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[Chumba]

vote: kappy

For self voting

[Chumba]

VOTE: Chumba
For not realizing I changed my vote.

Oh i realized you changed it. That doesn't matter.

[Chumba]

I think self voting at anytime scummy and town should never do it hence my vote. He's not town imo. Look at his other posts also and it just proves he's not town. The vote hopping and name calling (which is unnecessary) are not things I see coming from town so unless somebody scum slips I'm pretty much parking here

[Chumba]

Kappy, what do you hope to achieve by moving your vote around?

Absolutely nothing. This is RVS.

Sorry RVS is over and was over on page 1 imo.

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

In all seriousness, I don't see a good target for a serious vote yet. I don't think kappy is in danger of being quick-lynched, but I don't want to be implicated if it does somehow happen while I am away.

1. If he's somehow lynched while you are gone why do you think you would be implicated?

2. If you think he's scummy why would you care if you were?

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Actually Percivuls general misunderstanding and not reading the thread spells s-c-u-m-m-y to me at least

You have that backwards. People tend to be more careful as scum than as town.

You knowing that though just means you can play messy as scum and use that to your advantage

[Chumba]

Since you are still on this topic and apparently don't understand, I posted my vote and it got to the preview and it showed the two first votes and I was like eh

who cares I'm fine with a wagon

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I understand that, and by itself it doesn't bother me. The problem is that you said in 9, "

i didnt know i was hopping on a wagon

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One of the bolded is an outright lie. Which one is the lie, and why did you make it?

To be fair he wasn't actually hopping on a wagon though and I actually read that as he was ok with a wagon happening. Wagons don't count as wagons imo until they have more than 50% of the required number of lynches. 2/3 votes does not make a wagon

[Chumba]

I actually read that as he was ok with a wagon happening.

[Chumba]

I can't speak to what he was thinking. I'm just saying that's how I interpreted it. Either way I don't think it's that damning.

[Chumba]

I can't speak to what he was thinking. I'm just saying that's how I interpreted it.

He told us what he was supposedly thinking. You don't need to guess at it or interpret it.

Either way I don't think it's that damning.

There are lots of issues on D1 that aren't that damning. Small issues can lead to bigger ones. Is it your policy to defend anyone against a charge that you don't find that damning? I doubt it, so...why are you defending in this case?

I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion on a game relevant conversation. Otherwise known as playing the game...

[Chumba]

I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion

"which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."

I could potentially see you deciding to defend Kappy as town, but going back on it when you're called out? Pure self-preservation.
VOTE: Chumba

I'm not sure you are even reading. I wasn't eve accused of defending kappy I was accused of defending sick.

The difference between giving an opinion and defending someone imo is, an opinion says I don't agree with you. Defending is actively trying to prevent someone from being voted/lynched

[Chumba]

which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."

Also not sure why you typed this. I certainly didn't say this

[Chumba]

Because I'm vein pushed at by messy scum.

Per sibyl in order to play a twin game you have to read the thread and you didn't. No widom applies to this.

You were caught changing your story so its understandable somebody is going to call you on it. Why do you think only scum would call you on it and not town?

[Chumba]

Yes, I made a mistake. Does this mistake impact my case against you in any way, and if so, how?

You have a case on me? No you don't. What you did was falsely accuse me of defending somebody and another false accusation of me of going back on it when called out


I have no read on sick atm.

[Chumba]

Yes I have always had a null read of sick.

I didn't reject anyone's read of sick. Not sure where you got that I did. I guess you are having more reading comprehension issues.

[Chumba]

So, you are adamantly claiming that you never defended sick or townread him and that everyone that thinks you did is an idiot that can't read properly.

Those are your words not mine.

I never defended sick (I did however give my opinion on the pressure on him) and I never townread him.

I never said anyone who thinks I did can't read properly, I pretty much said you have had issues reading properly because you mentioned me defended kappy when I was accused of defending sick and again later when you said I dismissed percivul's read of sick when I did no such thing.

I'm also slightly confused as to your last request. I haven't insulted anybody at all this game. If you are offended by the reading comprehension comments I'm terribly sorry about that however that's on you. I suggest in the future if you don't want to be called out on it, you make sure you read properly before accusing people of things to make sure they are accurate.

[Chumba]

And for the record while I'm newer to this site I'm by no means a new player. I have played Mafia for 5 years

[Chumba]

Baorry for the multiple posts. Just wanted to say I'll try to tone it down some. I'm an abrasive player though

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Also keeping an eye on whoever is genuinely questioning/voting Kappy for the RVS self-vote

Thats a weird thing to do. It's not suspicious for a player to vote another player for doing something scummy.

[Chumba]

People don't generally get that invested in devil's-advocate arguments.

Not really sure how you can say I was "that invested"when all I did was provide an opinion.

[Chumba]

And is that based on experience?

[Chumba]

Something you can link?

[Chumba]

Thanks for your opinion however I'd still like to see at least one game that supports his opinion.

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Actually Percivuls general misunderstanding and not reading the thread spells s-c-u-m-m-y to me at least

You have that backwards. People tend to be more careful as scum than as town.

I just picked up on this.
Persivul according to this reasoning I would be town.

Uou are only using abject ice tells when they suit your case.
You reasoning is not solid and therefore you are my biggest scum read.

That's an excellent point.

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You're not helping town by forcing yourself to be the center of attention. You should know that.

he's not hurting town either though. If anyone is hurting town atm it's the people who is making a mountain out of a molehill.

did you address your own contradiction yet? I haven't seen it if you did.

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I am also confused how you did a 180 on sick, your reasoning doesn't really make sense to me and using meta and what i assume is an ongoing game are both kind of meh.

[Chumba]

1. I disagree
2. not sure I believe you

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post 150 actually kind of supports my non belief actually. The fact that you say his posts up until post 125 match his scum meta means that up until that post you were honestly scum reading him.

still not changing my vote off kappy but I fully support a persivul lynch atm

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I am also confused how you did a 180 on sick, your reasoning doesn't really make sense to me and using meta and what i assume is an ongoing game are both kind of meh.

As you note, it's a meta read based on my experience with him and a review of a completed scum game of his. It probably is meh to you. Unless you begin to push him, I don't have need to support it further.

not planning on pushing him and didn't ask you to support it. i find it weird that you felt the need to defend yourself there.

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post 150 actually kind of supports my non belief actually. The fact that you say his posts up until post 125 match his scum meta means that up until that post you were honestly scum reading him.

Incorrect. A handful of posts matching meta from a single scum game is enough to create suspicion, but not a full scum read.

still not changing my vote off kappy

Your RVS vote.

but I fully support a persivul lynch atm

Does it concern you that I'm voting Kappy now?

1. no that post plus your push on him clearly implies to me you were scum reading. You want to deny it fine, but I don't believe you
2. I am not sure why you think my vote on kappy was an RVS vote but it most certainly was not and I even stated that i wasn't going to change my vote off him for the remainder of the day phase which should have been a huge clue that it was serious. That makes the second person in this game who seems to have reading comprehension issues.
3. Not really because bussing happens. if you want to buss your buddy for an attempt at town cred I'm ok with that. Scum getting lynched is good no matter how it gets done.

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Are you denying that people push null reads in order to sort them? If not, do you have meta on me to support your inference?

But that isn't what I saw you do and your post 150 supports that you didn't have a null read on him.

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I also want to point out that the post I quoted doesn't really make sense.

I don't disagree with people pushing on null reads in order to sort them but if for some reason I did, why would I need to have meta on you to support my opinion?

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I tend to distrust hiding players in every game, feel free to look at my game history.

OK, I checked Newbie 1692. I didn't see you pressuring lurkers. On the contrary, a lot of your talk was about keeping pressure on someone who was at L-2.

interesting note here. I decided to take on further and look at 3 completed games. 2 games where he was town and 1 where he was scum.

Anyone want to take a guess as to which game he basically says the same as this game about hiding players?

[Chumba]

correct... not going to condemn him for that but i'll put him on my radar and go back and re-read his posts. Kind of glazed over them

[Chumba]

If you're going to joke, put emoticons indicating it. Otherwise, we'd have every scummy post ever written off as a joke as soon as someone notices.

Good advice. tone/inflection/sarcasm/joking/etc can't be picked up reading posts on the interwebz

[Chumba]

Scum - Open 638 - "I don't like the hiding... it makes me think you have something to hide."

Yes, and as town...

1700 In my (brief) experience playing here, I've noticed scum are often the quiet players who post the minimum amount to keep suspicion off, without trying to draw attention to themselves.

1692 Of course, I also find the quietest players are often that because they are mafia trying to keep a low profile, and the annoying talky players are sometimes just poorly playing townies, so you may yet be innocent.

It's part of my general thought process every game.

Also, FYI, 638 was multiball. While I was scum, I was also scum hunting to kill the other scum team.

I see kappy is sensing weakness and pouncing. I'm feeling better about re-voting him.

Good job. I was searching for lurking and hiding in his iso. I'm limited on my phone so missed hiding

[Chumba]

Like the persivul vote but how is kappy a null read?

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Sick, would you mind saying exactly what Persy's contradiction is? I don't see anything of the sort in his ISO, and you don't seem to have said anything about it. The only thing like a contradiction is that he missed Kappy changing his vote, and, um, that is entirely NAI.

I believe it's that I said that town is more likely to be sloppy than scum, and I was pressing him on a contradiction which he claims was just sloppiness.

It doesn't work both ways actually. Your "sloppiness" could easily be faked probably more so than his. The fact is if you believe your original statement you have to apply it to everyone or it makes you look like a hypocrite.

Again though this post leads me to believe that you had more than a null read on sick (and still do instead of the town read on him). If you are town reading him you would have conceded he was probably sloppy and not a bold accusation of contradicting himself.

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Just a question(or a couple) for you Chumba: if you are voting for Kappy totally based on the self-vote in RVS, what about that makes it scummy?

Do people not read my posts? I'm not voting him just cause of his self vote in RVS

vote: kappy

For self voting

I think self voting at anytime scummy and town should never do it hence my vote. He's not town imo. Look at his other posts also and it just proves he's not town. The vote hopping and name calling (which is unnecessary) are not things I see coming from town so unless somebody scum slips I'm pretty much parking here

And while it wasn't given as an actual reason, I'm including the below because town wants to hurry up and find scum. They don't want to prolong Rvs imo.

Kappy, what do you hope to achieve by moving your vote around?

Absolutely nothing. This is RVS.

Sorry RVS is over and was over on page 1 imo.

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You're right. As soon as you said I voted kappy for his self vote in Rvs I stopped reading the rest of your post. That's not reading comprehension failure. That's choosing to not continue reading a post that's already starting out false.

I can't give you more reason because I've given all I have. Those 3 things are the most damning things I've seen all game and I'm now convinced kappy is scum and today really needs to end with kappy swinging from the gallows. I'm fine with a persivul lynch but I won't join it cause I'm a woman of my word. I'm parking on kappy

[Chumba]

And actually this is unrelated to this game but unfortunately I need to

request replacement

I realize this site isn't the right place for me. Good luck everyone.