433: Dry, bland, generic mafia: Game Over

[gorckat]

It was a bit stream of conscious, but nice flip, OTM...as soon as I strongly speculate that pj is not scum, you bail the idea of lynching him and go for the mutual target between you, pj and pie.

Its the same thing pj accused me of by targeting him, only you're not psuedoing.

Don't care what ideas the confirmed townie might have?

I'd really like pie and pj to give e some meat why they can't be partners together.

[petroleumjelly]

Well, now it's almost completely safe to throw out a {gork + OTM} pairing. Very comfy with my Pie vote.

I'd really like pie and pj to give e some meat why they can't be partners together.

If you think we're both scum together, you should be comfortable voting for either of us. It's a bit difficult to "defend" against a relationship that does not exist, but I would say the fact we're currently

voting each other

is a strong indicator.

Also, if we were scum together the two of us could win right now by quicklynching you, which you don't seem overly concerned about at the moment.

[gorckat]

If you think we're both scum together, you should be comfortable voting for either of us. It's a bit difficult to "defend" against a relationship that does not exist, but I would say the fact we're currently

voting each other

is a strong indicator.

Also, if we were scum together the two of us could win right now by quicklynching you, which you don't seem overly concerned about at the moment.

A quicklynch would be the first fast thing in this game and would quite catch me off guard. If pie and OTM are scum, they'd have to get you or cpe to move with them, and I don't think (hope) either of you would do so quickly.

Voting each other is a point in favor of not being scum together...

[Pie_is_good]

@pie: Are you saying there's some kind of proof that you and pj aren't scum together?

To a third party, no, there's no proof of that.

re: PJ

Did "OTM and Gorc probably aren't scum together, which would narrow the decision down to me and Pie, only I'm not going to tell the town that so I can reread first" cross your mind, or did that not cross your mind at all?

Also, I find the whole "If Gorc is town, he should be attacking Pie" comment quite unsubtle.

I want to see if pie can show how he and pj aren't scum together. I get the gorc/OTM aren't bit (our interactions would get an Emmy for distancing), but I don't see how it still couldn't be pie and pj together.

Again, Gorc, to a third party, PJ and I could theoretically be partners. But from my position in this game, I know I'm not scum, meaning my vote was justified.

If I had to make one, my best argument against PJ and I being partners would be that it means you're town. Which I don't find likely.

re: Gorc's [Pie/OTM] prediction

Uh, you can't really accuse me of coming out of the gate against you day 3. I've been attacking you since early day 2. Nothing happened that would change that.



I'm pretty dead certain of Gorc/PJ at this point.

[Pie_is_good]

It'd be nice to hear from our confirmed innocent at some point.

[petroleumjelly]

Posting to show that {Pie + PJ} is not possible (i.e. we could quicklynch gork).

Second thoughts from CPE.

[petroleumjelly]

Did "OTM and Gorc probably aren't scum together, which would narrow the decision down to me and Pie, only I'm not going to tell the town that so I can reread first" cross your mind, or did that not cross your mind at all?

Response:

I had not completely excluded the possibility of {OTM + gorkcat}, Pie.

One of the last mini games I played (that being Mini 424 playing as Javert), I had too quickly decided two players could not be scum together... and I turned out to be wrong. As such (and as I said in this game), I was not going to vote or come to a concrete conclusion or even pseudovote until after I had reread the game. Nice of you to notice that.

[petroleumjelly]

Actually, seems like we're at a standstill. Objectively:

Gorckat

1.)

Knows {Pie + PJ} cannot be scum

2.)

Therefore {OTM + Pie} or {OTM + PJ} is scum

3.)

Therefore vote OTM

OTM

1.)

Knows {Pie + PJ} cannot be scum

2.)

Therefore {Gorc + Pie} or {Gorc + PJ} is scum

3.)

Therefore vote Gorc

Pie

1.)

Knows {OTM + Gorc} cannot be scum

2.)

Therefore {OTM + PJ} or {Gorc + PJ} is scum

3.)

Therefore vote PJ

PJ

1.)

Knows {OTM + Gorc} cannot be scum

2.)

Therefore {OTM + Pie} or {Gorc + Pie} is scum

3.)

Therefore vote Pie

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I suggest we lynch whoever CPE votes for.

[Pie_is_good]

PJ, that doesn't directly answer my question. The game seemed to suggest OTM/Gorc as Not Partners. Did the idea that

assuming the two of them weren't partners, we would be at each other's throats

cross your mind at any point?

I also agree to deferring the vote to CPE.

[creampuffeater]

The way I see it, is that the scum are Gorckat/ one of Pie/PJ. And since I dont want to take the chance on lynching incorrectly between Pie and PJ, I suggest we lynch Gorckat. I hate you all for putting me in this situation >.>, as if we lose its all my fault. However, I am feeling strongly this

Vote Gorckat

[gorckat]

cpe, that's game if the other scum gets on me :/

</appeal to emotion>

@pj:

Gorckat
1.) Knows {Pie + PJ} cannot be scum
2.) Therefore {OTM + Pie} or {OTM + PJ} is scum
3.) Therefore vote OTM

I've been there, but for the remaining worry that you and pie are scum together.

[gorckat]

re: Gorc's [Pie/OTM] prediction

Uh, you can't really accuse me of coming out of the gate against you day 3. I've been attacking you since early day 2. Nothing happened that would change that.

I acknowledged that you have been on me since Day 2. I was referring to it more in the sense of you and I couldn't be partners.

[petroleumjelly]

*waves*

PJ, that doesn't directly answer my question. The game seemed to suggest OTM/Gorc as Not Partners. Did the idea that

assuming the two of them weren't partners, we would be at each other's throats

cross your mind at any point?

It does answer your question.

Yes

it occurred to me,

but

I was not going to base anything off of that until after

I had reread the game

. For all I knew I would come back thinking they were, in fact, distancing after I had done a closer read. Hence why I did not vote or pseudovote.

Willing to hammer, but I don't think we should end the day until CPE is ready (in case he wants to ask questions or elaborate on his opinions).

[gorckat]

Fuck it. OTM has to be scum and unless he or cpe pulls back, we're toast.

vote: OTM

[gorckat]

Helluva cross. pie+OTM it is, then.

[petroleumjelly]

PPE:

Ah, I was just about to ask why you favored the OTM vote over the Pie vote if me not hammering you necessitated I am not scum with either of them.

[Off the Mark]

cpe, that's game if the other scum gets on me :/

Other

scum? CPE is confirmed innocent so now you are acting confident I am scum, eh? That's quite a turnaround from being convinced I am townie after our twilight conversation. But I guess that doesn't suit your strategy anymore, so now you have to pretend I am scum. Quite transparent.

It won't surprise me if your scumbuddy hammers you at this point.

[petroleumjelly]

And OTM is logged on-line. Now to see what happens...

[gorckat]

I've been shifting all day, OTM. You really shouldn't be surprised.

[petroleumjelly]

Well, the solves that. {Pie + gorckat} it is. I have absolutely no preference on which we lynch, but nothing doin' until we hear back from CPE.

[Off the Mark]

Fuck it. OTM has to be scum and unless he or cpe pulls back, we're toast.

That doesn't even make sense. Townies who vote wrong are the ones we are worried about here. You are acting like I am scum and I need to pull back, which is mindbogglingly illogical.

[Off the Mark]

Well, the solves that. {Pie + gorckat} it is. I have absolutely no preference on which we lynch, but nothing doin' until we hear back from CPE.

Sorry, I don't find that very convincing.

[Off the Mark]

I find it interesting that you are not ending it, PJ. Pie has no votes, Gorckat is at lynch -1. You said you have no preference. Put your money where your mouth is.

[gorckat]

Of course I don't expect you to pull back.

It was simply an obvious statement that if you or cpe don't pull off then the other scum (pie, since pj didn't) will hammer and we lose.

There's no reason for you to pull back, but if you did, then the game'd go on a bit longer.

[Off the Mark]

Pie has no votes, Gorckat is at lynch -1.

Sorry I meant Pie has no

other

votes (besides yours).