Mini 374 - Numbers Mafia, Game Over!

[Maz Medias]

Unvote

.

WTF Nightfall? That was dumb. You're on five to lynch. I like.

[neongrey]

I'm also Canadian.

[Mini Neo]

Rofl nightfall

PS notice how people jumped on the nightfall bandwagon as well >_>

[Maz Medias]

Except the Nightfall bandwagon is actually backed by the fact that he dropped a "random" 4th vote.

[Zindaras]

I'm not sure what I think is scummier: Nightfall's ridiculous 4th vote on Adele or the bandwagon on Nightfall that formed afterwards...

[BlueSin]

unvoteso early...
vote boo

now longer is a random vote. suspicious reason for putting nightfall over the edge of being lynched.

[Boo]

wait so its OK for you to vote for him, but not for me to vote for him??

fos bluesin

[Adele]

I'm not sure what I think is scummier: Nightfall's ridiculous 4th vote on Adele or the bandwagon on Nightfall that formed afterwards...

If a person's scummy, acting against them (in the form of FOSs, votes, wagons and lynches, depending upon the level of scumminess) is a pro-town act, surely. In which case, the only complaint one can level is that response is disproportionate to the original scumminess.

As Nightfall placed a fourth vote, and four votes ended up on him, I don't think he has any unhypocritical cause to complain.

I think that if Boo is scummy for placing the fourth vote, then Nightfallis by definition summi

er

unless he can point to an action of mine which is scummier than placing a fourth vote at this stage.

Finally,

wait so its OK for you to vote for him, but not for me to vote for him??

Yes. A vote is not simply a vote, it's also an action placing a person at lynch-X. A fourth vote is intrinsically more dangerous than a third, and so requires a greater justification. There's no excuse for not knowing that since it's why Nightfall (who, with over 1000 posts, surely knows these basics) was wagoned in the first place!

[Boo]

a 5th vote lets two other people lynch him
the scum arent going to blatantly finish someone off like that without a roleclaim, so a 5th vote isnt that scummy, its actually probably UNscummy

[Zindaras]

I'm not sure what I think is scummier: Nightfall's ridiculous 4th vote on Adele or the bandwagon on Nightfall that formed afterwards...

If a person's scummy, acting against them (in the form of FOSs, votes, wagons and lynches, depending upon the level of scumminess) is a pro-town act, surely. In which case, the only complaint one can level is that response is disproportionate to the original scumminess.

That's pretty much how I feel. I think the (really, really quick) bandwagon on Nightfall is quite disproportionate.

Especially looking at the reasoning for some votes (he's Canadian omfg lynch him!).

[Nightfall]

Sorry guys, I was in a rush and didnt read the thread over. I didnt think It would already be upto a 4th vote zomg. I certainly understand your suspicions though, and do what I can to clear things up.

[Adele]

a 5th vote lets two other people lynch him
the scum arent going to blatantly finish someone off like that without a roleclaim, so a 5th vote isnt that scummy, its actually probably UNscummy

How is it UNscummy? Because that looks like WIFOM to me, and I consider WIFOM logic scummy too.

[neongrey]

I dunno, it's next to impossible to avoid WIFOMing. Just really depends on how far it gets taken.

[Adele]

pshh. I don't mean type-2 WIFOM: "Mafia wouldn't do that because it'd be directly disadvantageous", I mean bona-fide, type-1 wriggling: "Though it wouldn't directly harm mafia, and might even help, they wouldn't do it because it looks bad and they don't want suspicion on them". Type-2 is logical, Type-1 isn't. Type-2 is honest, Type-1 isn't. I consider Type-1 a tell.

If Boo can explain the reasoning behind his argument, though, and show it to not be a case of type-1, then cool.

[Boo]

sorry, can someone explain WIFOM and the other acronyms to me?
I usually play mafia at Heavengames and the games are a bit more dynamic and dont require seperate types of logic.

by my argument, i meant that if two people were to quickly vote and lynch nightfall it would make those two players look scummy. (especially the last one) by casting a 5th vote, it sets up a barrier. those who vote afterwards need either be sure of what they are doing, or look quite scummy.

[Zindaras]

WIFOM=Wine In Front Of Me.

From The Princess Bride, if I remember correctly. Basically, one guy has two glasses. His own and yours. One is poisoned, one not.

Which glass did he poison? Is he the kind of man that poisons his own glass or yours? This reverse reverse reverse psychology is useless, since it boils down to a guessing game, eventually.

[Adele]

The fact is, boo, that before someone's lynched, someone

has

to place the fifth vote. So the fifth-vote-placer

is

supporting a lynch or quicklynch, not defending against it.

[Mert]

Still pretty happy with my vote on Nightfall.

[Boo]

thanks zin.

[q] I certainly understand your suspicions though, and do what I can to clear things up. [/q]
5 Votes and he says 'he will do what he can to clear things up' Seems fishy to me.

[Adele]

[/quote] is the end tag; [quote] is the start tag. I put them in reverse so you could see them. Of course, you could always just hit the "quote" button in the top-right corner of the post you want to quote, and it'll open up a reply box with the quote ready-made in there.

This gives me an idea for a "general discussion" topic

[Boo]

yeah, im also used for forums which have bbcode abbreviations. =/

[Nightfall]

Still pretty happy with my vote on Nightfall.

I understand, I would be to.

P.S.

Unvote

since it was random in the first place.

[Maz Medias]

I'm pretty happy to vote Nightfall now, too, especially after his recent over-exertive tries to appear sorry...

[Adele]

He said that it was a mistake, corrected it and apologised.

[sarcasm]Clearly scum[/sarcasm]

I think I'm more caught up in Boo's stubborn refusal to admit getting people closer and closer to being lynched might result in their lynch and so is a potentially a very scummy action (particularly if it's very quick or random)

[Boo]

any vote is getting someone closer to a lynch.