Mini 495 - Mafia on a Plane! GAME OVER! =)

[spurgistan]

I agree that the response to originality's vote may say more than the vote itself.

Unvote: Originality

. Not out of the woods by any means, dumb newbs occiasionally deserve to die, (I sure as hell did my first few games) but I'd like to go back and see exactly how that page 2 wagon formed.

On another thought @shaft.ed, lucienne said above that she meant the OMGUS attack was against me, not you. Not saying I remember it, actually I remember Oman making a rather silly accusation, but that's what Lucienne said.

[AlyG]

I think i'll be stickingt with my vote for the time being but i don't really like luciennes and man's actions.

[AlyG]

*Oman *sticking

[originality]

Im getting tired of explaining myself over and over, you guys just see invisible loops through everything i say. if anyone has a direct question for me ill be happy to answer.

[shaft.ed]

Looks like things are going to slow down a bit. With two players out till the weekend (hope everything goes OK for you guys btw), and Karen hasn't shown up yet.

mod did you have any luck with a replacement?

Anyway,

@spurgistan, yeah I noticed that weird spurgistan, shaft.ed comment but didn't know what it meant. Also didn't notice any OMGUS on you either, so no matter which way that goes it's unfounded.

I really didn't gain a whole lot from the bandwagoning of originality. Its always hard to tell how much weight to give votes on page 1. No mafia would realistically think they could move for a bandwagon that fast. And if they did, it would be very incriminating.

I do think if anyone was a townie setting a 'quicklynch' trap it was Elias since as soon as Oman got his vote on originality, Elias swtiches his vote to Oman, a more likely play than tiny white letters. Though the reasoning leaves a bit to be desired.

Oman in his last post clearly seemed to think that Originality got to -2...So why does he say that Originality is almost worth a -2 vote, yet does it anyways? Hmm. Not to mention his vote looks opportunistic. vote: Oman.

[Elias_the_thief]

I do think if anyone was a townie setting a 'quicklynch' trap it was Elias since as soon as Oman got his vote on originality, Elias swtiches his vote to Oman, a more likely play than tiny white letters. Though the reasoning leaves a bit to be desired.

Oman in his last post clearly seemed to think that Originality got to -2...So why does he say that Originality is almost worth a -2 vote, yet does it anyways? Hmm. Not to mention his vote looks opportunistic. vote: Oman.

I'm confused by the term 'quicklynch trap'. Are you implying that I was trying to set up a quicklynch? I would attempt to defend myself, but I'm not really sure what I'm being accused of.

[shaft.ed]

No I'm saying you were more likely doing what Oman said he was doing. Adding a vote to originality to see if any scum would join in trying to bandwagon, or simply to pressue originality into talking.

I'm accusing you of being town.

[Streeflo]

Mod Note:

I'll start looking for a replacement for Karen now.

[Streeflo]

Top of Page Votecount #4!

Oman (3) - Elias_the_thief, Dr. Blackstrike, Lucienne
originality (2) - Carrotcake, AlyG
CarrotCake (1) - shaft.ed
spurgistan (1) - thesleepless

Not voting: Everyone else

With

12

alive it takes

7

to lynch!

[Streeflo]

dybeck

replaces

Karen

effective immediately

[Oman]

Firstly:

I'm accusing you of being town.

A violent accusation. I can't believe you'd do such a thing, do you have evidence? [/Joke]

Also, I never did an OMGUS attack on spurg, Lucienne, can you cite this for me so that I can defend against it, I've reread and I'm drawing a blank.

Yeah I know that, I'm basically just saying that putting little tiny white text saying this is a trap could be done by either side as it is premeditated. In my mind it has no bearing on the action itself. If I really wanted to get WIFOMy, I could reason that it was a scum signal for your "partners" not to bandwagon the vote to. But either way, I don't think the white text matters one way or another.

Completly true, it could be done by either side. Hypothetical=Omanscum: It would be pretty stupid to communicate with scumpartners this way though. Firstly because you guys didn't notice it, so my scum partners wouldn't, and secondly that type of communication (if found) could be refered back to at any time and used to incriminate me.

Right, now onto the goodstuff:

My first thought is that Dr. Blackstrike is scummy as all get out at the moment.

1. Claims without pressure:

Um, no scum here. Just a plain old townie.

Well done! A vanillia townie claim page three is certaintly what town would do.

2. Calls me "vote-happy" after 1 vote, which is less than almost everyone else.

3. I don't like his interaction with Lucienne, the FoS from

him

her and then Blackstrike saying "I wouldn't be suprised if she was scum trying to frame me" pretty much setting up for an early bus with the eventuality of "Lucienne was scum, so I must be town".

I don't really know which to vote between them, the only thing that tips it is that claim, its such an anti-town move.

Finally, I don't think Elias is scum here. Starting the wagon on me when originality had a wagon going strikes me an quite pro-town. Scum probably would've tryed to keep the wagon going (as per my phailed trap)

Unvote (if I was) Vote: Dr. Blackstrike HoS: Lucienne

[Streeflo]

I was thinking of modkilling Oman for his small white text, but then I realized that it wasn't in the rules. There is now a new rule 12.

12.) No small or invisible text. Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts either.

You have been warned.

[dybeck]

Yea I might tomorrow. After some disscussion and I have had my beauty sleep!

I'll wait for some more disscussion before I make my opinions.

I have evr so slight gut feelings on a few people but in the next few pages I will express my views on people.

Not good enough. Not good enough by half.

vote: VampanezeHunter

[originality]

Not good enough. Not good enough by half.

vote: VampanezeHunter

You know, I was about to make that observation. But for now it does not seem THAT much like a scumtell, and since my vote would be just to make him defend himself, I don't think two is necessary just now. So i'll just

FoS VampanezeHunter

[originality]

And to elaborate, he seems to be posting just enough so that he wouldn't be considered a lurking mafia, but his posts have about as much content as there is talent in american idol. Sneaky behavior there.

[Elias_the_thief]

1. Claims without pressure:

Um, no scum here. Just a plain old townie.

Well done! A vanillia townie claim page three is certaintly what town would do.

Its true that making an early claim is a bad move by town, but what exactly makes it a scumtell?

[Oman]

Streeflo, I checked it wasn't in the rules first. Thanks for not modkilling me.

Elias, what makes it a scumtell is that any townie would have to be an idiot to do it. Basically it tells the scum two things (and this is assuming the player is a vanillia townie) 1. They are not a powerrole 2. They are not worth a NK.

It basically benefits only the scum, do you feel like you know a whole lot more knowing that he is a vanillia rather then a doc or a cop?

If Blackstrike is town, he's foolish. But I'm more sold on the idea of a scum trying to look town, than a town.

[Elias_the_thief]

Oman, you have not told me why it is a scumtell. You have told me why a good townie wouldnt do it, which I already know. The thing is, it would benefit scum, but it doesnt make sense if scum is doing it. They would already know that they are scum, what do they gain from claiming prematurely?

Sorry if this seems a bit offtopic. I've been pondering this apparently accepted scum tell for a while and I seriously doubt its value.

[Oman]

Its the same as lieing, bad town do do it sometimes, but 90% its scum.

I'd be willing to bet that this is the same thing sometime townies roleclaim early, but 90% of the time, its scum.

[AlyG]

Yea I might tomorrow. After some disscussion and I have had my beauty sleep!

I'll wait for some more disscussion before I make my opinions.

I have evr so slight gut feelings on a few people but in the next few pages I will express my views on people.

Not good enough. Not good enough by half.

vote: VampanezeHunter

Good find, i never noticed that >_> So it seems he's just trying to sneak under the radar. Staying away from conversation so no one can get a read on him. I really don't like this kind of play, it's very weird and suspicious IMO. I'm sticking with my vote for now. But anyway

FOS: VampanezeHunter

And Oman, i still don't really get why you would write somethig in size1 small text. Why?

[dybeck]

Sorry if this seems a bit offtopic. I've been pondering this apparently accepted scum tell for a while and I seriously doubt its value.

It's not the best scumtell. And it's not 90% scum. But claiming early hints at defensiveness and panic that are much stronger scumtells. And townie is the safest claim of all.

It's a bit of a scumtell. Do I think it applies here? Probably not.

[Oman]

Why, AlyG, because it was a setup. But no-one would belive me if I said it later. I was essentially breadcrumbing, but not a role. I was breadcrumbing an idea and an action.

I don't see why everyone is so against it.

[Lucienne]

You and Blackstrike look like a pair, especially after you voted me and FoSed him, even though your reasons for me were rediculous.

Um, no scum here. Just a plain old townie.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if Lucienne was scum trying to frame me that way.

Please explain how this scenario has any merit.

Also, Oman didn`t put originality at -2? Oops. Nonetheless, at the time, I never saw why he voted for originality, since he wasn`t giving any of his own reasoning, just bandwagoning, it seemed.

If Oman could give a more thorough explanation of his originality vote now, I would be greateful.

[Lucienne]

Apologies for using this thread as English practice, but can someone tell me the correct spelling of "greateful"? It is one word I continually cannot spell in english.

[shaft.ed]

I agree that claiming town is not a strong scumtell. Personally I think it's a much stronger newbtell. But Dr. Black appears to have been active here for long enough to know better. Maybe he just hasn't played as mafia yet

FoS Dr. Black

I'm also 100% certain now that VampanezeHunter is lurking. He posts very heavily in the nongame forums but can't show up in game.

unvote vote VampanezeHunter

to draw him out of the woodwork.

I will remove if you manage to post something substantial.

Apologies for using this thread as English practice, but can someone tell me the correct spelling of "greateful"? It is one word I continually cannot spell in english.

Pretty sure its grateful. www.dictionary.com is your friend.