Dodgy wrote:I'm not rattled at all. I agree that discussion has to take place and this certainly got it going but I think some people are taking my comments rather more seriously than they need to be taken.
@ Dasquian, I'm guessing your voting me because you think I'm scum? Well just for the record, I'm not.
As for my
move to discredit The Fonz's provenance as a mafia player
I was under no circumstances trying to discredit him as a player in any way, just merely asking if his "Classic scumtell" comment could be justified with only a couple of weeks under his belt on this site.
Anyway, I have said my bit and discussion has started. Keep your votes on me if you like but I will have the last laugh.
1.That was the lamest defense ever.
2.Way to backpedal, you were clearly challenging him on that point with your experience, along with your comments about if he played on another site, and you were sure on who was who.
Dodgy wrote:Quit it with your Scumtells and just play the game mate!
Youre forgetting one other reason why someone claims Town, because they are Town! LOL
That's pretty much the essence of mafia..... looking for tells, and you forget when some claims town, it's either because their town... or scum! LAWL!
Dodgy wrote:There is a VERY good chance that we have 3 Scum in this game and my guess is that you've all be outed in day 1.
I think the 3 scum are The Fonz, Dasquian and superstring91.
All 3 of you know that I'm not scum and thats why you are all going in for the kill and to get people onside.
If however you do manage this, please town, remember the mob!
As for your scumtells The Fonz, I hope for your sake you are scum because if by small chance that youre not, youre very bad at reading this game.
Mischaracterization. You've made them out to be three people who are attacking you for no reason and are doing it irrationally, but you don't even mention the possibility that one or two of them are scum. Or that they don't even know you're town (which I doubt at this point) because SK's are common in mini regulars.
Not only that, he never even addresses their concerns, he's just attacking them in an OMGUS way.
Dodgy wrote:Thats very true most of the time Southpaw but when everyone starts to presume such a thing is when the dinamics of the game can change and scum can do the most obvious things and people just say, nah, thats far too obvious.
Thats the fun of the game, you never know who is telling the truth or not, not for sure anyway.
Hmmmm, didn't you just make a post that said "When someone claims they are town, that means they are town?"
SS wrote:i have to agree. i dont think pointing out scumtells is a great idea right now keep those ideas to yourself, and maybe analyze them later.
Why? I have said this before, and I'll say it again.
Mafia is a game of an informed minority versus an uninformed majority. A faction wins when they become the informed majority. Town's object is to become informed (find scum), scum's object is to become the majority (kill town).
So, unless you have power role information, if you are town you should not with hold any information, as that furthers the town's objective of becoming informed.
About Classic Scum tells. Whenever you use them, they should be explained I believe. The only reason you should ever hold it against someone is if they just say it, and stick a vote on someone. (I personally spot appeal to emotion alot and point it out)
I like Kilem's post 82
I'm not sure of Eletriar's post 94, Panicky is viewed as scummy usually, not to mention how he tried to throw his weight of experience around.
Dodgy wrote:Hi people, sorry for not posting but I've just gotten out of Hospital.
To The Fonz, I think I have answered your questions fully.
I claimed myself town and I agree with whoever said, its an insignificant thing to do (or words to that effect) but I also laid a few hints in with my posts. Its a shame that I need to point this out again, as its really not good for the town to do so but it all helps in the learning for newish players.
Anyway, I've read the thread and I'm still a little concerned at the players that hav'nt posted much.
Hopefully will be able to post Tomorrow.
Why point out breadcrumbs so early? Not to mention, Fonz's arguments were not irrational, and breadcrumbs really do mean NOTHING, especially if you point them out in the early game.
Dodgy wrote:P.S To The Fonz, go back and read my posts, if you're not scum and you know how to read into this game like you claim to, with all your "scumtell expretise" LOL, then get off my ***king back!
If youre Town, you need a good kick up the arse for pushing me into what amounts to a role claim.
If you really were as ofait with this game as you like to portrait, as town, you would have picked up on all the "so" obvious hints I have given and packed up your crap.
I can only conclude that you are either bullshitting about your Knowledge/experience of this game or you are Mafia
Therefor...
Vote: The Fonz
Dodgy, no one forced you to claim. You're mischaracterizing the Fonz's intentions. Like i said, Breadcrumbs mean nothing, and the only obvious hints that you layed down were scummy enough to be voted for. You were the only one who proclaimed extreme mafia experience I believe......
Dodgy wrote:I've so FUCKING had enough of inexperienced players that talk fucking shit and try to pretend to everyone, that they know how to play this game with insight, ie The Fonz.
Instead of attacking the Fonz, why didn't you answer his arguments? It was pointless to even play if you're not going to listen and actually play the games...
Dodgy wrote:I only joined this game because my fellow creators/friends, Jeep, mathcam and MEMe convinced me to.
I thougfht this was a mini with no theme, not a newbie with a certain pereson that talks bollocks!
I quit and I can because I set this fucking site up, co-wrote the "Wikki" that people keep refering to and thought that I would be in a game with players that had the intelligence to read between the lines.
Here goes peeps....
I am/was The Doctor
You pointlessly claim, and then complain because you came under some heat from a player with rational arguments?
Dodgy wrote:Now listen up, yes I've given up and its its really not good for the town but I thought, being in a mini game,which by the way, was my origional concept, that the far majority of players would have experience.
Town listen...... either The Fonz is full of shit or he is Mafia! My guess, he's both.
Have fun and next time you see me in a game, make sure you know how to fucking play the thing!
I'm not refereing to the majority of players in this game but just to those that claim to have knowledge yet refer to "my Wikki" which I sat down and wrote all those years back, for back up.
The Wikki was never set up to be a bench mark for quotation, just a point of reference for people to use as they joined the game as a new player.
Last post.
I hate to say it, but Dodgy is a MORON. Seriously, he got mad over a RATIONAL case, and just tried to flaunt his experience instead of actually using it.
I see how Eletriar tried to get the game started back in post 122
Fonz wrote:There has to be a serious motion to lynch CES, though. LynchAllLiars. I don't know about anyone else, but I would like to see CES genuinely claim here.
Now this warrants an
FoS
I think. If that's not CES's real claim, you don't push for the real one from a replacement.
Lynch All Liars has it's place. This is not one of them.
I think this was more Fonz following a meta he's heard instead of a scummy action trying to out a power role.
Dodgy probably claimed Doc, so his role would get killed on night 1 so his actual role would be taken out of the game.
FoS:Sweeny
I think.
Dasquian is protown IMO
I'm not sure of The Fonz's obstinance on the point of CES.....
Fonz wrote:But the only situation in which that seems to have us coming out ahead is if Dodgy/CES was a townie, lying about being a doctor, which is the precise situation for which LAL was created.
Actually, LAL was probably created to make telling the truth a protown action and lying an antitown action. That way, telling the truth is encouraged, and town becomes the informed majority (win condition) quicker.
Dasquian wrote:You know what? Neither do I. It's supposed to have been a trivial bit of flippancy, but I was wrong to assume that dead doctor == scum Dodgy/CES. As I've been saying, Dodgy could have been pro-town and lied about being the doctor. So I retract that. However, I would not like to be in CES' shoes tomorrow if someone else dies overnight and is the doctor.
I disagree. Dodgy could have claimed doc for a number of reasons (Mad scum trying to clear his replacement, bitter town trying to get killed, SK with a safe claim to go ahead and use before he leaves)
I agree with Pete that Superstring looked a little opportunistic in post 207.
FoS:Kilem
who was clearly watching the game, but didn't post at all. She immediately responded when Pete brought it up.
FoS:Gork
for his post 271.
Shea wrote:I'm really tempted to edit that last post to take out the "off"