:
In post 5, Kappy wrote:VOTE: Sickofit1138
For following a wagon. Obvscum move.
lol i thought i was first post but to each his own...
In post 9, Sickofit1138 wrote:first to post at all. i didnt know i was hopping on a wagon
In post 17, Sickofit1138 wrote:i saw them and didnt chage it

If you saw them, you did know you were hopping on a wagon. But, you claimed you didn't know you were hopping on a wagon.

VOTE: sick
Maybe he just didn't feel like changing it.
this is kind of an interesting jump to defend someone else. i also agree with persivul's thinking on sickofit's timeline - doesn't compute.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:12 pm

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In post 41, Kappy wrote:VOTE: Persivul
For being stupid.
ew.
In post 45, Kappy wrote:
In post 44, Mizzytastic wrote:Kappy, what do you hope to achieve by moving your vote around?
Absolutely nothing. This is RVS.
It was over long before this post.
In post 46, Chumba wrote:The vote hopping and name calling (which is unnecessary) are not things I see coming from town
Bingo. Chumba can be town, along with Persivul. A certain amount of vote-hopping is to be expected in RVS but once RVS is over, not really.
In post 69, Persivul wrote:
In post 68, Chumba wrote:
In post 66, Chumba wrote:I actually read that as he was ok with a wagon happening.
What, are you saying that he didn't really think a wagon was happening, but just had the thought that,
hey, if a wagon
were
happening, I'd be OK with that...
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In post 70, Chumba wrote:I can't speak to what he was thinking. I'm just saying that's how I interpreted it. Either way I don't think it's that damning.
Yeah but he then said he didn't know he was hopping on a wagon, after saying that he did. That's the issue here, not the actual vote itself.

TBH I'm a little confused about where the argument that Chumba was defending anyone came from - I took her arguments as devil's advocate. Is that an incorrect interpretation?
In post 86, MechaGoomba wrote:OK, so have you always had a nullread on sick? If no, what caused your read to change? If yes, why did you reject Persivul's read of him?
These look like busy-work questions.

Ok I'm caught up.
In post 77, GreyICE wrote:Persivul (2): Kappy, Sickofit1138
This is kind of funny if it's what I think it is.

UNVOTE: Kappy
VOTE: Sickofit1138

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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:24 pm

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Interesting daystart. Sickofit's inconsistencies in his explanation of the Kappy vote stood out to me as well, as well as the omgus in response to being called out on it. Let's see where this goes.

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Also keeping an eye on whoever is genuinely questioning/voting Kappy for the RVS self-vote
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:27 pm

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Snork wrote: TBH I'm a little confused about where the argument that Chumba was defending anyone came from - I took her arguments as devil's advocate. Is that an incorrect interpretation?
People don't generally get that invested in devil's-advocate arguments.
Snork wrote: This is kind of funny if it's what I think it is.
You are of the opinion that 2 scum are voting the towniest-looking player in the game, start of day 1, and no one else is?
I'm afraid I have to ask why scum would ever do such a thing.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:28 pm

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In post 97, species wrote:Also keeping an eye on whoever is genuinely questioning/voting Kappy for the RVS self-vote
Thats a weird thing to do. It's not suspicious for a player to vote another player for doing something scummy.
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