Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

well I never really believed Xis's claim to begin with cause of him copping Jal. so I really think it's xis & 1 other but mhork is still a possibility.

The only way last nights actions make sense is if there was some sort of scum re-director or bus driver. that drove me and somebody else. But if they were doing that why kill guile?

since that doesn't seem plausible to me, that leaves xis is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's optimal play if you don't know who scum is.

[Jake from State Farm]

K so, Jake, is the copping Jal thing what makes you think Xis is scum? Is there anything else?

the whole thing about him getting a result on safety when nobody visited safety is pretty damning

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't beleive xis received the card last night, that means mehndi had it and he paid attention to this game more than others. I'm not buying the excuse that he forgot he had it.

Idk why anyone would keep that info secret except for possibly setting the people who had the purples.

As for the result on safety, he's obvious putting it in a 1 v 1 scenario and if you recall he tries to argue I was roleblocked which I say I wasn't. Why would he lie about the result? Idk but he's not pushing my lynch even though the evidence suggests its him or me. He'd rather NL and save his ass.

Also if cheery wasn't watched, why on earth would scum leave him alive?
IMO it's xis/cheery as scum. Cheery's vote on mhork makes no sense. Today's only options are xis, me, or NL. Cheery wanted to NL and instead votes mhork? Makes no sense.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, I voted xis a while back and never unvoted

[Jake from State Farm]

Ugh, I can't read your walls right now safety, what the fuck did you say in bullet form please?

[Jake from State Farm]

Way to overreact. I've had a busy day and was just checking in on my phone. I tried to read your first couple but I honestly had no idea what you were even trying to say.

I asked a favor, You want to be an asshole instead? I'll just be one too. Gonna do nothing else.

Vote stays on xis, no more posts from me til deadline. Im not announcing who I'm watching.

Peace

[Jake from State Farm]

Since you all are all chickenshit sitting on your asses, here I'll help the day progress.

vote: jake from State Farm

When I flip town, shoot xis tonight.

Looking back xis/cheery doesn't make sense so no idea who the partner is.

See you guys post game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Got massacred at work, prod-dodging till tomorrow AM (my time).

A quick note, the statement below appears to be fundamentally incompatible with Jal stating

he

has two railroads:

Safety, I have B&O railroad, so now I have 3, not 2. Remember?

He's referring to having more than 2 cards, not railroads.

[Jake from State Farm]

No discussion? Are you fucking insane? I've explained my case over and over.

We are in 1 v 1. There is no other fucking lynch today but me or xis. Anyone voting somebody that's not xis or myself needs to pick one. You stalling going over the cards is wasting time.

Xis lied about having a purple card (confirmed by Jal)
Xis claims to have a result on you but I say nobody visited you.
I claim I wasn't role blocked nor do I think we have one (already explained why )

I literally have nothing else to say unless you just want me to repeat myself

Now fuck off you fucking asshole. The next time someone asks you a favor, don't be a dickwad about it.

[Jake from State Farm]

No discussion? Are you fucking insane? I've explained my case over and over.

We are in 1 v 1. There is no other fucking lynch today but me or xis. Anyone voting somebody that's not xis or myself needs to pick one. You stalling going over the cards is wasting time.

Xis lied about having a purple card (confirmed by Jal)
Xis claims to have a result on you but I say nobody visited you.
I claim I wasn't role blocked nor do I think we have one (already explained why )

I literally have nothing else to say unless you just want me to repeat myself

Now fuck off you fucking asshole. The next time someone asks you a favor, don't be a dickwad about it.

Since Sunday Night and between the self-vote, the only thing you've commented on is that you're on your phone and want bullet points because you're too lazy in that time period (2 days) to actually post something.

Again, you refuse to read. It was Jal who mentioned the card, I asked her a question and both LM and Xis have made a comment sense about them. Please, do yourself a favor and actually engage properly in this game.

Again, repeating myself, your self-vote just looks exceedingly derpy.

Instead of getting all lizard-brain, try to emphasise with the rest of town. We have to try and figure out between you two. You're both not really doing each other favors and I think you're more than likely wrong about their being a manipulator in the game.

Otherwise you should be lynching me for supposedly lying about Mehdi. Which I know I haven't and no one seems to disagree there.

Yes, the missing card day three that suddenly Xis is now claiming does need to be looked at, it's been mentioned several times.

first of all I never said I was lazy, that's your assumption and you assumed wrong. Having a long day and asking for some assistance isn't being lazy, it's being tired.

After your inappropriate response I made the executive decision to not read your posts. Obviously they were not important enough to you so they certainly weren't important enough for me.

I've also explained why I don't think we have a RB or any other type of manipulative role cause if we did, all of us PRs (assuming we are all town) would be dead.

Jal and myself were not watched N2 - either one of us could have been dead
Cheery and myself were not watched N3 - either one of us could have been dead

instead they kill people not being watched and not a PR and who could have easily been mislynched.

if I am wrong, you all can yell at me post game but from my point of view Xis is confirmed scum and we are in a 1 v 1.

[Jake from State Farm]

not going to replace out.

lynch me, when i flip town shoot xis

or save time and just lynch xis

Vote: xis

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, which happens first the chicken(watcher) or the egg (redirector/bus driver)?

In my opinion since watcher isn't interactive watcher should see a re-director type role.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, which happens first the chicken(watcher) or the egg (redirector/bus driver)?

In my opinion since watcher isn't interactive watcher should see a re-director type role.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod please confirm if safety replaced in during night phase or after the day started

[Jake from State Farm]

well the post indicates he came in after the day started, but since you added (Night phase) that helps.

Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

If you think I'm scum (you are voting me) why did you have such objection to my self vote? Why were you "glad" my self vote was gone?

Dat be a scumslip...

I still don't think we have a manipulative role but anythings possible.

[Jake from State Farm]

You just scum slipped.

If you honestly thought I was scum you would not be glad I unvoted. Your reactions indicate you know I'm town.

Xis/safety works.

[Jake from State Farm]

If I'm scum, you would also not chastise me to "play properly" either

[Jake from State Farm]

I got this game in the bag now. Awesome

[Jake from State Farm]

mod I think you missed my previous question. If a tracker tracks a watcher will he get a result or will he not see anything?

[Jake from State Farm]

here is another piece of damning evidence from Xis.

post 674 - Jal points out Lurker's role claim slip
post 684 - Xis posts a huge wall and at the end of it he says his next post will discuss the watcher/tracker issue
post 804/805 - this is xis's next post. no mention of lurker's slip, no vote on lurker
post 883 - says he would rather lynch lurker but doesn't. Still no mention of the slip by lurker
post 884 - still no mention of anything


He basically ignores the entire slip and he was never on the final xis wagon.

If you look at his original vote of lurker he doesn't vote him for something he says or does, he votes him to see where the wagon will go.

post 289 - almost looks like coaching from XIS when he tells him that pro-town content is the only thing to save him.
post 372 (his next in game post) he unvotes lurker while quote his watcher claim and starts looking at lurker's wagon. (so much for the pro-town content I guess)


looking through his iso I can't even find evidence that he finds lurker scummy at all, the closest thing is that he says something about not wanting to lynch a claimed PR unless they are overly scummy but unless I missed it he doesn't flat out call him scummy OR call him scum.

baby I think is the ONLY person who called Xis out for his votes and checking baby was the mafia kill.

unvote

so after thinking sadly I think that NL may be the best bet. mylo sucks and as long as Jal doesn't shoot tonight we should be 3 town vs 2 scum and we eliminate one more question mark.

as for night actions

Cheery - track xis
jal - shoot nobody
xis - cop mhork
safety - watch jal, track jal
me - watch safety

or something like that

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't have those pm's anymore but I don't think I got a card day 2

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm still certain but I can't lynch him on my own.

Nobody else will vote xis

[Jake from State Farm]

That's silly. Your self vote alone warrants a response to the situation. You say that safety/xis is the team? So we gotta get Cheery and Jal...

@Cheery and Jal:

Is there any way you could be persuaded to join the xis wagon?

You aren't reading very well.

Originally I thought it was xis/cheery
After re-reading cheery doesn't make sense but safety does
The self vote is due to the fact that one of us should be lynched, I'm perfectly happy being lynched if that means Jal shoots xis.

At least safety was willing to pick a side, nobody else is. Vote me or xis. Pick or stfu

[Jake from State Farm]

How the hell do you not have those pms anymore?

Do you know which card you got D1 you think?

I was cleaning out my inbox and accidentally deleted some PMs.

D1 I got my Baltic card (watcher) and my Pennsylvania railroad card

[Jake from State Farm]

Just checked the VC, I guess mhork is voting xis already. Jal/cheery vote xis please

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah I realize you had your vote on xis when I posted that.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am still waiting for the mod to answer my question so until then i will

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

as sure as I am about xis, sadly I agree with mylo NL is the best idea

Vote: NL

[Jake from State Farm]

Interesting point. What do you learn if he dies?

That Jal/safety are confirmed town and we definitely have a manipulative role

[Jake from State Farm]

@ cheery actually the scum team would be you/mhork cause I'm town yo

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm still 90% certain it's xis/safety but mhork definitely gives me pause.

Also should someone watch cheery or Jal?

[Jake from State Farm]

If I'm scum, you would also not chastise me to "play properly" either

Because there's no logical reason for someone town to want others to "play properly"? Right...

Prod dodge post, I've read up to Jake's derpiness at end of page 97. Will have to read rest later

If you think I'm scum, you wouldn't care. You would just use my derpiness to lynch me as examples why I must be scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

which question did mhork ask that i'm supposed to answer Jal?

[Jake from State Farm]

You didn't make a case on me to begin with. You voted me solely based off the vote count which in itself is wifom cause you could be the scum off the wagon and you are trying to set me up. You were questioning xis than all of a sudden switched it up and voted me.

The whole "2 scum and the SK on the wagon" is lame because the SK has no bearing at all. Also xis was on the wagon early and it was for a BS reason, it wasn't even because he suspected lurker but because he wanted to see where the wagon was going. If cheery was scum, I already pointed out earlier that SC had no reason to vote lurker other than blatant sheeping. If SC thought that lurker was getting lynched he absolutely would bus for town cred. That's what experienced players do.

Also I'm not cherry picking what I'm reading, nice boldface lie there

[Jake from State Farm]

The benefit of the NL, is to potentially narrow the lynch pool by 1 assuming mafia will kill. It also makes it easier to decide on a lynch tomorrow. It also helps the PRs to potentially catch scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

No, being tired isn't selective reading you moron.

And from my point if view xis is scum, it's not wifom it's fact. You don't beleive it that's your problem.

There is no way there can be a manipulative role based on the NKs. Also if you are scum, then only 1 scum was on lurker.

[Jake from State Farm]

Please reference more than one mini-theme games with a 3-scum team where both partners were on a their partner in the first wagon of the day. One was on there, know that for sure but two?

Who's using WIFOM now...

like I explained earlier Xis's reason for lurker wasn't for any genuine suspicion, it was a blatant bandwagon vote. Xis's reactions about lurker were also kind of sketchy.

SC had no reason to be on the wagon either and an experienced player will risk being on the scum wagon cause almost everyone I know uses the "there must be 1 on and 1 off" logic which is flawed and full of wifom.

There is also a very good possibility you are scum based on the earlier interactions with robert trying hard to de-rail the lurker wagon, even using both of his votes on someone else.

[Jake from State Farm]

btw safety, I answered it in the thread

gee safety, how dare you cherry pick what you are reading, how dare you do that in mylo. if you are town you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Jake from State Farm]

jal - why did you maintan a town read on robert even though he was pushing your lynch day 1, especially given he stayed off the lurker wagon and your town read on that slot never seemed to waiver.

I would expect given the lurker flip you would suspect him somewhat but it doesn't look like you ever did.

also here's another interesting note.

night 1 there was a SK kill (knife) and a mafia kill (shot) and each subsequent night there has been only a single shot kill. The only one with cards who can kill is Jal

1. why would mafia not try to take out Jal when he went unwatched night 2?
2. how does a vig card and a SK card = full blown vig? I never fully understood this part.

the more I read the more confused I get smh

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm fairly sure all 3 of us with deed counters had actually answered it before safety asked the question.

that was sarcasm

[Jake from State Farm]

I just had a huge wall post I was about to post and my power went out. I'll try to repost it later but I'm pretty sure xis/safety is scum. I re-read the entire thread and xis's reactions to lurker and avoidance of his wagon after the slip is glaring. There's also a coaching moment I didn't originally catch.

Safety also commits 2 classic scum moves during the game. He's suspicious if Xis almost all game and never once votes him also when I call out safety's activity he immediately deflects attention to Xis and his activity.

vote: xis

P.edit - ill read those posts by safety in a minute. No more cold feet, my vote is firm.

The paranoia safety is trying to create by making us think there's a manipulative role when there is no evidence is also a scum tactic. There's an easy explanation to why his result on mehndi is what it is. He got a result and he lied to lynch mehndi.

[Jake from State Farm]

~Please keep insults out of the game~

Safety just insulted me. I demand a mod kill or force replace.

[Jake from State Farm]

specially with Jake's reluctance to get on it (preferring SC/CD)

this is a blatant mis-rep. i wasn't reluctant to get on the wagon at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

~Please keep insults out of the game~

Safety just insulted me. I demand a mod kill or force replace.

this is a serious request

[Jake from State Farm]

So for the record safety thinks I'm scum cause

1. I wasn't on the early lurker wagon (wifom)
2. My derpiness (adhom)
3. My result of nobody visiting him is evidence xis is lying but somehow that's wifom.

If we have conflicting reports and I know I'm town, that's not wifom.

Notice he was questioning xis earlier in the day but he still wants no part in his lynch. He's still suspicious of xis but would rather vote me for terrible reasons.

[Jake from State Farm]

My votes not changing so..

[Jake from State Farm]

The question is: Would Lurker immediately turn on a scum buddy like that or would a scum buddy react that way?

seriously?

1. that was rvs so most people will disregard it
2. have you ever heard of distancing?


also there was an interesting point brought up by guile before he died. Guile said if scum wanted to frame xis, the smart thing to do would be kill cheery. This was on a night when cheery wasn't going to be watched. Guile ended up being killed that night. Why not attack cheery?

nobody has ever provided an explanation to my question that I felt makes sense about why not kill Jal or myself the previous night when both were not watched.

the only way these kills make sense is if mafia is just plain dumb or they were trying to keep all the PRs alive. Now why would you try to keep all the PRs alive?


the only thing I can come up with is there is scum within the PRs and the ONLY one really making a big stink about there being a manipulator role is Safety yet Safety can't give a reasonable explanation as to why would scum leave all the PRs alive IF they had a manipulative role. If scum had a manipulative role they could easily pick off the PRs. That is what scum does when scum knows their is a doc and a cop. They RB one and kill the other. Having a manipulative role and leaving every PR alive means scum is in the PRs.

There is no way in hell that Xis got a cop result on safety unless I was blocked (which I wasn't) or he was redirected to someone else (which would implicate Safety being scum considering scum knew he was investigating safety)

based on ALL of that, Xis is scum because I do not believe there is a manipulator role. Xis lied about his result on Safety in an attempt to clear his buddy.

there it is in a nice little box with a cute bow. I won't get cold feet again, Xis is the appropriate lynch and in the off chance he flips town (99% doubt) shoot me.

or lynch me and shoot Xis

either way we aren't NL anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

~Please keep insults out of the game~

Safety just insulted me. I demand a mod kill or force replace.

Ha, you'd have to be taken down too. You've done nothing but badger and bully people all game, tunnel them hard and challenge, antagonise and more than likely trolling, alignment pending. You'd like a modkill wouldn't you? Cheap way to get your wincon though. And hey, even replaced out, its still you throwing your weight around daring anyone to have a contrary opinion to you or suspect you. Wonderful logic.

For someone who tries to be so infallible you're remarkably sensitive for whatever reasons. Personally, I have no problems with you, once this game finishes I'm more than capable of moving on, no voodoo dolls or anything. It's the internet ffs.

Pretty sure I haven't insulted you after the warning. If you cant respect the mods wishes then i take the cheap win and mod kill one of the scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

had a brain fart and I am not on my PC right now, cheery, what were your tracking results each night again?

[Jake from State Farm]

I can confirm no killing actions from Jake.
(and also to make him happy I guess - I didn't see anything from tracking him)

Found it finally.

So you saw me go nowhere but mod confirmed in thread that a tracker following a watcher would result in "no result"

mod I think you missed my previous question. If a tracker tracks a watcher will he get a result or will he not see anything?

~A "No result" type message~

You got some explaining to do son...

[Jake from State Farm]

To clarify from the mod back on day 2

~If tracker is roleblocked - a "no result" type message would occur~
~If tracked is roleblocked - a "didn't go anywhere" type message would occur~

No result isn't what you implied you got on me.

[Jake from State Farm]

"Didnt see anything" isn't "no result"

[Jake from State Farm]

All my results except night 1 were that I didn't observe anything (replacing the actual word)

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm interested to see how you talk your way out of this one.

[Jake from State Farm]

Nah you can explain why you're getting different results than safety for the same action.

I got the same message that I got with Mehdi night one for both my results night two and I can't have been blocked day one. So I think its safe to say the "didn't see anything" message is not the same as a no result message. Would be nice to know the difference though.

I didn't get different messages than safety WTF are you talking about?

this is what I said in post 2506

I didn't observe anything (replacing the actual word)

I omitted the word "see" because that would be a direct quote of my pm which is forbidden by rule 4

so NOW let's see you explain how you didn't get a "No result" message when that is what the mod said you should have gotten.

vote: cheery

scum found

[Jake from State Farm]

I have no idea what the mod is on then. He definitely gave me a result at the end of the night.

So either Mod wasn't actually paying attention to what he was answering, or

you

didn't actually action last night.

scum found indeed.
VOTE: Jake

Mod confirmed if you track me you should get

"NO RESULT"

and you claim you got a

"didn't see"

type result.

lol BUSTED, it's not mod error unless the mod wants to confirm in the game thread he made a mistake somewhere you are scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

You night 3, didn't see anything

mod I think you missed my previous question. If a tracker tracks a watcher will he get a result or will he not see anything?

~A "No result" type message~

the only one who is caught is you

ROFL I am so glad I was right about your slot. FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jake from State Farm]

Which therefore means you didn't actually target anyone, therefore giving me the correct result of me not seeing anything.
It also means you're faking having not seen Xis get his result on safety, since you therefore didn't target and you're scum looking for that 1v1 to get a lynch.

you are a little slow so let's spell it out for you.

mod already confirmed that watchers aren't seen by other watchers cause it's an observation role. Mod also said that trackers can't be seen my watchers because it's an observation role.

Mod has also confirmed that NO MATTER WHAT I DO, you get a no result but you claim you got a result on me WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE confirmed by the mod.

nice try cheery but I finally got you to slip.

[Jake from State Farm]

my role PM says nothing about requiring a monopoly and I DID action with my cards but what you don't comprehend is that mod has essentially confirmed that since my only ability is a watcher it's impossible for you to get anything other than a "NO RESULT" so you getting a result on me is a lie.

sorry cheery you lose - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

[Jake from State Farm]

you better hope the mod confirms "didn't see anything" is the same as "no result" because that's the only hail mary you have left

[Jake from State Farm]

Unless the mod is lying to me (or the thread), you're the one lying here.

well the burden of proof is on you because the mod clearly said you should have gotten a no result.

You better start asking mod questions in thread and hope he saves your ass cause right now all signs point to you being caught scum

[Jake from State Farm]

and lol at suggesting he lied to the thread

[Jake from State Farm]

the mod confirmed you are lying.

[Jake from State Farm]

this pretty much confirms you are lying

You night 3, didn't see anything

mod I think you missed my previous question. If a tracker tracks a watcher will he get a result or will he not see anything?

~A "No result" type message~

[Jake from State Farm]

I am a VT

[Jake from State Farm]

Therefore my point is in 2515 is valid and you not actioning means you weren't doing anything therefore I shouldn't have got a "no result" on your no action.

but I was actioning, one of my cards gives me the watcher ability. want proof that I watched Jal and saw you?

ALL of this was before Safety claimed to watch Jal also. I was freaking out cause I thought I caught you in a lie.

Your version of this is?

I didn't see anything.I didn't see anything.

Got with waterworks on UberNinja?

The other utility is also a tracker, I used it on UberNinja.

Really? You tracked UN?

And I had not read the game fully at that point and wasn't putting anyone at l-1. If I wasn't asked by mehndi I probably wouldn't have had an opinion on either at that time.

But SC's l-1 for no reason but sheeping definitely was odd, especially since it came right after I voted him. Bus makes sense because I could easily be accused of starting a counter.

I will say i too have some info but not sure what to do with it. Hopefully some discussion will help me figure it out if the info I have is helpful or not.

P.edit - huh?

Can we have that info now?

Hang tight

P. edit cool, you tracked UN and didn't visit anyone ekse right?

I'm not buying you can use 2 actions in 1 night

mod:, if a player has 2 cards with actions, can they use both in 1 night?

I've never in my life seen this happen. Usually it's 1 or the other

I saw you visit Jal, which is why I questioned you and immediately asked the mod about using 2 cards on 1 night.

so let's just say that you are busted and I am proven town now. Good job cheery it was a valiant effort.

I'm done with this back and forth cause I have proven you are caught.

[Jake from State Farm]

Safety claimed to watch jal 99 posts later.

[Jake from State Farm]

so like I said, you better ask the mod to confirm that "didn't see anything" is the same as "no result" as that is your only chance of not getting lynched,

I'm done with this game tonight, if when I wake up and you aren't at least at L-1 i'm going to be extremely disappointed.

[Jake from State Farm]

Seriously safety? His result on me is a direct contradiction to what the mod says. How Do you not understand?

[Jake from State Farm]

but I was actioning, one of my cards gives me the watcher ability. want proof that I watched Jal and saw you?

ALL of this was before Safety claimed to watch Jal also. I was freaking out cause I thought I caught you in a lie.

You having seen me visit Jal night 1 doesn't mean anything about your lack of an action last night.

So I used my action night 1 and decided to lie about last night? Hell no, I used my action every night. I followed the plan

Nobody visited safety which means xis result is false and your tracking result on me is false.

This comment you made about needing a monopoly, no idea where you got that from but it certainly doesn't say it in my role pm. Anyone else role pm says that?

[Jake from State Farm]

@ cheery, where exactly does your role pm mention needing a monopoly?

[Jake from State Farm]

So you beleive I can action but chose not to last night? smh

That makes no sense

[Jake from State Farm]

So I think xis is scum
Later say I don't think you can be scum with xis cause of xis's earlier vote on your slot
I later think safety is scum
I get the mod to answer my question but don't process the ramifications of his response at that time
And now when I finally do your only defense is I must be lying?

If my plan was to set you/xis up I would never have had to re-evaluate my reads. It's a valiant effort but give it up.

Oh wait - safety isn't thinking clearly and refuses to examine the evidence.

Fuck if safety is town he's being dense and IMO game throwing.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake considering I didn't pay attention to the mod contradicting what he sent me at the start of the day until how ever many posts that was after you brought it up, it's only become apparent that you're lying

so the mod contradicted your result and I am the one lying? how is does that work exactly?

As for reasons you didn't watch, I came up with one possibility by sleeping on it

I forgot to use my action? that's why my very post of the day I outed my info about nobody visiting safety. If I kept it to myself until AFTER xis posted than MAYBE you could be on to something but like a dumbass I outed my info right away. I used my action.

but seeing as I should therefore have seen you move I may have to discount it.

According to the mod who confirmed it in the thread you could not have seen me move, you would have only gotten a "no result" which you have said you didn't get.

your only hope is the mod saying "didn't see anything" is the same as "no result" but you don't have any interest in asking the mod cause you know the answer. You know you are painted into a corner.

[Jake from State Farm]

No, I never called safety conf.scum. I only called you/cheery conf.scum.

Nice try though

[Jake from State Farm]

can we get an updated vote count?

[Jake from State Farm]

Yay! I have Internet again! My V/LA is done and I will check over this thread after school.

[Jake from State Farm]

Safety RE: your last post

1. Do you think "didn't see anything" is the same as "no result"?

2. Idk what you meant by asking me if I know the actual wording. Of course I know the actual wording but if I said my result was, s f typed out word for word the actual result that would be directly quoting and is usually punishable by modkill. The word I replaced was "see" I used observed instead to avoid modkill.

3. Yes, my role PM says. Why are you confused by this?

4. Inconsistency how? Cause I accidently deleted some PMs? If you say so. I didnt say i deleted all of my PMs. I do have my night 2 result pm, thinking back I'm pretty sure I only got a night action pm. I remember the game starting and I didn't get a pm and I pm'd the mod and was told they were coming. I was also bummed I didn't get a card.


And I get you hate my playstyle, you don't need to remind me every time you post, you aren't going to change how I play. I'm town so everything I say is fact. If people chose not to listen to me, that's on them.

Mhork/Jal both had no comment regarding the contradiction and I do find that quite odd.

[Jake from State Farm]

I personally don't think the 2 are the same.

So from Cheery's pov I stayed home and didnt submit an action despite me claiming I did.

Xis claimed that he got a result on safety even though I claim nobody visited safety.

So our options

1. I lied to frame both of then (but me pushing on safety and saying I don't think xis/cheery are scum together don't really fit this scenario )
2. They are both lying to set me up which is fine by me cause if I get lynched Ill flip town and Jal shoots 1 and you lynch the other (assuming no manipulative role)

3. We actually do have a manipulative role of some sort.

A. Roleblocker? Doesn't work
B. re-director? If xis got redirected Cheery's result is still wrong. If cheery got redirected, xis's result is still wrong. If I got redirected, Cheery's result is still wrong
C. Bus driver? If I was bussed, cheer's result is still wrong. If safety was bussed, both xis's and cheer's results are wrong.
D. ???

Maybe there are other scenarios I'm missing but we got 3 days, and it's guaranteed one of me/cheery/xis are lying and it means one of these 3 are scum.

Want more time? NL but I really think we can figure it out in 3 days

[Jake from State Farm]

I dont thibk you understand Option 2.

option 2 means you/xis are both lying.

[Jake from State Farm]

Aka both of you are scum.

So lynch me please cause that means you are signing your own death warrant.

[Jake from State Farm]

fair enough I guess I did do that.

I'm extremely frustrated right now because I know I am town which means your there is no way you got a result on Safety unless there is a manipulator role, which I don't believe there is one.

Other things that frustrate me is that Mhork has managed to post 20 time elsewhere since his last post here, if he is town I am seriously pissed off at him but him avoiding the game really fucks with me.


@ safety - humor me please and look at your Night 1, night 2, and night 3 PMs 1 more time and tell me if your PMs said A. Didn't see anything B. Didn't go anywhere C. Didn't do anything. D. something else

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

I can easily ask the mod to resend the results to me if that will make you happy, I'm not using it as an excuse though because I ACTUALLY deleted PMs by accident. I don't really care if you believe me or not cause why on earth would I make up something like that.

mod can you please resend me all PMs from the start of day 2 until the start of day 3 please? Thanks

Thanks for answering my question btw, I just wanted to clear up something I saw earlier. The reason I asked was because in post 1002 you said mehndi did nothing. post 1021 you also say he didn't do anything. Didn't do anything to me was different than didn't see anything but that was the only 2 times you mentioned it. It just confused me

[Jake from State Farm]

Yay! I have Internet again! My V/LA is done and I will check over this thread after school.

My bad. Another V/LA unexpectedly happened right after I said that...

Also every time you say to lynch you, a little voice in my head says 'do it.' Why do you keep saying that?

a V/LA that allowed you to make 31 posts on site everywhere else but here right?

[Jake from State Farm]

mhork and Jal's play today is absolutely horrible and based on that alone I need to basically wipe the slate clean. Everyone is back to null for me and I really want to calm down and re-think things

unvote

@ safety - did you see the point I made about you saying "not doing anything" in those earlier posts? since you like to mention inconsistencies I feel like that is a small inconsistency.

mod I am not sure if you will answer this or not but is "did not see anything" different than "no result"?

in my next post I am going to try and work out these night actions a little bit.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok did I miss something? has Jal still not told us who he used his card counters on or am I missing that post? I know he claimed he told us but I don't see the post.

Given what the mod confirmed about not being able to use their card and kill in the same night we can narrow down the Night 1 kill to 3 people. Jal/Xis/Mhork. One of those 3 are scum.

Night 2 and 3 could really be anyone.


There is 1 little issue I have with Jal's claim about the monopoly. Why would a vig card and a SK card = a player becoming a full time vig? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Also look at the vanilla role PM from the OP. It says that your power comes from the cards. I really have trouble believing that when you get a monopoly your role just changes. Another thing I found odd is why did Jal just not come out and say who had the card that he supposedly investigated for?

Jal and Xis have to use their deed counters tonight and I feel like they both should be tracked so we can at least confirm they went somewhere and if they are scum it prevents them from making the kill.
I will self watch and watch safety
Safety can watch cheery
Jal doesn't shoot tonight
mhork can be left alone I guess.

thoughts on this?

[Jake from State Farm]

I had 2 semi- town reads and they decided to flake in mylo which is no bueno.

Xis's cop result on Jal means nothing unless we know if xis is legit. Xis didn't visit safety like he claimed, unless he was somehow redirected.

I see you have no defense for you lying. Lying ever is no bueno, especially when we are in mylo.

All I'm doing is pointing out things to generate discussion.

Is it wrong to want to discuss jal's monopoly claim?
Is it wrong to point out things I find inconsistent (your "v/la" or the difference of wording from safety)?

This doesn't mean I want everyone lynched, but it does mean I want discussion. You have provided no real discussion all game and if you are town ill probably avoid playing with you in the future. Jal's disappearance from today is also weird.

Sad to say but nobody is 100% cleared.

I'm not worried about your town read on me, cause at least I'm here trying to find scum. I can honestly say you haven't tried to find scum today, and really all game.

So if you don't what to discuss things before deadline, then I have to doubt you are town.

There is no excuse for lurking in mylo

[Jake from State Farm]

It's a 100% fact one of you/xis/Jal is scum based on the mod saying scum can't kill and use a card.

Obviously if you are town mhork one of Jal/xis is scum. Which one do you think and why?

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't beleive that at all. I beleive most cards were randomized but the SK was given the card from the beginning. Making a kill less SK and "hopes" he gets the card randomly distributed to him I don't beleive.

And yes, I'm nitpicking cause "didnt do anything" is COMPLETELY different to "didnt see anything"

[Jake from State Farm]

So nobody has qualms with 1 card being knife kill and the other being a shot but together they make full vig?

Ignore the cop result, ignore the catching of the slip.

Does that card part make sense?

The SK just has to hope he got a kill card?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well I see a cloud, someone else sees a dog and another sees a message from a god.

Believe what you want.

So basically you have no logical explanation for your change of wording.

[Jake from State Farm]

So what's the other card that was redistributed at the start of day 2 then?

the SK would have had a seperate kill, unless you think Jal has become an SK now :/

Idk what to think. I'm trying to have a discussion but everyone keeps telling me to basicàlly shut up.

You guys don't want to discuss anything? Well that's you guys throwing the game away, not me.

Do I think it's possible Jal could be scum? Yes I do

[Jake from State Farm]

Except when I got the didn't see anything message he couldn't have done anything because I wasn't blocked.

Which is the same message, I and others, have been claiming received.

So you have no logical basis either

What was that word you accused me of?

INCONSISTENCY. Your wording change fits the bill

[Jake from State Farm]

Since nobody wants to discuss anything.

vote: NL

See you guys day 5

Whoever is town, I'm disappointed in your play today. Discussion is key yet nobody wanted to have any.

[Jake from State Farm]

But what you're currently saying is that MonkeyMan lied about which card he picked up at the start of day 2, got a serial killer alignment from that card he apparently had at the start and claimed it fruitlessly in an attempt to avoid the lynch, and it when to Jal-scum who proceeded to claim a lie about his role now being a full vig for no reason.
Boardwalk also passed through TheBrawlGuy's hands, what do you think it was then?

consider yourself lucky I'm rarely a man of my word and I didn't just stay away like I really want to.

now on to your post, monkey was at L-1 when he claimed his card, how on earth could that be considered fruitless? he claimed to save his arse and he did what almost every SK in the history of mafia does to save their ass, they claim vig. Which also makes me wonder, why Jal was not

If Jal is scum, why would he not make up a lie about what the 2 cards do together? Everyone thinks Jal is town so basically anything Jal says would be considered near fact.

idk if Jal is scum or not, I really don't, but I think the "swingy and bastard" type aspects of this game could have been to assign the SK a killing card from the get go. Possibly assigning mafia the other killing card?

Do you think that the SK's killing ability comes from the card but mafia can kill without one? I don't think so but nobody wants to discuss it.

my gut says the killing abilities come from the cards, no card no killing. But I sit alone in the corner wearing my tinfoil hat talking to myself.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jal isn't conf.town sorry to say.

@ cheery - so you beleive the SK was being truthful when he said he got the card to start day 2? That would mean baby and UN killed each other which is highly unlikely as UN would have probably killed Jal.

If you beleive the word of monkey, you have to beleive the word of lurker and his card was 1 shot like he claimed...

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not trying to force anything, I guess you can have whatever opinion you want.

No I don't think brawl had the card, I think monkey had it the entire time.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh yeah. Idk really. There's no way to tell either.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod I am not sure if you will answer this or not but is "did not see anything" different than "no result"?

No comment

ok thanks.

also can you please resend all PMs you sent me from the end of night 1 to the beginning of day 3?

Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

@ safety

I guess I forgot about the mod confirming the card so that does make things a little more weird so I will drop it I guess.

And with regards to nobody getting 2 cards in 1 night, if that's true than I guess you do have a point there as well.

as for Jal, I don't trust anyone at this point in the game. Especially people who decide to lurk their way through mylo. I never believed the "upgraded vig" claim but I am skeptical by nature.

The only things I know for a fact are

1. I am town
2. Xis didn't visit you

my huge hangs are these

1. every game I have ever played in or modded "no result: is exactly what you get if you are blocked or in this case tracking somebody who is untrackable like a watcher

2. mod said tracker should get a report similar to "didn't go anywhere" which makes sense and is comparable to every game I have ever been in. The fact that 2 of your posts seem to confirm this and all of your others seem to contradict it leaves me with a weird feeling.

3. Cheery's result on me should have been "no result" not "didn't see anything"

4. Why would lurker tell the truth about EVERYTHING else but lie about what his actual ability was? If his card said tracker, why would he lie and say watcher? 1 shot tracker would also create the same concern and people would back off.


NL is the best scenario . Jal needs to NK.

everyone who has a deed counter card needs to use one. I have no idea who you guys should track or who you should watch. I have no idea who I am going to watch but I do know I am not telling anyone who I will watch. It will probably be one of Jal or you but I could change during night phase.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ummmmm.....Did I accidentlly edit a post I had made earlier? Because I know I didn't submit that message when it says I did...

The site clock messed up

[Jake from State Farm]

Well idk who you got an innocent on cause it wasn't safety

[Jake from State Farm]

Why does Jal need to NK

NK= no kill

[Jake from State Farm]

it doesn't matter if people vote or not, day ends in a NL if there is no majority.

I'm quote annoyed at both Mhork and Jal their inactivity today is inexcusable and if either are town.

I have asked the mod TWICE now to re-send me my PMs and he hasn't.

mod can you please resend any game related PMs you sent me from the end of night 1 til the beginning of day 3 please, also can you please prod Jal

thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

Everyone shoukd use their deed counters so whoever you and safety track can be verified. I'd suggest you track people with deed counters.

[Jake from State Farm]

I still don't know who Jal used her card counter cards on...

[Jake from State Farm]

I watched safety, nobody visited him

[Jake from State Farm]

I also got 2 cards.

Reading railroad and since I have 2 I have the ability to search deeds

I also have Vermont - deed counter card

[Jake from State Farm]

I agree with the xis vote, but not doing anything right now. Let's see what Safety and Cheery have to say

[Jake from State Farm]

no my self watch didn't pick up

[Jake from State Farm]

So far we have

Me watch safety - DSA
Xis copped mhork and got guilty and card counted Jal
Cheery tracked Xis and DSA and also he card counted me I guess.
Safety - ?
Mhork - has nothing to do


Cards

ME - got reading railroad & Vermont
Mhork - got boardwalk
Xis -
Cheery -
Safety -

ok while we wait for Safety, who got what for cards?

[Jake from State Farm]

oh so what jal said wasn't true, I knew was right doubting that claim, but what I don't get is why did she say it if she is town.

I also hope Jal is reading this because what she did yesterday by lurking is completely unacceptable. Essentially cost town valuable information.

[Jake from State Farm]

Night One killer is now reduced to out of Jake, Xis and Mhork since I've got a confirmed action on CD going

actually it's Xis or Mhork cause while I didn't out right come out and claim cheery visited Jal, you can tell by my reaction when cheery said he visited someone else first that I knew he was lying.

I want mhork lynched and I don't even care what his alignment is. If he is town he is yet another example of the kind of player making mafiascum a difficult place to play.

[Jake from State Farm]

so how do you wrap your head around xis getting a result on Safety yesterday when he didn't visit him? did he pull that result out of his ass?

[Jake from State Farm]

Wow, Cheery. Way to confirm yourself. The team is totally Cheery/xis now. Lemme ask you, cheery, first of all what do you make of the fact that I got the Vig shot? Second, how can you possibly believe that I'm scum over xis, who is BSing and bending over backwards trying to look obv town. He had a guilty on me, supposedly. A guilty. Yet instead he chose to wait of the town to say something about it. Explain that. How does that look town?

Inb4 stupid townie quickhammer.

Pretty sure he claimed guilty on you in his first post of the day, the capital G next to your name would be the clue on that one.

I'm probably gonna vote xis so if you get hammered its gonna be from safety

[Jake from State Farm]

you don't policy lynch in lylo.

[Jake from State Farm]

I thought it was pretty obvious by the way it sounded. "not caring what his alignment" is always a policy lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

you already know why I am going to vote Xis, it's the same reasons for yesterday. Nothing has changed.

[Jake from State Farm]

Lack of counter claim doesn't mean anything.

2 watchers /2 trackers and a vig is plenty of power

[Jake from State Farm]

See guys, you have to ignore everything said in lylo cause that's when people tried their hardest.

My gut still says safety/cheery and we have a manipulator and xis is town.

But the evidence doesn't support that. The evidence supports xis is scum. No idea who the partner is though, probably cheery. Can't be safety cause the day would be over.

Vote coming possibly tomorrow, I want to re-read again but pretty sure gonna vote xis and cross my fingers.

[Jake from State Farm]

Vote xis

while mhork's play has been pretty bad, the evidence suggests that Xis is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

let me guess, my original thought of you and safety was right?

[Jake from State Farm]

This game annoyed me to no end.

I can't wait to hear the setup

[Jake from State Farm]

Get back here cheery

[Jake from State Farm]

yes I was completely serious. In my mind scum was either Safety/Cheery or you/cheery. I had no evidence to suggest mhork was scum other than his bad play. scum was cheery/mhork then I was really duped.

p- edit: lots of it, that I had covered over and over again. I'm not re-hashing it now

[Jake from State Farm]

Your investigation choices
Your lurking
Your avoidance of the lurker lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

I looked at the entire body of work. I knew cheery was scum too but not a single person showed any interest in lynching him. I didn't really have a choice

[Jake from State Farm]

fucking jake

you really want to say shit after your play? lol

I made a decision based on the info available to be. Sue me

[Jake from State Farm]

ok, like I said I made a mistake. Those do happen from time to time you know.

[Jake from State Farm]

So I'm kinda disappointed in SC, I didn't expect him to quit under suspicion. I really wish more people was suspicious cheery. I knew he was scum but just couldn't convince anyone to lynch him. Nice trick by bussing him in lylo. Scum seems to be taking more risks now

[Jake from State Farm]

I always enjoy a gnr game but I didn't like this setup as much.

Thanks mod and everyone else.

Later

[Jake from State Farm]

This is when you received the card. So you did have it when we were discussing, who had it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Deleting a pm and asking for the mod to resend it is completely different than forgetting to tell people you had a card and tried to put the blame on the dead guy who couldn't defend himself.

[Jake from State Farm]

it certainly hurt your credibility but it wasn't a major factor in my decision.

[Jake from State Farm]

Had Jal not lurked that last day phase I'd probably not excused mhork's. I only had 1 solid piece of evidence on mhork but didn't give it enough weight. I'm mad at myself now

[Jake from State Farm]

When you choose wrong in LYLO you man up and take responsibility.

you have great reading comprehension cause I already did took responsibility for the loss. I am allowed to bitch at the people want to basically throw the game away by lurking their ass off during the most important part of the game. Just cause you were the most obv town doesn't give you the right to stop contributing.

[Jake from State Farm]

*did take

[Jake from State Farm]

Shameless plug, I need a replacement for my game. Can someone hook me up?