Mini 935 -- The Fountainhead (Completed)

[Budja]

/Strawberry.

My lie detector just started beeping like crazy.

So he's scummy but no vote?

vote Almaster

[AlmasterGM]

Why?

I don't believe that Zang did not understand what SpyreX was talking about. I re-read his post multiple times and it is crystal clear. I am of the opinion that he panicked, got defensive, and then calmed down and is trying to cover it up by pretending he didn't get what was being asked.

So he's scummy but no vote?

By unvoting RedCoyote, you're unvoting COMMUNISM.

That being said, fair point.

Unvote. Vote: Zang.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

It took me way too long to figure out that Zang's "There just random voted" meant "They're just random votes". Big old English fail from Zang there in multiple ways.

Zang's primary argument seems to be, "but other people random votes as well why am I the one being picked on". The problem I have with the wagon is that Zang has repeatedly failed to grasp why he's being picked on (and the reason was plenty good for an opening bandwagon). The fact that he continues to not get it suggests to me that his reaction isn't of overly defensive scum, but a sad sack who simply doesn't get it.

Vote: AlamasterGM

I like Budja's catch that AGM out and out called Zang a liar, but that wasn't good enough reason to vote for him. My suspicion is furthered by how quickly AGM acquiesces to then vote Zang after Budja votes for him.

[Porkens]

Elbow Drop DDD

[SpyreX]

ILLEGAL HOLD!

Actually, I have something a brewing in my pot. It just has to simmer.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Elbow Drop DDD

Moonsault Double Stomp: Porkens

[Fate]

Revote: Almaster

Agreed that Zhang is a sad sack. Just meta the poor guy.

[Budja]

I like Budja's catch that AGM out and out called Zang a liar, but that wasn't good enough reason to vote for him. My suspicion is furthered by how quickly AGM acquiesces to then vote Zang after Budja votes for him.

Why isn't that a good-enough reason?
What is the problem with Almaster's vote? It was a slight point in his favour IMO.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I like Budja's catch that AGM out and out called Zang a liar, but that

it

wasn't good enough reason

for AGM

to vote for him

[Zang]

. My suspicion is furthered by how quickly AGM acquiesces to then vote Zang after Budja votes for him.

Why isn't that a good-enough reason?
What is the problem with Almaster's vote? It was a slight point in his favour IMO.

A) Does the sentence make more sense now?
B) He's pandering to someone pressuring him, it doesn't feel like he's voting because he thinks it's the right thing to do (or he would've done it before) but instead because he wants to appease the person voting him.

[Budja]

Much better.

[SpyreX]

God LORD its hard to wait for things to happen that I need to wait for happening.

[Fate]

God LORD? No need to be redundant Spyrex...

>_>'
<_<;

And what are you waiting for? NIGHT maybe? So you can KILL PEOPLE!?

OH MY GOD!

[RedCoyote]

Vote: Almaster

Before he shoots someone.

XD

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Vote:Cruelty

for not reading the rules

This is a good point, imo. What do you say to this, cruelty?

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would "not reading the rules" be a scumtell?

[...]

Did... did I catch a live one?

I was just going to say it was an anti-town move, but I absolutely love this post. I think you caught something, for sure.

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I'm gonna

vote: d3x

. No reason.



Don't have much to add at this point, I'm not feeling that well so I'll be in and out the next day or two.

Nothing to say about Zang? Almaster? Spyrex?

Okay, get well soon, cruelty.

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By unvoting RedCoyote, you're unvoting COMMUNISM.

XD

Rest assured, this is not the meaning I'm going for.

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The fact that he continues to not get it suggests to me that his reaction isn't of overly defensive scum, but a sad sack who simply doesn't get it.

I understand this point of view, but I don't agree with it. Maybe if Zang hadn't been in such a frenzy to respond to his critics I could cut him more slack, but what gets at me is how defensive he became. It was not just one post, but consistent clarifications and defensiveness (e.g. "it was meant to be a random vote", "ok, I was confused", "Why [did the lie detector go off]?", "I didn't even know he was talking about random votes", et cetera). This is what I would call a panic.

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Agreed that Zhang is a sad sack. Just meta the poor guy.

I like the division we have here. Already there are two candidates being propped up as acceptable wagons.

Frankly, I don't agree with you, DDD, or Budja on Almaster. Almaster's posts as much more light and fluffy than Zang's. He's like a Three Musketeers.

And who doesn't like them?

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I'll

vote: horrordude0215

, not because I don't want to join the Zang wagon, but because I want more content from horrordude. His vote doesn't sit well with me, and I'd like him to give us a little more analysis.

[Fate]

It is just me and Budja. DDD is seemingly voting Almaster for a joke reason.

What makes Dx3's vote look any better than horror's to you RC?

Horror jumped on a bandwagon, compared to Dx3 not commenting on the Zang situation and just jokevoting?

[RedCoyote]

His post 28 kind of lays the foundation for his vote. Besides, he was the first vote, horror was the third? fourth? I'd have to go back and check.

[Budja]

Ah Fate, DDD is giving reasons. You haven't given your thoughts on Almaster at all.
So..?

Dx3 could hardly comment on a situation which didn't exist. (Sorry RC, I couldn't help it.)

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Almaster's posts as much more light and fluffy than Zang's.

...and scummier too.

Zang

could

be over-defensive scum but could just as easily be over-defensive town. His actions are pretty null to me.

[d3x]

Um... I'm not quite following you, Fate. My Vote came before any actual discussion began. Further, I have reason to leave it there. Also, how have I not commented on the 'Zang situation' since?

He's pandering to someone pressuring him, it doesn't feel like he's voting because he thinks it's the right thing to do (or he would've done it before) but instead because he wants to appease the person voting him.

This is actually how I feel about horror's p47.

[Fate]

Vote: Al GM

for having a lie detector and not sharing... /pout

THIS is who I meant, not DDD. I have no idea why I got the names mixed up (Panther avatars? >_>).

Why is Kthx's vote any better than Horror's, RC?

[HowardRoark]

Vote Count -- D1

Zang (5) -- d3x, Porkens, horrordude0215, SpyreX, AlmasterGM
AlmasterGM (4) -- Fate, Kthxbye, Budja, Debonair Danny DiPietro
d3x (1) -- cruelty
cruelty (1) -- Zang
horrordude0215 (1) -- RedCoyote

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is 02 APR 2010 at 9:15pm UTC. (Countdown)

[Kthxbye]

My vote is NOT any better than anyone else.

I actually have no reason be be on either wagon to be honest.

I have to agree that Zang's 'over-defensiveness" is a null tell at best. I have done similar (and probably will many more times to come) as town.

I don't think any of the reason's for either wagon are good enough for a lynch or my vote for that matter.

Unvote

SpyreX: what was the purpose of your last post? Why did you feel the need to inform us that you were waiting on 'things to happen that you need to happen'? Why did you need to post this filler post?

Dex: Do you feel that when someone gets defensive about an accusation, it's most likely a scum-tell or is there something different about Zang's over-reaction that makes it more scummy than if he were a townie over-reacting. Basically, what about his reaction made it more likely coming from scum over town in your opinion?

Everyone: I think this would be a good time to explain in a new post why you have your vote on whoever it is on ('look at my previous posts as to why' comments aren't going to be constructive at this point imo). I think we fairly clear of the RVS and I think it would be constructive to consolidate in the next post why you are so that everyone else can fully understand your reason AND so you can explore if your reason is good enough.

[AlmasterGM]

Revote: Almaster

Agreed that Zhang is a sad sack. Just meta the poor guy.

God LORD? No need to be redundant Spyrex...

>_>'
<_<;

And what are you waiting for? NIGHT maybe? So you can KILL PEOPLE!?

OH MY GOD!

I like how people are calling me fluffy and unsubstantive when we have these two posts from Fate. They seem significantly more guilty of this crime than me. Budja and RC, why the delay or no response to Fate's posts?

I like Budja's catch that AGM out and out called Zang a liar, but that wasn't good enough reason to vote for him. My suspicion is furthered by how quickly AGM acquiesces to then vote Zang after Budja votes for him.

*shrug* Honestly, it's the week before spring break and I'm a busy person. Changing my vote just didn't enter my mind at the moment. If you want to chalk it up to scumminess, fine, but I don't really see the justification for this. Minimally, my position was very clear, so it's not like I'm trying to hide my advocacy or anything.

Much better.

I'm confused as to how DDD bolding some words in a sentence and re-explaining what was already pretty clear (in my mind, at least) makes this true.

Everyone: I think this would be a good time to explain in a new post why you have your vote on whoever it is on ('look at my previous posts as to why' comments aren't going to be constructive at this point imo). I think we fairly clear of the RVS and I think it would be constructive to consolidate in the next post why you are so that everyone else can fully understand your reason AND so you can explore if your reason is good enough.

I don't believe that Zang did not understand what SpyreX was talking about. I re-read his post multiple times and it is crystal clear. I am of the opinion that he panicked, got defensive, and then calmed down and is trying to cover it up by pretending he didn't get what was being asked.

[horrordude0215]

Unvote

as we are no longer in RVS. I'll see if I can find someone that's suspicious IMO

[SpyreX]

HAHAHAHA

RC took the words right out of my mouth - I actually SEE what Zang was getting at after his last explanation but I left my vote on to guage a few more details.

Especially relating to horrordude.

Who now is saying that was RVS.

Toot toot.

Unvote, Vote: horrordude

[Zang]

Revote: Almaster

Agreed that Zhang is a sad sack. Just meta the poor guy.

you misspell my name and call me a sad sack

I like Budja's catch that AGM out and out called Zang a liar, but that wasn't good enough reason to vote for him.

I do not think this is much of a scum tell but instead a sign of a careful townie.

B) He's pandering to someone pressuring him, it doesn't feel like he's voting because he thinks it's the right thing to do (or he would've done it before) but instead because he wants to appease the person voting him.

I think that this is some heavy speculation

And who doesn't like them?

personnaly, I love three musketeers! They're my favorite candy

I don't think any of the reason's for either wagon are good enough for a lynch or my vote for that matter.

this is exactly how I feel about the Almaster wagon.

[Fate]

Revote: Almaster

Agreed that Zhang is a sad sack. Just meta the poor guy.

you misspell my name and call me a sad sack

Sorry, someone I play with on another site is Zhang. At least I didn't vote for you?

I like how people are calling me fluffy and unsubstantive when we have these two posts from Fate. They seem significantly more guilty of this crime than me. Budja and RC, why the delay or no response to Fate's posts?

I thought RC was all right with fluffy posts? Or he likes candy bars... or something.

My vote on you was pretty much just for a competing wagon, I didn't feel your vote switch was scummy, but I didn't think Zang was scummy either which I said in my revote post.

Unvote as we are no longer in RVS. I'll see if I can find someone that's suspicious IMO

Bwhahhahahaha. Wrong answer! You were voting him because wagons are full of win, I thought? But you didn't stick by that reasoning.

Shame, shame.

Unvote:

Vote: Horrordude