Open 185 v2.0: JK9 (Game Over)

[Qooq]

Then, in post 30, he put a vote on Ginz that from my perspective served no purpose other than to stir up discussion.

Is that not good enough reason?

In the context of your other votes, I don't believe so. I think it is dangerous to vote in so many different ways. It makes you hard to read, and making yourself hard to read is anti-town and a scum tell.

[Qooq]

Vote: CSL

Self-incrimination is anti-town. I think it’s clear at this point with so much suspicion against you that your explanation for your vote on kyle99 might as well be your lifeline. If you are unwilling to defend yourself then it is obvious that you don’t value your stake in the game. Sending yourself to the gallows doesn’t help the town and that is why you earn my vote.

[Qooq]

That puts CSL on L-1, by the way. Also, I want to correct a typo in post 72.

We are nearing a lynch and putting someone close to L-1 because you want to hear an explanation is not simply not warranted to me.

Should read "is simply not warranted to me".

[GinzkeyPlatz]

CSL, even if your kyle vote wasn't justified we'd still like to know what your thought process was when you voted him. Elaborate as much as you can so we can discuss it.

And I am not ready to hear a roleclaim or to have someone hammer him. A hammer now would be very anti-town.

I'm gonna

vote:CSL

and see what he does to defend himself, because he's certainly acting scummy right now.

Scummy how?

And where is tajo? He's asked some questions to spur discussion, but I don't feel like he's given opinions.

[CSL]

We are nearing a lynch and putting someone close to L-1 because you want to hear an explanation is simply not warranted to me.

Vote: CSL

Excuse me, but did you contradict yourself?

FoS: Qooq

My thought process was I thought we were still in the RVS.

[Qooq]

We are nearing a lynch and putting someone close to L-1 because you want to hear an explanation is simply not warranted to me.

Vote: CSL

Excuse me, but did you contradict yourself?

FoS: Qooq

My thought process was I thought we were still in the RVS.

I put a finger of suspicion on you to impel you for an explanation. When you failed to give a sufficient one, I then put my vote on you. Where I criticized kyle99 for voting, I FoS’d. Also, still in RVS? That makes even less sense to me and doesn’t provide any reasonable justification. You were against quick lynches in the RVS and then voted (when discussion was well underway) for a grammar mistake. This type of inconsistent plays hurts the town.

Ginz, if you believe a hammer now would be anti-town, why are you hesitant to remove your vote and take CSL off L-1? Is there something that makes you feel CSL is not scum? I was at first hesitant to place my vote on CSL also. At this moment, based on the information we have so far, I feel my vote is right. However, if you feel like you have any information that speaks otherwise I would be all ears. It does make me nervous that CSL is on L-1 with a few lurkers still in the game, but nothing CSL has said has proven my original suspicion incorrect.

[CSL]

You want me to claim?

[Trumpet of Doom]

Vote Count 1.3

CSL (4 == L-1) - mykonian, GinzkeyPlatz, kyle99, Qooq

GinzkeyPlatz (1 == L-4) - drowmage
Qooq (1 == L-4) - joe478

Not Voting (3): Chaco, populartajo, CSL

5 votes are required to lynch, 3 at deadline.
If deadline were to hit right now, CSL would be lynched.
CSL is at Lynch-1.

Current (negotiable) Deadline: Thursday, December 17, 2009, ~10:00 PM CST (GMT-6)

[populartajo]

Sup people, I already said I was going to be busy at least for a month and will only post at nights.

Something that caught my attention:

Nope, I'm saying I voted for you because I wanted to vote for someone to even it up at 2-2, and it was either you or CSL, and I just voted randomly.

kyle, why did you think it was important to even up the vote count?

I hate slow games.

I really hate them.

That was just to get discussion going

But it didn't.

Unvote

As town, do you always do things to get discussion going? Is this the first time?

I dont like kyle's justification for voting csl. You are putting someone at l-1 while at the same time asking for an explanation. The vote stinks.

I really like the way qooq posts. You arent new to the game, are you?

Ginzkey is also good.

Excuse me, but did you contradict yourself?

FoS: Qooq

this fos is also dumb.

Im up for csl claiming. I totally plan to vote him unless he gives me a good reason not to.

[CSL]

I'm the jailer.

[populartajo]

You mean jailkeeper right?

[CSL]

Yeah, that.

[populartajo]

Ok, guyz, lets play this game called "I counterclaim".

If you are the jailkeeper, please counterclaim. A 1 jailkeeper-1 scumbag trade is an excellent trade.

If nobody counterclaims, then csl becomes confirmed town. And we decide a better lynch. Scum decide in the night if they want to keep him alive or not.

And we are all happy.

I dont counterclaim.

[Qooq]

Going to go ahead and

Unvote

before someone gets trigger happy.

Obviously that type of claim requires a bit more consideration. Would love to hear from the people who haven't posted much before moving forward.

[populartajo]

psst, qooq, you are not playing the game...

[GinzkeyPlatz]

I am the Jailkeeper.

I won't use my action tonight because I think the tracker has better odds to pick my killer whereas I could accidentally block the tracker. So on with the lynch!

[CSL]

FoS; Ginzkey

If you are indeed the JK, which you are not, why didn't you claim during your last post?

[populartajo]

FoS; Ginzkey

If you are indeed the JK, which you are not, why didn't you claim during your last post?

wtf, dude. She did claim during her last post...

Totally believing more Ginzkey than CSL. Who the hell foses someone that just counterclaimed? So my vote is going for him.

But...

I really want input from EVERYONE before we proceed with this lynch. The day has been short and I really want to hear people's thoughts on the last 4 pages.

[joe478]

Well isn't it obvious that we should lynch CSL, if he is telling the truth Ginzkey will go tomorrow, if this is the case scum will get 2 NK's but there will still be 4 town left to hunt for the other scum. If Ginzkey is telling the truth (more likely IMO) then we have 1 scum down with 6 town left to find the other scum (if scum successfully NK).

Unvote Quuq
Vote CSL

[joe478]

EBWOP:

Unvote Qooq
Vote CSL

Sorry for the mistake

[Qooq]

Hmm, an interesting twist to say the least. I’m not sure that the counterclaim was a good decision, though. I wish I had gotten in a post before Ginz claimed Jailkeeper. We had plenty to work with and had plenty of time. Alas, safe to say I will be highly interested in what happens tonight and will be closely watching tajo as the day begins tomorrow.

Vote: CSL

As it is too late to debate the consequences of a counterclaim, this vote is pretty easy. CSL has been suspicious to me the entire game and joe’s logic in post 93 is sound to me. Twilight time.

[populartajo]

Hmm, an interesting twist to say the least. I’m not sure that the counterclaim was a good decision, though. I wish I had gotten in a post before Ginz claimed Jailkeeper. We had plenty to work with and had plenty of time. Alas, safe to say I will be highly interested in what happens tonight and will be closely watching tajo as the day begins tomorrow.

Vote: CSL

As it is too late to debate the consequences of a counterclaim, this vote is pretty easy. CSL has been suspicious to me the entire game and joe’s logic in post 93 is sound to me. Twilight time.

meh, I definitely wanted more input from the rest of the players...

why do you want to watch me closely?

Looking for counterclaims was the optymal play.

[Qooq]

I’m not sure that it was. As I said, we had plenty to talk about and had plenty of time. Counterclaiming is either going to work great or backfire horribly. Only time will tell, and, as the saying goes, hindsight is 20/20. It is also a bit strange that you called for a counterclaim (regardless of how you look at it, optimal or not) a really radical strategy, and then asked people to back off and talk about it. Can you argue with joe’s logic or think of a reason not to lynch CSL? I don't mean to be hostile; there are no votes or FoS’s here, all I said was that I would treat your posts with more care.

[populartajo]

If nobody had counterclaimed csl, do you think he would have been lyched?

I totally agree with joe's reasoning in 93. Its basically an application of my theoretical example in 87.

Finally, I asked people not to back off. I wanted to have everyone commenting on this situation to get better reads. I dont feel confortable with going to night in page 4, even if we have found one scum.

[joe478]

I am the Jailkeeper.

I won't use my action tonight because I think the tracker has better odds to pick my killer whereas I could accidentally block the tracker. So on with the lynch!

Use your action on me tonight.