Mini 14 ~ Mafia Holographica (Game Over!)

[Gammagooey]

I did want you Feysal dead before you a while back. But every time anyone's given you a break you just prove over and over that you shouldn't have been given one. Regardless of your alignment I'm expecting your play this game to be more detrimental to the town than all the VIs in here combined, and I don't think you play this poorly as town. I'm tired of your yelling and I'm tired of your impulsive shooting and I'm tired of your bullshit arguments and I'm tired of spending so much time explaining why I think you and Feysal are scum only to have it completely ignored.

You wanted to see me under pressure?
This is it.

[Gammagooey]

@1128-Fate I've answered that question so many times now. I'm not even expecting a win here because of how much you've gotten away with already. You're not going to convince me of anything with all this, I'm not going to convince you of anything with all this, and this conversation is godamn stupid.

So once again. I'll see you tommorrow Fate.

[Gammagooey]

No.

[Gammagooey]

I've finally gotten some sleep now so I'm going to go ahead and spell out what I'm going to do for the rest of this game.

I'm going to spend the rest of my time, energy, and firepower killing Fate.
I'm not going to kill vezok, I just wanted a light rail position far enough away from Fate that he couldn't catch up by the time I got out.

There is absolutely nothing anyone can do to convince me of Fate-town at this point. You can either help me kill him or shoot at me.

[Gammagooey]

I actually wanted to cancel it once you moved east but I couldn't so yeah.

The mystical PoE doesn't exist if it's just you+feysal scumteam which would make a lotttt of sense to me, AND from your perspective I should be part of the PoE too if you're just basing it on the scumkill. If it's just HURR THEY'RE PLAYING SIMILARLY BADLY ONE MUST BE SCUM then no. I thought that in Powerful Wizards and was as wrong as wrong could be.

In regards to TBM, I now get to reconsider how intentionally shitty a town can play as. I thought ReaperCharlie hit the limit for it but NOPE. I would kill TBM again a thousand times over for that terrible effortless play.

[Gammagooey]

Fate I'm sick and FUCKING tired of you whining about how I'm throwing the game.
I'm going to follow my reads probably to my death and at the very least you can try to respect that instead of just insulting my intelligence over and over again to try and discredit me.

You're scum because you've knowingly wittled down as much town as you can with your firing with no regard to intelligence or careful play, thinking correctly that you can get away with it because all the other people who you can't convince with yelling are already dead.

[Gammagooey]

Why in the hell would I help you kill VV and Furc.
I'd consider Feysal, but your reads jump so godamn often that it just looks like appeasement to try and avoid your own death.

[Gammagooey]

Here's the thing Feysal.

I've explained why I think you and Fate are scum in QUITE A LOT of detail, and if anyone's actually made a case against VV I missed it under the "OMG IF UR TOWN VV MUST BE SCUM CAUSE I SURE AINT SCUM NOPENOPE". If you want to convince me that someone is scum maybe you should try ACTUALLY CONVINCING ME THAT THEY'RE SCUM. LIKE WITH WORDS AND SHIT. And no your setup speculation doesn't count, I want why he's scum from day play.

[Gammagooey]

Oh and if I can move after getting out of the Plug in

Move:East

[Gammagooey]

Furc gets a thousand hai 5s for that shot.

And Fate even if I suddenly believed you were town because ??? I wouldn't even be in range of Furc until the day you flip.

[Gammagooey]

Fate stop being retarded, nobody had an alignment in the demo.

Furc I'd put wayyy more money on Feys-scum as a partner to Fate than anyone else here, Fate's damaged everyone else in the game but you and him. vezok I could actually see as a partner except there'd have to be 3 scum- neither him or fate was in range of inhims for the gamma pulse.

Also your last post is ??????

[Gammagooey]

EBWOP:Also Fate your last post is ??????[/quote]

[Gammagooey]

I've got class like right now i'll be back and read before the end of the day

[Gammagooey]

Fate class was from 2:20->3:45. I'm typing up a response to Feysal's case now.

[Gammagooey]

So I'm back and I read over Feysal's case. It's not terrible logic-wise but it's so godamn LAZY.
Half of it is describing how Feysal let him slide for things he's done earlier in the game, and it doesn't read at all like trying to convince a person that another is scum, and he asks me why I didn't just bring up a case on VV myself of all things. The entire point of asking him for the case is to know why HE thinks VV is scum, and if he's town to convince me that VV is scum to help make him dead, not for me to say everything VV's done that's scummy when I haven't had a scum read on him all game.

And as much as I'd like to say Feysal+Fate scumteam lolwingogogo Feysal really isn't acting like someone who's about to lose a scumbuddy : /.

[Gammagooey]

Naaah you're just scum with someone else :3
Or maybe I'm missing something between you and Feysal.

I still haven't read over your THREE HUNDRED POSTS OF ISO so I've got a lot to go through to try and figure it out.

[Gammagooey]

That's a DECENT point but you shooting at Feysal if you were about to flip scum would pretty much eliminate him as a suspect while leaving him alive for several days to focus fire whoever he thought was scum if you used spark sap.

[Gammagooey]

So I could run up and get the module right now but I'm pretty okay with vezok getting it if he wants.

[Gammagooey]

Yeah if vezok heads north to get the module I'll go east.

[Gammagooey]

MAYBE it's because I still think you're scum, and still think vezok is town, AND think that his weapon is shitty enough that he could use the upgrade more than me.

Speaking of scumclaims listing Furc as your top scum pick and then killing VV instead AND calling me scum at the same time is pretty cool.

[Gammagooey]

Hurr because you TOTALLY didn't spew all this bullshit with chesskid and me earlier too.

On the bright side at least you haven't defaulted back to OMG FURC ARE YOU TOWN IF UR TOWN THEN <person who thinks Fate is scum> MUST BE SCUM HELP ME KILL HIM OKAY?

[Gammagooey]

Wow I completely missed that entire post aside from the VV shot.

I are a herperderp.

[Gammagooey]

KK GO.

But you're not allowed to use any arguments that assume you're town.

I WANT IT ALL FROM MY PLAY, NO HERP U THINK I SCUMZ U MST BE SCMU MANIPULAT OF CENURY

[Gammagooey]

WOW TPYING LKIE THI IS ACTULLY PRTTY FUN

I TAKE BACK USING ARGUMENTS THAT ASSUME YOU'RE TOWN BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE OBVIOUS MISPELLING EVERY 3 WORDS. YOU STILL CAN'T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE WITH SHIT LIKE HERR HE DUN CLAIM SCUM BY DOIN SMART STUF.

[Gammagooey]

These aren't really in any particular order until the the split between your posts.

I don't think I've called Furc useless all game actually, although I know he has been useless in games past.
I haven't been hitting a lot of people due to the collateral damage it would cause to people that I've read as town in-game (vezok, VV)
Mines being support instead of offensive makes more sense to be just based on that you can't cause the damage directly to people
Furc read of needing to die was in the very early game, and I haven't thought that he needs to die for quite a while now, including putting him on one of the townlists in my big scumlist
Giving up on reading you was way more of having an intial scum read on you that just strengthened with every shitty shot you took

And I'm not really angry now- I was more than a little frustrated yesterday because I think that a town win is pretty unlikely at this point, you were making bullshit arguments and I hadn't slept in way way too long.

I shot at TBM because he refused to give reads or really ANYTHING useful and that looked like scum trying to get away with giving as few connections as possible before going out
I spent probably 40+ posts defending chess and getting called probscum for it
Feysal didn't look like scum about to lose a partner because he wasn't about to lose a partner-problem solvedddddddd.
You already said the rethinking read thing
YOUR optimal strategy is way way different from the average players just because it's your playstyle to make rash decisions and you can clearly get away with pulling shit others can't

Aaaaaand I'm disapointed that you didn't decide to go the angryhobo route of case-making because I'm telling you right now it would have been way more fun.

[Gammagooey]

As much as this shames myself to say it.
I actually thought you might be town with a Feysal+VV scumteam, or that you bussed VV but that really didn't make much sense- I figured I wouldn't be in range of anyone except probtown-vezok until you flipped anyway so I thought I'd just figure it out then.

[Gammagooey]

No, still going to head over and do my best to kill you unless Furc+VV beat me to the punch. I'm just waiting to see if vezok is going to log on in time to get the module or if I should just head up and get it myself.

I'm ashamed that I thought that you might flip town after well. This game.

[Gammagooey]

And Fate how many scum do you know that have the same emotional response to something for a completely different reason than a town would for something else that's occurred. I mean come on saying that I'm faking being ashamed of myself would make way more sense.

I'm pretty okay with chilling for a bit though on posting. I'm gonna go watch the old season GSL finals to be ready for watching this season's tommorrow :3

[Gammagooey]

Fate I reject your bolded anti-fun caps lock and notion that I don't feel shame for changing a read based on something that both hadn't occurred yet and not thinking through why my new read could be incorrect after holding my Fate-scum read pretty strongly for most of the game.
Have a good night =)

[Gammagooey]

Aaaaaaaand vezok does dumb things. This is the most surprising thing that has ever happened in a mafias game.

Move: East

And Fate I don't need to kill both of you+feys I just need to kill you so Furc and maybe vezok can see your flip.

[Gammagooey]

Sheeping Fate-scumz.

[Gammagooey]

...Why would have I ASKED you to take the module if I thought that was the stupid thing.

The stupid thing was shooting me. And if I was really scum it would also be leaving me here when I could have just killed you next turn.
And Fate is scum.

[Gammagooey]

I'd like to see Furc with vezok hiding on day 14 personally. optimal positioning would be Furc+vezok in one, Feys+Fate in another, and me+VV in the last so that the pulse can't be fired without not only revealing one scum but pretty much revealing that the possible scumteams aren't as they appear to Furc+vezok.

I think the best way to do it would be Furc+vezok B1, Fate+Feys A3, me+VV C2. The scum might choose to just not kill but I'd be pretty okay with a draw at this point.

Or if Fate feels like yelling about how scum he thinks I am instead of doing something intelligent I can just get next to him and kill him. Either works.

[Gammagooey]

>Herf Fate's town for having a strong-ass role when the scumteam is probably only two players

NOPE.

[Gammagooey]

Plan isn't going to work unless Furc moves west by the end of tonight I think.

[Gammagooey]

Yeah it'll be the 6th day after the pulseshot tommorrow, and everyone has to be in place by the seventh.

[Gammagooey]

Fate I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally don't want you or Feysal in range of Furc. Vezok moving up would be okay with me but I think furc is a way more likely pulse-target, ESPECIALLY if he's in range of one of (you/feysal) and VV at the same time. Furc should go west and I THINK VV should move south.

[Gammagooey]

>Fate fucks up the plan for bullshit retarded reasons
DOUBLE NOPE.

Move: East

[Gammagooey]

Furc should still move just so he doesn't get hit with Plasma burst collateral damage but I doubt he'll get on in time.

[Gammagooey]

I will Fate. I will.

[Gammagooey]

Assuming I can count correctly (i'm pretty sure i can count correctly) the gamma-pulse will be ready to fire as soon as tonights result scene goes up so moving tommorrow will do a whole lot of nothing.
Granted even if you did move tonight there's still so many people that can fire the shot AND pretty much a guaranteed scum among them so it really wouldn't do anything at all.

[Gammagooey]

Plasma Burst: B3/East

VV is dead because his shield is down via vezok.
VV SHOULD fire at Fate regardless of his alignment unless they've both been playing the worst game ever and bussed each other too hard as double-scums (this didn't happen)
I'd like Furc to shoot at Fate too just to make sure he doesn't live through scum shenanigans, although it'll probably be overkill.

[Gammagooey]

@Vi:

vezok picked up the module at B1 in the same post as his VV shot.

I'm aware of this. ~Vi

[Gammagooey]

Oh. I guess it's a special and vezok can't pick up the module.

[Gammagooey]

There's a SMALL possibility that you're town but if everyone who had a shit post upon getting out of the game was claiming scum TBM would be scum too.

Furc I would bet on actually being town given that if he was scum all he would have to do to win is avoid getting shot at considering he has the best weapon in the game damage-wise and he isn't doing that plus from what I've seen of his scum play in mini 1000 I think he would take just about every shot he could at trying to kill people.

VV is 100% dead, even if his shield has a 1 day cooldown, because the cooldown only starts the result scene when he gets shot (today).
Fate is ALMOST 100% dead but I'm a little paranoid that he had the mine from the start of the game and really did get a healing module from the one he picked up, and that would let him live through the shots. Hence why Furc should shoot him too.

Holy shit Fate FOUR posts ninjaing me? that's a little excessive, even for you.

[Gammagooey]

Oh Fatescum would clearly never try and manipulate town into shooting other town by pretending to be town in twilight nope Fatescum is never intelligent like that herpderpderp.

[Gammagooey]

Man Fate you could at least lay off with the lies if you want to be believed.

a) you ASKED me to shoot at all you bastards in that square, AND I asked Furc to move several times so that he wouldn't be caught in it
b)Furc won't die from spark sap. You can figure out why for yourself.

[Gammagooey]

Sure.

You did it hoping for any combination of the following-
a)if Furc DID move you'd still be able to hit him with gamma-pulse
b)hoping to use this logic later as LOLLOOKHOWTOWNIAM
c)if I didn't move in time you could have taken out VV and lived through it unless Furc shot you.

[Gammagooey]

double A) gamma-pulse cooldown being separate from weapons cooldown is pretty much required to make sure that town can't break the game with it
double B) You figure you're dying pretty soon anyway so you sacrifice yourself to try and get Furc to shoot as much as possible at town and make it easier for Feys
double C) see B
double D) Mostly he's just looked townier than you forrr the entire game.

[Gammagooey]

Furc has the most hp of anyone in the game. Unless the gamma-pulse isn't at all like the sample PM he won't die straight up from it unless you bring him down in hp.

VV looks like town trying to figure shit out, TBM read like scum trying encourage pro-town things for townpointz.

[Gammagooey]

So this whole me/VV/Furc thing is still stupid.

Fate, if you REALLY BELIEVE that me and VV are scum together then knock off the retarded Furc pressure and make sure VV is dead, for all you know me-scum could have a scum-heal module to save VV with AND you should know that having all of me/Furc/VV as scum makes absolutely no sense because we could have won by now by just focus firing everyone else.

The pressure is ESPECIALLY stupid because you're just planning to just laugh and shoot him anyway if he actually goes through with the shot.

While we're at this.

Move: North

I can't fire at Furc tommorrow because we'll be in the same square.
I CAN fire at Fate if he lives due to scum shenanigans. And his shield won't be back up by then.

[Gammagooey]

Vezok already moved south you scumbass. (i kind of want to make a picture of this now)

[Gammagooey]

yawnnnnnnn. you can do better than that fate. go make up some shit about the healing module instead.

[Gammagooey]

If VV really is scum then yeah I'm probably a dead-man walking. But I think you're more likely scum than him AND even if VV is scum Furc is still town, and can either kick everyone else's ass or I can get Feysal down to low enough hp that Furc can kill him after I'm dead.

(in before loliwassowrongaboutVV itmustbegamma/furc)

[Gammagooey]

:? vezok can die to one hit of Feys's tri-attack what you talkan about.

If I'm scum with VV then Furc can't be scum with VV. It's really pretty simple.

[Gammagooey]

The only way YOU can actually kill him is if you're scum. Sooo go ahead and keep pushing that.

[Gammagooey]

plasma pistol: vezokpiraka

I mean yeah I guess it's possible that vezok's scum with Fate but I think he would have just finished off vezok for town credz if they were scum together, plus vezok being scum would probably mean a 3rd scum so that him having a non-gammapulse special wouldn't screw over his team if the other scumz died. So umm. Yeah.

[Gammagooey]

Feys I'm confused. And three people are dead at once. I'm gonna be waiting for flips before doing stuff.

[Gammagooey]

F.

[Gammagooey]

I already said this in the dead quicktopic but yeah-

Eh. I'm not going to make any excuses for my play cause it was pretty terrible.

[Gammagooey]

Feys the only weapon that would have even given you a chance at winning would be Life Hack I think, and even then you'd have to get in linear range a day before you'd be able to get in his square to have a chance at killing him so he would just pewpew you dead =(

[Gammagooey]

PRETTY SURE he knows that and is just explaining his thought process. stop bein' a dick.