Time for my thoughts on MS vs BeardedCat.
I like MS' train of thought in his
628, it echoes a lot of the thoughts I had running through my head on seeing that Scorp/BC interaction. I've been reading BC as town for playstyle and similarities in thought, but because of that, I have had paranoid suspicions about them. I know if I was scum in this game (spoiler alert: I'm town), with the amount of noise and easy targets, I would also be happily doing everything BC/myself is doing right now. And I would not drop the opportunity to direct the flow of the game with a post like the one to Scorpious at that point in time - though I would probably do a more shallow play like push a mislynch on someone else. Trusting MS' assertion and BC's own admissions as well I believe that BC especially Plot is an incredible scum player, I find myself getting more uneasy with the slot. Feeling better however about MS' slot and his push on BC.
The back and forth after that about BBT's inactivity (the reason for BC's serious vote onto MS) seems a bit of an overreaction from BC - before that, from my quick skim through, BC seems to have been half townreading MS (BBT head) while Plot head was undecided but willing to give MS space. Moreover, my impression of MS' ISO before that has been direct and somewhat inflammatory posts like that. Was that really enough of a point to vote MS seriously? (I take the listing L-6 after him when you haven't done so previously for any votes as an indicator of seriousness.) And from my reading of how CoTW and you treat him, MS is supposedly a good player with depth of thought that is not shown in his trollish demeanor. Am I to believe that you seriously believe that a player that you think is as good as MS would do a weakscum play like trying to accuse someone of posting elsewhere while not posting here? And a hydra, no less.
Now, on to BC's big reply to MS in
645. I do like how BC didn't just focus on the weakest point in the argument, MS' assertion that it was done as a grab for towncred, but addressed and tried to refute each point. I'm quite okay with most of the post and it reads generally null to me - it's well-argued and reasoned, but I could see it as a response from both TownBC and ScumBC as MS' post was surprisingly well articulated and reasoned, and had a very measured tone (perhaps a peek into his inner world?). One of the things that stands out from that post is this though:
In post 645, BeardedCat wrote:
- I'm scum and scorpious is scum too. If this were the case I would totally have just bussed him and be done with it. Even if he was the only power role/best power role on the scumteam, perhaps especially then because I'd be hoping someone would write me off as town for driving a lynch on my roleblocker/rolecop/strongman/godfather/whatever. As scum, I try to do several "why the fuck would scumPlot do that" things per game. Your response to one of those things is now in my signature on my main!
Self meta and what you would have done in the situation is pretty much null to me - nobody knows you well enough to dispute that. The last line though? That points out what the entire paragraph is - a huge chunk of WIFOM. After all, scumPlot tries to do unexpected and inexplicable things - so if he does the obvscum thing like coaching, that would point to not scumPlot right? Except. scumPlot tries to do unexpected and inexplicable things - maybe this time doing the obvscum is unexpected. It's circular reasoning and doesn't really explain anything except that we need to take your word that you would bus him as scum. Not buying it.
So anyway, I'm mostly fine with the rest of the post. It piques my curiosity though - so what are you seeing so far from Scorp's reactions, BCPlot? Also, if MS' post feels good to me because it echoes my thoughts and a bit of playing style, shouldn't you feel that resonance too? Is it because it's directed at you that you're not reaching out to him anymore but instead scumreading him?
And I want Scorp to address this:
how do you feel about BC now after what was done? And do you agree with BC's assertion that you would be scumreading BC because of the newbie that you were both in?
The rest of the fight doesn't really stand out much to me, except for one more point: BBT's pushing of MS' comment that CoTW's posting was good questioning (that's quite a clunky string of possessives but I'm lazy to make it sleeker.) I'm honestly puzzled as to why this would be a thing to point out at all. To me, it seems obvious that MS is saying that CoTW's question is pro-town/useful to town (and that reactions to it will probably help to glean alignments etc.), but not that it's townie or a towntell or whatever. Protown vs townie and anti-town vs scummy, yeah? Like how posting noise and nonsense on Day 1 could be anti-town but not necessarily scummy. I'm again a bit skeptical at the push on this - I feel that BC hydra should really know better. Thoughts on this?
In general, I feel uneasy about BC in this fight with MS - I keep feeling twinges of "BC should really know better."
I'm also quite interested in how most of the thread has not commented much on this except dwlee - to which I will ask why do you feel it's TvT?
In the meantime, I'm interested to see what will happen when I do this.
UNVOTE: Scorpius
VOTE: BeardedCat