Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[Vi]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Vi

- 1 - Cobalt - (L-11)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Seacore - (L-11)

Seacore

- 5 - Vi, BloodCovenent, Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, elvis_knits - (L-7)

FishytheFish

- 2 - Dramonic, budja - (L-10)

Dramonic

- 1 - devotress - (L-11)

BloodCovenent

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-11)

Players not voting: Vaya, TonyMontana, SerialClergyman, Plum, FishytheFish, Farside22, Faraday, drippinggoofball, Cruciare, chamber, Benmage

Vi is wrong. Assuming random shots, a vig or SK has a 33.33% chance of hitting scum. A mafia-directed kill has only a 21% chance of hitting scum.

The numbers aren't right, but the concept seems accurate, so >.>
Hopefully the Vig is Town and better than random.

[Cobalt]

Numbers are right.
Each mafia team has a pool of (22-3) 19 targets for a kill. There are (3 + 1) 4 scum in that pool, giving a (4/19) 21% chance to hit scum.
Each lone killer has a pool of (22-1) 21 targets for a kill. There are (3+ 3 + 1) 7 scum in that pool, giving a (7/21) 31% chance to hit scum.

[Vi]

Numbers are right.
Each mafia team has a pool of (22-3) 19 targets for a kill. There are (3 + 1) 4 scum in that pool, giving a (4/19) 21% chance to hit scum.
Each lone killer has a pool of (22-1) 21 targets for a kill. There are (3+ 3 + 1) 7 scum in that pool, giving a (7/21) 31% chance to hit scum.

You didn't factor in the lynch today. There will be 21 players at the beginning of N1, and while a Town Vig has seven scum targets (7/20), the SK has six (6/20).

This isn't particularly relevant considering you've basically won me over though.
We can commence lynching Scumcore now.

[Cobalt]

Yeah, I was ignoring the lynch for theoretical purity.
At any rate,

unvote vote seacore

[Seacore]

Seacore 30 wrote:
One, I was encouraging people to speed up the drafting process by explaining why there's no need to wait for the mod before picking.
That's not what I read.
Quote:
although I imagine it won't hurt to just pick, since there's no communication [between players] during this time.

Well there's communication between mod and players... I don't get what your problem is with this?

[SerialClergyman]

Sup guys, good to play with such a sexy player list. Spyrex attracts the best.

I suggest people with a few certain anti-town roles claim. That means the framer and the driver, I think. I think both of those are more likely to hurt town than to protect it.

Thoughts?

[Cobalt]

Agree with SC.

[Budja]

^This, for the framer anyway.

[Seacore]

If the framer claimed and was proven town, that would mean the bulletproof player could claim, be investigated, and then be a safe town voice for all the game, which would be sweet.
I can think of several problems with that happening though, anybody got any ideas on how to make it possible?

[Cobalt]

Nice try, Seacore, but that's totally unreasonable.
1) There is zero reason for a town player to choose the framer role.
2) There is zero reason for a scum player to claim framer.

I think one of your partners picked framer, and you wanted to set up town cred for them.

[SerialClergyman]

I thougth about the bulletproof claiming as well, but the empowerer makes that not a good idea.

It's possible that the empowerer should caim just because they have the power to really screw with any organised plan, but I'm not convinced about that one just yet.

[Budja]

^bad idea.
Bulletproof is much better unknown as is bomb. This just helps scum.

unvote, vote Seacore

(not just for this obv.)

[Seacore]

Yeah, I did completely forget about empowerer beating bulletproof. Damn

[Budja]

Simulpost there.

Seacore's idea = bad.

[Vi]

Well there's communication between mod and players... I don't get what your problem is with this?

Note: Once the order is done you will know your alignment.

However, not until after the draft is finished will you know any partners you may possess.

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I do not support the immediate massclaim, although Budja's vote concerns me considering Seacore just extended what SClergyman was saying.

[Seacore]

Also, I'm so sick of this "I disagree with your idea, therefore you must be scum" bullshit. Go check out my other two games (in which I died) and see how well it worked out for town then.

[Cobalt]

Wow, looks like we caught scum with a D1 randomwagon. Nice.

[Seacore]

Vi, I still don't get what you're saying, and why what I said in the sign up thread is scummy.

[SerialClergyman]

Vi, by massclaim did you mean my suggestion about 1 or 2 roles claiming, or did you mean a mass claim?

[Budja]

@Vi, SC's idea was good (I nearly chose Framer myself to stop scum getting it, or to narrow down the players who did).
Seacore's expansion of the idea was bad.

[Vi]

Seacore, who is scum?

This got lost somewhere.
Seacore, please?

@67: You seemed to make mention of players not being able to contact each other during the draft phase, which was specifically mentioned in the rules as a quirk for the scum.

There is room for misinterpretation there, though. Based on your reactions up to this point, I think my initial look was wrong. So--

Unvote: Seacore
Vote: e_knits

(L-11)
Awkward reasons for joining the wagon were indeed awkward.

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Vi, by massclaim did you mean my suggestion about 1 or 2 roles claiming, or did you mean a mass claim?

Yes. ( =p )
I think it would be more strategically valuable for people to claim when their roles and actions become relevant. Breadcrumbing would be appreciated in the case of sudden death overnight.

[Xylthixlm]

I am happy enough with the Seacore wagon for now. Framer should claim, but nobody else.

[Cobalt]

Nice try, Seacore, but that's totally unreasonable.
1) There is zero reason for a town player to choose the framer role.
2) There is zero reason for a scum player to claim framer.

I think one of your partners picked framer, and you wanted to set up town cred for them.

[Seacore]

I have no idea who is scum at this point, which is why I haven't moved my RVS, although ironically I'm getting a really good townread off SerialClergyman so I should

Unvote

To clear up my draft phase comment, it was me letting people know that there was no possible reason to hold up the game, by trying to answer and potential question.

Vote: Cobalt

Probably the closest to a scum move. I assume somebody on my bandwagon is scum, I don't think it's Vi or SC. Damning me for discussing another person's claim idea (and extensions there on) is not helpful for town, SC's reaction was better "no, I thought of that for a moment too, and its bad because of this"

[Cobalt]

lol, half the game hasn't even posted yet and you assume scum is on your wagon?