Mini 458 - Game over!

[ThAdmiral]

Voting for lurkers is often a mafia strategy, as they know that they only have to post enough to not be classified lurkers.
It also means that the person killed doesn't provide the town with much information, as he probably didn't get on enough to accuse people etc.

oh and the admiral no need to pressure me ill post on my own quite happily,

IGMEOY

1. I'm supposed to know this before my vote?

2. Who says I wanted you to post more anyway. I just want to see how you act under a bit of pressure. So far you haven't convinced me to unvote.

[Trombonist]

In response to J-man, My strategy has Changed because I am up to be killed, i would personally like to play for a while and not be killed at the start.

I re-voted for mole because he was the only other person to be getting votes; the only other person that could over take my rising lynch votes.

However i still think that J-man is in the mafia. His bit about wanting to be killed was very inviting. So ill try to get his bandwagon going.

Unvote
Vote: J-man

[molestargazer]

I re-voted for mole because he was the only other person to be getting votes; the only other person that could over take my rising lynch votes.

So you didn't think I was scum or didn't bother looking at the evidence, and just voted because other people were?

FoS: Tromboner

[Per]

Vote Count (#4)

J-man: 3 (fak, ThAdmiral, Tromboner)
molestargazer: 2 (Adel, Mastermind of Sin)
Tromboner: 2 (J-man, pickemgenius)
carrotcake: 1 (dylan41985)
dylan41985: 1 (DanMonkey)
DanMonkey: 1 (Carrotcake)

Not voting: 2 (molestargazer, Kate)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Prod sent to dylan41985.

[dylan41985]

unvote: carrotcake

vote: J-man

for seeming over-zealous to get to night time (maybe so he can kill me?)

[Adel]

While I don't like the posts by J-man so far, I'm going to wait for a little more evidence to base an opinion on.

Voting for lurkers is often a mafia strategy, as they know that they only have to post enough to not be classified lurkers.
It also means that the person killed doesn't provide the town with much information, as he probably didn't get on enough to accuse people etc.

So what is your prescribed course of action? Target those who chase lurkers? Ignore lurkers as if they aren't in the game?

In my opinion our initial objective should be to pressure all players into posting enough content that a reasonable case can be made against a couple players, and a reasonable case can be made for clearing the rest. So long as there is a player out there that I don't have enough information on to found an opinion upon, I'll refuse to extend that player the benefit of the doubt.

ThAdmiral: could you clarify your post, or do you stand by your words as they currently exist?

[pickemgenius]

I'm getting weird vibes from dylan. Anybody else? Maybe it's just me?

No posts in four days, then casually dropping a vote on a growing bandwagon.

[Adel]

Especially since J-man was the biggest promoter of a pro-town tactic that would quickly identify dylan41985 as potential scum. If dylan was scum planning on lurking into day 2 and beyond, a bandwagon on J-man would provide his best cover... so when J-man identifies him as a lurker is would seem OMGUSy.

Huh. I just sold myself on that theory.

unvote:molestargazer

vote:dylan41985

for lurking and casting a suspect vote.

[dylan41985]

joining a bandwagon vote may seem suspicious, but it's too obvious! I'm not that dumb.

[Adel]

WIFOM. Please provide a better rationale.

[J-man]

lol you know what no1 ever likes my posts speccially mafia.. oooohhh
Tomboner i hope you die you mafia scum

[J-man]

oh sry i forgot to mention this in my other post

theadmiral in response to your response to me i have 1 thing to say, its not my job to convince you to not vote me its your job to kill a mafia as well as mine since im am quite convinced that your just a confused townsperson.

[Mastermind of Sin]

unvote, vote: J-man

Appealing to emotion, sucking up to people to get them to go his way, acting like BM, personal attacks without substance, etc.

Definite earmarks of scum.

[Kate]

So J-man now has 5 votes, with seven to lynch...great idea town! put him in a position where mafia can easily kill him!
About the whole lurking thing, just because you're not talking as much, doesn't mean you're scum, maybe you're just busy or don't have anything to say about what's going on.
I think Adel is more suspicious in my eyes, how before it seemed he was pushing to kill the lurkers, and looks like he wants bandwagons:

Especially since J-man was the biggest promoter of a pro-town tactic that would quickly identify dylan41985 as potential scum. If dylan was scum planning on lurking into day 2 and beyond, a bandwagon on J-man would provide his best cover... so when J-man identifies him as a lurker is would seem OMGUSy.

Huh. I just sold myself on that theory.

unvote:molestargazer

vote:dylan41985for lurking and casting a suspect vote.

This was right after pickemgenius said something about dylan. And Adel's reasoning didn't seem very good, it seems to me he keeps saying people are scum because of what they will do in the future; that doesn't count as proof. However, what what's-his-face(dylan-something) did was pretty scummy, the way he just dropped in and voted without much reasoning, but I still think Adel is more scum.

Vote:Adel

[J-man]

BM ? what does that mean?

[Adel]

So J-man now has 5 votes, with seven to lynch...great idea town! put him in a position where mafia can easily kill him!

{snip}

This was right after pickemgenius said something about dylan. And Adel's reasoning didn't seem very good, it seems to me he keeps saying people are scum because of what they will do in the future; that doesn't count as proof. However, what what's-his-face(dylan-something) did was pretty scummy, the way he just dropped in and voted without much reasoning, but I still think Adel is more scum.

Vote:Adel

So Kate doesn't like the size of a bandwagon on J-man. But she also doesn't like my rationale for defending him. She thinks the person I voted for did something pretty scummy, but I get her vote anyway. For jumping on a "bandwagon" by casting the second vote. When someone else is -2 to lynch.

If there is logic in that argument, could someone explain it to me? It seems really inconsistent to me.

[Adel]

BM = Battle Mage, apparently the most popular player on mafiascum.

[Kate]

So Kate doesn't like the size of a bandwagon on J-man. But she also doesn't like my rationale for defending him. She thinks the person I voted for did something pretty scummy, but I get her vote anyway. For jumping on a "bandwagon" by casting the second vote. When someone else is -2 to lynch.

If there is logic in that argument, could someone explain it to me? It seems really inconsistent to me.

I never said anything about you defending him, I don't even remember you defending J-man. Yes, I do think the person you voted was scummy, but I still think you are scummier, by the way, with all the "WIFOM" and "BM" stuff, can you guys stop talking like idiots, 'cuz I can't understand anything that's going on when you guys talk like that...

[Adel]

Commonly used abbreviations and there is lots of other goodness on the wiki. You've been registered here for a couple of months longer than me, WIFOM is pretty basic and is commonly used.

I did defend J-man, in an oblique way.

[Kate]

I've only played in one other game, and WIFOM is used alot, however I still don't know what it means or any of the other crap you guys say

And if you did defend J-man, I don't remember, but never said you didn't or said I didn't like your reasoning for it. Actually, I never even mentioned you while I was talking about him, I only said we were stupid for putting him at -2 to lynch.

[pickemgenius]

So J-man now has 5 votes, with seven to lynch...great idea town! put him in a position where mafia can easily kill him!

While however unsmart it

may

be for J-man to be at L-2 relatively early, it's not a bad thing really, it's building pressure and is giving him a chance to defend himself, so we can have a logical decision on wheter or not he is or is not scum.

[Adel]

I've only played in one other game, and WIFOM is used alot, however I still don't know what it means or any of the other crap you guys say

In my last post, there are words that are blue, & they are a link to the page on the wiki where those abbreviations and many others are defined.

[Kate]

While however unsmart it may be for J-man to be at L-2 relatively early, it's not a bad thing really, it's building pressure and is giving him a chance to defend himself, so we can have a logical decision on wheter or not he is or is not scum.

So how will you know whether he's town or not? If he is town, he'll most likely defend himself or say, "Hey, kill me if you want but I hope you all die!", if he's mafia, he'll probably do the same, unless he decides to fake claim as cop or doc, but if he

were

the cop or doc, he would still claim.

[pickemgenius]

While however unsmart it may be for J-man to be at L-2 relatively early, it's not a bad thing really, it's building pressure and is giving him a chance to defend himself, so we can have a logical decision on wheter or not he is or is not scum.

So how will you know whether he's town or not? If he is town, he'll most likely defend himself or say, "Hey, kill me if you want but I hope you all die!", if he's mafia, he'll probably do the same, unless he decides to fake claim as cop or doc, but if he

were

the cop or doc, he would still claim.

We see how he reacts to X(5) amount of votes being placed on him.

Yeah if he defends himself, we can tell if it is good or not, and make more progress from there.

I don't know/see many townies offering themselves to be killed, it's not really smart, but that's just me.

[DanMonkey]

Woah, this game is moving fast, but I think I'll keep my vote on dylan for now. I didn't realize we'd be on page 5 by now.