Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

@cabd : Say that again plz.

I only started posting few hours ago after V/LA.

Catching up.

GIF, can you buy me some pizza?

Now you're just trying to milk nacho's townread of you. No wonder people don't like to play with you.

[Cabd]

VOTE: AJ
Him sitting at L-1 is best practice anyways.

[Cabd]

Not likely. He's east coast USA as well.

Also, I have the striking suspicion varsoon is trying to fakecrumb.

[Cabd]

Does anyone else see it?

[Cabd]

Does anyone else see it?

[Cabd]

Spinach, I think these two posts of mine ought to answer your question.

Wait, like what the fuck do I have to do with that quote chain at all to be mentioned here? I've been staying quiet as to not "Spread wifom" (because god knows none of you would trust my reads until I die anyways), but still: What am I missing that I'm involved here?

I've got this one.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

reads as an attempt to pull people off your wagon to pile on his. He's giving himself up in your defense. The only motivation I can see for that is that he knows your role and it's more important than his. Since a good many people see both you guys as scum, logic would be you have a scum PR.

I really hope AJ is a scum PR.

Also, do you -really- think I'm trying to make myself a lynch target when I've got a vote on AJ?

Your play this game advocates a(n)

( ) insightful ( ) interesting (X) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to fighting scum. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from meta to meta.)

(X) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.
(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.
(X) It violates the mod’s rules.
(X) It will get townies killed
(X) It requires scum to be stupid
( ) It does not account for the closed nature of the setup
(X) Your solution speculates at the setup
(X) The townbloc won’t put up with it
(X) Requires too much cooperation from scum
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) The town cannot afford the risk.
(X) Scum will see it coming ten miles away
(X) Anyone could fake the result they want

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Rules expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat
( ) Asshats
(X) Nobody trusts you
(X) Unpopularity of new gambits
(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics
(X) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well
(X) Willingness of players to give you a chance
(X) People who hate your play
(X) Scum safeclaims given by mod
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(X) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
(X) Flavor Gambits suck
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?
( ) Incompatiblity with the current player base
(X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
(X) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

Oh my GOD.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

wondering if aj is another scum special role tbh

I mean LOOK AT THAT POST

Which is exactly why we're going AJ first, varsoon second. Unless we revisit key/whoeeveritisnow tomrorow

[Cabd]

See the thing that is ticking me off he most (strangely) is the pizza thing, right now

Do you see how forced it looks

It is obviously scum trying artificially to mimick something he thinks he will get towncred for

Ffs

it is a food tell and yes, I think it is lynchworthy

in the old times food tells where nearly always scummy but I once tried to get rach lynched on a food tell and she was town.

Comon molly, at least you see it right? The fake breadcrumbing? He's doing every possible thing he can to get towncred.

[Cabd]

WOW did I seriously logout and then log back in to the same account

Also, cabd, I'm not sure what you mean by fake breadcrumbing. I can see he's obviously exploiting that nacho read.

Also, happy scumday nacho

Go pull his ISO, look for role claiming in the most recent 30 posts or so. Look carefully, and you'll see it.

[Cabd]

I feel like varsoon is crumbing bulletproof.

There was the offhand comment abotut it, and then post after post about:
Buy
Pizza

Where plenty of other things could have been requested etc. It's too forced to be accidental imo.

[Cabd]

No Cabd

It's too forced TO BE TOWN

That too.

Sorry orc, but like several people asked me to spell it out.

[Cabd]

Okay well I'm happy that he did

But that was a dumb thing to do cabd

fucking instantly
and guess what
that was town as fucking shit

One town tell does not a townie make

I think he meant me, not varsoon.

Gif, did you pass the turing test by laughing at my checklist, or are you a robot?

[Cabd]

My checklist about varsoon, GIF

Your play this game advocates a(n)

( ) insightful ( ) interesting (X) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to fighting scum. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from meta to meta.)

(X) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.
(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.
(X) It violates the mod’s rules.
(X) It will get townies killed
(X) It requires scum to be stupid
( ) It does not account for the closed nature of the setup
(X) Your solution speculates at the setup
(X) The townbloc won’t put up with it
(X) Requires too much cooperation from scum
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) The town cannot afford the risk.
(X) Scum will see it coming ten miles away
(X) Anyone could fake the result they want

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Rules expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat
( ) Asshats
(X) Nobody trusts you
(X) Unpopularity of new gambits
(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics
(X) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well
(X) Willingness of players to give you a chance
(X) People who hate your play
(X) Scum safeclaims given by mod
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(X) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
(X) Flavor Gambits suck
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?
( ) Incompatiblity with the current player base
(X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
(X) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

[Cabd]

food tells?? WTF? Only thing I can see where a food tell would be a bread crumb is for fruit vendor?

In the NFL upick we did fruit vendor was changed to cheese vendor cause dude picked Wisconsin cheeseheads team lol.

We had a lot of cheesy fun with that.

uggh not liking AJs response to his wagon. eh I am gonna shut up now.. wtf where is the town motivation in that? Kill it with Fire

Scumz

Andy you still seem to be so sure AJ is town can you explain what town motivation there is in his response to his wagon?

Rach food tells as in talking about food instead of the game as a way to force town-tells. Not as in the role itself.

[Cabd]

What a scumday present.

[Cabd]

Happy scumday to youuuuu,
happy scumday to youuuuu,
happy scumday dear nachooooo,
happy scumday to youuu.

And many more..... (scum lynches)

[Cabd]

^rach is a girl

Also, sorry, but you'll have to quote posts to make a case on a reads flip on meh.

And is your bro read truncated for a reason?

[Cabd]

WORST SCUMDAY EVER

But nacho we love you. Also le doubt.

[Cabd]

It's okay, I still ship it.

Love will find a way.

[Cabd]

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT NACHO THAT WAS SO HASTY

Also lol at contents of townbloc from d1 being like half scum

[Cabd]

But srsly, that was AWESOME scumplay by bro. Good job man.

[Cabd]

I'm just glad they didn't have to cancel the game. We all shoot glares at metal sonic now kthnx. He discussed this LYLO in several other ongoings.

[Cabd]

That LyLo was a setup in as much as I couldn't leave Andy alive because it would have been more obviously a setup had I done that.

pedit: Holy fuck that's what MS did? I was afraid to ask which game because of how nervous I was.

Two games that I know of. New York (perev's game) and red wedding (andy's game)

[Cabd]

That said, it was pretty obvious from the outside that metal sonic was the VI being brought to lylo.

[Cabd]

This game already holds a special place in my heart because it's been fucking awesome; so many townies in this game have stepped it the fuck up and played AMAZINGLY: B&B obviously slam dunked the game several times and was thoroughly fucking great and mollie is going to slaughter me if we lose after the time she's put in, Venmar confirmed a vanilla town N1 and pegged scum N2 with his hider role which is actually perfect play for a hider role, and he trusted his read OVER MINE because he knew my read was wrong, Cabd was a player I had never seen before, never heard about before who completely gained my respect as a player over the course of ONE GAME, Mac who towned all over the place Day 1, was an excellently strong townread that everyone felt in their hearts was town because he actually WAS that town, Ghostlin who had that step up on Day 4 and played like a fucking god, Rev who took that scummy townie mislynch slot and turned it into an aggressive town slot that actually became a threat worth bullets, waynegg who was around yesterday who prodded the thread until the thread came alive again and brought life back into the game, even BRO who sent me on a paranoid stint because he's playing amazingly.

This made me smile great smiles... then I got to the BRO line....

[Cabd]

Orci totally had me fooled, but I called TD from D1. ANd man that post about Gif i made is making me kick myself.

[Cabd]

GIF townread slipping, posting elsewhere and ignoring this game...

Should have gone more aggro on this notice.

[Cabd]

(judging on how you're reacting I'm going to assume it was a lylo of you, Nacho, and Bro)

I havn't read the game, but Nacho isn't a VI. He's far from it. We all make mistakes, no one is perfect and calling him a VI just because he hammered you and lost the game doesn't mean shit. Games are lost, and games are won that's how things go. Just because you think something is obvious, doesn't mean someone else will either

Mara, he's upset because he read like 170 pages of this game.... and then didn't get to make any posts because nacho showed up and voted without waiting for him. I'd be hella pissed too.

[Cabd]

Hey if we keep going like mad, we can totally just double the page count again!

(Also, bork needs to run an invitational with this exact same player list because i fucking love all of you)

[Cabd]

Hey if we keep going like mad, we can totally just double the page count again!

(Also, bork needs to run an invitational with this exact same player list because i fucking love all of you)

If I can be town next time.

Nah. YOu can be scum again, transparent now that I know how to read you, and be the d1 lynch.

[Cabd]

No but seriously, this player base again in another game. Please. Make it happen borkie.

[Cabd]

/prein Xenoblade 2

[Cabd]

Anyone else looking forward to the new team xeno game they teased at E3?

[Cabd]

Yeah literally I think this entire playerbase needs to hop into another game together. This has been by far the most enjoyable game of mafia i've ever played. Tense, tight, lots of antics, and also the premiere of DA CHECKLIST, forever the anti thesis to the flowchart.

[Cabd]

I figured gif for scum because of how strangely gif was playing early on.

@Mollie: Mostly that players will lynch you for proposing that everyone commit mod-suicide.

The checklist was supposed to be informative. Flavor gambits suck. Outguessing the mods sucks.

[Cabd]

have scum qts been posted?

Don't think so.

[Cabd]

Oh yeah, Gif, what was your "if i didn't die" plan?

[Cabd]

hey waynegg why did you go retarded on us

I did say this back on D1. As town waynegg goes rampaging around pushing the fuck out of everyone.

[Cabd]

Even his strongest townreads. And his "reads lists" are never entirely real, until the end of the day.

That said, I don't think pushing dirt on your town reads is all that wise, but whatever it's his play style.

[Cabd]

Downsides to this game:
~No more perfect win percentage on mafiascum
~Addicted to mollie yelly angry font

Upsides to this game:
~Literally everything else

[Cabd]

Oh don't worry he's blowing up our hydra QT

[Cabd]

I had the best role because seriously, who can resist me. I'm frigging boss. Did anyone notice me crumb my character?

[Cabd]

Now we're getting started.

This is a catch-up post as of post #2014, so anything after that is not figured in here.

I'm doing a complete re-read of the game, so some of this may be a repeat of things I or others have said, but it's my own take on stuff.


Topic #1: The Miller Slot

Upon re-reading the first few pages of interaction with Sven, without being "in the moment" I'm less sure as to the alignment of the slot. I don't like a lot of the WIFOM generated by Sven before he left, but he does seem genuinely pissed about getting the role. Not how I'd play miller, but eh. His replacement seems a bit better about everything. I think leaving the miller to a backup lynch and or a vig kill is fine. The tracker results will have to be verified by death anyways; we won't be able to trust any results of it until then.


Topic #2: TiphaineDeath

I counted. It took me three minutes and thirty-six seconds to ISO TD from his first post to post #1242. However, I really don't get his 2 read. Also, a good majority of his posts are one-liners with no actual readability, which does worry me. I'll write this one down as light lean scum. I'll also note that him pushing this MS scum slip reads almost identical to me pushing a "scum slip" of my partner in my most recent scum game (the newbie one I linked with JMO), so MS flipping scum would not affect his read one way or the other.


Topic #3: "2"

This hydra sure does talk a lot. 2 is sitting in the scum list of around half the town right now, and I'm inclined to agree. Personally, going back and seeing the first few pages did it for me, with the early read of sven of town without any other context, guts me to think that they know full well sven's alignment and that they're telling the truth. If 2 flips scum at the end of today, I'll feel much better about our miller slot, as well. The "4 scum" thing that happened in not one but TWO posts is pretty damning too.

Topic #4: Varsoon (and his Gambit)

The actual fuck was that? That was so inherently anti-town and shitty, I'm at a loss for words. Varsoon, what on earth gave you the idea that this stupid gambit was viable? This very well could have led to mod kills for players had the mod not been at hand to shut you down. That said, if he ever gets to L-1 and claims anything male at all, hammer his liar ass. He hopped on the "Imma girl guys" wagon.


Topic #5: AJ

Like I said long time ago, I feel like at least one scum would avoid the miller clusterfuck entirely and find another target. AJ gave a bit of lip service to the miller thing then went the other direction and voted TD. Post 450 he pushes TD again. What I'm really curious about though is why in post 1146 his reads state Bro to be the most town person of everyone.


Topic #6: Metal Sonic:

Sonic is kind of worrying me, but the main thing that pinged my scumdar was him suddenly agreeing with me as being town without any explanation given, right after all the major town players did so. The ISO was also a bit screwy, obviously he didn't read each post, it was a skim, if anything at all.



Topic #7: My Current Reads List

Town (in no specific order):
Nacho
Orc
Andy
Beauty/Beast
Guy in Freezer
Mac (Being super suspicious of me and doing his homework? +1)


Null:
Reverend (leaning more town though now)
Ghostlin (Leaning town though)
Rach (Say more, jeez)
TMTOLBTWNTOF (he's done nothing really, two or three posts isn't enough for a solid read IMO)
Keybladewielder (start posting, let us form a read of you. Also, you claimed to have reads so out with them)
dntfkingcare (We'll see how his replacement reads, his posts were devoid of much of anything tbh)
Sajin (I need to ISO you before I sort you into either pile)
Bro (I need to ISO you, too)

Here be Likely Scum(s):
AJ
Metal Sonic
2
Varsoon
TD

Obviously not all five of those are the actual scumteam (jeez wouldn't THAT be nice) but that's the list I want to bark up.

Voting AJ and proud of it.

VOTE: AJ

[Cabd]

Gotta say though, that was two and a half months of pure awesome.

[Cabd]

Here's an interesting "what if"....

What if sven had never claimed miller, and just gone along silently?

[Cabd]

I mean, in general, like the mafia discussion thread says, I'm starting to wonder if NOT claiming your miller status is worth it in large games with like 15+ players.

[Cabd]

I can see it now.

New player ends up in a game with 2. Thinks they might be scum and goes looking for meta, finds this game and goes all "well they were scum and died day one, this ought to be a quick skim"

[Cabd]

Suddenly, on ongoing games EVERYWHERE, everyone outs the meta from this game they've been using secretly the whole time.

I bet if you have google trends generate a map for "xenoblade" on the site, it hella spiked a few hours ago.

[Cabd]

Orci, you're leaving for a while for school right?

WHatcha gonna be?

[Cabd]

SOMEBODY had to keep doubting me and forced me to use my entire stock of "ye olde cabd towntells"

So why kill me anyways, just because i was obvtown? Because my reads weren't super or anything soooo.

[Cabd]

Any reason you quoted that orci?

[Cabd]

Besides it being totally the best thing ever, that is.

[Cabd]

Orci
06-06-2013
04:12 AM ET (US)
BnB has a lot bigger concerns than you, BRO, but you need to step it up

And Cabd is like never going to be lynched so yeah

Woot

[Cabd]

What varsoon said

[Cabd]

What varsoon said

Oh god I feel dirty QFTing varsoon. Somebody help. I need an adult.

[Cabd]

Openly declaring multiball makes it a lot less of an issue though. I think bork said his next game would be openly announced multiball?

[Cabd]

Are we looking at 20p again? Or a different size this time?

[Cabd]

I avenged myself, so i feel less bad about losing this game to orci. Eye for an eye, buddy.

[Cabd]

Love you too

[Cabd]

@Bork: So, MetalSonic wants to Hydra up with me for Xenogears mafia. Would you allow my slot to be whatever hydra we end up running?
Yes, I am aware, this sounds like the most insane Hydra ever created.

You both get the checkist once every page FTR.

[Cabd]

So long as you agree to never ever EVER mention an ongoing game inside another one I forgive you.

[Cabd]

Nb4 mod says "nope, still not allowed"

[Cabd]

Because I mean, let's be honest, you could still somehow accidentally reveal their teammates or something.