Mafia 70: Traditional - Game over!

[Aimee]

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unvote

[Lemming1607]

I was making fun of you for very bad reasoning. Why single me out?

[hmrox]

I was making fun of you for very bad reasoning. Why single me out?

Because you are getting defensive about people voting you and pointing out that you unvoted me after MOS did as Beastly pointed out. Also you claming that you think joke band wagons seems a little scummy to me especiall after the way you voted me.

unvote,vote:Lemming1607

[Niv]

i have been debating back and forth about tdoing this in my mind, and i think it is in the wowns best intrests to do this.

I am part of a 5 man mason team. and i was told from the begining that there there is at least one scum among us. i think i know who it is.

i sent out a nice high to everyone. and three people responded back with a nice high as well, however,

Simenon,

Responded with this line about how he thought out of 5 of us, at least one of us is probally mafia. and all this warning that was stated in the opening pm. i personally think that i cought Simenon as scum in pregame, for clearly not knowing the townie mason pm. When i called him out on this, he didn't respond. and he had atleast 2 days (i think) to do so. he picked up the pm and then said nothin.

there was reason for my vote on this man. and it is going to stand, as i think this is the best lead we're gonna get in no night 0 day one.

[Carrotcake]

Unvote

Vote: Simenon

The best reason to start a bandwagon so far.

[Simenon]

I did

not

receive any pm from Niv calling me out on anything. In fact, I have received the following pms from Niv:

Him saying hi and acknowledging my existance.
When I told him we shouldn't talk, he confirmed he wasn't told we were trustworthy.
Continues to confirm that the mason team was not told as a whole the mason team was not untrustworthy.

Niv, I have no idea how my suggesting we should talk, because there

may

be a mafia among one of us (I did

not

suggest I didn't know we were untrustworthy) leads you to conclude that I did not have the untrustworthy part in the pm.

"One of us is probably mafia" is not "Do you think this mason group is untrustworthy?"

[Sir Tornado]

Niv:
Can you directly quote your PM to Simenon and his PM back to you? I think that is allowed as long as you don't put in anything from role PM in it.
Also, just to make sure, was it explicitly stated in your role pm that one among the five is scum?

[Simenon]

And yes, I did not receive and pm from Niz stating I was scum and asking for a response. That pm is either fictitious or I didn't get it. Leaning on the former for now.

I told another mason partner the exact thing. He can confirm that.

[Simenon]

Niv:
Can you directly quote your PM to Simenon and his PM back to you? I think that is allowed as long as you don't put in anything from role PM in it.
Also, just to make sure, was it explicitly stated in your role pm that one among the five is scum?

No, it's not, but you should ask the mod anyway.

[Simenon]

Niv, I have no idea how my suggesting we should talk, because there may be a mafia among one of us (I did not suggest I didn't know we were untrustworthy) leads you to conclude that I did not have the untrustworthy part in the pm.

Sorry, I meant suggesting we should not talk, as it may give hints to a mafia in the group. I told this to him and another.

[Sir Tornado]

Simenon, not talking to each other part is not wise. You can determine from private conversations whether someone is scum or not. You should talk to each other a lot and ask each other their take on the D1 events during N1.

[Simenon]

My experience with unconfirmed masons is that the only use of night talking is to give the mafia a more informed kill/night choice.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Simenon

Someone is lying, because I severely doubt the pms just didn't arrive.

[Simenon]

/shrug

what difference does it make?

[ckillor]

i have a feeling that Niv and Lemming are mafia. lemming was starting to gain votes from all his bandwagon hopping, and i think that Niv called out simenon to pull pressure off his scum buddy.
i think its probably easier for someone to say that i told them this and they never responded, and have the other person who never actually received anything look scummy.

so,

Vote Niv

[Sir Tornado]

Wait...

Did the PMs say explicitly that one of the mason was mafia? Or did it say he was merely untrustworthy?

The thing is, having masons, where one of the mason is mafia sort of beats logic. I mean, what is the point in having masons where the mafia know all the masons? It is much more likely that the untrustworthy mason is a SK, or a survivor, or some neutral role.

[Simenon]

Did the PMs say explicitly that one of the mason was mafia? Or did it say he was merely untrustworthy?

The latter, but not directly.

[Flare]

He doesn't need to reveal why.

This Flameaxe wagon is silly.

You and your double standardness.

First you fail to point out why the flameaxe wagon is silly.

Second you also fail to point out why you voted for Hmrox. Just blindly trusting Flameaxe?

unvote, vote:Beastly

I didn't start it and see no reason why to continue the bandwagon anyway. Are we still in the random voting stage?

Unvote,Vote:Beastly because he voted me.

You omgus-ee voter you.

SirT needs to post more than votes.

OMGUS much?

unvote, vote Lemming1607

Didn't like his bandwagon jump and then subsequent unjump following MoS's unvote.

Way to completely ignore the post after that.

Why did you claim Niv. = |

FoS:Niv

actually. By coming out as the originaly mason, if you are scum, then you have just given yourself a very nice way out.

Simenon, not talking to each other part is not wise. You can determine from private conversations whether someone is scum or not. You should talk to each other a lot and ask each other their take on the D1 events during N1.

Highly untrue. You've never been an unconfimed mason have you?

I dislike how MoS automatically believes Niv, even when Simenon said that another Mason buddy can confirm what he got.

[Sir Tornado]

SirT needs to post more than votes.

Number of vote/unvote posts: 2
Number of other posts: 3

So, I AM posting more than just votes.

[Sir Tornado]

Highly untrue. You've never been an unconfimed mason have you?

I have been one, in fact. In Open 35 Big Love Mafia, I was one of the lovers, and my partner could have been a mafia OR town, and I was allowed to talk to my partner during night phase.

[Sir Tornado]

I dislike how MoS automatically believes Niv, even when Simenon said that another Mason buddy can confirm what he got.

Do we want another mason outing himself? No! I don't think we can be sure whether the traitor mason is a mafia, or some other anti-town role. Outing more masons is not a good idea, imho.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Simenon (3) -- Niv, Carrotcake, Mastermind of Sin
Flameaxe (2) -- ZONEACE, Celtic18
Zeppo (1) -- Erg0
Celtic18 (1) -- The Venerable Zorg
Ckillor (1) -- Yamahako
Aimee (1) -- KaleiÐoscøpe
The Fonz (2) -- Zeppo, Simenon
Niv (1) -- ckillor
hmrox (3) -- Flameaxe, The Fonz, Toaster Strudel
Lemming1607 (2) -- Beastly, hmrox
Beastly (1) -- Flare

Not Voting: Honary Hitchhiker, Sir Tornado, Aimee, Lemming1607
22 alive, 12 to lynch.

[Lemming1607]

I like how everyone is clear from joke bandwagon voting, but when I do its scummy. And then when I defend myself by pointing this out it's scummy. gg guys.

[ZONEACE]

I must say I'm not pleased with Niv's descision to out the mason group. Unconfirmed mason does not equal mafia mason, it can, but its not a definite and if everyone in the mason group ends up being town then outing anymore of them jsut gives the mafia more easy targets.

I don't know why but at this point I'm leaning toward beleiving Simeon over Niv, but

FOS BOTH OF THEM

Ckillor's thoughts make sense (regarding Niv and Lemming possibly being mafia) despite it being unliekly and not the best plan for the mafia if it's true. so

FOS Lemming

as well.

I'm gonna

unvote flameaxe

as my vote there was really just trying to get the day 1 bandwagon train rolling but sense we actually have some real info now and real suspicions we don't need a random bandwagon.

thats all for now

[Lemming1607]

Also you claming that you think joke band wagons seems a little scummy to me especiall after the way you voted me.

I'm not sure what you're saying here, but if you are saying that I think it's scummy to joke bandwagon someone then you are twisting my words and practically lying. I never said any such thing