The Sixth Annual Scummie Awards (Now With Extra Nonsense!)

[OhGodMyLife]

No more pictures at meetups.

[undo]

My Illustrated Mafia didn't win. I'm sad

Well, congratulations to destructor and to every winner. And to the ceremony writers.

[Glork]

The PARAGON award, AKA the "let's not give this to Glork again, meh this guy did well enough" award.

Can we please call it that next year?

[PokerFace]

Meh, you are a good player, glork, but its not like you are the best thing since sliced bread. Everybody has bad and good days. In my experience with you and the games of yours I've read I don't think you deserve all the hype and thanks and talk people give you. Nobody even myself, I think deserves that kind of praise. People are going over board with it or they just don't think highly enough of themselves that they can do just as well in the right situations.

Everybody has their strengths and weeknesses. Perhaps trying hard without thought of reward or victory but satisfaction of your own play is what we should all be really striving for. MS is suppose to be the premeare (sp?) or top mafia site on the net, or at least that's what I have read wikipedia call it. I feel a little like Adel saying this because of her personality, but I'm begining to wonder if trying to hold ourselves to high standards of improving our games is truly the best way to improve all play. So many people replace in and out of games they can't handle vs their real life time or own expectations when they want to avoid effort more than not be able to supply effort they thought they had. Speed up your efforts and the games to get them done and over with then sign up for new ones with same effort.

People can lurk all the way to victory again and again because they can hide with all those that don't give effort. And how is that fun? Only time I see lurkers in trouble is when everyone else is giving enough effort to show they are town so process of elimination leads us to those that never look town or can't be read, leads us too the lurkers. And if everyone gives effort and there is no lurk you get fun and generally good games. Maybe its just me, but its like there is a general decline of skils vs expectations of others. And that can sometimes be frustrating. You can't have someone always do the work for you. Go out there and strive to do well yourself. If you want it done right you should truly do it yourself the best you can. And if someone gives you an award or praises you that means you should keep doing things that well, it means you are doing things right now. It doesn't mean you can just sit back and live with what you got. That's right I'm telling you to always try more. Try to surpass yourself in everything you do!

If I ever get one of these things I think the only speech I'd give would be:
Cool, thanx. I'll see you later.

[Adel]

My Illustrated Mafia didn't win. I'm sad

I liked the flavor of your Illustrated Mafia better than any other game I've played in. It sets the standard as far as I'm concerned.

[Shanba]

We should call it the jeep award. He once got accused of cheating, he was so good.

(I found that in my trawl through the archives to unearth the history of newbie games)

[Mr. Flay]

I wish I understood what PF was trying to say there. He seems to be arguing against Glork, Pooky, long games, and Replacements, all at the same time.

[undo]

My Illustrated Mafia didn't win. I'm sad

I liked the flavor of your Illustrated Mafia better than any other game I've played in. It sets the standard as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you Adel. It's good to know that

[Shanba]

My Illustrated Mafia didn't win. I'm sad :(

I liked the flavor of your Illustrated Mafia better than any other game I've played in. It sets the standard as far as I'm concerned.

Thank you Adel. It's good to know that :)

I thought you were certain to win, tbh.

[PokerFace]

Huh not sure how I mentioned pooky. Glork is good and that wasn't about the actions of one individual. I went from Glork to the point that we should all be striving for our own improvement and not for praise and awards. Where's the satisfaction of a job well done? You get that from yourself not others. I just think effort is lacking in some directions in general with alot of people even me. Guess I'm just underwhelmed or not feeling challenged since I ain't played in games in awhile and it feels like others aren't even trying to play when I'm reading games while bored.

The best way to improve yourself, make better and fun games, lower replacements, stop lurking, or do whatever it is you want, would be if everyone strived harder themselves and that effort is lacking in alot of places.

[Shanba]

Huh not sure how I mentioned pooky. Glork is good and that wasn't about the actions of one individual. I went from Glork to the point that we should all be striving for our own improvement and not for praise and awards. Where's the satisfaction of a job well done? You get that from yourself not others. I just think effort is lacking in some directions in general with alot of people even me. Guess I'm just underwhelmed or not feeling challenged since I ain't played in games in awhile and it feels like others aren't even trying to play when I'm reading games while bored.

The best way to improve yourself, make better and fun games, lower replacements, stop lurking, or do whatever it is you want, would be if everyone strived harder themselves and that effort is lacking in alot of places.

For me, recognition is important. I want everyone to know I am a good mafia player. If I were the greatest pianist who ever lived but everyone said I was rubbish, or just ignored me, I wouldn't bother playing piano.

Similarly, though I get a certain amount of satisfaction out of just playing well, I get more satisfaction from actually winning. I get a certain amount of satisfaction out of winning, and more satisfaction out of winning because I played well. I get more satisfaction when that is acknowledged. If I won a scummy, I would be pleased, because it would show that people think I am not just a good player, but the best in whatever category it was I won, and that would give satisfaction. I accept you have a different psychology about this, but the scummy awards serve a purpose.

[PokerFace]

I never said they don't serve a purpose. We are suppose to be players at a really good mafia site and its like... wait we are a really good mafia site? I'm just recently noticing or getting a feeling of things not meeting their own expectations or not showing general expected effort in some scenario's. Hell we are having alot of talk and site ideas threads about replacement problems and recently queue issues. It feels like we are moving down stressing the problems and not moving with effort to fix ourselves and other things. Guess I'm bored and not challenged as I'm busy with a bunch of things and not in any games able to improve things.

I realize what I said originally was a little confusing but I think what I said there was best and most honest first impulse of this underwhelmed experience I'm getting from some things. Players, games, queue, sideline aspects, myself included. I feeling like some things are getting a free pass with less effort for bad reasons. In general the end message I want to give is everybody should just keep playing and play better. It is the players that make this site. The award doesn't matter. So what if you win or loose or are not getting payed enough. Play more and strive more here or elsewhere. Challenge yourselves. Surpass satisfactions and expectations

[Adel]

get involved.

[Kinetic]

I think what he's saying is that lurkers, or at least the lurker play style, ruin games. This is the style players like MafiaSSK and Empking have developed. While technically it could win games, it is a strategy brought about that is counter-intuitive to what MafiaScum is meant to stand for.

And while I'd love to discuss it, perhaps these comments can be split off into a thread of their own?

[PokerFace]

ironically I actually kind like the simplicity of empking or killa seven's play as of late. I have actually developed good ways of reading them when looking at some of their games. Ain't really got a good enough opinion of SSK's play though I have heard he's getting better.

What I said started out with direction towards certain people or classes but i want the message to reach and touch all since it can apply to everyone in some ways. We just need to recognize our own faults and strive to surpass adversity.

And if you think enough said here can be made into its own thread without effecting comments caught with the scummy and that it should be in its own thread then knock yourselves out I guess.

[Shanba]

ironically I actually kind like the simplicity of empking or killa seven's play as of late. I have actually developed good ways of reading them when looking at some of their games. Ain't really got a good enough opinion of SSK's play though I have heard he's getting better.

What I said started out with direction towards certain people or classes but i want the message to reach and touch all since it can apply to everyone in some ways. We just need to recognize our own faults and strive to surpass adversity.

And if you think enough said here can be made into its own thread without effecting comments caught with the scummy and that it should be in its own thread then knock yourselves out I guess.

Maybe you ought to explore BabyJesus or Fritzler's play, then?

[PokerFace]

If Baby Jesus still played, sure. I need to play with glork, fritz, ssk, and probably a dozen others more and see things generally reach potentials. Wish I wasn't busy and confined to certain times I could do certain things with this real life junk so I could help and not recognize an issue from the sidelines. Even joining certain games happens for only certain times. Guess I'll just have to do it after april if there is still a need then and I still want to vs what's going on in real life then.

[Claus]

Thanks for the award, folks. Even I didn't believe they bought my claim as they did, and after that I was playing at the edge of my seat to keep the facade to the end That was an inspired game.

Congratulations to everyone else.

[Glork]

Meh, you are a good player, glork, but its not like you are the best thing since sliced bread. Everybody has bad and good days. In my experience with you and the games of yours I've read I don't think you deserve all the hype and thanks and talk people give you. Nobody even myself, I think deserves that kind of praise. People are going over board with it or they just don't think highly enough of themselves that they can do just as well in the right situations.

Who ripped out your sense of humor while I was gone? I was joking.

[elvis_knits]

ITT PF is bitter.

Or a biter?

[PokerFace]

Meh, felt more so egotistical than joking but yay i do see how that could be funny now, glork

And only thing I'm bitter about is not having time to help with the message I was getting at. And I still feel the general message I was trying to get across to all players was very important.

[farside22]

I don't know why PF is upset. I had 4 or 5 noms and didn't win anything.

[PokerFace]

Huh? why do you think I'm upset about not winning?

[farside22]

Huh? why do you think I'm upset about not winning?

Seems like a combination of that and people's comment about Kinetic's win.

[populartajo]

I think you should be upset, PF!!!!!!! Burn their houses, rape their alpacas!!!
Nah, Im sure next year youll get an award. Look at your title, come on.
And farside we won!!!! Woot!!!!