Mini 881 - Moviestar Madness - Game Over

[MordyS]

BTW, what was bizarre about those two quotes was that in a Mafia game, where ideally people are coming out and causing trouble to try and shake scum loose, everyone came out defending each other as Town with very minimal posts to look at. Dragons did it on DG and then DG did it on Psychologic. I'm glad there's a bandwagon on me -- it's better for people to be attacking one another then buddying up.

[DrippingGoofball]

I believe in a two pronged approach:

(1) squeezing the scum by narrowing down the number of swimmers in the pond.
(2) being relentless on scummy players.

Sometimes a game starts out with obvscum, sometimes wiht obvtown, sometimes with a combo. It is what it is.

[MordyS]

I don't disagree with the approach, I just disagree with your method of listing who is town and who is scum without any argument attached. I still don't know what you found scummy about:

I'm going to have to resist the urge to quote movies so that people don't think I'm breadcrumbing. This will be hard.

And despite milkshake (I believe?) asking you to explain, you still haven't. Until I pushed on it, you wouldn't explain why you /knew/ Psychologic was Town, and I haven't seen a case from you against me yet either. It's nice that you like to shoot from your hip, but I don't think that helps anyone.

[DrippingGoofball]

What he's really saying is this:

(1) I am not breadcrumbing like the rest of you.
(2) The 'reason' is because I am resisting the urge to do so.

Interpretation:

(3) I am afraid to breadcrumb because I don't have enough information yet to manufacture a fake claim.
(4) If I don't appear to breadcrumb like everyone else, it will look suspicious.
(5) I'd better come up with an excuse for not breadcrumbing real quick!

So, cateraction is scum #1.

[MordyS]

Was that what your random comments were? Breadcrumbing? Something about adoption and babies? What I thought he was saying was, I don't want to quote flicks and people accidently think I'm breadcrumbing. Btw: My character isn't Gloria Swanson and my role for today isn't Sunset Blvd. I just said "I'm Ready for my Close-Up" cause it's a movie-flavored game and I thought it'd be fun. I imagine cateraction had a similar thing on his mind.

(And I'm glad you explained yourself so I can call your argument out for being inane.)

[DrippingGoofball]

I NEVER, EVER, breadcrumb. NEVER. Except in two very particular situations that are not germane to this game.

Adopting babies is so much more fashionable than ugly stretchmarks - I would make an exception for CKD. Who wouldn't?

I take offense at your declaration that my argument is inane. It's clear that cateraction panicked at what he perceived to be voluntary, unprovoked breadcruming by a bunch of players. My argument still stands.

Oh, and BTW, I don't have to explain

everything

.

[Iecerint]

by the end of what?

The game.

I like DGB's case on cat.

Unvote; Vote: cateraction.

[ortolan]

Vote: ortolan

; for thinking his/her lack of vote would go unnoticed.

I didn't think my lack of vote would go unnoticed, I just kind of didn't notice/forgot to vote in RVS/didn't care. I'm actually coming around to trying to eliminate RVSs, if only because it makes the game more interesting that way. I think there may be other game(s) recently where I haven't voted in RVS, but don't hold me to it.

DragonsofSummer is still the scummiest player in this game

Vote: DragonsofSummer

I don't particularly like the MordyS wagon, that said I'm not 100% sure about him

milkshake felt town, chiefly for 50 but some later posts had me not as sure

I'm totally on the fence about DGB

I was gonna say Iecerint was second to DragonsofSummer for scumminess but actually, looking at 18 then looking at 81 is enough for a vote.

The phrasing of 18 was one line for a serious vote, and I dislike the phrasing and justification. Subsequently he never again mentions this apparently serious vote. Now he's voting cateraction for DGB's "case" on cat even though it wasn't a case but merely an explication of her apparent scum read on him based on one comment. It also isn't a valid scumtell for me (I don't necessarily think DGB's scummy for putting it forward, but I don't think it's a valid scumtell in reality). Thus Iecerint's vote on cateraction doesn't seem to show understanding of the context of what DGB was saying, and is furthermore unmerited and opportunistic. I'm also aware there's a good possibility he can't be scum with DoS because of page one:

DoS votes Mordy > Mordy votes DoS > Iecering votes DoS

Thus

Unvote
Vote: Iecerint

[Iecerint]

The comment about breadcrumbing on page 1 didn't make much sense to me at the time; however, it makes perfect sense in light of DGB's contextualization. I think that level of evidence trumps DoS's largely RVS vote for Mordy.

[ortolan]

have a look at how many people explicitly breadcrumbed before he posted. I count one (myself). So that throws DGB's third point in 78 out the window (and that was the sole premise of the attack).

[Iecerint]

There're some other odd pre-game and RVS comments that could be construed as breadcrumbs, even if they weren't as explicit as yours. You may be right that there are fewer than DGB implied, but I still prefer my current vote to my prior.

[TonyMontana]

I'm currently voting for DragonsofSummer, I think?

fixed

[ortolan]

There're some other odd pre-game and RVS comments that could be construed as breadcrumbs, even if they weren't as explicit as yours. You may be right that there are fewer than DGB implied, but I still prefer my current vote to my prior.

I also still prefer my current vote to my prior

[DrippingGoofball]

I have a pro-town read on Mordy for reasons that shall remain obscure for now, because I was to apply the same criteria on players that haven't posted much, and I don't want them to WIFOM me into being wrong.

[DrippingGoofball]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
curiouskarmadog
milkshake
Psychologic
MordyS

DODGY

DragonsofSummer
Iecerint
ortolan
populartajo

SCUM

cateraction
jasonT1981 - lurkerscum in fact
Vaya - also lurkerscum

[ortolan]

why are myself and Iecering adjacent to one another despite me just now laying a vote down on him

And why is tajo even dodgier than both of us despite him declaring you virtually obv-town?

I think I have to upgrade you to a scum-read, DGB.

[curiouskarmadog]

by the end of what?

The game.

I like DGB's case on cat.

Unvote; Vote: cateraction.

how do you know when she is going to leave it?

why are myself and Iecering adjacent to one another despite me just now laying a vote down on him

funny funny, I read your vote on him and immediately thought "distancing"....funny my dear thought so as well.......

Ort, you never been in a game where scum distanced..come come...surely you are not using that as a defense?

[DrippingGoofball]

why are myself and Iecering adjacent to one another despite me just now laying a vote down on him

And why is tajo even dodgier than both of us despite him declaring you virtually obv-town?

I think I have to upgrade you to a scum-read, DGB.

Whoa. Within each category, the names aren't ordered. It's too early for that much definition, even for me.

And I used the word "dodgy" to indicate that I have no read on these players yet. So the ordering of players on which I have no read is especially insignificant.

[ortolan]

funny funny, I read your vote on him and immediately thought "distancing"....funny my dear thought so as well.......

Well, all I can say is that's...interesting, as he is metaphysically incapable of being my scumbuddy, as I am what we in the business can a town-aligned player.

Ort, you never been in a game where scum distanced

Of course I have. See Notre Dame Mafia in this same forum, for a prime example, where Kast laid down the second vote for Budja, his scumbuddy, on a successful day one wagon (Notre Dame mafia, modded by petroleumjelly, DGB was in it also). In fact I wasn't intending to use this as a "defence" at all, I am not a player concerned with defence but rather offence. It was my basis for attacking DGB.

DGB's 92 just further condemns her to the "I really, really can't read you" category.

[DrippingGoofball]

And why is tajo even dodgier than both of us despite him declaring you virtually obv-town?

You assume that I consider players that declare me obv-town, town. Er, sometimes, scum declares me to be obvtown. I'm not

that

easily manipulated.

My reads on tajo lean town too much, and my reads on you (ortolan) and DoS lean scum too much as well. I take that into consideration, and I need more time to evaluate. That puts you all in the "dodgy" category.

[ortolan]

wow....I wish you'd give me something to work with, you are screaming null-tell to me so much right now it's ridiculous. I do verily agree that you read me as scum too much (and vice versa) however.

[ortolan]

if it gives you any comfort, that's probably because I thought you were really obv-town in Election Mafia but you turned out to be scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

OK My other question to those saying Person X is town so early into a game...

Do you know this as fact, or is this your hunch based upon this game so far?

Why do you need to know this so early in the game?

[jasonT1981]

SCUM

jasonT1981 - lurkerscum in fact

Wait, what? the game only started yesterday afternoon my time, and Fridays I always go out for the night so will not be about. I have not been lurking, I have posted every time I have been on the boards.

It's the weekend, and the game only started. Not everyone is about during the weekends I do not spend every minute at the computer.. infact, you will hardly find me at one Friday Afternoon - Sunday afternoon. This will apply to every weekend.

At weekends my time is limited online.. I really think you are reaching considering the game only started yesterday.

my first post yesterday was when I got onto the computer and got the message the game was open along with my movie roll... that was at 2.34pm . I then went out, and when I came home posted again a few times between 3am and 4am... I am now here posting again at 2.49pm local time...

I have not been away for more than 12 hours at a time.. please tell me how that is scum lurking?

[milkshake]

A bit touchy are we?