Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[SerialClergyman]

Sup guys, good to play with such a sexy player list. Spyrex attracts the best.

I suggest people with a few certain anti-town roles claim. That means the framer and the driver, I think. I think both of those are more likely to hurt town than to protect it.

Thoughts?

[SerialClergyman]

I thougth about the bulletproof claiming as well, but the empowerer makes that not a good idea.

It's possible that the empowerer should caim just because they have the power to really screw with any organised plan, but I'm not convinced about that one just yet.

[SerialClergyman]

Vi, by massclaim did you mean my suggestion about 1 or 2 roles claiming, or did you mean a mass claim?

[SerialClergyman]

I disagree specifically for framer. I see no pro-town reason to keep the framer quiet and no anti-town reason to have them claim (aside from perhaps failing to draw a night kill). I'd also expect them never to use their ability if they were town.

I am impressed with the effort but unimpressed iwth the result of the Seacore case.

although I imagine it won't hurt to just pick, since there's no communication during this time.

However, not until after the draft is finished will you know any partners you may possess.

No communication =/= not knowing who your partners are. It's not similar enough to convict and not different enough to clear, in my (sdmittedly vague) opinion.

[SerialClergyman]

As some of you know, I love a good mass claim, and had considered it.

One advantage is that it's very hard to lie with the system we have set up. If noone was to claim vig, for example, then any VT could point out they had chosen vig and were denied. We could then look at all of the VTs above that person in the draft more closely.

The problem is the standard problem with massclaims, which is that our roles are exposed.

At the moment, espcially with the amount of interference roles like blocker, cop and driver, I think it's not worth it, but it's not the worst idea ever either.

[SerialClergyman]

In English - you're saying that Seacore is likely to be scum because he had specific knowledge that there was no communication between partners.

However, in actual fact he wasn't told who his partners were. Which is significantly different to being told he was not allowed to communicate with them.

To me this suggests that he read the setup info and was just stating a fact, not that he was echoing specific communication given to him by the mod because he is in a scum team.

So I think your point is unlikely to be telling either way.

[SerialClergyman]

As judged by the 3 minute difference between our posts, I wasn't replying to you.

[SerialClergyman]

What's with the prickliness? Are you usually like this when in game?

I'm not attacking you over it, the part where I say I was impressed with the effort means I liked the attempt you made to find scum, I just wasn't convinced. If you mention lightly that there is room for misinterpretation then good on you, I still have a responsibility to go through it more thoroughly if I see somethign more in it that hasn't been thoroughly addressed.

I have no idea if Seacore is scum or town.

[SerialClergyman]

I thought about that as well, but I don't like it. If every VT is exposed, then every power role is by nature as well. The scum would be garuanteed of hitting a PR each kill. It also doesn't hugely benefit us to know which roles are out there.

[SerialClergyman]

If you're usually like this then you're usually like this, Vi - I didn't know if it's standard or not and thought I'd check from the horses' mouth. It's not my style but you know, so it goes.

Seacore has put forward enough content that it's possible to get a read on his alignment, I personally do not have one.

I dislike Devotress's vote though, and will put my money where my mouth is. I've had a theory for a while that the first person to accuse someone of role fishing is scum. This has been built up over a few games of getting accused of fishing or watchign other townies getting accused of fishing, and it almost always is one of those things that scum feel so unapproachably correct in doing that they jump at the chance.

Vote devotress

[SerialClergyman]

Vi - what's with posting an interesting case on Budja and then not voting him, despite ripping on the other flourishing wagon?

I'm picking up what you're putting down.

vote Budja

I suspect Xyl is in IRC mode.

[SerialClergyman]

I prefer to think of it as "town mode".

I'm thinking that as well, but there's a difference between long winded reasoning Xyl and quote'n'vote 70 character posts Xyl.

[SerialClergyman]

It wasn't really obvious at first.

I'm suspicious of Budja. After all, you did put a good case against him.

Vote: Budja

ugh.

[SerialClergyman]

Now I'm leaning DGB-scum from the OMGUS in #470. I don't see the case on dramonic at all.

When you posted this, did you mean you didn't see the case on Dramonic or that you didn't see DGB posting a case?

[SerialClergyman]

Note that at its largest the dramonic wagon was Devotress, Budja, Coug, and Goofball.

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[SerialClergyman]

Now I'm leaning DGB-scum from the OMGUS in #470. I don't see the case on dramonic at all.

When you posted this, did you mean you didn't see the case on Dramonic or that you didn't see DGB posting a case?

Xyl - allow time for TRAP SPRUING please...

[SerialClergyman]

So you did see 'the case on dramonic' but not 'DGB's case on dramonic'?

[SerialClergyman]

Hey kids

Unless I'm an idiot, (likely), Bulletproof can claim now that empowerer is out of the picture.

*waits*

[SerialClergyman]

Might need a bit more explanation for that one, tiger.

[SerialClergyman]

To see whether Devotress is that person,
to expose the player slot who has that condition so we know they are in no danger of cross kills or vigging and adjust our play accordingly,
to end speculation about bulletproof being a reason for future NK issues.

[SerialClergyman]

I think knowing someone is bulletproof is important in how you interact with them. They are much more dangerous as scum because the only way they will be able to be killed is via a lynch. This is important information. It is also a slightly odd choice for town.

But aside from any of that, I'm a claiming man, as DGB should know from CKD's game. And the only reason not to claim is that a kill faction might target them unclaimed, which is meh.

As for devotress, I've been down with her lynch for yonks.

vote devotress

[SerialClergyman]

I don't think you're scum.

There are two night kills a day. The majority of players in this game iwll be killed via night kill, probably even the majority of scum. A player who is invulnerable to that needs to have a special eye kept on them, in my opinion.

Meta, someone confirm.

Love your endeavour . It shouldn't be hard. Completed game here where I pushed hard for a massclaim before anyone else, or here for an ongoing game with a lot of roles in which I'm screaming for claims all day.

In my opinion, the possibility of one failed NK (which incidentally means there's no chance of a crosskill) does not make up for the bulletproof player not being known to the town.

[SerialClergyman]

DGB is likely to be town. Random 'lets fire up and lynch her' comments are greatly disturbing.

[SerialClergyman]

*is greatly disturbed*

[SerialClergyman]

I dislike Devotress's vote though, and will put my money where my mouth is. I've had a theory for a while that the first person to accuse someone of role fishing is scum. This has been built up over a few games of getting accused of fishing or watchign other townies getting accused of fishing, and it almost always is one of those things that scum feel so unapproachably correct in doing that they jump at the chance.

This is now official.

Tony Montana is almost certainly not Mafia A.

Cobalt, why vote Xyl given he was at the very least pushing a scum member hard?

[SerialClergyman]

elvis and devotress weren't scum together, of course. Do you think Tony is likely to be scum?

[SerialClergyman]

There's something way too easy about that claim. I see no reason not to trust it though, I'm in after Xyl gets his say.

DGB, some of your conclusions come from a scary place. You've got me in the likliest category for blue scum despite starting the wagon on devotress both days and riding it through to a lynch on D2. I wasn't on the SCoug lynch or the elvis wagon. If you'd come out and said likely to be red scum then I'd shrug and say yeah, look, that's just how it happened. But likely to be blue scum after fingering one of their members and being the first to vote them both days, never waivering on the second day when they're lynched? Zzzz.

[SerialClergyman]

Fair enough. I'm suggesting that perhaps it needs a little refinement

[SerialClergyman]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

BloodCovenent

- 1 - chamber - (L-8)

budja

- 1 - BloodCovenent - (L-8)

drippinggoofball

- 2 - Xylthixlm, Farside22 - (L-7)

Xylthixlm

- 7 - Cobalt, Seacore, Benmage, FishytheFish, Faraday, drippinggoofball, TonyMontana - (L-2)

Players not voting: budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, SerialClergyman, Vaya

BC, that's rubbish. Even if she conceded bad analysis, that doesn't then equal scum, and not having herself on her own wagon analysis is as far from a scumtell as possible. That's a terribad FOS, imo.

[SerialClergyman]

Rarely have I seen a game go so quickly with so much good content and successful scumhunting. It helped that even the scum were helping us find the other scum.

I coasted a bit in this game, but was happy with the few reads I made - not one wrong. I don't think I ever voted non-town and was on a couple of scum wagons.

But to me I think it was just a powerful town. Quite a lot of people played well and deserve praise but to be honest, there were so few weak links mentioning names seems to me to cheapen it somehow. I'm just glad I could be a part of a game like this, it was fantastic.

Thanks for modding Spyrex, the sexy ones always get the goodp layer lists

[SerialClergyman]

EBWOP: I don't think I ever voted

non

-town and was on a couple of scum wagons.